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Monday, September 19, 2022

Facing twin counteroffensives and major territorial setbacks in south and northeast Ukraine, the Russian military has increased its targeting of civilian infrastructure in an attempt to undermine Ukrainian morale, the United Kingdom's defense ministry said in an intelligence update over the weekend.

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...Why it matters: Ukraine's pushes into Kherson and Kharkiv Oblasts have reshaped the battlefield, and marginal but vocal Russian pro-war activists and bloggers are beginning to challenge the Kremlin's official narrative about the war, NBC News reports.

- - - Their break suggests morale around the invasion is slipping and that the Kremlin's dominant control of information pertaining to its so-called "special operation" may be fraying.

What they're saying: "The special military operation has completely failed," Igor Girkin, a Russian army veteran who commanded pro-Russian separatist forces in the Donbas region in 2014, said last Monday in a video uploaded on Telegram, a messaging service.

- - - "Since March, we have had a full-fledged war. But until now, Russian authorities, the defense ministry, and general staff have behaved as if there's no war," Girkin added....



#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-09-18 03:20 PM | Reply

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Putin's new Ukraine problem: Even the war's biggest supporters are growing dissatisfied
www.nbcnews.com

...Russian President Vladimir Putin has a problem.

For more than two decades now, Putin's expanding grip on power has been predicated on his portrayed strength and justified as essential to Russia's existence. Over time, as the political opposition and the independent media were gradually whittled away, Kremlin propagandists fostered a sense of inevitability underpinning his continued stewardship.

From the start, Putin's invasion of Ukraine has been presented to the Russian public " and the country's political elite " in very similar terms: This war was necessary to secure Russia's future existence, it was well-planned and executed, and it will be won. And with near-total control over the information space at home, there has been very little chance for these narratives to be challenged.

All of that has changed over the past week.

Ukraine has conducted twin counteroffensives to retake territories occupied by Russia " and achieved success that appeared to stun outside observers as well as the Kremlin.

The scale of the Russian military's and political leadership's setbacks in Ukraine have become too vast for even state media and pro-war activists to ignore....


#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-09-18 03:22 PM | Reply

Well, long as there is no little Ukrainian girl running down the street naked after having her clothes napalmed off, there is no precedent being set.

Business as usual.

#3 | Posted by fresno500 at 2022-09-19 06:09 PM | Reply

You know who really wishes Putin would stop doing this?

Russians living near the Ukrainian border.

#4 | Posted by Tor at 2022-09-19 07:52 PM | Reply

I think the Ukrainians wish it more.

#5 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-09-19 10:39 PM | Reply

I think the Ukrainians wish it more.

#5 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER

But we all know Putin doesn't care at all about the Ukrainians. He MIGHT actually care JUST A LITTLE BIT about Russians he is putting into harms way.

#6 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2022-09-20 06:48 AM | Reply

"You know who really wishes Putin would stop doing this?"

Just the entire civilized world. Russia's targeting civillians, mass graves and torture chambers are making Russians the most hated people in the world. Russia is a nation of cowards afraid to stand up to Putin

#7 | Posted by danni at 2022-09-20 07:02 AM | Reply

Putin the war criminal just doing more war crimes.

His name is --- in the free world now. Any hope he had of ever being respected on the world stage is gone.

trampy will still love him long time though.

#8 | Posted by Nixon at 2022-09-20 08:20 AM | Reply

He MIGHT actually care JUST A LITTLE BIT about Russians

Fascists don't care about the little people. How many of the rubes trampy sent on a mission that ended in jail time does he actually care about? Zero. Fascist narcissists care only about themselves and their power.

#9 | Posted by Nixon at 2022-09-20 08:22 AM | Reply

If Putin cared about the 'little people' fighting in his war,
he would have brought home the bodies of the Russian dead who
fought for him in the war.

But he doesn't. He cares more about the propaganda that
'there are no casualties', that 'there are no losses' than
for the misled soldiers who died for him and his corrupt
regime.

America cares about its war dead. Putin just leaves them
to rot in a roadside ditch...

Right Effete?

#10 | Posted by earthmuse at 2022-09-20 11:44 AM | Reply

I don't know. I do know the Russians behind the lines in the Donbass are pushing urgently for referenda to be annexed by Russia because they are terrified of being slaughtered by the Ukies if they break through.

The real genocidal maniacs are likely the Ukrainian's if they get the chance.

If Russia annexes the Donbass it will be part of Russia proper.

That is far more protection for the locals there if Ukraine breaks through.

Nuclear umbrella protection.

#11 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-09-20 12:35 PM | Reply

The UN will never recognize it as part of Russia.

Right now the Donbass is in danger of falling not too long after Kherson.

#12 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2022-09-20 01:57 PM | Reply

Or not. The Russians won't let it go. I fear a nuclear flashpoint. Honestly is the Donbass worth nuclear war? Cause that's looking possible.

#13 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-09-20 03:54 PM | Reply

Honestly is the Donbass worth nuclear war?

#13 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER

Does Putin think that it is? Because, otherwise, won't be one.

#14 | Posted by Zed at 2022-09-20 04:09 PM | Reply

If Russia annexes the Donbass it will be part of Russia proper.

#11 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER

Anyone can engage in fictitious behavior at any time.

#15 | Posted by Zed at 2022-09-20 04:10 PM | Reply

The people who actually LIVE there want to rejoin Russia. They are the main combatants against the Ukrainian's in the Donbass.

Are their aspirations meaningless?

They fear genocidal reprisals if they are overrun by the Ukies,with good reason.

Do you think the Ukrainians will show mercy if they retake the Donbass after fighting the locals for almost nine years now?

I don't.

And I don't think NATO or the West will stop them if the do ethnically cleanse the Donbass either.

So I hope the Ukies fail in their attempts to retake the Donbass.

Innocent people will be massacred and the crime ignored by NATO if they do

#16 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-09-20 04:22 PM | Reply

- Innocent people will be massacred and the crime ignored

Which is what you have campaigned for here for months in regards to Putin's crimes in seizing territory in Ukraine.... that those crimes and massacres be ignored.

#17 | Posted by Corky at 2022-09-20 04:26 PM | Reply

He was stopping crimes being committed against Russians in Ukraine.

Duh. How can you be so back assward?

#18 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-09-20 04:34 PM | Reply

Duh. How can you be so back assward?

#18 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER

How can you be such a bad liar?

You'd think the training you got would do you better.

#19 | Posted by Zed at 2022-09-20 04:44 PM | Reply

Russian Generals are losing so badly repugs want to start erecting statues of them in the south.

#20 | Posted by Reinheitsgebot at 2022-09-20 04:49 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

#18

He was using the ongoing local conflict within Ukraine as an excuse to TAKE ANOTHER COUNTRY"S TERRITORY.

Your idea of Vlad as the humanitarian who was forced to invade, and keep, part of another country... is just plain silly.

Consider that he had to LIE about Nazis running the Ukraine just to make the mob-like takeover even remotely realistic to his own people.

But large numbers of his own people have family and friends in Ukraine and they know that's a lie.

Unlike yourself, for instance.

#21 | Posted by Corky at 2022-09-20 06:33 PM | Reply

Maybe you're wrong and it's not a lie. Ever think of that Einstein? Our leaders lie too.

How do you know you're right? What's the proof?

Ukrainian paramilitary units have been killing separatists in the Donbass for over eight years.

That's no lie. So what proof do you have that they weren't killihg them?

Come on show me.

#22 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-09-20 09:12 PM | Reply

- Maybe you're wrong and it's not a lie.

Experts all over the world have said the same thing... Nazis were about 2 percent of the vote, and did in no way control the Ukraine govt.

You've been given plenty of various links to these facts, and paid no attention to any of them.

As far as deaths in Donbass go, you've believed yet another lie from Putin:

"In conclusion, there was no "genocide" of the Donbass population by the Ukrainian army.

There was a war, provoked by Russia in violation not only of the territorial integrity of a sovereign state but also of the treaty it signed in Budapest in 1994.

Like all wars, there were casualties on both sides. Sadly, civilians also died. They were killed, again, by both sides.

To claim that all the 14,000 victims of the war in Donbass were "killed by the Ukrainians" is just primitive propaganda. Unfortunately, some in the West uncritically believe and propagate it."

mercatornet.com

#23 | Posted by Corky at 2022-09-21 12:57 AM | Reply

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Maybe you're wrong and it's not a lie. Ever think of that Einstein? Our leaders lie too.
Ukrainian paramilitary units have been killing separatists in the Donbass for over eight years.
#22 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-09-20

That's some "alternative facts" and alternate reality metaverse you and Putin are trying to paint. As much as Putin and his cronies and trolls keep trying to rewrite the history, it's not working any more than "Nazi Ukraine" or "Zio-Nazis" or turning Russian genocidal mercenaries in Donbas, Ukraine and elsewhere in former Soviet republics and Syria into victims of supposed genocide.

We get it - that's the only story you've got left but everyone outside Russia (and many inside) know the history. It's been well documented.

Putin and his henchmen pretty much gave the game away long time ago when they declared Ukraine as non-country and Ukrainians as non-people, just an extension of Russian empire.

How the trouble started

With its substantial Russian-speaking population, Donbas (Donetsk Basin) was a bedrock of support for Viktor Yanukovych, who became Ukraine's president in 2010 with the help of Vladimir Putin "meddling" in Ukrainian elections. Donetsk-born Yanukovych was funneling most of Ukraine's budget to oligarchs and Russian-speaking minority in Donbas. The last straw came in 2014 when - under pressure from Putin - Yanukovych made a decision to renege on signing a trade pact with the European Union, and he was ousted after protests, known as Maidan or Euromaidan, turned violent. Yanukovych fled to Russia.

While the new pro-Western government was forming in Kyiv, Putin sent unbadged masked troops - known as "Putin's little green men", operatives from the Special Operations Forces, Spetsnaz GRU units and Wagner Group contractors - to annex Crimea, Ukraine's lightly defended Black Sea peninsula. Backed by agents from Moscow, so-called "separatists" tried to emulate that success by taking control in cities across the eastern and southern regions of Ukraine. But this time there was strong resistance and an armed conflict developed in the Donbas. It's clear that many Russian speakers in the region wanted stronger ties with Russia, though not that they wanted to join it or fight. One of the first commanders of the separatist forces, Igor Girkin, aka Strelkov, was a Russian GRU intelligence officer who had been involved in Moscow's operation to seize Crimea. Girkin was dismissed as "Defense Minister of DPR " in August 2014, after 298 people died when Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 was shot down. In 2016 he formed the Russian National Movement, a political group in favor of "uniting the Russian Federation, Ukraine, Belarus, and other Russian lands into a single all-Russian state and transforming the entire territory of the former USSR into an unconditional zone of Russian influence." To that end, the Kremlin often uses tactic of organizing sham votes in "referendum" to approve of its annexation of the areas under its military control.

Why is Russia focused on Donbas?

Putin has made clear since at least 2007 that he doesn't accept eastern Europe's post-Soviet Union USA-aligned security architecture. He since tried to carve out a sphere of influence for Moscow in the former Soviet space, using military against efforts by Russia's neighbors to join or associate with the NATO or the European Union. He tried instead to build Russian-led equivalents " the Collective Security Treaty Organization and Eurasian Economic Union " but without Ukraine, a fellow Slav nation of about 41 million, they would amount to little. Putin saw control of Donetsk and Luhansk as a leverage to ensure Ukraine would remain within its orbit, but when that failed he invaded.
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#24 | Posted by CutiePie at 2022-09-21 03:39 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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