Advertisement

Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Monday, September 19, 2022

U.S. President Joe Biden said U.S forces would defend Taiwan in the event of a Chinese invasion, his most explicit statement on the issue ...

More

Comments

Admin's note: Participants in this discussion must follow the site's moderation policy. Profanity will be filtered. Abusive conduct is not allowed.

Biden: U.S. will defend Republic of China if it is invaded

President Winnie the Pooh: "Oh, bother!"

#1 | Posted by censored at 2022-09-18 10:34 PM | Reply

A line in the sand.

Or the straits, as the case may be.

#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-09-18 11:06 PM | Reply

Great. Another entanglement in foreign affairs.

When will we learn?? George Washington warned us about that too.

Democracies that try to become superpowers have never survived it.

#3 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-09-19 12:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Keeping the Chinese wondering is good tactics.

Dark Brandon tactics.

#4 | Posted by Corky at 2022-09-19 01:04 PM | Reply

Sounds like boots on the ground. Not just arms shipments a la Ukraine.

#5 | Posted by moder8 at 2022-09-19 01:10 PM | Reply

It is. The logistics are not like Ukraine's.

#6 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2022-09-19 01:12 PM | Reply

Keeping the Chinese wondering is good tactics.

Dark Brandon tactics.

I sure hope that is all it is and that is all it becomes.

#7 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-09-19 01:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#3 If you feel that way you should be against helping Ukraine. They are moochers. If they can't fight em' to victory they should gracefully accept defeat and partition.

They were killing their own people. The Serbs got partitioned by NATO for similar reasons and everybody said how righteous that was.

How is this different? The Russians are protecting percecuted people.

#8 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-09-19 01:23 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#8

So many Nazis, so little brains.

There's currently a lot more fascists in this country than there are in Ukraine.

#9 | Posted by Corky at 2022-09-19 01:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

You can't deny they were and are killing their own people. If the Serbs got partitioned for the same thing why not the Ukies too?

The Russians are only doing what NATO did to Serbia for similar reasons.

Russia hasn't annexed the Donbass. They only recognized independent republics. Like Kosovo was recognized by NATO after they bombed the Serbs into giving it up.

How is this different?

#10 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-09-19 01:47 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

"Those in the West who forge parallels between Putin's invasion of Ukraine and NATO's intervention against Serbia aspire to critique US military interventionism abroad and Western imperialism.

Instead, they parrot Putin's justifications for wars of empire-building. They contribute to revisionist history, dismiss the horrors of genocide and ethnic cleansing, and embolden international aggression and irredentist agendas " not just against Ukraine but other vulnerable European states.

Although Russia has used the Kosovo precedent to justify its interventions in Georgia in 2008 and Ukraine in 2014 and today, Russia's current invasion and NATO's Kosovo intervention in 1999 are polar opposites.

One may disapprove of US global militarism, but it is imperative to emphasize the difference between a limited, third-party intervention amid a state-sponsored campaign of ethnic cleansing " as was the case in Kosovo " and a calculated, full-on territorial invasion of a sovereign state for geopolitical purposes " as in Ukraine."

www.euractiv.com

Next question?

#11 | Posted by Corky at 2022-09-19 02:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Russia hasn't annexed the Donbass. They only recognized independent republics. Like Kosovo was recognized by NATO after they bombed the Serbs into giving it up.

How is this different?

#10 | Posted by Effeteposer

Did you not listen to your tyrant's speech about how ukraine wasnt really a country, it was really a part of russia, and russia was just taking it back as it should be?

#12 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-19 02:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Vladimir Putin formally annexed the Donetsk and Luhansk regions of Ukraine, after his regime had already occupied the areas since 2014, and similarly to the Crimea annexation, he has long co-opted the Kosovo precedent as his normative justification.

He has expanded his war against Ukraine, claiming to defend against Kyiv's "genocidal regime" and to "denazify" the country. In this ruthless venture driven by ego and hyper-nationalist aspirations, Putin once again cites the NATO bombing of Serbiia as precedent for his war of aggression against Ukraine, co-opting Western norms, legal standards, and humanitarian principles for his own geopolitical purposes, as he did with Crimea.

Putin, at the same time, refuses to recognize Kosovo's independence nor the human rights abuses that propelled NATO intervention, clearly showcasing the gaping holes and disingenuity within his justification."

from the above article

#13 | Posted by Corky at 2022-09-19 02:14 PM | Reply

I know he's a hypocritical bastard. I know he hasn't recognized Kosovo as independent.

The fact is the Ukraine war is a stupid overreach. Just like the NATO campaign against Serbia was a stupid overreach.

I still can't stand the Ukies. I still hope they lose and are are absorbed by the Russians.

Ukraine should become like Kurdistan. Divided between Poland and Russia. Like Kurdistan is between Iraq and Turkey.Their Master Race pretensions are nauseating. They Do have a Huge Nazi problem whether you guys want to admit it or not.

#14 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-09-19 06:16 PM | Reply

Democracies that try to become superpowers have never survived it.

If we were only a democracy..oh wait, we arent...

#15 | Posted by boaz at 2022-09-19 08:16 PM | Reply

- They Do have a Huge Nazi problem whether you guys want to admit it or not.

Only you and Vlad say that... and only you believe it.

- a democracy..oh wait, we arent...

So much stupid, so little time....

The United States is a representative democracy.
This means that our government is elected by citizens.
Here, citizens vote for their government officials.
These officials represent the citizens' ideas and concerns in government.
Voting is one way to participate in our democracy.
Citizens can also contact their officials when they want to support or change a law.

www.uscis.gov

America Is a Republic, Not a Democracy' Is a Dangerous"And Wrong"Argument

www.theatlantic.com

#16 | Posted by Corky at 2022-09-19 08:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

What's the deal with Taiwan and semiconductors?

#17 | Posted by Tor at 2022-09-19 08:53 PM | Reply

This means that our government is elected by citizens.

When you say "our government", you are talking about the national govt.

When I say "our government", I'm talking about the state.

That's the difference between you and me. That's the difference between a representative REPUBLIC and a democracy.

#18 | Posted by boaz at 2022-09-20 08:03 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

the difference between a representative REPUBLIC and a democracy.

#18 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Has always been a fascist abstraction so unreal as to be silly.

#19 | Posted by Zed at 2022-09-20 08:19 AM | Reply

#10 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER

Tell that to the Chechens.

#20 | Posted by dibblda at 2022-09-20 10:27 AM | Reply

So why are the Chechens so helpful for Russia now? They seem firmly in the Russian camp.

The best killers in Ukraine are Chechens. Why?

Stockholm syndrome?

#21 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-09-20 10:53 AM | Reply

"When I say "our government", I'm talking about the state."

Your state representatives and governor are not elected by the people?

Don't you just love being lectured about our form of government by maroons who are trying to destroy it?

History rule #1

We do not learn from history.

#22 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-09-20 11:00 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Ever notice how they derail every argument by bickering over the meaning of one word, like "democracy", to deflect from the substance of the argument? Anyone who has parented teenagers is familiar with that "debating tactic".

People like Boaz don't recognize the Constitution they have sworn to defend. They don't really like it. It's too "woke" for them. They want to go back to the Articles of Confederation, where the states were more like independent sovereign entities. Here's a clue: it didn't work. That's why they wrote the Constitution in the first place.

#23 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2022-09-20 01:11 PM | Reply

#21 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER

What was the Chechen war all about? The attack in the Russian Theatre?

I guess the Russians killed and pacified (liberated lol) all the freedom fighters and paid off the rest.

I don't expect an honest reply from you.

#24 | Posted by dibblda at 2022-09-20 01:19 PM | Reply

The Chechen wars were waged by both Boris Yeltsin and Vladimir Putin. The Chechens wanted independence from Russia. They killed numerous civilians in terrorist attacks throughout Russia. Yeltsin lost the first Chechen war and granted limited autonomy to the Chechens.

The terrorism continued,Putin took over and attacked them again. He beat them decisively and the war became a long terrorist insurgency that killed tens of thousands of civilians on both sides.

Putin stamped out the insurgency by leveling Grozny and killing the terrorists wherever they were found in Russia proper.

The war ended with a Russian victory, but Grozny was totally destroyed and the Chechen landscape became a mine infested wasteland of ecological disaster.

I don't know what to draw from these facts except to say the war in Ukraine should end now before it becomes far bloodier and more destructive then the Chechen wars were.

Putin won't back off. This will go to the limit.

I fear world war given the Western interests involved.

Only the Islamic culture and remote location prevented a similar catastrophe from happening in Chechnya.

The West considered it a Russian internal affair.

They would be wise to view Ukraine likewise in my opinion.

The alternative is world war.

#25 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-09-20 04:11 PM | Reply

#10 | Posted by Effeteposer

So the comparison between Serbia and Ukraine is an abysmal one at best. The Serbs started it. The Serbs were massacring people - in particular males from teens to 60s. Genocide is the term. The Serbs were targeting civilians and civilian infrastructure. The UN actually condemned the conflict - that required China and the USSR. Afterward in 2001 a United Nations administered Supreme Court, based in Kosovo, found that there had been "a systematic campaign of terror, including murders, rapes, arsons and severe maltreatments." Now replace Russians with Serbs and you can see where this is going.

#26 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2022-09-21 09:54 PM | Reply

Comments are closed for this entry.

Home | Breaking News | Comments | User Blogs | Stats | Back Page | RSS Feed | RSS Spec | DMCA Compliance | Privacy | Copyright 2022 World Readable

Drudge Retort