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Wednesday, September 21, 2022

A new film stars Viola Davis as the leader of the Agojie, the all-woman army of the African kingdom of Dahomey

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I highly doubt it will tell the truth totally about the brutality of this african nation.

#1 | Posted by boaz at 2022-09-20 04:15 PM | Reply

Boaz, congratulations on getting your SAG Card. Now you and Danforth are buddies!

#2 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-20 04:56 PM | Reply

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#3 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-20 04:57 PM | Reply

Africans were the primary merchants of African slavery.

Fact.

#4 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2022-09-20 05:36 PM | Reply

Yep. Fact is, without Africans selling other Africans, there would not have been a slavery.

And also, another fact, chattel slavery STILL exists in Africa, primarily with Islam.

But liberals keep the slavery outrage going with each generation.

#5 | Posted by boaz at 2022-09-20 05:41 PM | Reply

@#5 ... Fact is, without Africans selling other Africans, there would not have been a slavery. ...

You mean Americans buying Africans had nothing to do with promoting slavery here in the United States?

#6 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-09-20 05:43 PM | Reply

"Fact is, without Africans selling other Africans, there would not have been a slavery."

^
Supply Side Economics At Its Finest!

#7 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-20 05:51 PM | Reply

@#5 ... But liberals keep the slavery outrage going with each generation. ...

You think there is nothing wrong with Americans buying people for slavery?


#8 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-09-20 06:05 PM | Reply

But liberals keep the slavery outrage going with each generation.

#5 | POSTED BY BOAZ

You are a traitor who would have sided with the Confederacy.

#9 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2022-09-20 06:12 PM | Reply

Fun(?) fact: Steven Spielberg's movie Amistad bring up the fact that Africans enslaved Africans in Africa and sold them to white people.

#10 | Posted by Tor at 2022-09-20 06:12 PM | Reply

Every time it comes up -- which is every time -- I wonder what I'm supposed to do with the supposedly revelatory knowledge that Africans enslaved Africans in Africa.

I know it must be very important to the people who always say it. Because they say it. Every. Damn. Time.

So I'll bite. What is the importance?

#11 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-20 06:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-Steven Spielberg's movie Amistad bring up the fact that Africans enslaved Africans in Africa and sold them to white people.

correct. Great movie, BTW.

Of course, this doesn't exonerate the US for it's part in slavery. I can't imagine anybody would be suggesting that.

From where the US bought slaves doesn't matter. Once we engaged in the practice, especially after we formally became the USA, there are no excuses for the sins.

Watching this movie doesn't change that.

#12 | Posted by eberly at 2022-09-20 06:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I haven't decided how it plays into the horrors of slavery in America but slavery existed in the Colonies before America even existed.

#13 | Posted by Tor at 2022-09-20 06:36 PM | Reply

Americans were better at breeding their own slaves so they didn't have to import as much. Right, Thomas Jefferson?

#14 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-09-20 06:46 PM | Reply

I have no idea if that post was to me or what you even mean.

#15 | Posted by Tor at 2022-09-20 07:00 PM | Reply

So I'll bite. What is the importance?

#11 | Posted by snoofy

Why? Are you black?

#16 | Posted by boaz at 2022-09-20 08:11 PM | Reply

You think there is nothing wrong with Americans buying people for slavery?
#8 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

When? Today? For sure. I try not to practice "presentism". But you can if you want, but let me know when you complain about Irish slavery. I see this as your "throw the book at'em" selective outrage.

#17 | Posted by oneironaut at 2022-09-20 08:17 PM | Reply

From where the US bought slaves doesn't matter. Once we engaged in the practice, especially after we formally became the USA, there are no excuses for the sins. ~ Eberly

This to is "presentism" ... at the time they weren't considered "sins".

We can look back and say we can improve, but to go back in time and overlay our morals on theirs is a bit silly.

#18 | Posted by oneironaut at 2022-09-20 08:20 PM | Reply

So I'll bite. What is the importance?
#11 | Posted by snoofy
Why? Are you black?
#16 | POSTED BY BOAZ

I'm not black.
Is it only important to blacks?

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-20 08:49 PM | Reply

"This to is "presentism" ... at the time they weren't considered "sins"

Is Slavery Sin?
Ithaca American Citizen, January 23, 1861
www.historians.org

#20 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-20 08:51 PM | Reply

Is it only important to blacks?

Were your ancestors slaves as recently as 150 years ago?

#21 | Posted by boaz at 2022-09-20 09:56 PM | Reply

Brandon and his DOJ can't figure it out either.

#52 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

One of my ancestors died freeing slaves right here in America, so what is your point?

#22 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-09-20 10:04 PM | Reply

Your comment has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. So STFU.

I wont watch this stupid movie because it glorifies violence of blacks against blacks, a trait people like YOU dont care about. Those bitches sold my ancestors into slavery after killing many of them, severing heads and enslaving as they went along, taking villages and land along the way.

So no, they arent to be exalted by me. They were basically bush thugs just like the ghetto thugs of today. Without them, slavery either barely or doesnt happen. They sold their own people. ---- em..

#23 | Posted by boaz at 2022-09-20 10:08 PM | Reply

One of my ancestors died freeing slaves right here in America

Translation: Granny told me one of my ancestors was a semi-literate schlub from some Northern state who was conscripted into the Union Army.

He gave about as much of a ---- about "freeing the slaves" as the people of Martha's Vineyard give about illegal aliens.

#24 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2022-09-20 10:12 PM | Reply

Fire up "Birth of a Nation" and wet your sheets.

You stupid ----.

#25 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-09-21 02:00 AM | Reply

#25,

---- you.

I'd rather go with actual history, which bitches like you are trying to rewrite.

#26 | Posted by boaz at 2022-09-21 07:26 AM | Reply

Is it only important to blacks?
Were your ancestors slaves as recently as 150 years ago?
#21 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Probably not.
Relevance?

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-21 08:47 AM | Reply

"I wont watch this stupid movie because it glorifies violence of blacks against blacks, a trait people like YOU dont care about."

I keep asking why it's important that blacks sold blacks into slavery.

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-21 08:48 AM | Reply

Yet another thread where cowardly little boaz vomits out his hatred of Black people.

#29 | Posted by qcp at 2022-09-21 08:49 AM | Reply

Yep!

I'd rather go with actual history, which bitches like you are trying to rewrite.

LMAO! YOUR party is white-washing our history. YOUR party is passing laws so no white person is allowed to be offended. YOU posted this thread, to make who the ---- knows what point - and then said "I'm not going to watch this because it glorifies black-on-black violence!"

WTF?

#30 | Posted by YAV at 2022-09-21 09:25 AM | Reply

#26 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2022-09-21 07:26 AM | FLAG: IGNORANT BACKWOODS COUNTRY F#$@

#31 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-09-21 09:39 AM | Reply

I always contend that is was the post-slave period in America where white folks did most of the damage we're still trying to fix.
At least as a slave the rules and social implications were clear. It was when black folks were supposedly "free" yet brutally treated as 3rd class citizens when the psychological and societal damage occurred.

#32 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2022-09-21 10:24 AM | Reply

I always contend that is was the post-slave period in America where white folks did most of the damage we're still trying to fix.

#32 | POSTED BY TFDNIHILIST AT 2022-09-21 10:24 AM | FLAG:

Accurate. 1920s are often viewed as the most racist period in American history. Peak lynching. It took Hitler to make racism uncool.

#33 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2022-09-21 10:53 AM | Reply

and this story feels more Noble Savage Mythology than Historical Whitewashing. It was a slave empire that only declined when white Brits banned slavery.

#34 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2022-09-21 10:53 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I keep asking why it's important that blacks sold blacks into slavery.
#28 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

First profiteers.

Similar to complaining about logging, instead of building houses.

#35 | Posted by oneironaut at 2022-09-21 11:06 AM | Reply

I keep asking why it's important that blacks sold blacks into slavery.
#28 | POSTED BY SNOOFY
First profiteers.

What's the relevance of being the first profiteer being black?

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-21 11:09 AM | Reply

Questlove, from The Roots, can trace his lineage back to the last known African slave ship to come to the US. The enslaved people aboard were purchased in Dahomey.

The Clotilda, a schooner constructed in 1855 by shipbuilder William Foster. In 1860, prominent Mobile entrepreneur Timothy Meaher took Foster's ship to West Africa, on a bet that he could return with a haul of slaves. While slavery was still in practice, the trade of new slaves through the Atlantic Ocean had been outlawed in the U.S. since 1808.

Meaher loaded the ship with goods such as rice, beef, pork, sugar, bread, molasses, rum and gold, before departing for Benin (then known as Dahomey). While there, Meaher traded those goods. In return, Gates says, Meaher was able to choose 125 slaves from a selection of 4,000. Among that 125 was Questlove's third-great-grandfather, Charles Lewis.

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#37 | Posted by qcp at 2022-09-21 11:15 AM | Reply

I keep asking why it's important that blacks sold blacks into slavery.

Because liberal whites are telling generation after generation of blacks the outrage of slavery as if it happened yesterday.

#38 | Posted by boaz at 2022-09-21 11:23 AM | Reply

Q: I keep asking why it's important that blacks sold blacks into slavery.

A: Because liberal whites are telling generation after generation of blacks the outrage of slavery as if it happened yesterday.

^
What's the connection between these two things?
Should the liberals limit their scorn to the blacks who sold blacks into slavery?

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-21 11:35 AM | Reply

If Boaz lived back then, he would have willingly sold himself into slavery and then called it "freedom" in order to ingratiate himself with his new masters.

#40 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2022-09-21 11:45 AM | Reply

BoJangles can't remember dogs being turned loose on school kids in the 50's.

#41 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-09-21 11:58 AM | Reply

What's the connection between these two things?
Should the liberals limit their scorn to the blacks who sold blacks into slavery?

"Liberals", mostly white, should mind their own business. The battle for equal rights was won long ago. We need to stop bringing up past transgressions that belong to no one alive today.

It's American blacks I'm talking to. Now hollywood liberals have a movie deifying the very people who sold us into slavery in the first place. All to often, liberal blacks are just glossing over this fact about their vaunted africans. They are creaming over the "strength" of these murderous women, celebrating their violence and killing, not knowing they are not talking about their ancestors, who were killed and taken into slavery. It would be like Jews creating a movie and celebrating the Nazi's for their "strength".

#42 | Posted by boaz at 2022-09-21 01:32 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

And BTW,

I read somewhere the last slave ship for the America's contained slaves caught and sold by these women. I could probably track someone directly related to me taken prisoner or hacked to death by these women.

Celebrate them? It's a hard pass for me.

#43 | Posted by boaz at 2022-09-21 01:37 PM | Reply

"Liberals", mostly white, should mind their own business."

If they did that, you'd still be a slave.

#44 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-21 01:45 PM | Reply

Everytime BoJangles says "liberal" a Klan member gets a new hood.

#45 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-09-21 01:55 PM | Reply

I thought this thread was going to be about Georgia before I clicked on it.

#46 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-09-21 02:11 PM | Reply

I could probably track someone directly related to me taken prisoner or hacked to death by these women.
Celebrate them? It's a hard pass for me.
#43 | POSTED BY BOAZ

But.. didn't they civilize you, uplift you, by taking your ancestors out of backwards Africa and providing you with the privilege of existing within White Dominant Culture?

#47 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-21 02:44 PM | Reply

Ever notice how intertwined the history of Slavery and Russia is?

#48 | Posted by Tor at 2022-09-21 02:46 PM | Reply

"and this story feels more Noble Savage Mythology than Historical Whitewashing."

That trailer certainly makes it look that way. But... it's really hard to judge a movie based on a trailer, because movie trailers have often been grossly misleading for marketing purposes. I would wait to read non-promotional reviews to see if there's any real nuance in the film or if it's garbage like the recent "Mulan" remake before even considering watching it or completely dismissing it.

"It was a slave empire that only declined when white Brits banned slavery."

Yup. Brutal empires and slavery have ebbed and flowed everywhere on this planet, and the white European ones weren't any more "evil" than the other ones, as the trailer for this movie implies.

Contexts we were never taught in school:

Slaves brought to the United States accounted for less than 5% of the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade.
The Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade was dwarfed by the Arab/Muslim transcontinental slave trades. Western and Central Asian cultures had a much more voracious appetite for slaves.

#49 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-09-21 02:49 PM | Reply

Western *Asian

#50 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-09-21 02:50 PM | Reply

Hey Sentinel. Hey Boaz. Hey Snoofy. Hey Yav. S'up?

#51 | Posted by Karabekian at 2022-09-21 02:52 PM | Reply

The battle for equal rights was won long ago.
#42 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Then why are Blacks still so much poorer than Whites?
You've never even tried to answer that question, Boaz.
You never even tried.

#52 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-21 02:52 PM | Reply

Hey Sentinel. Hey Boaz. Hey Snoofy. Hey Yav. S'up?
#51 | POSTED BY KARABEKIAN

Same Racist ----, Different Racist Day!

#53 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-21 02:53 PM | Reply

Ah, man! It's like Days of Our Lives! You can not tune in for months at a time, and never feel like you've missed thing when you come back!

#54 | Posted by Karabekian at 2022-09-21 03:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Russians have made it impossible to enjoy ------- all over a bs filled film like this.

#55 | Posted by Tor at 2022-09-21 03:00 PM | Reply

Strong black women?

No wonder Boaz hates this movie.

No mention of how women shouldn't be allowed to called be kings?

Someone's slipping on their troll game.

#56 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-09-21 03:09 PM | Reply

If booze wasn't a russian and was in fact who he claimed to be he'd be happy about this movie.

#57 | Posted by Tor at 2022-09-21 03:12 PM | Reply

In answering the question, "How accurate is The Woman King?" we learned that in real life, the Dahomey are much more the villains than the heroes. The Kingdom of Dahomey was a bloodthirsty society bent on conquest. It was customary for the Dahomey to return home with the rotting heads and -------- of those they killed in battle. They conquered neighboring African states and took their citizens as slaves, selling many in the Atlantic slave trade in exchange for items like rifles, tobacco, and alcohol. Many of the slaves they sold ended up in America. They also kept some slaves for themselves to work on royal plantations. The business of slavery is what brought Dahomey most of its wealth. For them, it very much came down to either enslave others or become enslaved yourself.

The Agojie (women warriors) fought in slave raids along with the male fighters. There are accounts of Dahomey warriors conducting slave raids on villages where they cut the heads off of the elderly and rip the bottom jaw bones off others. During the raids, they'd burn the villages to the ground. Those who they let live, including the children, were taken captive and sold as slaves. The movie strategically downplays this part of Dahomey's history, so as to not complicate the story with the truth.

Each year in Dahomey, roughly 500 slaves and criminals were mass executed in large-scale human sacrifices during the religious ceremonies of a festival known as the Annual Customs of Dahomey. Most were sacrificed by way of decapitation, a method of killing widely used by the Dahomean kings. The 1727 Annual Customs of the Dahomey ceremony reportedly saw as many as 4,000 people sacrificed.

www.historyvshollywood.com

#58 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-09-21 03:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Still don't know why the movie is called The Woman King, since the main character is apparently a general, not a king.

Here's the story of a real woman king: www.google.com

#59 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-09-21 03:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Then why are Blacks still so much poorer than Whites?
You've never even tried to answer that question, Boaz.
You never even tried.

#52 | Posted by snoofy

I have many times, it just wasnt the answer you wanted.

#60 | Posted by boaz at 2022-09-21 04:53 PM | Reply

Can you try one more time, just to rub my face in it?

#61 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-21 05:49 PM | Reply

#58 "The business of slavery is what brought Dahomey most of its wealth. For them, it very much came down to either enslave others or become enslaved yourself."

That's the way of our violent world when it comes to warfare: kill or be killed; enslave or be enslaved. I guess they didn't have anything like a Genova convention back there then, but even with it, look what is happening in Ukraine today, to take just one example.

#62 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-09-21 05:55 PM | Reply

Yup. Brutal empires and slavery have ebbed and flowed everywhere on this planet, and the white European ones weren't any more "evil" than the other ones, as the trailer for this movie implies.
Contexts we were never taught in school:
Slaves brought to the United States accounted for less than 5% of the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade.
The Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade was dwarfed by the Arab/Muslim transcontinental slave trades. Western and Central Asian cultures had a much more voracious appetite for slaves.

Context is important and should be taught if it's not, but I fail to understand how knowing this greater context would change the facts about the history and impact of slavery in this country.

#63 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-09-21 06:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The business of slavery is what brought Dahomey most of its wealth."

Dahomey, it's just like America!

#64 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-21 06:02 PM | Reply

See? Black people can be represented in films without simply taking an old film that starred white people and recasting it with black people.

More of this please.

#65 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-21 06:02 PM | Reply

Mermaids, like Corporations, are people.

#66 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-21 06:25 PM | Reply

Black people can also be represented in films by remaking old, white films.

There's nothing wrong with either approach.

#67 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-21 06:27 PM | Reply

In the end, during Second Franco-Dahomean War in 1892, the French killed off most of what was left of this line of female warriors:

Between 2,000 and 4,000 Dahomean soldiers"including both men and women"died during the seven-week war. Of the roughly 1,200 Agojie in fighting shape at the beginning of the war, just 50 or 60 remained ready for battle by its end. Comparatively, the French side lost 52 Europeans and 33 Africans on the battlefield.

After the war, some of the surviving Agojie followed Bhanzin into exile in Martinique or served his brother, a puppet king installed by the French. Others tried to reenter society, to varying degrees of success. Still others toured Europe and the United States, performing dances and battlefield reenactments at "living exhibitions" that played into racist stereotypes of African people. At the 1893 World's Columbian Exposition in Chicago, visitors to the "Dahomey Village" were welcomed by a pair of juxtaposed paintings: an Agojie holding up an enemy's severed head and a white colonizer raising his helmet. "You have these parallel images of what was considered barbaric and what the civilizers were here to correct," says Larsen.

Last year, Leonard Wantchekon, an economist at Princeton University and native of Benin who leads research seeking to identify the Agojie's descendants, told the Washington Post that French colonization proved detrimental to women's rights in Dahomey, with colonizers barring women from political leadership (in addition to serving as warriors, ahosi could become royal cabinet ministers) and educational opportunities.


It's not just nature, but also human nature, that is, as the poet once said, "red in tooth and claw."

#68 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-09-21 06:32 PM | Reply

Black people can also be represented in films by remaking old, white films.

There's nothing wrong with either approach.

#67 | Posted by snoofy

There is if you want to win swing voters.

#69 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-21 06:45 PM | Reply

There's nothing wrong with either approach.
#67 | Posted by snoofy

There is if you want to win swing voters.
#69 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

I don't think the racism of swing voters is a good enough reason -- in Disney's mind or anyone else's -- to pass up a billion dollars by not re-making their movie.

#70 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-21 06:54 PM | Reply

I was hoping it was porn

#71 | Posted by eberly at 2022-09-21 06:56 PM | Reply

There is if you want to win swing voters.
#69 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

How many swing voters swinged to the racist party when Marvel cast Sameul L. Jackson in the role of Nick Fury in The Avengers, 2012?

#72 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-21 06:58 PM | Reply

I was hoping it was porn
#71 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Most popular search term in Kansas: Chubby
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#73 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-21 07:00 PM | Reply

I don't think the racism of swing voters is a good enough reason -- in Disney's mind or anyone else's -- to pass up a billion dollars by not re-making their movie.

#70 | Posted by snoofy

You dont think avoiding fascists gaining permanent control of our country is a good enough reason to ease up on the woke activism?

What do you think happens to disney's value if their home country descends into one party fascist control?

#74 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-21 07:06 PM | Reply

Disney re-making Disney is not "woke activism."

It's crass consumerism.

#75 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-21 07:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

How many swing voters swinged to the racist party when Marvel cast Sameul L. Jackson in the role of Nick Fury in The Avengers, 2012?

#72 | Posted by snoofy

I dont know. But I know it's a cumulative effect. The more it happens, the more white people will feel like republicans are right and liberals do want to replace them. Why would they vote for more of that when they head to the ballot box?

#76 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-21 07:08 PM | Reply

Why not say releasing any movie, not just a remake, with a Black lead would run the risk of fascists gaining permanent control of our country?

What's the huge difference I'm not seeing when the movie is a remake, like any of the countless remakes of Dracula, or Romeo and Juliet, or the remake of Romeo and Juliet with Puerto Ricans in it?

#77 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-21 07:09 PM | Reply

"But I know it's a cumulative effect."

It's certainly accumulated on you.

#78 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-21 07:10 PM | Reply

Disney re-making Disney is not "woke activism."

It's crass consumerism.

#75 | Posted by snoofy

Remaking would be a white mermaid. Replacing white roles with minorities is woke activism.

I dont care about a mermaid. I dont care about entertainment. I care about keeping fascists out of power. The importance of that dwarfs the importance of making minority kids feel good because a movie that used to start a white character now stars a minority character.

#79 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-21 07:11 PM | Reply

"The more it happens, the more white people will feel like republicans are right and liberals do want to replace them."

^
The more it happens, the more this white person feels like there are still a whole lot of white people who still don't realize how racist they are.

But I still don't think anyone, from Hollywood to the GOP, should cater to their ignorance. The GOP does, though.

#80 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-21 07:11 PM | Reply

"Remaking would be a white mermaid. Replacing white roles with minorities is woke activism."

How so? Where's the activism? What societal change is being advocated here?

#81 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-21 07:12 PM | Reply

"But I know it's a cumulative effect."

It's certainly accumulated on you.

#78 | Posted by snoofy

Sure, just like an actual conservative who is exasperated by seeing trump and trumpism take over his party because it hurts my conservative goals in the long run, I am an actual liberal who is exasperated by seeing woke warriors and PC police take over my party because it hurts my actual liberal goals in the long run.

#82 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-21 07:13 PM | Reply

The more it happens, the more this white person feels like there are still a whole lot of white people who still don't realize how racist they are.

But I still don't think anyone, from Hollywood to the GOP, should cater to their ignorance. The GOP does, though.

#80 | Posted by snoofy

You want to call them racist if recasting movies loses their votes, I just want their votes to keep fascists out of power.

Which is really more important?

#83 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-21 07:14 PM | Reply

"You want to call them racist if recasting movies loses their votes, I just want their votes to keep fascists out of power."

If freedom of expression is on the chopping block, then you're already on board with fascism and racism.

#84 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-21 07:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Which is really more important?
#83 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

To Disney? Neither. The bottom line is most important.

#85 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-21 07:17 PM | Reply

I am an actual liberal who is exasperated by seeing woke warriors and PC police take over my party because it hurts my actual liberal goals in the long run.
#82 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Denying little black girls role models in film because it offends white men is the opposite of liberalism.

#86 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-21 07:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

You seem notably less liberal than Eberly when it comes to racial challenges to your pre-conceived notions.

You seem about on par with Boaz.

#87 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-21 07:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Remaking would be a white mermaid. Replacing white roles with minorities is woke activism."

Or maybe it's just giving an old tale a new spin for new audiences:

Parents are posting TikToks of their Black daughters getting excited about Halle Bailey in 'The Little Mermaid' trailer

The touching responses came after a slew of backlash directed at Bailey and Disney for casting a Black lead.

www.nbcnews.com

#88 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-09-21 07:21 PM | Reply

How so? Where's the activism? What societal change is being advocated here?
#81 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

^
This needs an answer, SpeakSoftly.

#89 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-21 07:22 PM | Reply

How so? Where's the activism? What societal change is being advocated here?
#81 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

This needs an answer, SpeakSoftly.

#89 | Posted by snoofy

The question is so stupid I didn't think it needed an answer but fine - it's activism to replace white roles with minority ones. The societal change is replacing white roles in successful well known entertainment with minority ones.

Also, water is wet.

#90 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-21 07:26 PM | Reply

Why shouldn't there be a black Ariel just like there is a black Barbie?:

Are there any black Barbies?

Product Description. The original Black Barbie made her debut in 1980. Though beloved friends of Barbie " like Christie and Francie -were introduced over the preceding decades, this was the first black fashion doll to be hailed as Barbie herself.

#91 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-09-21 07:26 PM | Reply

Parents are posting TikToks of their Black daughters getting excited about Halle Bailey in 'The Little Mermaid' trailer
The touching responses came after a slew of backlash directed at Bailey and Disney for casting a Black lead.
www.nbcnews.com
#88 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

But that's not all!
It also all but guarantees the coming fascist takeover.
When the fascists take over, remember that little black girls being marketed to is why.

#92 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-21 07:26 PM | Reply

Parents are posting TikToks of their Black daughters getting excited about Halle Bailey in 'The Little Mermaid' trailer

The touching responses came after a slew of backlash directed at Bailey and Disney for casting a Black lead.

www.nbcnews.com

#88 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday

I wonder if those same parents will post tiktok videos of their kids reactions when donald trump is re elected.

#93 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-21 07:27 PM | Reply

The question is so stupid I didn't think it needed an answer but fine - it's activism to replace white roles with minority ones. The societal change is replacing white roles in successful well known entertainment with minority ones.
Also, water is wet.
#90 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

The role hasn't been replaced.
The 1989 version still exists.

Did you feel this way when Judy Dench started appearing in Bond films?

#94 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-21 07:27 PM | Reply

But that's not all!
It also all but guarantees the coming fascist takeover.
When the fascists take over, remember that little black girls being marketed to is why.

#92 | Posted by snoofy a

It doesnt guarantee it at all, it just makes it more likely. And in a very closely split country, nothing is worth that risk. Are there many things you think we should do as a society that help republicans take power?

#95 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-21 07:28 PM | Reply

The societal change is replacing white roles in successful well known entertainment with minority ones.
Also, water is wet.
#90 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

If you oppose societal change, you're not a liberal. You're a conservative.

#96 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-21 07:29 PM | Reply

The role hasn't been replaced.
The 1989 version still exists.

Did you feel this way when Judy Dench started appearing in Bond films?

#94 | Posted by snoofy

People know the old version exists. Then they see the new version replaces people that look like them with minority actors. Then they conclude "hey tucker carlson is right! liberals ARE trying to replace white people! No way I'm voting for them anymore"

Sure switching genders of known roles is dumb too. Female ghostbusters was stupid in concept and lame in execution. But that's not nearly as dangerous to democracy because it doesn't help the repubs sell their replacement theory politics to swing voters.

#97 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-21 07:31 PM | Reply

"The more it happens, the more white people will feel like republicans are right and liberals do want to replace them."

Black Barbie didn't replace White Barbie anymore than Black Ariel is replacing Black Ariel. That's just some stupid rightwing spin that you have bought into and are promoting.

#98 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-09-21 07:31 PM | Reply

If you oppose societal change, you're not a liberal. You're a conservative.

#96 | Posted by snoofy

If you support societal change at the expense of giving fascists permanent control of the country, you're not a liberal, you're a moron.

#99 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-21 07:32 PM | Reply

Are there many things you think we should do as a society that help republicans take power?
#95 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

We?

We as a society are not doing anything.

Disney is doing this.

One might even give some credit to The Invisible Hand, because this is an act of Capitalism.

However, if we as a society can't tolerate black girls having role models like white girls had 33 years ago, then we probably don't deserve to exist.

#100 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-21 07:32 PM | Reply

Black Barbie didn't replace White Barbie anymore than Black Ariel is replacing Black Ariel. That's just some stupid rightwing spin that you have bought into and are promoting.

#98 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday

Because you could still buy white barbie. Adding black barbie didn't eliminate the possibility of buying a white one.

But they're not remaking mermaid as both white and black versions.

This is more like - if you want a new barbie you have to buy a black one, if you want a white one, get on ebay and find an crusty old one.

#101 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-21 07:34 PM | Reply

"People know the old version exists. Then they see the new version replaces people that look like them with minority actors. Then they conclude "hey tucker carlson is right! liberals ARE trying to replace white people! No way I'm voting for them anymore"

^
You're arguing it's worth capitulating to racism, in order to save the Republic.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Lincoln is not your favorite President.

#102 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-21 07:35 PM | Reply

We as a society are not doing anything.

Disney is doing this.

One might even give some credit to The Invisible Hand, because this is an act of Capitalism.

However, if we as a society can't tolerate black girls having role models like white girls had 33 years ago, then we probably don't deserve to exist.

#100 | Posted by snoofy

woke society is screaming at corporations on twitter and threatening boycotts if they dont engage in woke activism. corporations are obeying out of fear of losing money.

If we as society think the only way to give black girls role models is to recast the white characters as black ones, then you're right.

#103 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-21 07:35 PM | Reply

You're arguing it's worth capitulating to racism, in order to save the Republic.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Lincoln is not your favorite President.

#102 | Posted by snoofy

Capitulating? Like white mermaid was a chant at a klan rally?

I'm just saying dont help the racists make their case to swing voters that liberals want to replace them.

#104 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-21 07:37 PM | Reply

"But they're not remaking mermaid as both white and black versions."

So you want Disney to remake a white version of The Little Mermaid?

#105 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-09-21 07:38 PM | Reply

"woke society is screaming at corporations on twitter and threatening boycotts if they dont engage in woke activism. corporations are obeying out of fear of losing money."

LOL.
Activists have been active long before Twitter.
But that's not what I'm laughing about

It's this:
Who's losing money?
Is Disney losing money?
Also, if this were a losing move for Disney, they'd stop doing it.

#106 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-21 07:38 PM | Reply

"This is more like - if you want a new barbie you have to buy a black one, if you want a white one, get on ebay and find an crusty old one."

You obviously don't know the value of vintage Barbie dolls. Just sayin'.

#107 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-09-21 07:40 PM | Reply

"But they're not remaking mermaid as both white and black versions."

So you want Disney to remake a white version of The Little Mermaid?

#105 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday

What's a "white version?" I'm simply saying don't help fascists gain power by proving that liberals do indeed want to replace them.

#108 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-21 07:41 PM | Reply

"Capitulating? Like white mermaid was a chant at a klan rally?"

Capitulating, like saying we can't have black remakes because the KKK will use them as recruitment tools for aggrieved whites at their rallies.

And on a broader scope, the GOP will use them to take over and install fascism.

That's literally why you're saying Black Ariel must go.

#109 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-21 07:41 PM | Reply

You obviously don't know the value of vintage Barbie dolls. Just sayin'.

#107 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday

You obviously never tried to offer a kid a crusty old toy instead of a new one.

#110 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-21 07:41 PM | Reply

What's a "white version?"

I don't know. You tell me. You're the one who used the term.

#111 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-09-21 07:42 PM | Reply

What's a "white version?"

^
The original.
The one fragile whites feel threatened when it gets remade as a "black version."

#112 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-21 07:43 PM | Reply

Capitulating, like saying we can't have black remakes because the KKK will use them as recruitment tools for aggrieved whites at their rallies.

And on a broader scope, the GOP will use them to take over and install fascism.

That's literally why you're saying Black Ariel must go.

#109 | Posted by snoofy

Yup. You finally understand. Only it wont be at klan rallies, it will be on the evening news.

#113 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-21 07:44 PM | Reply

The one fragile whites feel threatened when it gets remade as a "black version."

#112 | Posted by snoofy

Fragile whites vote. Winning elections is WAY more important right now than being as woke as possible.

#114 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-21 07:45 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Fragile whites vote. Winning elections is WAY more important right now than being as woke as possible."

These fragile whites you speak of were likely always going to vote Republican and for the Trumpiest candidates at that. Do you really think Black Ariel is going to be the straw that breaks the camel's back and causes them to vote for the GOP? That may be the excuse they give, but their minds were already made up.

#115 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-09-21 07:52 PM | Reply

These fragile whites you speak of were likely always going to vote Republican and for the Trumpiest candidates at that. Do you really think Black Ariel is going to be the straw that breaks the camel's back and causes them to vote for the GOP? That may be the excuse they give, but their minds were already made up.

#115 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday

Repubs are doing a lot to turn off swing voters right now.

It would be a great time for dems to pick them up and welcome them in.

But woke activism is pushing them right back into the arms of republicans. It's our side's biggest weakness since it's what the middle hates most about the left.

#116 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-21 07:56 PM | Reply

I'm genuinely mystified that you believe the way to combat fascism is to capitulate to the fascist wishes.

Do you have any examples of this strategy working?

#117 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-21 08:50 PM | Reply

Fragile whites vote. Winning elections is WAY more important right now than being as woke as possible.
#114 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Not to Disney.

Are you ever going to take your fight to the enemy?

#118 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-21 08:51 PM | Reply

"But woke activism is pushing them right back into the arms of republicans."

Is abortion rights woke activism too?
How about transgender rights?

Should these be sacrificed, in the name of appeasement?

What's next?

#119 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-21 08:58 PM | Reply

I'm genuinely mystified that you believe the way to combat fascism is to capitulate to the fascist wishes.

Do you have any examples of this strategy working?

#117 | Posted by snoofy

I'm mystified that you think simply NOT recasting movies is capitulating to fascist wishes.

I have examples of swing voters choosing insane republicans over woke liberals - 2016.

#120 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-21 08:59 PM | Reply

WHERE DO YOU DRAW THE LINE?

#121 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-21 08:59 PM | Reply

"I have examples of swing voters choosing insane republicans over woke liberals - 2016."

Okay.
What black remake did it in 2016?
Was it Nick Fury?

#122 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-21 09:00 PM | Reply

"I'm mystified that you think simply NOT recasting movies is capitulating to fascist wishes."

What else could it possibly be?

The only reason you want to ------- Black Ariel is to stop fascism.

#123 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-21 09:02 PM | Reply

Is abortion rights woke activism too?
How about transgender rights?

Should these be sacrificed, in the name of appeasement?

What's next?

#119 | Posted by snoofy

All I want to do is win elections. Once the fascist uprising is over, we can focus on making sure everyone's feelings are considered and everyone feels included.

Abortion rights is a winning issue for dems. They should run on it.

Trans rights is trickier. Drag queen story hour for kids is definitely not the way to win swing voters. Dems should treat trans issues as a "freedom to live your life as you want it" issue. But NOT throw it in anyone's face or start recasting roles in movies they loved as kids and replacing them with trans characters. And DEFINITELY stop trying to get people fired or cancelled for using the wrong pronouns and not being woke enough.

#124 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-21 09:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The only reason you want to ------- Black Ariel is to stop fascism.

#123 | Posted by snoofy

Yup. Is that not a worthwhile tradeoff to you?

Black mermaid or permanent rightwing fascism. Tough choice?

#125 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-21 09:04 PM | Reply

It was 'Shaft' in 1971.

www.youtube.com

Woody Allen played the original.

#126 | Posted by Corky at 2022-09-21 09:05 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

The only reason you want to ------- Black Ariel is to stop fascism.
#123 | Posted by snoofy
Yup. Is that not a worthwhile tradeoff to you?
#125 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

It's not a deal at all.
-------ning Black Ariel for the reasons you advocate is capitulating to fascism.

#127 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-21 09:16 PM | Reply

"All I want to do is win elections."

All you want to do is destroy black role models to win elections.

#128 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-21 09:17 PM | Reply

"But NOT throw it in anyone's face or start recasting roles in movies they loved as kids and replacing them with trans characters."

I fail to see how this pours gasoline on the fire of fascism.

Also, if this is such an effective strategy to bring about fascism, the fascists can just remake whatever they like with a trans character and there's not a damn thing you can do to stop their false flag attack.

Anyway, what happened when this remake came out, I mean really "came out?"
Zorro: The Gay Blade 1981 PG
www.imdb.com

#129 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-21 09:22 PM | Reply

"were likely always going to vote Republican and for the Trumpiest candidates at that. Do you really think Black Ariel is going to be the straw that breaks the camel's back and causes them to vote for the GOP? That may be the excuse they give, but their minds were already made up."

Not sure how this thread morphed into the Black Ariel thread, but you're making a number of foolish assumptions here. The grave error in your calculation is that you're ignoring the soft voters who lean apathetic and could be motivated to stay home or not stay home on either side. And as I pointed out in the other thread, it's not just white voters who are turned off by the trollish marketing.

Bringing it back to the topic of this thread, the marketing for the Woman King seems kind of trollish too (based on the trailer), even though there's nothing objectionable about the premise of the movie.

#130 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-09-21 09:27 PM | Reply

I'd pay to see a remake of 'Stagecoach' with Randy Rainbow in the original John Wayne role.

#131 | Posted by Corky at 2022-09-21 09:30 PM | Reply

"I have examples of swing voters choosing insane republicans over woke liberals - 2016."

There is this too. It's stupid to assume that all the voters who voted for Obama and then Trump would have voted that way no matter what. And blaming the voters because they perceived Democrats being complacent about if not appeasing the bigots in their own party is just like telling them you don't want them to vote for Democrats.

#132 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-09-21 09:44 PM | Reply

It's odd to see an extreme liberal see liberalism as ugly and scary.

Moderates are scared of liberalism and progressiveness?

I suppose some are but you can't forget lazy liberals either. They're lazy but they're upset when you drop causes like transgender and black ariel. They'll stay home if you cave.

I think Corky refers to them as "puritopians" meaning they are so fragile that if their party doesn't fight hard, they take their ball and go home.

You need them on election day.

#133 | Posted by eberly at 2022-09-21 09:45 PM | Reply

It's not a deal at all.
----------- Black Ariel for the reasons you advocate is capitulating to fascism.

#127 | Posted by snoofy

No putting uber woke activism on the back burner for a while is PREVENTING fascism.

Dont you dare give trump another term in the name of inclusiveness.

#134 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-21 09:48 PM | Reply

I think both things are true, yin and yang.

Turning off swing voters by putting woke in their faces 24/7 is a very bad idea.

As is capitulating to fascists, whether they know what that word means, or not.

It has a dictionary definition, one which they ignore completely or say there are liberal fascists... as if.

Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement,[1][2][3] characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation and race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.

more

en.wikipedia.org

#135 | Posted by Corky at 2022-09-21 09:50 PM | Reply

All you want to do is destroy black role models to win elections.

#128 | Posted by snoofy

Look at my first post in this thread idiot - Glad that there is a NEW ORIGINAL black character to be admired instead of just recasting white roles.

Name one black role model I said to destroy.

#136 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-21 09:50 PM | Reply

How about "Wizzard of Oz" with Israel Kaanoi Kamakawiwoole as Dorothy?

#137 | Posted by Charliecharles at 2022-09-21 09:52 PM | Reply

"Glad that there is a NEW ORIGINAL black character to be admired instead of just recasting white roles."

^
This is like saying the Pittsburg Steelers should never have hired Mike Tomlin to replace Bill Cowher.
Hopefully you can see that what you are saying is remarkably racist.
Can you?

#138 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-21 09:54 PM | Reply

Name one black role model I said to destroy.
#136 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Halle Bailey as Ariel.

#139 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-21 09:54 PM | Reply

It's odd to see an extreme liberal see liberalism as ugly and scary.
#133 | Posted by eberly

That's because having the brain power to put yourself in someone else's shoes is foreign to you.

I dont find liberalism ugly or scary, I simply understand the average joe's who do see it that way when "hollywood" starts replacing their characters with minorities.

But thanks for popping in to remind everyone how poor your comprehension skills are, in case anyone forgot.

#140 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-21 09:55 PM | Reply

How fascism works
A Yale philosopher on fascism, truth, and Donald Trump.

Jason Stanley -

"I think it's clearly right-wing. Part of the problem is that "right" and "left" are tricky to talk about, and it's true that there are dangerous forms of extremism on both sides, but fascism tilts pretty heavily to the right in my view.

If you think about fascism as a sliding scale, ordinary conservative politics is going to find itself somewhere on that scale " which is not to say that it's fascist at all, any more than ordinary Democratic politics is communist.

But just as extreme versions of communism suppress liberty on behalf of radical equality, so too do extreme versions of right-wing politics, namely fascism, suppress liberty in favor of tradition and dominance and power.'

also

"I think of fascism as a method of politics. It's a rhetoric, a way of running for power. Of course, that's connected to fascist ideology, because fascist ideology centers on power. But I really see fascism as a technique to gain power.

People are always asking, "Is such-and-such politician really a fascist?" Which is really just another way of asking if this person has a particular set of beliefs or an ideology, but again, I don't really think of a fascist as someone who holds a set of beliefs. They're using a certain technique to acquire and retain power.

Right. And my book identifies the various techniques that fascists tend to adopt, and shows how someone can be more fascist or less fascist in their politics.

The key thing is that fascist politics is about identifying enemies, appealing to the in-group (usually the majority group), and smashing truth and replacing it with power."

#141 | Posted by Corky at 2022-09-21 09:55 PM | Reply

Halle Bailey as Ariel.

#139 | Posted by snoofy a

Oh she's a black role model? Since when exactly?

#142 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-21 09:55 PM | Reply

www.vox.com

#143 | Posted by Corky at 2022-09-21 09:55 PM | Reply

@#124 ... Abortion rights is a winning issue for dems. They should run on it....

Why should human rights be a political issue to "run on?"

#144 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-09-21 09:58 PM | Reply

Oh she's a black role model? Since when exactly?
#142 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Never, if you get your way.
Meanwhile, black girls are already wowed by her.
Gal_Tuesday already posted this:

www.nbcnews.com
#88 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

#145 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-21 09:59 PM | Reply

"How about "Wizzard of Oz" with Israel Kaanoi Kamakawiwoole as Dorothy?"

Diana Ross played Dorothy in The Wizz.

Although they could recast Fairuza Balk with your choice in a remake of Return To Ozz.

#146 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-09-21 10:01 PM | Reply

-That's because having the brain power to put yourself in someone else's shoes is foreign to you.

It was implied that it was from the eyes of a moderate.

#147 | Posted by eberly at 2022-09-21 10:01 PM | Reply

-Diana Ross played Dorothy in The Wizz.

Did they cast Bill Cosby in that?

#148 | Posted by eberly at 2022-09-21 10:02 PM | Reply

In college, I turned down the role of Mark Spitz in his movie biography.

We looked alike, but I was 3" taller and not woke (hip) to short people's lives matters.

More of a Randy Newman fan.

#149 | Posted by Corky at 2022-09-21 10:09 PM | Reply

"Did they cast Bill Cosby in that?"

No, that was Journey Back to Oz. This one had Michael Jackson as the Scarecrow, Nipsey Russell as the Tin Man, and Richard Prior as the Wizard.

#150 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-09-21 10:11 PM | Reply

I really wanted Idris Elba to play James Bond, but he's thrown cold water on that idea. He'd have been so good.

#151 | Posted by YAV at 2022-09-21 10:22 PM | Reply

I really wanted Idris Elba to play James Bond, but he's thrown cold water on that idea. He'd have been so good.

#151 | POSTED BY YAV AT 2022-09-21 10:22 PM | REPLY

That would have been fun.

#152 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2022-09-21 10:24 PM | Reply

"Idris Elba!!! James Bond! Are you ------- insane! We'd lose elections for sure here if we allowed that!!!"

-speakstupid

#153 | Posted by eberly at 2022-09-21 10:26 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I can see Herschel Walker as Thor.

#154 | Posted by Corky at 2022-09-21 10:28 PM | Reply

Or as Einstein in the play. He's versatile.

#155 | Posted by Corky at 2022-09-21 10:29 PM | Reply

"Why are there no bugs in the ocean?" - Herschel Walker as Aristotle.

#156 | Posted by YAV at 2022-09-21 10:37 PM | Reply

I really wanted Idris Elba to play James Bond, but he's thrown cold water on that idea. He'd have been so good.
#151 | POSTED BY YAV

Hi. I need a rundown of your clients, can you get that to me.

#157 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-21 10:37 PM | Reply

I've skimmed this thread, and I still do not know what is the big issue here.

Can someone explain, in 100 words or less, for my little brain, just what is the controversy here?

Is this a pop-culture disagreement thing, similar to saying that Taylor Swift may be doing rock music because that is where the money is and not because she is good at it?

I'm lost on this one...


#158 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-09-21 11:51 PM | Reply

"Can someone explain, in 100 words or less, for my little brain, just what is the controversy here?"

No idea, really.

If had to pick just one word to frame this film in our culture, it would be:

Blaxploitation.

I don't know anything about Taylor Swift. But if you're willing to apply that kind of thinking to blaxploitation films, then ye$.

I don't get to the movies much, but this trailer reminded me of 300, the graphic novel movie. Full bore on style; complete disregard for historical accuracy.

Hmm. Superhero Movies are Blaxploitation for White People.

#159 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-22 12:07 AM | Reply

If you roll down on the Twitter page, you'll get to this, so this might help explain the controversy.
twitter.com

#160 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-22 12:25 AM | Reply

"Richard Prior as the Wizard."

Oops. I meant the Wiz.

#161 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-09-22 07:54 AM | Reply

I've skimmed this thread, and I still do not know what is the big issue here.

You should know what the issue is. Read the article.

As usual, liberals come in and change the subject from a clearly understandable point. But then again, Snoofy is white and he doesnt understand.

There are blacks out there who arent wholly on board with the "scare em and we will get our way" thought of today's militant black. There are blacks out there, who will use the liberal agenda to get their way until they cant, then they will turn on the liberal.

Then there are blacks like me, who are Americans first, before they are blacks, who know the United States is the only game running and want nothing to do with Africa.

We are also smart, educated and we know who sent our ancestors into slavery and it wasnt the white man. Without these violence women who the liberal hollywood left is putting on a pedestal, There probably wouldnt be much of a slave trade to begin with.

And then again, there probably wouldnt be anything for a liberal to point at a black person and say they are being put down.

#162 | Posted by boaz at 2022-09-22 11:35 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"We are also smart"

OK, Fredo.

#163 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2022-09-22 12:01 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

'we know who sent our ancestors into slavery and it wasn't the white man"

So you are saying the smarter, non-slave blacks in Africa took advantage of the dumber blacks (your ancestors) and sold them as slaves for a profit? Ouch!

Perhaps those smarter blacks were just looking it from a business standpoint, not a racial one. I mean, how else were those smarter blacks gonna get their guns and liquor?

But they wouldn't have sold if there wasn't a market in europe and in the west. The white man always had what those Africans wanted, right? Just look a you. White People gave you the Military Industrial Complex in which you willingly became a pawn and made your living upon the corpses of dead and oppressed brown people.

Anyway, enough of that. I'm going to go read Curious George and blame the palm tree that allowed the Man In the Yellow Hat to kidnap him.

#164 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2022-09-22 12:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Then there are blacks like me, who are Americans first, before they are blacks, who know the United States is the only game running and want nothing to do with Africa.

#162 | Posted by boaz

No one who is an "american first" supports the fascist criminal who tried to end democracy.

#165 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-22 12:47 PM | Reply

Oh she's a black role model? Since when exactly?
#142 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Never, if you get your way.
Meanwhile, black girls are already wowed by her.
Gal_Tuesday already posted this:

www.nbcnews.com
#88 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

#145 | Posted by snoofy

Oh so a movie TRAILER for a movie that isn't even out yet is all it takes to become a ROLE MODEL.

Man obama did all that extra work for nothing.

#166 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-22 12:49 PM | Reply

You really have lost it over this issue. You aren't just pushing your ridiculous "either or" "black or white" logical fallacy nonsense, now you're deliberately misstating what people have said. Gal Tuesday, no less. That alone ought to smack you in your own face and tell you you need a reality check.

#167 | Posted by YAV at 2022-09-22 01:13 PM | Reply

You really have lost it over this issue. You aren't just pushing your ridiculous "either or" "black or white" logical fallacy nonsense, now you're deliberately misstating what people have said. Gal Tuesday, no less. That alone ought to smack you in your own face and tell you you need a reality check.

#167 | Posted by YAV

That attitude is why swing voters choose republicans. Because for woke liberals there is only one proper way to think. You're either fully on board to the woke train or you're the enemy and we don't want your vote. We'd rather let fascists take over the country than dial back the woke war one notch.

#168 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-22 01:23 PM | Reply

You have so over-inflated "woke" it's comical. The only people that are trumpting the call of "wokeness" are right-wingers. I never hear it unless it's a right-winger, or you. And all you're doing is reinforcing that and shining a light on it.

#169 | Posted by YAV at 2022-09-22 01:26 PM | Reply

Yav,

You are so "woke", you are complaining on the nooner not everyone is accepting trans men can have babies like a real woman.

You are the problem in this culture dude..

#170 | Posted by boaz at 2022-09-22 03:22 PM | Reply

Oh so a movie TRAILER for a movie that isn't even out yet is all it takes to become a ROLE MODEL.
#166 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

^
Oh so a movie TRAILER for a movie that isn't even out yet is all it takes for FASCISM TO WIN.

#171 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-22 03:31 PM | Reply

"That attitude is why swing voters choose republicans."

And what attitude is why swing voters choose Democrats?
???

#172 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-22 03:32 PM | Reply

You are so "woke", you are complaining on the nooner not everyone is accepting trans men can have babies like a real woman.

--------. You are such a liar. ---- off, Boaz. And don't let Gracie know you're posting what is posted on the nooner on threads outside the nooner. She HATES that!

#173 | Posted by YAV at 2022-09-22 03:35 PM | Reply

Oh, what happens in the nooner stays in the nooner? My bad.

#174 | Posted by boaz at 2022-09-22 04:58 PM | Reply

Oh so a movie TRAILER for a movie that isn't even out yet is all it takes for FASCISM TO WIN.

#171 | Posted by snoofy

As I already explained, it's cumulative. One of these wouldn't be a big problem. But it accumulates and helps fascists make their argument to swing voters that liberals want to replace you.

Next up is the new Interview with the Vampire series. Remember brad pitt's role in the movie? That's now a black guy. Who's supposed to be from 1700s france. Because everyone knows how 1700s france was just filled with aristocratic black people.

#175 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-22 06:22 PM | Reply

You have so over-inflated "woke" it's comical. The only people that are trumpting the call of "wokeness" are right-wingers. I never hear it unless it's a right-winger, or you. And all you're doing is reinforcing that and shining a light on it.

#169 | Posted by YAV

For the DOZENTH time, I'm not speaking about my own views on woke ism or progressiveness. I am warning liberals about swing voters' views on uber woke activism and how liberals are simply driving swing voters into the arms of fascists.

Think strategically for christs sake. Do you want to win the woke awards and lose power to fascists? Or dial down the woke activism and keep fascism at bay?

#176 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-22 06:25 PM | Reply

As I already explained, it's cumulative.

You stated that.
You didn't really explain it.

Talk us through some of the liberal missteps that have led to fascism throughout history.

#177 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-22 06:25 PM | Reply

And what attitude is why swing voters choose Democrats?
???

#172 | Posted by snoofy

Republicans seeming insane about trump and abortion. It's a great time to pick up swing voters. Which is what we should be doing, instead of helping prove the republican's propaganda about liberals wanting to replace them.

#178 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-22 06:26 PM | Reply

Talk us through some of the liberal missteps that have led to fascism throughout history.

#177 | Posted by snoofy

I'm not talking about history. I'm talking about the forces at work in modern america.

Repubs drive away swing voters by being insane fascist theocrats.

Liberals drive away swing voters by being woke warriors.

#179 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-22 06:28 PM | Reply

"how liberals are simply driving swing voters into the arms of fascists."

But it's Disney doing that.
Not Liberals.

Also, if you are comfortable embracing Fascism, you won't be a swing voter for long.

How many swing voters do you think are willing to embrace Fascism?

Maybe about as many Bernie Bros who didn't vote for who Bernie told them to?

#180 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-22 06:28 PM | Reply

"Repubs drive away swing voters by being insane fascist theocrats.
Liberals drive away swing voters by being woke warriors."

^
Then swing voters won't go for either.

#181 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-22 06:29 PM | Reply

The faux-progressive left's defense of Disney's and other corporations' actions pandering to the "woke" and engaging troll marketing supports my theory that "progressives" actually wanted Trump to be elected all along.

#182 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-09-22 06:48 PM | Reply

In response to #4 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM and #5 | POSTED BY BOAZ above...

Fact: Consevative White Males are the
biggest Snowflakes on the planet. Fact.

#183 | Posted by earthmuse at 2022-09-22 06:50 PM | Reply

It's true. These people get butthurt over mermaids.

#184 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2022-09-22 06:50 PM | Reply

"The faux-progressive left's defense of Disney"

Disney hasn't done anything which needs defending.

#185 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-22 06:53 PM | Reply

helping prove the republican's propaganda about liberals wanting to replace them.
#178 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

^
You need to stop letting stupid people control how you think.

#186 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-22 06:54 PM | Reply

"[Disney is] driving swing voters into the arms of fascists."
#180
Disney hasn't done anything which needs defending.
#185

Gotcha.

#187 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-09-22 07:35 PM | Reply

#187 - that's dishonest and a lie. Do you know what quote marks mean? Or are you just determined to lie?

Wow. What a ------ thing to do. It's crystal clear Snoofy was quoting SpeakSoftly #176. He used QUOTE MARKS even.

You didn't "Gotcha" anything except what that you're either embarrassingly mistaken or you're a liar.

#188 | Posted by YAV at 2022-09-22 07:50 PM | Reply

The faux-progressive left's defense of Disney's and other corporations' actions pandering to the "woke" and engaging troll marketing supports my theory that "progressives" actually wanted Trump to be elected all along.
#182 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

Does salt come with the pretzel?

JFC

You're giving lefties waaaaay to much credit.

Disney's behavior and decisions are based on their bottom line and nothing else. Hilarious this has to be explained to pro-free market conservatives.

#189 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2022-09-22 07:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If you're down to doing that kind of thing then you've completely lost the argument.

#190 | Posted by YAV at 2022-09-22 07:52 PM | Reply

#190 - that was NOT for 189 but for 187.
RstyBeach - I said the same thing very early on on the Black Mermaid thread.
Disney looked out at the world and said "holy ----. We have more than a billion people in India. We have an entire continent of Africa which is 3 times bigger than the U.S. and we have the whole middle east. We already have this classic version, let's reach even more people."

It was "woke" in the sense of "holy ----, look at the money we can make, and establish a relationship with!"

But the REPUBLICANS who already are punishinig Disney (DeSantis) all jumped on this and turned it into more "anti-woke" nonsense when "woke" had nothing to do with it.

It's demagoguery. It's propaganda. Speaks has bought into it 100% as if every Democrat can't finish a sentence with out saying "woke." The only place I hear "woke" is from the Right, SpeakSoftly being an exception.

#191 | Posted by YAV at 2022-09-22 08:01 PM | Reply

It was "woke" in the sense of "holy ----, look at the money we can make, and establish a relationship with!"

Exactly. It was brilliant. And all the outrage is just going to make it a huge box office draw.

#192 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-09-22 08:15 PM | Reply

"#187 - that's dishonest and a lie. Do you know what quote marks mean? Or are you just determined to lie?
Wow. What a ------ thing to do. It's crystal clear Snoofy was quoting SpeakSoftly #176. He used QUOTE MARKS even."

When Snoofy wrote "But it's Disney doing that. Not Liberals", my placement of "Disney" in the brackets inside of SpeakSoftly's quote is an accurate representation of what Snoofy directly implied with his comment. I could have quoted both of them, but I chose to go for brevity. There's nothing dishonest about what I did, and it's extremely petty and childish and perhaps even pathologically dishonest of you to suggest there is.

#193 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-09-22 08:16 PM | Reply

-Liberals drive away swing voters by being woke warriors.

they drive some voters away that way

they also drive them away by screaming "fascism" over and over and over.

You can't convince swing voters that that 1 side is nothing but fascists.

I think people like Speaksoftly offend swing voters with that stuff.

#194 | Posted by eberly at 2022-09-22 08:24 PM | Reply

#188 I have no idea what he's trying to say.

#195 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-22 08:32 PM | Reply

-That attitude is why swing voters choose republicans.

I'm not messing with you with this question.......what do you consider a "swing voter"?

I consider a swing voter someone who....

1. goes back and forth on parties on national elections for president. ie voted for GWB but voted for Obama. or voted for Trump but switched to Biden next time.
2. hard to tell they are from either party when you look at their ballot and how they voted in all elections. state rep vs US house vs president, etc. they might have 10 elections on their ballot from president down to city council. they go with 5 dems and 5 GOP.

If that's close to anyone's definition of a swing voter....I can assure you NONE of them want to be called a FASCIST. Hell, I would imagine they would rather be attached to "woke" efforts they don't necessarily agree with than to be called a FASCIST.

#196 | Posted by eberly at 2022-09-22 08:37 PM | Reply

We have more than a billion people in India. We have an entire continent of Africa which is 3 times bigger than the U.S. and we have the whole middle east.

Puts into perspective how selfish these angry white people truly are.

#197 | Posted by horstngraben at 2022-09-22 08:40 PM | Reply

"If that's close to anyone's definition of a swing voter....I can assure you NONE of them want to be called a FASCIST. Hell, I would imagine they would rather be attached to "woke" efforts they don't necessarily agree with than to be called a FASCIST."

Although he's got it right about how the faux-woke stuff pushes away swing voters, SS seems oblivious to how his own behavior of baselessly lumping people in with fascists, what he assumes to be "your party" and "your cult", etc. overlaps with the behavior of the "woke" crowd and is just as detrimental to keeping or bringing in swing voters to actually vote for his preferred candidates.

#198 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-09-22 09:55 PM | Reply

If the issue is Latino/Latina voters, then watch MSNBC tonight at 10PM Eastern for a report on how a GOP woman won over a Democrat in a highly Latino/a county in Texas. It was a simple "God, Family, Country" message. That and the Democratic party didn't fund her opponent (a Democrat) at all.

Episode Name: Texas
10:00 PM ET

Ramos travels to South Texas to uncover what's driving Latinos' rightward shift in the Rio Grande Valley, a historically Democratic stronghold.

#199 | Posted by YAV at 2022-09-23 08:12 AM | Reply

But it's Disney doing that.
Not Liberals.

Also, if you are comfortable embracing Fascism, you won't be a swing voter for long.

How many swing voters do you think are willing to embrace Fascism?

#180 | Posted by snoofy

It's disney doing it because theyre afraid of the woke mob. The ones who demand opportunities and awards based on skin color instead of merit.

Swing voters see it as picking between 2 kinds of fascism - political fascism on the right, or thought police fascism on the left.

Until the woke mob took control of the left, there was no reason for swing voters not to vote democrat. The woke warriors give them a very real reason to not vote democrat.

#200 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-23 04:29 PM | Reply

they also drive them away by screaming "fascism" over and over and over.

You can't convince swing voters that that 1 side is nothing but fascists.

I think people like Speaksoftly offend swing voters with that stuff.

#194 | Posted by eberly

The only people that bothers are fascists and people like you who vote for them while claiming you dont support fascism.

I'll stop calling your party fascist when you stop being fascist. Which looks like never. If an attempted fascist coup didn't wake you morons up nothing will.

#201 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-23 04:31 PM | Reply

"It's disney doing it because theyre afraid of the woke mob."

^
You're a ------- ------.

#202 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-23 04:34 PM | Reply

You're a ------- ------.

#202 | Posted by snoofy

By being ignorant of the social movements of the modern world, you're even dumber than me.

#203 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-23 04:38 PM | Reply

"By being ignorant of the social movements of the modern world,"

Please cure me of my ignorance and show me where the Woke Mob scared Disney into making a live-action Little Nermaid.

Please.

#204 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-23 04:40 PM | Reply

The evidence proving I'm right is this thread. And the mermaid thread.

Look what happens to even a well established liberal if they reject the woke warrior groupthink. That's all it takes to switch from seeing me as an ally to an enemy. It's totalitarian. It's the same idiotic tribalism that makes trumpers throw anyone out of the party who doesn't totally submit to trump.

That's why you're offering swing voters when it comes to the woke agenda: Get on board or get destroyed. Go vote for our enemy instead.

#205 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-23 04:41 PM | Reply

"Look what happens to even a well established liberal if they reject the woke warrior groupthink"

What am I supposed to be looking at, to see this?
???

#206 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-23 04:43 PM | Reply

The evidence proving I'm right is this thread. And the mermaid thread.

As uninvolved posters noted previously, only you and those similarly deluded even UNDERSTAND the nonsensical mutterings you insist on repeating as though repetition itself is "winning."

Corporations make decisions based on their bottom lines and global corporations think beyond narrow domestic considerations - see Mulan for example.

You've been little more than Humphrey Bogart muttering about "strawberries" over and over again while the rest of us shake our heads and mostly keep strolling on past your train wreck psychotic breakdown.

#207 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-09-23 04:48 PM | Reply

The only people that bothers are fascists and people like you who vote for them while claiming you dont support fascism.

A swing voter is who you are talking to with that statement. You somehow have convinced yourself that you're only insulting party-line hard core republicans with posts like that.

You're wrong.

Again, you don't really understand what a swing voter or moderate voter really is. Do you even truly believe they exist?

Because they do and do you know what 95% of swing/moderate voters are guilty of in recent years?

They are guilty of "being fascists and supporting fascism" Your words, speak.

They've voted for republicans.

You realize a ton of swing voters voted for Donald Trump in the last election??? Lots of other republicans.

You don't seem to process that.

You're the biggest enemy the democratic party has.

#208 | Posted by eberly at 2022-09-23 04:59 PM | Reply

"SS seems oblivious to how his own behavior of baselessly lumping people in with fascists,"

By his own deluded definition of "fascism" he's managed to include anybody who has voted for a republican in recent years for any office as a fascist who supports fascism.

Speak is the very extremist he believes he is warning us all about with the Wokeism crowd crap.

#209 | Posted by eberly at 2022-09-23 05:03 PM | Reply

Corporations make decisions based on their bottom lines and global corporations think beyond narrow domestic considerations - see Mulan for example.

#207 | Posted by tonyroma

That's the point- their bottom lines are now threatened by woke activism so they're following the woke activists' agenda.

#210 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-23 05:19 PM | Reply

Because they do and do you know what 95% of swing/moderate voters are guilty of in recent years?

They are guilty of "being fascists and supporting fascism" Your words, speak.

They've voted for republicans.

You realize a ton of swing voters voted for Donald Trump in the last election??? Lots of other republicans.

You don't seem to process that.

You're the biggest enemy the democratic party has.

#208 | Posted by eberly

Yup. They're guilty of voting for fascism. But they don't spend all day online actually ARGUING for fascism, parroting fascist talking points, and attacking the opponents of fascism like you do.

#211 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-23 05:21 PM | Reply

Speak is the very extremist he believes he is warning us all about with the Wokeism crowd crap.

#209 | Posted by eberly

What am I extremist about?

#212 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-23 05:22 PM | Reply

-What am I extremist about?

Accusing anybody who hasn't voted dem straight ticket a fascist.

#213 | Posted by eberly at 2022-09-23 05:33 PM | Reply

-But they don't spend all day online actually ARGUING for fascism, parroting fascist talking points, and attacking the opponents of fascism like you do.

Slapping morons like you around isn't doing that.

I don't do that. I just slap you around.

Arguing for fascism ... ..LOL

As Tony put it ... ... "train wreck psychotic breakdown"

I think Tony is implying that happened recently.

I know better. It happened a long time ago. He just realized it.

#214 | Posted by eberly at 2022-09-23 05:36 PM | Reply

-What am I extremist about?

Why are you asking a fascist to evaluate you?

LOL

#215 | Posted by eberly at 2022-09-23 05:37 PM | Reply

"their bottom lines are now threatened by woke activism"

That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence
--Christopher Hitchens

#216 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-23 05:41 PM | Reply

I think Tony is implying that happened recently.
I know better. It happened a long time ago. He just realized it.
#214 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Tend to agree with you on that one, Eberly.

Anything relating to promoting women's rights or minority rights immediately engenders a hugely defensive response from White Male SpeakSoftly.

#217 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-23 05:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Accusing anybody who hasn't voted dem straight ticket a fascist.

#213 | Posted by eberly

Its easier to argue against things I never said than my actual words isn't it?

#218 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-23 06:12 PM | Reply

Look what happens to even a well established liberal if they reject the woke warrior groupthink. That's all it takes to switch from seeing me as an ally to an enemy. It's totalitarian. It's the same idiotic tribalism that makes trumpers throw anyone out of the party who doesn't totally submit to trump.
That's why you're offering swing voters when it comes to the woke agenda: Get on board or get destroyed. Go vote for our enemy instead.
#205 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Hmm, what you describe is pretty much what a lot of Bernie Bros did back in 2016 to any liberal who decided to vote for Clinton rather than Sanders during the primaries and to a lesser extent to any liberal who decided to vote for Biden rather than Sanders during the 2020 primaries.

#219 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-09-23 06:14 PM | Reply

Anything relating to promoting women's rights or minority rights immediately engenders a hugely defensive response from White Male SpeakSoftly.

#217 | Posted by snoofy

Like what?

You've been angry ever since I called you out for choosing to make climate change worse through crypto mining.

Now you're just like eberly, assigning all these offenses to me that I never did or said.

All I've said, and what I'll keep saying, is that all I care about is winning swing voters and keeping fascists out of power. While wokeness has good intentions, strategically it's a stupid way to gain the power to actually make the changes woke activists seek because it makes the left look insane.

#220 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-23 06:16 PM | Reply

Hmm, what you describe is pretty much what a lot of Bernie Bros did back in 2016 to any liberal who decided to vote for Clinton rather than Sanders during the primaries and to a lesser extent to any liberal who decided to vote for Biden rather than Sanders during the 2020 primaries.

#219 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday

Hmm turns out I was right in 2016. Dems nominated the only person on earth who couldnt beat donald trump. And here we are. Imagine what the world would be like if those "bernie bros" had been heeded instead of mocked in 2016.

#221 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-23 06:17 PM | Reply

I think that is the dynamic Eberly was tangently referring to in this post:

It's odd to see an extreme liberal see liberalism as ugly and scary.
Moderates are scared of liberalism and progressiveness?
I suppose some are but you can't forget lazy liberals either. They're lazy but they're upset when you drop causes like transgender and black ariel. They'll stay home if you cave.
I think Corky refers to them as "puritopians" meaning they are so fragile that if their party doesn't fight hard, they take their ball and go home.
You need them on election day.
#133 | POSTED BY EBERLY

In 2016 and 2020 liberals weren't liberal enough, according to some, because they weren't progressives.

#222 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-09-23 06:21 PM | Reply

As Tony put it ... ... "train wreck psychotic breakdown"

I think Tony is implying that happened recently.

I know better. It happened a long time ago. He just realized it.

#214 | Posted by eberly

I think you're referring to the end of my polite tolerance of conservatives. Yes that ended the day they elected a hateful criminal con man to the most powerful job in the world. I realized their stupidity was no longer something we could just laugh at. It had reached critical mass that now threatened the country and the world. And I was right. You called me hysterical at the time. But since I'm way smarter than you I could see what kind of damage trump would do to the country before he did it. A half million dead americans and 1 fascist coup attempt later, was I hysterical or were you just blind?

#223 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-23 06:22 PM | Reply

"Imagine what the world would be like if those "bernie bros" had been heeded instead of mocked in 2016."

Or imagine if more of them hadn't taken their balls and gone home by either not voting or by voting for Jill Stein despite Bernie begging them to vote for Hillary.

#224 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-09-23 06:23 PM | Reply

"Dems nominated the only person on earth who couldnt beat donald trump."

Uh-huh. Whatever gets you through the night.

#225 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-09-23 06:24 PM | Reply

I think you're referring to the end of my polite tolerance of conservatives. Yes that ended the day they elected a hateful criminal con man to the most powerful job in the world. I realized their stupidity was no longer something we could just laugh at. It had reached critical mass that now threatened the country and the world. And I was right. You called me hysterical at the time. But since I'm way smarter than you I could see what kind of damage trump would do to the country before he did it. A half million dead americans and 1 fascist coup attempt later, was I hysterical or were you just blind?
#223 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Okay, I gotta give you credit there. A lot of us were called hysterical who have since been proven right.

#226 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-09-23 06:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Bernie conceded, and supported what he thought best for the country. But his bros never did. Many still think the nomination was stolen and haven't got over it. A few of them post here.

#227 | Posted by horstngraben at 2022-09-23 06:29 PM | Reply

All I've said, and what I'll keep saying, is that all I care about is winning swing voters and keeping fascists out of power. While wokeness has good intentions, strategically it's a stupid way to gain the power to actually make the changes woke activists seek because it makes the left look insane.
POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2022-09-23 06:16 PM

That appeal to moderate and swing voters was the very rationale given by many who supported Clinton and Biden over Sanders. Just sayin'.

#228 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-09-23 06:32 PM | Reply

Uh-huh. Whatever gets you through the night.

#225 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday

Do you not recall hillary's unfavorable ratings? 57% in july of 2016. She was widely hated power hungry politician who was nominated because elites decided it was "her turn".

#229 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-23 06:33 PM | Reply

Bernie conceded, and supported what he thought best for the country. But his bros never did. Many still think the nomination was stolen and haven't got over it. A few of them post here.

#227 | Posted by horstngraben

Dont confuse his actual supporters with the proven russian propaganda bernie bros who worked to get the dem party to fight with itself. And it worked.

Putin's paid spammers didn't just support trump, they also put bernie and clinton supporters against each other.

#230 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-23 06:35 PM | Reply

Dont confuse his actual supporters with the proven russian propaganda bernie bros who worked to get the dem party to fight with itself. And it worked.
Putin's paid spammers didn't just support trump, they also put bernie and clinton supporters against each other.
POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Gotta agree with you there too.

#231 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-09-23 06:36 PM | Reply

#230

Fair point. However, we need to take most of the responsibility for the "efficacy" of Putin's troll farms. They plant the seed, but we bear the fruit.

But yeah, Putin's social manipulation scheme is working on several different layers.

#232 | Posted by horstngraben at 2022-09-23 06:43 PM | Reply

#231 Having said that, at the time Dems didn't realize who was egging them on and feeding the conflicts within the Democratic party. At the time the animosity was real, and some Bros did refuse to vote to Clinton as a matter of principle. Some even took pride in not doing so, either thinking that Trump wouldn't be so bad (and Hillary would have been worse), or if he was so bad, it would bring on the revolution sooner.

#233 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-09-23 06:44 PM | Reply

I'm sure most of Bernie supporters voted for Clinton. Would the puritopians have made a difference? I have no idea.

#234 | Posted by horstngraben at 2022-09-23 06:45 PM | Reply

"However, we need to take most of the responsibility for the "efficacy" of Putin's troll farms. They plant the seed, but we bear the fruit."

Yes, Putin's troll's didn't create the conflicts. We did that ourselves, and they exploited them.

#235 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-09-23 06:46 PM | Reply

"I think you're referring to the end of my polite tolerance of conservatives."

You don't seem to have much tolerance for people who think Disney is not doing anything wrong by re-making a movie with a black lead.
And you definitely can't stand people who affirmatively support Disney on this.

It sure seems like you only have tolerance for your own opinion.

#236 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-23 09:08 PM | Reply

"I'm sure most of Bernie supporters voted for Clinton. Would the puritopians have made a difference? I have no idea."

Bernie just didn't do as well in 2020 as 2016, about ten points worse, when his mainstream opponent wasn't Hillary.

I say misogyny is the #1 reason why.
The kind of misogyny that surfaces when a white woman is replaced with a black woman.
The kind of misogyny that doesn't surface when a white man was replaced with a black man, by another major studio, just a few years prior.

#237 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-23 09:14 PM | Reply

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