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Friday, September 23, 2022

Last May a subvariant of the ever-evolving Omicron stunned Chris Goodnow, an internationally renowned immunologist. On May 26, Goodnow came down with a scratchy throat. Twelve days later his immune system had not cleared the virus. Then he got hit by congestive heart failure. He developed a chest cough and was breathless. His ankles swelled up. His acute myocarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle) was on the mild end of the spectrum but severe enough to reduce his mobility and working life.

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The extremely fit Australian scientist, who hiked, biked and surfed at Sydney's Manly Beach, had been bolstered by four doses of vaccine. Having spent nearly four decades studying how white blood cells in the immune system protect us from infection, he felt pretty safe about removing his mask.

Like many scientists Goodnow assumed that any infection after vaccination would be mild; that reinfections would largely be asymptomatic; that COVID would behave like a cold after vaccination; and that variant-specific vaccines would deliver us from the pandemic.

But Goodnow now considers these assumptions wrong and has set about debunking myths that "many of us, myself included, have entertained more than we should have," he writes. He now joins a growing cadre of scientific experts sounding new alarms about COVID, the "so many others" he says, who "are working hard to stop endless waves of reinfection."

The first myth that Goodnow wants debunked is probably the most common, that COVID is just a cold. But colds don't behave the way COVID does in the body. Colds, for example, don't leave 2.3 per cent of athletes with inflamed hearts after infection, as tests found at 10 U.S. universities. Nor do colds worsen outcomes with each subsequent infection, as Goodnow and others worry may be the case with COVID.

"The risk of cardiovascular disease, for example, increased after one infection, but doubled in people who had two infections, and tripled in those who had been infected thrice."

Similar risks were found for heart disease, blood clotting problems, brain decline and diabetes. Nor did vaccines seem to help in preventing these problems, which most frequently occur up to six months after infection. "Every time you dip your bucket in that COVID well, you've got the same chance of a whole lot of bad things happening," explained Goodnow, who considers the veterans study "really important real-world data."

His takeaway: "COVID-19 is not just a cold, and having it before doesn't get it over with.'"

He continues on with a number of other mythbusters: Covid is not a "one and done" virus; Vaccines don't stop transmissions; and Variant specific vaccines/boosters are no silver bullets. So regardless of what you may have heard, continue to stay mitigation vigilant - especially heading into our normal cold and flu season - and realize that Covid is still spreading far beyond the publicized daily counts because most people who get infected now test at home and are not represented in the published numbers of confirmed infections.

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-09-23 11:47 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Wear a mask. Don't get Covid, especially not repeatedly.

#2 | Posted by bored at 2022-09-23 12:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Tangentially related...

Common gene variant linked to COVID mortality
www.sciencedaily.com

...It may be the most baffling quirk of COVID: What manifests as minor, flu-like symptoms in some individuals spirals into severe disease, disability, and even death in others. A new paper published in Nature may explain the genetic underpinnings of this dichotomy.

The researchers demonstrated that mice with gene variants previously linked to Alzheimer's disease were at greater risk of dying when infected with COVID. And a retrospective analysis suggests that patients with those same gene variants were more likely to have died of COVID throughout the pandemic. Because three percent of the world population possesses these gene variants, the findings may have implications for hundreds of millions of individuals globally.

"It is clear that age, sex, and certain preconditions such as diabetes increase the risk of detrimental outcomes, but these factors don't fully explain the spectrum of COVID outcomes," says Sohail Tavazoie, the Leon Hess Professor at The Rockefeller University. "This is the first time that we've seen such a common genetic variant associated with COVID mortality."...



#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-09-23 12:58 PM | Reply

Someone email this article to madbomber. King "it's just a cold. I didn't die from it so it's not a big deal" himself.

#4 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-23 03:18 PM | Reply

Someone email this article to madbomber.

He'd just post a link to an M50 gas mask.

#5 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-09-23 03:20 PM | Reply

@#1 ... realize that Covid is still spreading far beyond the publicized daily counts because most people who get infected now test at home and are not represented in the published numbers of confirmed infections. ...

That's an important observation.

Here in Connecticut, the state-reported COVID rate has been hovering around 10% (plus or minus a couple %'s), currently 10.2% with 370 people in the hospital.

However, due to the home tests that are not reported to the state, some have said that the actual COVID rate could be double the state-reported rate.

#6 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-09-23 04:10 PM | Reply

That's an important observation.

#6 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER AT 2022-09-23 04:10 PM | REPLY

It sure as hell is, considering the President doesn't agree with either of you.

#7 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2022-09-23 05:14 PM | Reply

It sure as hell is, considering the President doesn't agree with either of you.

#7 | Posted by lfthndthrds

You complain about him when he says the pandemic is still going, you complain about him when he says it's over. Tell me what biden could say about covid that you WOULDNT complain about. Cure it with horse paste?

#8 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-23 05:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Reads like my first case of Covid, in January, 2020. Really bad. I'm now home with my second dose (thanks classmates from my HS reunion last weekend). Covid ain't no joke. And I'm as vaxxed as can be...

#9 | Posted by catdog at 2022-09-23 06:11 PM | Reply

If you live life like covid is over, you're going to get covid. And each time you catch it you're spinning the roulette wheel of long term health effects, no matter what kind of shape you're in or what age you are.

#10 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-23 06:24 PM | Reply

You complain about him when he says the pandemic is still going, you complain about him when he says it's over. Tell me what biden could say about covid that you WOULDNT complain about. Cure it with horse paste?

#8 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2022-09-23 05:33 PM | REPLY

I'm not complaining about a damn thing. I'm merely pointing out that the president doesn't agree with you and now vice versa. Your party can't keep it's own storyline straight.

#11 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2022-09-23 07:15 PM | Reply

I'm merely pointing out that the president doesn't agree with you and now vice versa. Your party can't keep it's own storyline straight.

The president said the pandemic is over. The president did not say Covid is over, or that it is not a threat. Just because crazy people who worship orange conmen can't process complex concepts (you can make a square peg fit into a round hole if you push hard enough, so even that problem isn't safe from wingnuts), doesn't mean the rest of the sane population of America doesn't understand that both things can exist at the same time (Covid is still dangerous and infection rates are below pandemic levels - the AIDS pandemic is over too, but AIDS still exists)

Pandemic response isn't typically a Party line concept, but "your side" made it one and the numbers are pretty demonstrative whose "side" is better off. Your "side" has fewer people now, your cult leader doesn't care if you die off because you're stupid.

500 people a day die of Covid still. Acceptable numbers for some. It's the long-haulers that are going to really spice things up.

#12 | Posted by chuffy at 2022-09-23 09:02 PM | Reply

Your party can't keep it's own storyline straight.
#11 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

Still choosing ignorance. Pathetic.

Swallow it.

#13 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2022-09-23 09:16 PM | Reply

Lmao. Now we're comparing Covid to AIDS. Carry on with your hysteria.

#14 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2022-09-23 09:16 PM | Reply

Covid is worse than AIDS. Far more contagious. Far more likely to infect everyone and not just ------ and needle addicts.

#15 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-09-23 10:03 PM | Reply

"Someone email this article to madbomber. King "it's just a cold. I didn't die from it so it's not a big deal" himself."

I'm right here, princess.

Since April, there may have been one month that has gone by where someone in my family didn't have COVID.

#16 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-09-24 02:09 AM | Reply

"He'd just post a link to an M50 gas mask."

I'm just trying to help those that would help themselves:)

#17 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-09-24 02:09 AM | Reply

"However, due to the home tests that are not reported to the state, some have said that the actual COVID rate could be double the state-reported rate."

I don't know what the regs are in the US, or what they look like by state, but here in Germany a lot of people have stopped testing. In every COVID experience I'm aware of, the virus resembled allergies or a slight cold. Not anything you would concern yourself with.

#18 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-09-24 02:12 AM | Reply

"If you live life like covid is over, you're going to get covid."

COVID may never be over. If you want to lock yourself away or get off the grid, cool. I wish you the best.

But I'm not going to. COVID is something we will be living with. Maybe forever.

#19 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-09-24 02:14 AM | Reply

Most importantly, we must keep emergency powers in place at all levels of government, including measures that made the 2020 election impossible validate and audit.

#20 | Posted by visitor_ at 2022-09-24 03:01 AM | Reply

Most importantly, we must keep emergency powers in place at all levels of government, including measures that made the 2020 election impossible validate and audit.

#21 | Posted by visitor_ at 2022-09-24 03:03 AM | Reply

Most importantly, we must keep emergency powers in place at all levels of government, including measures that made the 2020 election impossible validate and audit.

#22 | Posted by visitor_ at 2022-09-24 03:03 AM | Reply

More Alex Jones crap.

Shouldn't you be out preppin your doom room?

#23 | Posted by horstngraben at 2022-09-24 04:08 AM | Reply

But I'm not going to. COVID is something we will be living with. Maybe forever.

#19 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Or die with.

Isn't Freedom wonderful?

Just try and be a responsible citizen and don't make it any worse than it already is.

Thanks.

#24 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-09-24 10:13 AM | Reply

COVID is something we will be living with. Maybe forever.
#19 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Polio too.
Thanks to attitudes like yours.
Coulda beat it, but you'd rather we don't

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-24 10:15 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It sure as hell is, considering the President doesn't agree with either of you.

#7 | Posted by lfthndthrds

Oh noes!! Joey isn't perfect!! But he is light years better than the Previous Guy. We ALL want it to be over. But it will probably be with us forever now. Thanks to the lack of foresight of the Previous Guy.

Btw-The Dems have already walked back this little gaff.

#26 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-09-24 10:37 AM | Reply

So, that article is a bit out of date. The new boosters aren't targeted at BA.1, they're targeted at BA.4 and BA.5. The BA.1 booster was never approved.

It's not likely to be a 'one and done' booster, but until there's a new variant they should be good enough for a while.

As of now, I'm probably going to stop wearing masks in public at least temporarily in a couple weeks, once the booster I got a few days ago has time to kick in.

#27 | Posted by DarkVader at 2022-09-24 12:10 PM | Reply

COVID is something we will be living with. Maybe forever.

Thanks entirely to a**ho**s like you.

#28 | Posted by chuffy at 2022-09-24 03:38 PM | Reply

including measures that made the 2020 election impossible validate and audit.
#22 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

The Republican Party should conduct more audits to prove Biden won.

I loved reading over and over again that Trump lost the election.

It was the gift that kept on giving.

Amazing what sore losers Republicans are.

#29 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-09-24 04:35 PM | Reply

" measures that made the 2020 election impossible validate and audit."

Sorry pal, that line is 0-60 in court.

#30 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-09-24 05:48 PM | Reply

@#27 ... The new boosters aren't targeted at BA.1, they're targeted at BA.4 and BA.5....

Coronavirus (COVID-19) Update: FDA Authorizes Moderna, Pfizer-BioNTech Bivalent COVID-19 Vaccines for Use as a Booster Dose
www.fda.gov

...Today, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration amended the emergency use authorizations (EUAs) of the Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine and the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine to authorize bivalent formulations of the vaccines for use as a single booster dose at least two months following primary or booster vaccination. The bivalent vaccines, which we will also refer to as "updated boosters," contain two messenger RNA (mRNA) components of SARS-CoV-2 virus, one of the original strain of SARS-CoV-2 and the other one in common between the BA.4 and BA.5 lineages of the omicron variant of SARS-CoV-2. ...

#31 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-09-24 07:06 PM | Reply

Pfizer-BioNTech Bivalent COVID-19 Vaccines...

Stay away from those! I got one the other day and it's totally not compatible with iOS 16.02.

#32 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-09-24 07:36 PM | Reply

@#32 ... it's totally not compatible with iOS 16.02. ...

Yeah, 'tis a shame the FDA did not mention that one should not inject the bivalent COVID vaccine into a smartphone.

Thoughts and prayers for your phone....


#33 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-09-24 07:48 PM | Reply

Yeah, 'tis a shame the FDA did not mention that one should not inject the bivalent COVID vaccine into a smartphone.

They did mention that it did not contain peanuts.

#34 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-09-24 07:53 PM | Reply

"Coulda beat it, but you'd rather we don't"

So to what extents do you go to "beat" it?

The Chinese are pursuing a horribly draconian zero COVID policy and they haven't been able to beat it.

#35 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-09-25 09:22 AM | Reply

"Thanks entirely to a**ho**s like you."

There were several hundred thousand of us at Canstatter Wassen last night. Maybe other hundred thousand at Oktoberfest in Munich.

Did you ever consider that maybe you're the outlier? A member of a rather small group of people who think society should be locked down?

Why not do the right thing and lock yourself down.

#36 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-09-25 09:23 AM | Reply

"You complain about him when he says the pandemic is still going, you complain about him when he says it's over."

The other guy got these complaints and still gets them and He's the one that started Operation Warp Speed.

Bitem claimed he was gonna end the covid cuz da buck stop dare.

Fact is we *still can't agree where and how it started.

#37 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2022-09-25 10:39 AM | Reply

"Coulda beat it, but you'd rather we don't"

So to what extents do you go to "beat" it?

The Chinese are pursuing a horribly draconian zero COVID policy and they haven't been able to beat it.

#35 | Posted by madbomber

And yet they had way less deaths per capita than we did because they didn't have a leader calling it a hoax and people refusing masks and vaccinations to prove their loyalty to him.

#38 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-25 03:58 PM | Reply

Bitem claimed he was gonna end the covid cuz da buck stop dare.

Fact is we *still can't agree where and how it started.

#37 | Posted by phesterOBoyle

What should bitem have done to make all the trumpers get vaccinated?

#39 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-25 03:58 PM | Reply

And yet they had way less deaths per capita than we did because they didn't have a leader calling it a hoax and people refusing masks and vaccinations to prove their loyalty to him.
#38 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

It's even worse than that: "I purposefully downplayed the virus." -- COVI-Donald

Everyone here needs to swallow it.

#40 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2022-09-25 09:25 PM | Reply

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