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Friday, September 23, 2022

The first full day of Russia's first mobilisation since the second world war produced emotional showdowns at draft centres and even signs of protest, while it appears Russia could be considering far more than the 300,000 new conscripts claimed by the defence minister, Sergei Shoigu.

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...Some think it could be far higher. The independent Russian newspaper Novaya Gazeta Europe reported that a source in the presidential administration said Russia was seeking to draft more than 1 million people into the army. That reporting has not been confirmed by other news outlets.

But video and anecdotal evidence from around Russia has shown large drafts taking place even in small towns, suggesting that the numbers could be far higher.

Many are in Russia's ethnic minority republics, reinforcing a sense that the country has been disproportionately relying on ethnic minorities to provide its main fighting force in Ukraine. Those regions have also suffered a disproportionate number of deaths and casualties from the war....



#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-09-23 04:14 PM | Reply

It's mayhem. Here's a dirty secret of Russia conscription. All those middle aged Moscow guys? They bought their way out of the conscription with a "conscript pass". Their assigned command pocketed the money. Now they have to go to the front with training and equipment they don't have despite being listed as trained specialists. Tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands, in this situation since the 300k mobilization looks more like a 1,000,000 conscript goal. "Scraping the barrel". They've pulled in everybody with disabilities including a wheelchair bound, diabetic retired general. If you registered to vote in DPR or LPR, you woke up this morning to press-gang conscription at gunpoint to reinforce battalions with over 50% losses used as cannon fodder.

In the NE, Lyman is almost encircled and Ukraine keeps pressing towards critical junctions as the offensive has consolidated and moved on. The Russian commander sent to take over was hit with a HIMARS. He lived, but he's out of action.

Recruitment officers taking bribes are the new Oligarchy.

#2 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2022-09-23 04:17 PM | Reply

#2 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

Did you see the photo of conscripts marching through a Russian town all equipped with rifles built with technology from before WW1 since that's all they have available?

And I've also seen many rumors that conscription is relatively light in Moscow and other major cities but almost universal in outside ethnic states - with rumors swirling that Putin is going for a two-fer: ethnic cleansing inside Russian borders and turning unwanteds into cannon fodder.

#3 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-09-23 04:37 PM | Reply

Here's the photo. "Nagant/Mosin rifles, designed in 1890/91, and obsolete already at the times of WWII."

#4 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-09-23 04:39 PM | Reply

Got to the next tweet and found this:

An important correction: this photo [above] is from the year 2020, a cosplay for a parade. Still, Nagant/Mosin is massively used by Russian occupation forces in "LDNR" as long as it were the forcibly conscripted locals, see the photos attached. Russia did not have assault rifles for them.

twitter.com

As Emily Litella used to say, "Never mind."

#5 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-09-23 04:43 PM | Reply

partial mobilisation is a lie.

It's a lie same as when they told ill prepared soldiers they were just going to get some training.

Ukrainian troops are now all battle harder veterans with all the best weapons.

The only hope these green russians have is to surrender soon as they can and spend the rest of the war in a polish POW camp.

#6 | Posted by Tor at 2022-09-23 05:01 PM | Reply

Someone should take this opportunity to attack russia from another direction.

#7 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-23 05:31 PM | Reply

Did you see the photo of conscripts marching through a Russian town all equipped with rifles built with technology from before WW1 since that's all they have available?
#3 | POSTED BY TONYROMA AT 2022-09-23 04:37 PM | FLAG:

A Mosin-Nagant is quite deadly in trained hands. WW1 rifles are lethal out to 1000 meters, whereas an AK or AR is optimized for 400 meters.

Moscow turned out 70k conscripts.

There's a bunch of videos the conscripts are posting absolutely hammered drunk as they're rounded up and marched off.

#8 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2022-09-23 05:50 PM | Reply

Lambs to slaughter. I'll wager the Ukrainians will be merciless on these new 'recruits' so as to sow terror in the ranks and in the general population of Russians. Vlad thinks that by giving out jive awards that worked in WWII and a couple of kopeks to the families of dead fathers, uncles and sons he can keep the populace placated. That will not happen. Someone's going to take a bullet, and that someone is a friend of a corpulent orange insurrectionist. Any guesses?

#9 | Posted by catdog at 2022-09-23 06:07 PM | Reply

This has got to collapse in chaos BEFORE winter from the looks of those kids and their equipment. Hopefully Putin will go with them. Even if someone worse takes over, the only working arms they'll have are nuclear, if they are even being maintained. Good old Russia, menacing the world again like never before.

#10 | Posted by Yodagirl at 2022-09-23 06:58 PM | Reply

I see that there's some protests, but I'm kinda amazed that Russians are so cowed or brainwashed that they're even this willing to send their husbands, fathers, brothers, and sons off to be slaughtered for Moscow Midget's "glory." I would have expected mass civil disobedience and the Kremlin to be in flames at this point.

#11 | Posted by censored at 2022-09-23 07:17 PM | Reply

If you expected that you're as stupid as I have always figured.

This isn't over. How it will play out is still unknown.

Russia still has cards to play.

#12 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-09-23 10:09 PM | Reply

Take a look at the list of countries that hate Putin and those who support him.

en.wikipedia.org

Stupid putin is losing this war faster every day.

#13 | Posted by Tor at 2022-09-24 01:34 AM | Reply

Maybe. I just don't know what's happening.

But I do know that mass revolt in wartime is Not. Going. To . Happen. Not in the US, think Iraq. Not in Germany,think WW2,not in Russia today.

That is Fantasy. Wishful thinking.

It's time to negotiate,even if the outcome is repugnant to many.

Good peace settlements make both parties unhappy.

Nobody really wins. That's why it won't happen and nuclear war is actually more likely.

Both sides are committed to total victory.

Kiss your ass goodbye.

#14 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-09-24 03:45 AM | Reply

Both sides are committed to total victory.

Now that you have identified a problem what's the solution?

One side seeks sovereign integrity while the other seeks sovereign domination.

How is that conundrum resolved? Integrity or domination?

#15 | Posted by et_al at 2022-09-24 04:24 AM | Reply

If you expected that you're as stupid as I have always figured.
#12 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER

You, the person who back in early February was calling the Russian advancement a training exercise, have no room to call anyone else stupid.

#16 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2022-09-24 10:00 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

I was hoping that there would be no war. It was wishful thinking on my part. I was obviously wrong.
Wishful thinking seems to be all the Rage now.

This war is going to escalate,not be resolved by negotiations and there will be no internal Russian revolt either.

I see no good outcome for either side. Just more death and horrors perpetrated by both sides as they get more desperate.

Maybe the UN could get involved?

Somebody's gotta blink soon or this is going to get unbelievably ugly.

WW3 type ugly.

#17 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-09-24 10:49 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"both sides"

^
---- off back to Russia.

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-24 10:54 AM | Reply

there will be no internal Russian revolt either.

#17 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER

I don't know why not. All the elements are there.

#19 | Posted by Zed at 2022-09-24 10:55 AM | Reply

#19 It's because clumsy Russian revolutionaries keep falling down stairs and out of windows.

#20 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-24 10:58 AM | Reply

See, total war Mindset. That's the problem.

Somebody's got to give up something.

Ideally it would be Russia just pulling out and giving up.

That won't happen. So what would?

Some kind of compromise. Russia withdraws to 2014 positions and Ukraine agrees to not join NATO.

Outside observers are stationed in Ukraine to keep the peace.

Both sides agree to abide by the deal.

Too many people have already died. Too many outside interests are pushing for a particular outcome.

This won't be resolved by a ceasefire.

It will be resolved by force of arms.

#21 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-09-24 11:06 AM | Reply

"Ideally it would be Russia just pulling out and giving up."

According to you, that would mean the Nazis win.

#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-24 11:29 AM | Reply

Somebody's got to give up something.

21 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER

No.

There's always status quo ante bellum.

#23 | Posted by Zed at 2022-09-24 11:36 AM | Reply

That's essentially a Ukrainian win. Not ideal. But still, Russia gets nothing. If they get nothing there's no incentive for them to pull back voluntarily. It's not going to happen.

Just get gaurantees from NATO and the Ukraine that Ukraine really will NEVER JOIN NATO. And at least a cease fire and possible partial withdrawal could be possible if really skillful diplomats arranged it.

Even this would be a very bitter pill for the Ukraine and NATO which has put it's whole credibility on the line.

Which is why it won't happen. Both sides won't give up anything.

NATO is essentially calling for Unconditional Surrender from Russia.

That's why World War is coming.

#24 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-09-24 11:47 AM | Reply

That's why World War is coming.

Vlad wanted a legacy, I guess that will be it. Wanted to recreate the USSR and got kicked in the nuts bigly instead.

#25 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-09-24 11:51 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"NATO is essentially calling for Unconditional Surrender from Russia."
Anybody with a brain is calling for that.

"That's why World War is coming."
You know what the outcome of World War will be?
NATO calling for Unconditional Surrender from Russia.

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-24 11:58 AM | Reply

Now that other nations are refusing to accommodate Russian draft-dodgers, maybe Russians will decide to put up a bit more of a fight rather than just voting with their feet.

When Pootey started his invasion, I called this war another Afghanistan for Russia. Looks like I was being far too charitable to Russia as I underestimated its incompetence.

Seeing the failure that is Russia's military, Sweden should reclaim St. Petersburg just for craps and giggles. What's Russia going to do about it? Send some untrained and unarmed conscripts to bleed all over the land?

#27 | Posted by censored at 2022-09-24 12:12 PM | Reply

Hope they filled their pockets with seeds.

#28 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-09-24 02:17 PM | Reply

#27 No they will nuke western cities if they feel they have nothing to lose. You are too stupid as usual to see how dangerous this whole thing is. Compromise is the way out. Not total war. But it's probably too late for that.

This whole war could have been avoided.

I don't see reason from either side. I just hope if the Russians lose big they think about the earth itself and capitulate without nuking anyone. They are far more likely to do that than the West would be if they lost.

America has used nukes on civilians.

Has Russia? Has anyone else?

But we're the moral ones here.

Right?

#29 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-09-24 02:41 PM | Reply

America has used nukes on civilians.

Has Russia? Has anyone else?

But we're the moral ones here.

Right?

#29 | Posted by Effeteposer

America's nukes saved the lives of everyone japan would have killed in their obsessive quest to invade the east.

Russia's nukes would be used to kill people to help russia invade a free country.

Have you gotten your draft papers yet? Are you going to break your own arm like a coward or go die for your master?

#30 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-24 02:58 PM | Reply

This whole war could have been avoided.

#29 | Posted by Effeteposer

Yeah. By putin. Who is also the only man who can end it.

If you want the war to end, you cowards need to rise up and overthrow him.

#31 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-24 02:59 PM | Reply

"Ideally it would be Russia just pulling out and giving up."

Or Russians dying to the point where they are no longer an effective fighting force.

Russia is literally using some of the same weapons they used in WWII. And that's before the mass mobilization order last week.

What do you think the Russian army is going to be equipping its' new troops with?

I'm guessing one guy will get the gun, the guy next to him will get a round of ammunition.

But both will die.

#32 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-09-25 10:16 AM | Reply

"Both sides agree to abide by the deal."

Didn't both sides agree to the deal under which Ukraine would give up its nuclear weapons in return for security guarantees?

#33 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-09-25 10:17 AM | Reply

Didn't both sides agree to accept and implement the Minsk accords? Oops. Autonomy for the Donbass in exchange for demilitarization.

The Ukrainian's just kept shelling. Mostly civilian targets.

That's why we're here now.

#34 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-09-25 10:36 AM | Reply

"The Ukrainian's just kept shelling. Mostly civilian targets."

So did the DPR. Most notably as they took over the international airport.

"That's why we're here now."

We are here now because Russia lost. They are a pariah state. They have no cultural exports. Nobody admires Russia, even when the occasionally should be admired.

They're just a bigger version of North Korea.

#35 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-09-25 11:41 AM | Reply

You Are an anti Russian bigot. Nothing more.

#36 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-09-25 11:49 AM | Reply

"You Are an anti Russian bigot. Nothing more."

Yeah.

I studied Russian language and culture as a minor when I was an undergrad.

In fact I was a pretty big fan of Putin, right up until Feb 2022. Having spent time in the desert when the US was slobbering over the "Arab Spring," I think he was one of the few people who actually understood the ground truth in the region. Not that Putin is any fan of democracy, but I think he understood that, barring totalitarian rule, you get ISIS in the middle east and North Africa.

I'm still not totally convinced that Putin is running the show. I think it's entirely possible that some extremist faction is pulling the strings somewhow. And let's also not forget that in places like Iraq, Syria, Egypt, and Libya, the dictator that the US and its allies overthrew was far less malevolent than what replaced them.

If I lived in the middle east, I'd be praying that the US didn't come "liberate" me.

If I were ISIS, I would be praying that they did.

#37 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-09-25 01:42 PM | Reply

We agree on something. Sorry I called you an anti Russia bigot. You're right about the ME.

#38 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-09-25 02:25 PM | Reply

We agree on something. Sorry I called you an anti Russia bigot. You're right about the ME.

#39 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-09-25 02:25 PM | Reply

Didn't both sides agree to accept and implement the Minsk accords? Oops. Autonomy for the Donbass in exchange for demilitarization.

The Ukrainian's just kept shelling. Mostly civilian targets.

That's why we're here now.

#34 | Posted by Effeteposer

The minsk accords, you mean the result of putin's first attempt to steal land from ukraine?

#40 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-25 04:11 PM | Reply

You Are an anti Russian bigot. Nothing more.

#36 | Posted by Effeteposer

Or maybe we're just anti fascism. Putin started a war to take over ukraine, end its democracy and bring it into russian fascism.

#41 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-25 04:12 PM | Reply

Are Russian soldiers getting group discounts for cremations?

Or does Putin just expect Ukraine to do that for free?

#42 | Posted by Tor at 2022-09-25 04:56 PM | Reply

SPEAKS

"Putin started a war to take over ukraine, end its democracy and bring it into russian fascism."

Not to mention using Ukraine as a jumping off point to restore Russia to its former power and glory once held by the U.S.S.R. . . . . and, of course, cement his own legacy as the greatest leader in Russian history before (he kids the bucket.)

Looks like that's all down the drain now. No wonder he's so pissed off. When the chips are down . . . (really down) . . . some guys just can't do anything right.

Who does that remind you of?

#43 | Posted by Twinpac at 2022-09-25 05:11 PM | Reply

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