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Saturday, September 24, 2022

Ukrainians have reported armed soldiers going door-to-door in occupied parts of the country to collect votes for self-styled "referendums" on joining Russia.

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..."You have to answer verbally and the soldier marks the answer on the sheet and keeps it," one woman in Enerhodar told the BBC.

In southern Kherson, Russian guardsmen stood with a ballot box in the middle of the city to collect people's votes.

The door-to-door voting is for "security", Russian state media says.

"In-person voting will take place exclusively on 27 September," Tass reported. "On the other days, voting will be organised in communities and in a door-to-door manner."

One woman in Melitopol told the BBC that two local "collaborators" arrived with two Russian soldiers at her parents' flat, to give them a ballot to sign.

"My dad put 'no' [to joining Russia]," the woman said. "My mum stood nearby, and asked what would happen for putting 'no'. They said, 'Nothing'.

"Mum is now worried that the Russians will persecute them."

The woman also said there was one ballot for the entire household, rather than per person.

Although the evidence is anecdotal, the presence of armed men conducting the vote contradicts Moscow's insistence that this is a free or fair process.

What Russia wants from the votes in occupied Ukraine

Experts say the self-styled referendums, taking place across five days, will allow Russia to claim - illegally - four occupied or partially-occupied regions of Ukraine as their own.

In other words, a false vote on annexation, seven months into Russia's invasion.

The self-styled "annexation" could lead to Russia claiming that its territory is under attack from Western weapons supplied to Ukraine, which could escalate the war further....



#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-09-23 03:39 PM | Reply

To be fair, I understand that the voters are being offered the choice of McDonald's Coupons or being shot.

Shout out to the Ayatollah Abbot and Herr DuhSantis.

#2 | Posted by Corky at 2022-09-23 08:36 PM | Reply

@#1 ... The self-styled "annexation" could lead to Russia claiming that its territory is under attack from Western weapons supplied to Ukraine, which could escalate the war further.... ...

I've noted this earlier as a reason for the annexation vote.

Pres Putin is looking to escalate the war.

#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-09-24 11:16 AM | Reply

Duh, did you figure that out all on your own?

Gee, how insightful.

Of course he's looking to escalate. It's a direct response to the NATO arming and coordinating of the Ukrainian's war effort.

NATO has been escalating steadily since the war began. At this point it's really a NATO war.

Why don't they just go in with troops?

It's obviously coming.

#4 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-09-24 11:25 AM | Reply

@#4 ... how insightful. ...

Why, thank-you.

... NATO has been escalating steadily since the war began. At this point it's really a NATO war. ...

NATO has been providing defense for Ukraine since Putin's invasion began. As much as your lame and failed attempts try to paint it as NATO's war, it is not, and was never, NATO's war.

It always was Pres Putin's unprovoked invasion of a sovereign Ukraine for the purpose of annexing and eliminating Ukraine. Pres Putin has written about doing this for years.

If Pres Putin had not invaded in the first place, then he would not have to be looking to escalate now.

#5 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-09-24 11:39 AM | Reply

It wasn't UNPROVOKED. Saying that like a mantra doesn't make it true. The Russians were very clear for years about NATO membership by Ukraine. They weren't bluffing, obviously.

Sure, NATO can stand on principle that the Ukrainian's can join whatever alliance they want. That led to war. And they KNEW it would.

That's provocation. If Cuba wanted to install nuclear missiles from Russia on their soil what would that be? It's their country? They have the right to ally with anyone they choose,right?

Would the US allow that?

We already know.

#6 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-09-24 12:00 PM | Reply

"It wasn't UNPROVOKED."

Would you say it was about as provoked as when the South started the Civil War?

#7 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-24 12:02 PM | Reply

"It wasn't UNPROVOKED."

Says every wife-beater and violent stalker.

#8 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-09-24 12:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The ewason Pitin would now consider nukes is because in a convevtional war Ukraine is winning and if Russia should lose Putin will be killed so he actually doesn't see a dpwnside to nuclear war. In the end he's a typical tyrsnt dictator not very different rom Hitler and deserves a similar fate.
The world will be a better place once he's dead.

#9 | Posted by danni at 2022-09-24 12:13 PM | Reply

The parallel is the Cuban missile crisis. The Cubans chose to allow Russian assets to be deployed in their territory.

That was their absolute right as a sovereign nation. The US went ------- and almost started a nuclear war over it.

The Russians are only human. They saw NATO expansion to the Ukraine as like the US saw Soviet missiles on Cuba.

Not Acceptable. A clear trigger for War.

Why was NATO so stupid not to see what would happen?

Or did they want proxy war?

Knowing their own people's wouldn't be getting involved directly as combatants.

I believe it was a cynical and knowing provocation to proxy war.


#10 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-09-24 12:15 PM | Reply

@#6 ... It wasn't UNPROVOKED ...

Yes, it was unprovoked. That is why I repeat it.

NATO is helping Ukraine defend itself.

If Pres Putin had not done this unprovoked invasion, Europe's war-footing would look very differently. Europe had been increasing social and economic ties with Russia, NATO was relaxing its military defenses.

Now, because of Pres Putin, all that has changed. Russia has become isolated, socially and economically. European nations are increasing their military resources. Two countries now want to join NATO, increasing NATO's border with Russia significantly. Pres Putin's concern about Ukraine joining NATO is probably not as significant when compared to the increase in NATO's defensive presence should those two countries join.

All because of Pres Putin's notion that Ukraine should not exist as a sovereign country, but be a part of Russia.

It was not, and is not, NATO's war.

It always was Pres Putin's unprovoked invasion of a sovereign Ukraine for the purpose of annexing and eliminating Ukraine. Pres Putin has written about doing this for years.

Pres Putin wants the old glory days of the USSR back. Unfortunately for him, many (most?) of the countries of the former USSR do not want to be under the Russia's thumb again.

Your continual deflection attempts with false equivalencies (this time with Cuba) aren't working, indeed, they are showing how weak your argument really is.





#11 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-09-24 12:18 PM | Reply

@#10 ... The parallel is the Cuban missile crisis. ...

That is a false equivalency.

Did the President of the United States write about Cuba and the United States really being one people, and that the United States should annex and eliminate the country of Cuba?

It isn't a parallel, it is yet another failed deflection attempt.

You really should ask your handler for better talking points.

#12 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-09-24 12:24 PM | Reply

'wasn't unprpvpked?"

Only a Russian propaganda poster would ever pretend such nonsense. EFETELIAR is, at least, consistent.

#13 | Posted by danni at 2022-09-24 12:25 PM | Reply

What was the Bay of Pigs? What is Gitmo? What is the Cuban embargo for the last 60 years?

Continual violations of Cuban sovereignity.

Why does that not outrage you? The US saw core security threats from Cuban autonomy and freedom of association with chosen allies.

It's hypocritical to blame Russia for similar actions.

This whole thing could have easily been avoided by not pushing NATO at Ukraine.

They had to know the Russians wouldn't stand for it.They were abundantly clear about it for years.

Putin called it the brightest of Red Lines.

Are NATO leaders Stupid? Or Arrogant?

#14 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-09-24 12:33 PM | Reply

The US has meddled and incited failed coup attempts in Cuba for decades. The CIA attempted to asassinate Castro numerous times. The US has maintained a trade embargo for 60 years.

The Bay of Pigs was a clear attempt to overthrow the existing government and determine the Cuban governmental outlook For Them.

The only reason the US didn't try to annex Cuba was a lack of cultural ties. And fear of UN condemnation.

The US annexed half of Mexico in 1846. After a successful aggressive war.

Is California American,or Mexican.

American hypocrisy has no limits.

#15 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-09-24 12:46 PM | Reply

The only reason the US didn't try to annex Cuba was a lack of cultural ties. And fear of UN condemnation.

#15 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER

When do you think the U.N. started?

#16 | Posted by Zed at 2022-09-24 12:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#14 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER

Classic Trumpist philosophy: Someone did something bad in the past and so we get to do something bad now.

#17 | Posted by Zed at 2022-09-24 12:56 PM | Reply

#16 Is a question that Republicans and Russian Assets -- but I repeat myself -- don't dare answer.

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-24 12:56 PM | Reply

@#15 ... The US has meddled and incited failed coup attempts in Cuba for decades. ...

I see you've provided no examples of an unprovoked invasion of Cuba by the US for the purpose of annexing and eliminating Cuba, nor have you provided an example of a US President writing about such a reason for an invasion.

As I said, you really need to ask your handler for better talking points, ones that are not obvious deflection attempts form Pres Putin's unprovoked invasion of a sovereign Ukraine for the purpose of annexing and eliminating it. Your current set of talking points is embarrassing to your alias.

If Pres Putin was so concerned about having NATO on its border should Ukraine have joined NATO (and it now has become quite obvious that Ukraine had good reason to join a defensive alliance), how concerned will he be if Sweden and Finland join NATO? Will he try to invade them as well? Is that why he is looking to escalate his unprovoked invasion of Ukraine?


#19 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-09-24 12:56 PM | Reply

Is California American,or Mexican.

#15 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER

American.

Your turn.

#20 | Posted by Zed at 2022-09-24 12:59 PM | Reply

Poor effeteloser. His boi Putin is just so misunderstood.

#21 | Posted by jpw at 2022-09-24 12:59 PM | Reply

@#21 ... His boi Putin is just so misunderstood. ...

I think that Pres Putin is trying to turn his unprovoked invasion into a defensive war for Russia, i.e., Russia is only trying to defend its territories.

That is why the "voting" in the occupied territories. Once those occupied territories are annexed, then Pres Putin can try to claim that his unprovoked invasion is really a defensive war to protect Russia.

I wonder what the outcome of the "voting" will be?

From #1

...One woman in Melitopol told the BBC that two local "collaborators" arrived with two Russian soldiers at her parents' flat, to give them a ballot to sign.

"My dad put 'no' [to joining Russia]," the woman said. "My mum stood nearby, and asked what would happen for putting 'no'. They said, 'Nothing'.

"Mum is now worried that the Russians will persecute them."

The woman also said there was one ballot for the entire household, rather than per person....



#22 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-09-24 01:25 PM | Reply

"NATO expansion to the Ukraine as like the US saw Soviet missiles on Cuba."

We did not arm Ukraine with nuclear weapons, which Ukraine had agreed to relinquish in 1992 in the same treary thar Russia promised it would never invade Ukrainian territory. Ukraine has not violated rhat treaty even after Russia did invade Ukrainian territory and murdered thousans of men, women and children. Now psycho Putin is threatening to use nukes on them because, even with many more troops and far superior weapons, because Ukraine is defeating Russia and that is humiliating to Putin. This terrible war is all because of his psychotic ego. No wonder his wife lives in Germany. He will die hated by his own people, just like Hitler. The irony of him pretending he was saving Ukrainians from Nazis is amazing. Truth is he is the Nazi.It's only a matter of time until the Russian people drag him out and hsng him. The soomrt the better.

now

#23 | Posted by danni at 2022-09-24 01:42 PM | Reply

PooteyPoser still keeping up his one-man, low-effort trolling? I'd say his time is better spent on other endeavors, but I tend to doubt that he actually has the mental acuity or ability to do anything more valuable with his time.

#24 | Posted by censored at 2022-09-24 02:16 PM | Reply

NATO is Not a Defensive alliance. Ask Quadiffi?,Oops, he's dead.

Ask Milosevic? Oops,he's dead too. All these leaders dead in unprovoked actions but somehow NATO isn't aggressive? Somehow it doesn't transgress on other non members sovereignity?

Russia has good reason to not want an offensive alliance in a country traditionally part of their core sphere of influence.

This isn't hard to understand unless one really wants to not understand it.

California was taken by force and totally annexed into the US proper. Should the US give it back and pay reparations to Mexico?

How about the whole of US territory,taken from native Americans by violence and genocide?

Should it all be returned and reparations paid to decendents of those who were stolen from?

Where does it stop? Why is successful conquest allowed to stand unquestioned?

Ukraine is historically not a viable state. It was Cobbled together from other states after the wars. Like Iraq was artificially created by the British.

The US certainly didn't respect Iraqi sovereignity. It wasn't annexed but if it was nearby and the Americans had wanted it,like Mexico was,it surely would have been.

War is always wrong.This war is no exception.

Conquest by Any nation is a crime. Too bad there's no real mechanism but more war to fix it.

America lives by war and economic domination of others. It's our pride and tradition.

The US hasn't signed on to join the international criminal court. If fact we scorn and decry it's ruling against anything we do.

Russia likewise. What jurisdiction but violence do we have over Russia's actions?

War is the only real solution.

But it's still a crime

#25 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-09-24 02:20 PM | Reply

Poor effeteloser. His boi Putin is just so misunderstood.

#21 | POSTED BY JPW

His boi is calling all Cossacks.

Maybe DeSatan can give him a McDonald's coupon and a Lyft to the front?

#26 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-09-24 02:20 PM | Reply

@#25 ... Russia has good reason to not want an offensive alliance in a country traditionally part of their core sphere of influence. ...

There's that ~Ukraine should not exist~ mantra that Pres Putin often spouts.


What other countries are in Pres Putin's target for invasion, annexation and elimination? I doubt he will stop with Ukraine.

#27 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-09-24 02:39 PM | Reply

Based on what? Anti Russian bigotry? This war was clearly provoked and abetted by NATO.

Russia voluntarily gave up the whole Soviet bloc and dismantled it's empire. The US saw this an opportunity to humiliate and corner Russia by pushing western reforms on an economy that was not ready for them. Putin is a child of this hubris.His rise to power was a result of Russian dissatisfaction with the western driven economic reforms and attempted control of Russian society.

Meddling and arrogance have costs. Ukraine is bearing the costs of western unwillingness to let Russia find it's own way.

I hope it was worth it. If instead of pompous meddling and economic coercion the US and NATO had left Russia to find it's own economic path forward after the Soviet Union disbanded, Putin would have found no traction with the Russian people.

In a very real sense Putin is unbridled capitalist Imperialism's, Frankenstein.

Now we face the rage of the monster our own policies created.

#28 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-09-24 02:59 PM | Reply

"Ukraine is bearing the costs of western unwillingness to let Russia find it's own way."

I see.
Russia is merely trying to find its own way.

Maybe they dropped it.
Maybe they think they dropped it somewhere in Ukraine.

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-24 03:03 PM | Reply

@#28 ... This war was clearly provoked and abetted by NATO. ...

You're back to that? Trying to blame Pres Putin's unprovoked invasion of a sovereign Ukraine on NATO?

Good luck with that.

Keep in mind that the war started when Pres Putin invaded Ukraine to eliminate Ukraine, as he for years has said he wanted to do.

You really need to ask for better talking points.



#30 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-09-24 03:05 PM | Reply

Dude you're like a broken record. Change it up a little, you're boring. And not convincing at all.

I'm not sure why they invaded. It was a terrible decision. So many killed for no good reason. But to say it was unprovoked is not the case at all.

Putin Wanted to join NATO,Clinton said if Russia joined there would be no reason for NATO to exist.

I guess if Putin have been allowed to join this wouldn't have happened.

Another bad choice by Bill Clinton. It's quite a list, let me tell you. Serbia, not allowing Russia to be considered for NATO membership, Waco, the Rwanda genocide that Clinton ignored.

That fool was maybe the stupidest man ever elected to high office.

He should have stayed in Arkansas and opened a repair shop. That way he could boned bimbos and ripped off customers instead of caused chaos internationally and at home.

#31 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-09-24 03:28 PM | Reply

Dude you're like a broken record. Change it up a little, you're boring. And not convincing at all.

I'm not sure why they invaded. It was a terrible decision. So many killed for no good reason. But to say it was unprovoked is not the case at all.

Putin Wanted to join NATO,Clinton said if Russia joined there would be no reason for NATO to exist.

I guess if Putin have been allowed to join this wouldn't have happened.

Another bad choice by Bill Clinton. It's quite a list, let me tell you. Serbia, not allowing Russia to be considered for NATO membership, Waco, the Rwanda genocide that Clinton ignored.

That fool was maybe the stupidest man ever elected to high office.

He should have stayed in Arkansas and opened a repair shop. That way he could boned bimbos and ripped off customers instead of caused chaos internationally and at home.

#32 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-09-24 03:28 PM | Reply

Dude you're like a broken record. Change it up a little, you're boring. And not convincing at all.

I'm not sure why they invaded. It was a terrible decision. So many killed for no good reason. But to say it was unprovoked is not the case at all.

Putin Wanted to join NATO,Clinton said if Russia joined there would be no reason for NATO to exist.

I guess if Putin have been allowed to join this wouldn't have happened.

Another bad choice by Bill Clinton. It's quite a list, let me tell you. Serbia, not allowing Russia to be considered for NATO membership, Waco, the Rwanda genocide that Clinton ignored.

That fool was maybe the stupidest man ever elected to high office.

He should have stayed in Arkansas and opened a repair shop. That way he could boned bimbos and ripped off customers instead of caused chaos internationally and at home.

#33 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-09-24 03:28 PM | Reply

Damn phone.

#34 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-09-24 03:29 PM | Reply

Russia voluntarily gave up the whole Soviet bloc and dismantled it's empire.

And Vlad mistakenly thought he could get it back. Oops.

#35 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-09-24 03:31 PM | Reply

Dude you're like a broken record.
#33 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER

My irony meter just crashed into a ditch and exploded.

#36 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-09-24 03:33 PM | Reply

Can you see the US doing that,under Any circumstances? We can't even Leave Iraq after 20 years and they've be asking for our departure officially for years.

Are we done there yet?

We left Afghanistan because the cost was too high to stay and we're so butthurt we're starving the Afghan people by Stealing their monetary reserves.

Iran has complied in full with the nuclear arms deal and we unilaterally imposed sanctions on them for non-compliance when WE pulled out,not them.

America can't be trusted at all. He can we reasonably hold others to a standard we ignore?


#37 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-09-24 03:41 PM | Reply

America can't be trusted at all. He can we reasonably hold others to a standard we ignore?

#37 | Posted by Effeteposer

Does america's leader jail or assassinate anyone who opposes his policies?

Does america's leader take over all media and shut down the internet to hide his actions from the public?

Does america's leader intentionally slaughter innocent civilians to steal and absorb their country?

No to all the above, so shut up ruskie.

#38 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-24 04:36 PM | Reply

@#31 ... Dude you're like a broken record. Change it up a little ...

Why?

Pres Putin did an unprovoked invasion of a sovereign Ukraine for the purpose of annexing and eliminating Ukraine.

I guess I could go into the realm of false-equivalency deflection attempts as your alias has been doing for months now. Much to its embarrassment.

But I prefer to stay with the short and accurate.

Pres Putin did an unprovoked invasion of a sovereign Ukraine for the purpose of annexing and eliminating Ukraine.


#39 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-09-24 06:41 PM | Reply

Hundreds arrested as Russian draft protests continue
www.bbc.com

...On the border with Georgia, queues of Russian cars stretch back more than 30km (18 miles) and the interior ministry has urged people not to travel.

Local Russian officials have admitted that there's been a significant influx of cars trying to cross - with nearly 2,500 vehicles waiting at one checkpoint.

The admission is a change of tone from Russia, with the Kremlin describing reports of Russians fleeing conscription as "fake" on Thursday.

Meanwhile, Finland has also seen a sharp increase in the number of Russians seeking to enter the country.

Matti Pitkaniitty, a spokesperson for the country's Border Guard, said said the number of Russians arriving had more than doubled since last week. ...


Wait, what? Finland is looking to oin NATO, Russia's enemy, according to Pres Putin. So why are Russians seeking to enter Finland?


#40 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-09-24 08:08 PM | Reply

Hey russians why don't you volunteer to serve in Ukraine?

#41 | Posted by Tor at 2022-09-24 08:19 PM | Reply

"Putin Wanted to join NATO,Clinton said if Russia joined there would be no reason for NATO to exist.
"

The obvious truth to everyone except a sychophantic Putin ass kisser.

#42 | Posted by danni at 2022-09-25 09:12 AM | Reply

If Russia had joined NATO this war would not be happening. NATO is an anti Russia alliance. It's only purpose to keep Russia in a Corner with missiles pointed at it.

Then people wonder why the Russians move to stymie it's expansion into their traditional space.

No ability to see the world from their perspective at all. That's the problem.

War is extreme and probably totally counterproductive, they could have resisted in less violent and destructive ways.

Just shutting off the gas to Europe without invading Ukraine after sanctions were threatened for example.

Anyway, that's all moot now.

War it is.

I hope Europe and humanity survive.

#43 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-09-25 09:41 AM | Reply

"The Russians were very clear for years about NATO membership by Ukraine. They weren't bluffing, obviously."

The Russians can go ---- themselves if they don't like it.

This isn't about aggressive NATO expansion. NATO expanded because countries wanted to join NATO. Because they didn't want to be part of that ------, poor, third world empire that dominates the wastelands east of Europe.

Your position seems to be the Ukraine should stay stupid for the sake of placating a stupid neighbor.

#44 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-09-25 10:37 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

By golly, there are things MB and I can agree on. Who woulda thunk?

#45 | Posted by horstngraben at 2022-09-25 10:41 AM | Reply

As for Russia expanding the war...they can't even get across Ukraine. So where would they go?

Not Finland. The Finns have pulled a Ukraine on the commies more than once. And that's when they didn't have another Ukraine going on. The Baltics? Cool. Do it. Maybe the armies stop somewhere west of Moscow. Maybe not. But if you game this out, there is no rational outcome where Russia comes out of this conflict in a better position than they were in on Feb 21st. Most rational scenarios do have outcomes where western Europe is in a better position than it was on that same date.

#46 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-09-25 10:44 AM | Reply

No, my position is that Ukraine could integrate with the West without NATO. NATO is not a defensive alliance, it is an anti Russia alliance. NATO has repeated bombed and attacked non member states. NATO membership is not the same as West looking policies and economic development. NATO is a military alliance,nothing more. Ukraine could have cleaned up it's act and joined the EU.They can trade freely with anyone they want.

Russia drew the line at Missiles and offensive weapons being deployed against them from the Ukraine.

The US would have done exactly the same thing in Russia's place and you know it.

#47 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-09-25 10:47 AM | Reply

"NATO is not a defensive alliance, it is an anti Russia alliance."

Really?

Do you think that Finland and Sweden simply became belligerent towards Russia in the last few months.

I spent last week in Finland chatting with some of their fighter pilots. Up until the 1990s they operated MiG-21s. I asked why they would fly those things. One of the pilots told me that the Soviets didn't give them the choice.

I got the vibe they don't want to ever be in that position again.

#48 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-09-25 11:27 AM | Reply

"Ukraine could have cleaned up it's act and joined the EU.They can trade freely with anyone they want."

Yeah. Not according to Russia they couldn't.

Ukraine has never really been in a position to join NATO. They don't meet the qualification criteria.

Maybe the NAC will waive some of that criteria here in the future months and let them join anyway.

It's not like Russia could do much about it.

#49 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-09-25 11:29 AM | Reply

Russian law disallows conscripts from being used in an undeclared war.

Russia just announced conscription, they are holding a sham referendum on annexation the goal is clear and terrifying.

The Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia oblasts will "ask" to be annexed by Russia. Russia will oblige effective immediately. Russia does not currently control all the territory in those 4 oblasts. The conscripts will be sent to secure Russian territory. Ukraine will be accused of "invading" Russia. NATO will be accused of helping Ukraine attack the motherland.

Justification for all out war has been achieved and Russia is the "wronged" party.

#50 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2022-09-25 12:19 PM | Reply

All brought to you by NATO, the peaceful alliance. Such a force for peace. With protection like them, who needs weapons?

I know I feel safer knowing they've prevented major war in Europe.

Not.

#51 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-09-25 02:31 PM | Reply

"All brought to you by NATO, the peaceful alliance."

Ukraine is not part of NATO.

What are you talking about?

And I don't know that it is as much about peace as it is defense. As Ronald Reagan aptly pointed out in his "rendezvous with destiny" speech, the world could have peace in an instant. It just requires surrendering to the belligerent power.

#52 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-09-25 02:36 PM | Reply

Russia mobilizes a million people to become soldiers while conducting a sham referendum and it's NATO's fault.

Dude don't pull a muscle twisting logic so hard.

#53 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2022-09-25 02:44 PM | Reply

If Russia had joined NATO this war would not be happening. NATO is an anti Russia alliance. It's only purpose to keep Russia in a Corner with missiles pointed at it

#43 | Posted by Effeteposer

Yup. And then putin proved how right NATO is. If you're not in NATO, he tries to steal your country.

#54 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-25 04:09 PM | Reply

I know I feel safer knowing they've prevented major war in Europe.

Not.

#51 | Posted by Effeteposer

If ukraine had been in nato, there would have been no war.

#55 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-25 04:09 PM | Reply

NATO is an anti Russia alliance.

It was more of an anti-Warsaw Pact thing, but times change.

#56 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-09-25 04:56 PM | Reply

NATO is an anti Russia alliance?

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Ever since the Russian apartment bombings in 99 the world has know Putin was evil.

#57 | Posted by Tor at 2022-09-25 05:09 PM | Reply

Effete:
explain to me again how allowing/not allowing nuclear missiles in Cuba is the same as invading a country and killing, raping, torturing thousands of its citizens.

Go ahead, I'll wait.

#58 | Posted by e1g1 at 2022-09-25 05:11 PM | Reply

There would have been Nuclear War if the Soviets hadn't pulled the missiles out of Cuba.

If the Ukraine had just agreed to not join NATO and had implemented the Minsk accords there would have been no war.

Now we may see nukes and conventional war.

NATO is a force for war. Not helpful.

#59 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-09-25 05:23 PM | Reply

"All brought to you by NATO, the peaceful alliance. Such a force for peace. With protection like them, who needs weapons?"

NATO has never invaded any nation, unlike Russia. NATO was created purely for the purpose of preventing invasions ofEuropean nations like Hungary and Chechlosavakia. Only a liar or a Russian shill would pretend NATO was anything except a defensive organization created to protect democratic, free nations from the USSR. Only a liar would pretend that Russia isn't basically still yhe same nsyion. especially cpnsidering who their psycgotic dictator is.

#60 | Posted by danni at 2022-09-25 05:24 PM | Reply

"NATO was created purely for the purpose of preventing invasions"

And having seen how Russia treated East Berlin NATO's creation was entirely justified.

#61 | Posted by Tor at 2022-09-25 05:28 PM | Reply

' know I feel safer knowing they've prevented major war in Europe.

'

Unfortunately Ukraine was npt a member pf NATO yet. Had it been Psycho Putin would probably not launched his unprovoked invasion which he is losing so badly that now he is resorting to threatening nuclear attacks. He is actually willing to jeopardize the lives of millions of Russians just to assuage his own ego. Hopefully saner folks will shoot him in the head before he tries to do something so insane.

#62 | Posted by danni at 2022-09-25 05:31 PM | Reply

"explain to me again how allowing/not allowing nuclear missiles in Cuba is the same as invading a country and killing, raping, torturing thousands of its citizens."

The crimes against humanity committed and now documented by UN investigators destroys any defense of Putin or Russia at this point

#63 | Posted by danni at 2022-09-25 05:36 PM | Reply

I sort of agree Danni. But I doubt that will happen. Nobody shot Hitler but himself.

This could have been avoided if they hadn't been so stupid to not believe the Russians meant what they said.

Putin isn't the most hard-line person over there either. He's actually a softy compared to many. If he gets killed it will be more likely for being too soft about the war rather than pushing too hard.

Be careful what you wish for.

If Putin gets killed by his own people the successor may be far worse.

The escalation far more dangerous. In
Russian government Putin is rather moderate And reasonable.

#64 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-09-25 05:41 PM | Reply

"It's only purpose to keep Russia in a Corner with missiles pointed at it"

Because Kruschev had said he intended to invade Europe. He said "We will bury you. " to the west and now is unhappy because in reality, they can't even defeat Ukraine. Russia is a failed state, econpmically failing, militarily failing and their political institutions are incapable of governing. It's only a matter of time before their government is overthrown and Putin hung in Red Square.

#65 | Posted by danni at 2022-09-25 05:46 PM | Reply

"Be careful what you wish for.
If Putin gets killed by his own people the successor may be far worse."

Seeing Putin hung will have a powerful moderating affect on his successor, which will probably not be another KGB dictator. Russia could actually become a democracy if the present murdering dictator is eliminated but Effete can"t even consider that because he isn't even allowed to consider it, much less say it. The rest of us here are free to say whatever we want, no so for poor Effetekiar. If he tells the truth about Putin he's dead.
Sorry effete, tpp bad you were born in a dictatorship. Us Americans are luckier, we were born in a free nation even though some of us are too stupid to appreciate it.

#66 | Posted by danni at 2022-09-25 05:55 PM | Reply

Europe will glow in the dark first. And even if by some miracle they don't go nuclear, There are thousands of warheads scattered over eleven million sq. Miles. Those weapons won't be secured or under any control.

Regime change from without in Russia is a Very Bad Idea.

Imagine if ISIS got control of nukes.

That could happen if Russia collapses.

#67 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-09-25 05:59 PM | Reply

Europe will glow in the dark first. And even if by some miracle they don't go nuclear, There are thousands of warheads scattered over eleven million sq. Miles. Those weapons won't be secured or under any control.

Regime change from without in Russia is a Very Bad Idea.

Imagine if ISIS got control of nukes.

That could happen if Russia collapses.

#67 | Posted by Effeteposer

That's what happens when you let a fascist tyrant take over your nuclear armed country. You endanger the whole world. Thanks a lot.

#68 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-25 06:37 PM | Reply

Zelensky was elected in an election watched by internayional observers.
Now,several regions are "vpting abpot joining The Russian Federation. Welcome to "democracy? Russian style.

#69 | Posted by danni at 2022-09-25 06:38 PM | Reply

Pootey's Nukeys, and other fairy tales Russians tell to convince the world that they're not a failure as a nation and military power and are therefore entitled to a modicum of respect.

Meanwhile, 260,000 of Russia's brave men have fled across the border with their tails tucked between their legs when called upon to fertilize Ukraine's sunflower fields with their vodka-marinated bodies.

#70 | Posted by censored at 2022-09-25 10:43 PM | Reply

Where do you get that number from? I've read accounts of Russian prisoners being castrated by sadistic Ukies. I don't particularly believe them, but it's out there. I've also read that Bucha was Ukies killing their own people and pinning it on the Russians.

There's so much -------- online. So where do these numbers come from?

I know you are stupid and gullible but come man,get real.

Sources, or shut up with the nonsense.

Prove it.

#71 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-09-25 11:44 PM | Reply

Where do you get that number from? I've read accounts of Russian prisoners being castrated by sadistic Ukies.

#71 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER AT 2022-09-25 11:44 PM | FLAG:

Sort of true. A Russian soldier castrated a Ukrainian pow and tortured others. He was caught by Ukrainian soldiers during the Izyum offensive. What do you think happened to him?

#72 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2022-09-26 08:04 AM | Reply

EFFETEPOSER - Too stupid to live. Just another Putin Pedophile trying to justify his glorious leader. Why isn't he joining Russia to fight? Too much of a ------ ----.

Why is such a traitor to our country allowed to post such crap with nothing to back it up????

#73 | Posted by Enlightened at 2022-09-26 08:43 AM | Reply

www.coffeeordie.com

www.dailymail.co.uk - Still alive

Back in 1997 - www.tandfonline.com - Deemed Russian Propaganda

Is the Putin Pedophile just reading Russian State News, cause I can find NOTHING about what he is talking about. What a stupid p#ssy!

#74 | Posted by Enlightened at 2022-09-26 08:49 AM | Reply

Where do you get that number from? I've read accounts of Russian prisoners being castrated by sadistic Ukies. I don't particularly believe them, but it's out there. I've also read that Bucha was Ukies killing their own people and pinning it on the Russians.

There's so much -------- online. So where do these numbers come from?

I know you are stupid and gullible but come man,get real.

Sources, or shut up with the nonsense.

Prove it.

#71 | Posted by Effeteposer

That's because putin is just like trump - accuse your enemy of your own crimes.

It's ukrainians who are digging their citizens out of mass graves made by the russians and discovering their -------- cut off.

But you choose to believe the guy who had to take over all the tv stations and shut down the internet because you're dumb as hell.

#75 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-26 01:16 PM | Reply

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