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Sunday, September 25, 2022

After the police murder of George Floyd in May of 2020, Minneapolis became a worldwide symbol of the police brutality long endured disproportionately by Black people. In a kind of Newtonian response, the city became the epicenter of the culturally seismic "Defund the Police" movement. But that progressive local effort fizzled with a decisive referendum last November.

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Nobody has defunded the police, idiot.

#1 | Posted by Angrydad at 2022-09-25 09:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Did you not read the article?

#2 | Posted by Tor at 2022-09-25 09:27 PM | Reply

#1. Um, yeah they did.

#3 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-09-25 09:31 PM | Reply

Um, yeah they did.

#3 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Where exactly? Wasn't in Minneapolis.

FTA:

After the police murder of George Floyd in May of 2020, Minneapolis became a worldwide symbol of the police brutality long endured disproportionately by Black people. In a kind of Newtonian response, the city became the epicenter of the culturally seismic "Defund the Police" movement. But that progressive local effort fizzled with a decisive referendum last November...

But by and large, police officials have said the slower response times are the expected byproduct of a depleted force that has witnessed an overwhelming wave of retirements, resignations and disability leaves due to post-traumatic stress...

Much of that exodus owes to a bottoming out of morale in the wake of a crisis that left police officers feeling reviled, said interim Minneapolis Police Chief Amelia Huffman...

Minneapolis voters not only resoundingly rejected what was seen as the "defund" initiative, they also voted to strengthen the office of the mayor and reelected Frey, who'd become a local avatar for moderate Democrats put off by the party's most liberal wing...

Sure, some departments (upwards of 20 municipalities) have lowered funding to their police departments. But there has NOT been a police department that has been fully defunded.

Or are you basing your argument on a different definition of "defund" than everyone else is using?

Hmmmm.

defund
/d"f'nd/prevent from continuing to receive funds.

#4 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2022-09-25 09:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#3 - RTFA. Geezus.
AngryDad's correct.

Did either of you, Jeff, Tor, just read a headline and thought "Great! This agrees with what I think "libruls" did and it's a disaster! I win!" or what? THEY NEVER DEFUNDED THE POLICE.

F**k. You'd think you're RTFA before opening your yaps much less POST it. Then maybe you'd learn something.

"It (defund) failed in November, with 56% of voters rejecting it. That figure was 61% in north Minneapolis, a pair of neighboring city wards where Blacks make up a strong plurality of the roughly 66,000 residents. All but one of the 17 precincts in the north voted against the measure."

"But by and large, police officials have said the slower response times are the expected byproduct of a depleted force that has witnessed an overwhelming wave of retirements, resignations and disability leaves due to post-traumatic stress."

#5 | Posted by YAV at 2022-09-25 10:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Dealing the final blow to the local "defund" movement last year was a city council vote to essentially refund a cut they'd made the prior year. Mayor Jacob Frey is proposing another budget bump for the next two fiscal years."

www.youtube.com

#6 | Posted by Tor at 2022-09-25 10:11 PM | Reply

Do you not have any reading comprehension?
Are you confused about striking a blow to the local "defund movement" who never got the police defunded and - well -what? I don't know SINCE THE POLICE WERE NEVER DEFUNDED.

"The more you know"
Indeed.

#7 | Posted by YAV at 2022-09-25 10:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The cut was the defunding.

#8 | Posted by Tor at 2022-09-25 10:25 PM | Reply

The cut was the defunding.
#8 | POSTED BY TOR

defund
/d"f'nd/prevent from continuing to receive funds.

Where did this happen?

#9 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2022-09-25 10:25 PM | Reply

Can you not find it?

Have you tried looking?

#10 | Posted by Tor at 2022-09-25 10:30 PM | Reply

This article lists the cities that defunded their police:

www.theguardian.com

#11 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-09-25 10:39 PM | Reply

Can't refute the facts so get pedantic?

#12 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-09-25 10:40 PM | Reply

Have you tried looking?
#10 | POSTED BY TOR

Read the article and searched Google.

No "defunding" I could find. Plenty of re-appropriation of monies, that would include, "cuts." But no defunding. Which is why you choose ignorance and refuse to answer the question.

I laugh at your attempt to redefine "defund" and "cut" to ensure you feel comfortable with your argument, though.

Now that's entertainment.

Swallow it.

#13 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2022-09-25 11:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

pedantic?
#12 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

HAHAHA!

"More than 20 major cities have reduced police budgets in some form, and activists are fighting to ensure that is only the start"

How does that equate to:

defund
/d"f'nd/prevent from continuing to receive funds.

That's not being pedantic. That's being accurate within the English language.

Sad you refuse to admit it, but the fact remains, no police department was defunded. Monies were cut, but you'd have to change the definition of "defund" to fit your argument, which you and TOR are making a pathetic effort here doing so.

Swallow it, ----.

#14 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2022-09-25 11:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

From BellDinger's link:

The Austin police funds were reallocated to emergency medical services for Covid-19, community medics, mental health first responders, services for homeless people, substance abuse programs, food access, workforce development, abortion services, victim support, parks and more. The city council is using money saved from the police budget to buy two hotels to provide supportive housing for homeless residents.

Investing in mental healthcare facilities as well as helping the homeless will be more beneficial for the city of Austin, than more firearms or police gear.

Throwing money at the police doesn't solve everything.

#15 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-09-25 11:09 PM | Reply

Throwing money at the police doesn't solve everything.
#15 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

I entirely disagree. Reforming the system to impede the power that law enforcement unions wield coupled with an increase in funding for police salaries will bring about a larger pool of qualified candidates. The more qualified candidates you get with a reformed hiring system, the less likely you'll have the amount of "bad apples" that are currently employed.

I've always advocated for throwing more money at the police for this very reason. Defunding the police was a catchy phrase with zero logic to back it up, which is why lefties were attracted to it like flies to chit.

Swallow it, CLOWNY. The current system is not sustainable and it has everything to do with money and power.

#16 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2022-09-25 11:15 PM | Reply

I entirely disagree.

You're welcome to. That's your right.

So, more money solves everything?

"The Los Angeles City Council Wednesday approved an $11.8 billion budget for the 2022-23 fiscal year, with an $87 million increase to the Los Angeles Police Department, as well as a second year of historic spending of over $1 billion related to homelessness."

spectrumnews1.com

Guess all of Los Angeles's problems are over.

...

#17 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-09-25 11:53 PM | Reply

#17

Completely out of context. But you do you, boo.

#18 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2022-09-26 01:24 AM | Reply

More like what happens when cities lose control over their police departments and, especially, union.

#19 | Posted by morris at 2022-09-26 02:27 AM | Reply

Can't refute the facts so get pedantic?

#12 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER AT 2022-09-25 10:40 PM | FLAG:

BWHAHAHAHA! The right-wingers here and that includes you, Jeff, insisted that defund means totally cut all money going to police. You held up the definition over and over.

Let's talk about what this really is: The L.E.O. that are quitting, are saying they are demoralized, they are retiring early. Why? Because they don't want to be held accountable for their actions. They don't want to risk being sued over extra-judicial killings. If they can't be the racist -------- they've always been then they don't want anything to do with "law enforcement." I remember all too well when the Floyd murder by "law enforcement" happened how many white supremacists were exposed. The head of the Police Union being the most obvious one. That guy was/is a real piece of ----. www.motherjones.com

#20 | Posted by YAV at 2022-09-26 07:48 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#20 Wow. So, according to Yav, the only reason any LEO quits or retires early is because they don't want accountability because they are racists POS's. Further, I provided a link which detailed cities and municipalities that cut LEO spending ostensibly in response to the "Defund the police!" rhetoric from the left.

You are going completely off the rails, Yav. Seek help. I'll put you in touch with Minsky.

#21 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-09-26 12:29 PM | Reply

The 'police flight' from liberal dem cities is real and all the smart ones are either retiring ASAP, or moving out. Those cities are also having a very difficult time attracting new police academy candidates so the anti-police crowd are starting to ------ in anticipation of their utopia, BTW, it is not just about funding as they [the police] have seen that the dem city politicians do not have their backs as well as frustration with libbie DAs.

I have an answer - - wall in the dem cities, and fortunately there is no Snake Pliskin available...

#22 | Posted by MSgt at 2022-09-26 12:44 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"The right-wingers here and that includes you, Jeff, insisted that defund means totally cut all money going to police. You held up the definition over and over."

Did they? I don't follow every post here all the time, so it's possible I missed it, but it seems incredibly unlikely that anyone ever said that, other than perhaps in jest or as a strawman.

#23 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-09-26 12:48 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

-So, according to Yav, the only reason any LEO quits or retires early is because they don't want accountability because they are racists POS's.

It would seem so but I'll let Yav respond for himself.

#24 | Posted by eberly at 2022-09-26 12:56 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Why would I respond to the words Jeff said I said? I said what I said. It's clear, especially in the context of the article which lays out what I said in detail. Jeff's tactic of hyperbole and strawman are --------, and I'm glad people are smart enough to see through it.

Did they? I don't follow every post here all the time, so it's possible I missed it, but it seems incredibly unlikely that anyone ever said that, other than perhaps in jest or as a strawman.

It was ridiculous when it was going on. You can't possibly have missed it. The entire discussion was what defund meant - with many on the left that were pro reform saying it doesn't mean 100% defund, and almost everyone on the right saying "defund means you want to get rid of the police! That's what defund means! It doesn't mean reduce!!!' They were ballistic with that argument.

#25 | Posted by YAV at 2022-09-26 01:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

why don't we stop with the -------- and move on?

Defund means what it means...Tor clearly misused the term in his headline.

He clearly meant cut rather than eliminate.

Oh, and where did this misunderstanding start? With the very people who were vomiting it out and everyone else who ran with that term.

of which 0% of them thought it meant eliminate.

So, let's move on.

Unless this is so uncomfortable that's best to argue on what the term means.

If so, then continue with the hair-splitting.

#26 | Posted by eberly at 2022-09-26 01:51 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I think it's all perfectly clear, and that was an accurate summation, Eberly.

#27 | Posted by YAV at 2022-09-26 01:52 PM | Reply

"KG Wilson, a longtime resident of the Twin Cities, said police withdrew from violent neighborhoods in the aftermath of Floyd's killing " a common sentiment among locals."

Anyone shocked by that?

It was clear there was a school of thought that the police were the problem.

Not that they weren't solving enough problems.....but that they were the problem.

#28 | Posted by eberly at 2022-09-26 01:58 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"defund" the police was such an unfortunate talking point to what originated as a good idea. Anyone with half a brain understands, the actual point is that law enforcement needs to be reformed. ...More mental health services, drug rehab services, etc... less revolving jail cells, less bullying of suspects, etc.. This is what is actually needed. Sadly, most law enforcement agencies, especially rural agencies are receiving increased funding to simply hire more cops, build more jail cells, and push more people around the system.

My own county, and several counties surrounding me, have received substantial increases in funding since the George Floyd protests. Yet local crime continues to increase. It seems to me that adding more cops has only added more harassment. And you don't dare speak out against their power, or you become a target.

#29 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2022-09-26 02:01 PM | Reply

Here is reality:

In the aftermath of the George Floyd killing ( the fact that the man mostly responsible was convicted and given a harsh sentence never gets brought up) leftist groups went on a riot spree for months and didn't face much in the way of consequences for their actions. Then the "defund the police" rhetoric began from the left including some Democrats. I posted a link the listed cities that bought in and did cut funding.

Now that the consequences of that rhetoric and actions are manifesting leftists like Yav are going into full gaslight mode.

I fully acknowledge law enforcement screws up. I also acknowledge that it has some institutional problems. Here's the crazy thing - my acknowledgements are nowhere near enough for those on the left. But it's these very same people who will proclaim the FBI is nearly beyond reproach because Trump or whatever.

#30 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-09-26 02:42 PM | Reply

"full gaslight mode" - from someone that does that non-stop? ---- off, Jeff.
If you'd posted only the last paragraph you'd have been sane.

First sentence?
No, not reality. Your opinion.

The first paragraph? ------ up lies.

The second sentence/paragraph? ------ up lies.

#31 | Posted by YAV at 2022-09-26 03:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-I fully acknowledge law enforcement screws up. I also acknowledge that it has some institutional problems

Yes, massive institutional problems. Here is the first one...it's not an "institution" in the first place despite how it's referenced.

Rather, it's 10s of thousands of smaller municipalities that comprise law enforcement.

Every city and county that employs law enforcement has it's own leadership they answer to.....and it's far from a single culture or institution.

#32 | Posted by eberly at 2022-09-26 03:25 PM | Reply

#31. So if I am understanding you correctly either the 2020 riots didn't happen or they were the fault of the GOP and conservatives. Hmmm ...

#33 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-09-26 03:30 PM | Reply

#33 - you have nothing to say or argue if you don't make ---- up that was never said and then post as if I said it.

#34 | Posted by YAV at 2022-09-26 03:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

" Every city and county that employs law enforcement has it's own leadership they answer to.....and it's far from a single culture or institution.
#32 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2022-09-26 03:25 PM | FLAG: "

Yes. Which makes the broad brushing of local law enforcement as universally racist and corrupt befuddling.

Yet these same people defend a large institution-the FBI- as mostly pure in spite of reams of evidence to the contrary

#35 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-09-26 03:35 PM | Reply

it's incredible to me to see the right wingers turn on their own republican filled FBI.

all because trump said so. He owns them.

#36 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2022-09-26 03:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#34. Then offer clarification or restate your position.

#37 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-09-26 03:36 PM | Reply

#36. As a small "L" libertarian I'm inherently wary of the justice system.

#38 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-09-26 03:38 PM | Reply

#36. As a small "L" libertarian I'm inherently wary of the justice system.
#38 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

But not wary enough to lower its budget...

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-26 04:43 PM | Reply

I fully acknowledge law enforcement screws up. I also acknowledge that it has some institutional problems. Here's the crazy thing - my acknowledgements are nowhere near enough for those on the left.
#30 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Is systemic racism one of those institutional problems?
If so, help us believe you by giving some examples.
Thanks.

#40 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-26 04:55 PM | Reply

This is where the tighty rightys get all upset over "defunding" the police after calling for the Capitol police and FBI to be defunded.

#41 | Posted by Nixon at 2022-09-27 10:38 AM | Reply

As a small "L" libertarian I'm inherently wary of the justice system.

#38 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-09-26 03:38 PM | Reply | Flag

Baloney.

#42 | Posted by Nixon at 2022-09-27 10:40 AM | Reply

#31. So if I am understanding you correctly either the 2020 riots didn't happen or they were the fault of the GOP and conservatives. Hmmm ...
#33 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER AT 2022-09-26 03:30 PM | REPLY

A more accurate description would be that the vast majority of protests were peaceful and a small number became violent
The cause of the violence was variable including police right wing agitators and left wing agitators

The cause of the protests was riotous btw

#43 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-09-27 11:13 AM | Reply

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