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Monday, September 26, 2022

At 200+ years America is by far the world's oldest Democracy. It should come as no wonder that it has flaws but they can be corrected.

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America really is an exception.

Freedom is not a universal value.

If it were, perhaps so much of world history would not be a recurring story of war, tyranny, misery, and oppression.

We think our democracy is immune to failure because we have our technology. But humans really haven't changed that much. We take our freedoms for granted at our own peril.

#1 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-09-26 03:38 PM | Reply

America has never been a democracy.

#2 | Posted by MSgt at 2022-09-26 03:38 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

" | POSTED BY DONNERBOY AT 2022-09-26 03:38 PM | FLAG: "

Very well said.

#3 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-09-26 03:40 PM | Reply

Paul Ryan says it is a Democracy.

#4 | Posted by Tor at 2022-09-26 03:46 PM | Reply

America has never been a democracy.
#2 | POSTED BY MSG

When you hate America argue how it's not technically a democracy.

Thanks traitor. Putin appreciates your stupidity.

#5 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-09-26 03:48 PM | Reply

America has never been a democracy.
#2 | POSTED BY MSGT

Then what are all these elections for?
???

#6 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-26 04:42 PM | Reply

America has never been a democracy.

#2 | POSTED BY MSGT

Why do republicans insist we are not a democratic country? Even the first Republican said we have a government of the people by the people and for the people. If that's not a democracy I don't know what is.

And America is even becoming more democratic not less. More people can vote now than ever before.

The first lesson of history is that we don't learn from history.

Sounds like you want us to perish from the earth just like all the other democracies have.

#7 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-09-26 04:47 PM | Reply

America has never been a democracy.

#2 | POSTED BY MSGT

"Conservatives" hate the notion of democracy as an impediment to autocratic rule.

Better to say it never was one than to take credit for having shot it through the head.

#8 | Posted by Zed at 2022-09-26 04:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Why do republicans insist we are not a democratic country?

I'm pretty sure it's one of those pedantic clip/magazine things.

#9 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-09-26 05:54 PM | Reply

America has never been a democracy.
#2 | POSTED BY MSGT

But are you man enough to live up to your beliefs by never, ever voting?

Tell us, did you ever vote, and if so, why, since we aren't a democracy.

#10 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-26 06:25 PM | Reply

America was built on freedom of speech but democrats are trying hard to take away that right.

#11 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-09-26 06:26 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

America was built on freedom of speech but democrats are trying hard to take away that right.
#11 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Democrats aren't the ones with Don't Say Gay.
Democrats aren't the ones banning books in libraries all over the nation.

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-26 06:29 PM | Reply

Lady B wants The Diary Of Anne Frank banned because it casts his Nazi heroes in a bad light.

#13 | Posted by Reinheitsgebot at 2022-09-26 06:33 PM | Reply

Bill goes with weak ass trolling.

Republicans are taking rainbows out of classrooms because they're sure 6 year old kids turn gay when they see them.

But Democrats are restricting speech?

Hey Bill, how many book you burn this week?

#14 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-09-26 06:33 PM | Reply

Those idiots that say we aren't a democracy can move their sorry asses to Russia where they belong.

#15 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-09-26 06:36 PM | Reply

America is built on war and genocide. Slavery is our original sin. Voting every four years doesn't erase that stain.

Militarism and aggressive war are our true colors. Ask half the world about America and they see a monstrosity.

Environmental destruction is more advanced here than in almost any other country. We have less old growth forest than many countries much older and more thickly settled than we are.

We are the ONLY country to use Nukes in Anger.

America ain't all that.

It's just Hubris and exceptionalist Bulls**t to think otherwise.

#16 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-09-26 10:04 PM | Reply

Our Democracy isn't perfect but we have the ability to fix the flaws.

#17 | Posted by Tor at 2022-09-26 10:23 PM | Reply

If we're not a democracy your vote doesn't matter. If your vote doesn't matter, then the politicians owe you nothing.

If we are a democracy and your vote does matter, and *certain* politicians want power for themselves, then the first thing they'll try and convince you of is that elections are stolen, voting is corrupt and rife with fraud, and you can't trust elections.

If you believe that you can't count on the vote being legitimate, then you believe those that do get into power owe you nothing. The power dynamic is flipped on its head.

#18 | Posted by YAV at 2022-09-26 10:32 PM | Reply

Right. Do you really believe that? How do we fix the flaws? Tell me.

Citizen$ United? Policy is the sale.Money is speech. Corporations have all the legal rights and protections of living persons but none of the legal liabilities that citizenship entails.

We are a Frank Oligarchy. More so than Russia.

Arguably more so than China or any other state.

Cuba takes better care of it's citizens health and well being.

Self delusion is strong here.

We will be shouting to the skies about our freedom while killing our own and other nations with impunity.

It's sad really. To watch the contorted logic of a failing empire calling itself a beacon of freedom while it oppresses and encourages oppression abroad.

Russia is a lightweight,we are the gold standard.

#19 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-09-26 10:38 PM | Reply

With Feudalism, it's your Count that votes.

#20 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2022-09-26 10:44 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

If you believe that you can't count on the vote being legitimate, then you believe those that do get into power owe you nothing. The power dynamic is flipped on its head.
~Yav

What do you think Hillary was saying FFS?

#21 | Posted by oneironaut at 2022-09-26 11:22 PM | Reply

Then what are all these elections for?
???
#6 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

To elect representatives. Seems the processes of our government, are yet another thing you are clueless about.

#22 | Posted by oneironaut at 2022-09-26 11:29 PM | Reply

If we're not a democracy your vote doesn't matter.

What kind a BS is this.

We elect representatives, we don't actually vote on every proposal (which is literally democracy)

You guys are embarrassing to us real Liberals, you don't seem to know ---- about how our system of government works.

#23 | Posted by oneironaut at 2022-09-26 11:31 PM | Reply

To elect representatives. Seems the processes of our government, are yet another thing you are clueless about.
#22 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

So, then we do live in a democracy.

Tanks.

#24 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2022-09-26 11:51 PM | Reply

" You guys are embarrassing to us real Liberals"

Who, exactly, do you believe you're fooling?

#25 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-09-26 11:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So, then we do live in a democracy.

It's such a simple fact. It's interesting to see how spun up the fakes and our resident proud boy get over stating it.

What I laid out is one of the steps in how authoritarians come to power and how democracy dies. Those that pretend that, unless it's a direct democracy then it isn't a democracy, have an agenda. That agenda isn't preserving or strengthening our representative constitutional democracy.

#26 | Posted by YAV at 2022-09-27 06:49 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Well, we are divided between DEMOCRAts and REPUBLICants. People are so ------- ignorant it hurts.

#27 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-09-27 01:15 PM | Reply

It's a Republican who is on the record as saying that yes we live in a democracy.

#28 | Posted by Tor at 2022-09-27 03:05 PM | Reply

RINO.

#29 | Posted by YAV at 2022-09-27 03:33 PM | Reply

What's the deal with Republicans wanting to deny it's a democracy anyhow?

#30 | Posted by Tor at 2022-09-28 12:58 AM | Reply

What's the deal with Republicans wanting to deny it's a democracy anyhow?

I think it's all in the name. They hate Democrats so they must hate democracy. They are Republicans so it must be a Republic.

#31 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-09-28 01:02 AM | Reply

"What's the deal with Republicans wanting to deny it's a democracy anyhow?"

Republicans are setting the expectation that when elections are suspended, that's not necessarily a bad thing.

They are pushing the envelope of what they can get away with. Have been for quite some time.

#32 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-28 01:15 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This is one of the more silly arguments on this site. There's a lot more nuance than "purist's" will acknowledge.

Funny, in a sad way, that we collectively argue over such silliness rather than what is meant by what is written.

#33 | Posted by et_al at 2022-09-28 02:04 AM | Reply

SNOOFY

The G.O.P. working on getting control the of state congress' and governors. That's what it's going to take to amend or rewrite a new constitution ~ most likely modeled after Russia's constitution.

Of course, Trump is still trying to prove he's still up to the job but the G.O.P. isn't lacking for other contenders. Ron DeSantis is doing the same thing. There's still the possibility of some rotten, low down, scurrilous dark horse making an entrance.

#34 | Posted by Twinpac at 2022-09-28 05:31 AM | Reply

They've destroyed all others.

#35 | Posted by fresno500 at 2022-09-28 07:44 PM | Reply

Then what are all these elections for?
???

#6 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

To lull the masses into a false sense of security.

#36 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2022-09-29 12:10 PM | Reply

#36 The Republican masses aren't lulled at all. They keep saying elections are insecure.

I see where you're going, but that's not where we are.

#37 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-29 12:12 PM | Reply

#37

You're right. I should have said: "To lull Democrats into a false sense of security" even as our elections become increasingly manipulated by Republicans.

And those same Republicans would like eventually to eliminate elections completely. You know, they're increasingly correct when they claim: "we're not a democracy".

#38 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2022-09-29 02:31 PM | Reply

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