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Wednesday, September 28, 2022

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To my fellow Floridians, stay safe!

I watched so much Weather Channel yesterday I had the boop-beeeeh-boop sound effect on loop in my dreams.

#1 | Posted by rcade at 2022-09-28 12:01 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Just took another look at the Naples pier webcam. Yikes, that water is moving! Good thing it won't be high tide when Ian lands.

naplespanorama.org

#2 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2022-09-28 12:10 PM | Reply

I put up a website with the latest maps and projections:

hurricaneian.com

#3 | Posted by rcade at 2022-09-28 12:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

A friend of mine lent us his house in Pine Island, Fl, a few years back. Great place. I hope it makes it through. Good luck, Florida!

#4 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2022-09-28 12:13 PM | Reply

If surges go as high as some meteorologists they say they might (8-16') with waves on top of that there's gonna be massive devastation.

We have a couple of undeveloped lots on a canal in Port Charlotte. If this turns out like some say, I really feel for the couple who just built a house next door.

#5 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2022-09-28 12:15 PM | Reply

Biden needs to call the governor and tell him FEMA would love to help Florida but they're still busy dealing with people in neighboring States infected with covid from florida.

#6 | Posted by Tor at 2022-09-28 12:35 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

@#5 ... If surges go as high as some meteorologists they say they might (8-16') with waves on top of that there's gonna be massive devastation. ...

As a meteorologist, Hurricane Ian is the nightmare storm I worry about most
arstechnica.com

...Nightmare fuel

This is not hyperbole. If you live in Houston you probably know that I have a local meteorology website known as Space City Weather. The site's tagline is literally "hype-free forecasts for Houston." I am known as the "no-hype" guy. And let me tell you, Hurricane Ian is the kind of nightmare storm that I worry about most. It is the kind of storm that destroys a community forever, knocks the power out for weeks or, in some locations, months. Beaches are erased. Populations leave and never come back.

There are no silver linings with such weather, but it is true that Ian's track has steadily bent more eastward than expected. As a result the densely populated Tampa Bay region, with more than 3 million people, is now far enough away to escape a catastrophic storm surge. Instead, Ian will push a wall of water into Fort Myers and Cape Coral areas. This metro area has a population of about 750,000. To the south of this community, where the worst of the surge and winds will occur, lie the Florida Everglades. While pushing so much salt water into this natural environment has its own consequences, fewer people lie in harm's way.

As a forecaster, that doesn't really matter to me. I'm looking at the terrifying, shocking, and yes, breathtaking satellite imagery of Ian and thinking about what might have been had this storm traversed the Gulf of Mexico and struck my community. In my darkest dreams, it's the worst kind of storm I can conjure.

I feel sick....


To the Drudge community in Florida, be safe....

#7 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-09-28 12:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I hope Biden sends enough paper towels.

I hope Biden awards the contract to rebuild power lines to a company with no experience building power lines.

#8 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-28 12:54 PM | Reply

Good luck Florida. May God have mercy on you.

Biden needs to send FEMA his black marker updated map showing where the hurricane is really going.

His faithful maroons need to know!

#9 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-09-28 01:04 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Come, oh, Friday Dotard's gang of thieves will reach out to their insurance agent to file a claim for all the damage suffered at Mar A Lago. No need to come by for a look, but estimates are $50--no, $67 million. They will stop by and pick up the check in an hour...

#10 | Posted by catdog at 2022-09-28 01:08 PM | Reply

No need to come by for a look, but estimates are $50--no, $67 million. They will stop by and pick up the check in an hour...

#10 | POSTED BY CATDOG

Easily $670 million at least. You've never seen such damage!

#11 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-09-28 01:11 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I dont always enjoy climate change, but when I do, it's because climate change is punishing a state full of climate change deniers.

I don't always support withholding federal aid, but when I do, it's because a state that wants to bring down the federal government suddenly needs help with a problem they helped cause.

#12 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-28 01:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Guess DeSatan won't be any more trafficking humans for at least few days.

God had to step in. He has spoken.

#13 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-09-28 01:15 PM | Reply

SurgeCam 5 on this cam site is insane:

youtube.com

#14 | Posted by rcade at 2022-09-28 01:21 PM | Reply

#12. So, hurricanes didnt exist prior to the Industrial Revolution?

Good god. No wonder you are wound up like a top. You allow bitter and hateful politics to dominate all of your thoughts.

#15 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-09-28 01:31 PM | Reply

"#12. So, hurricanes didnt exist prior to the Industrial Revolution?"

^
This is how we can tell you're interested in having a serious discussion.

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-28 01:33 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#12. So, hurricanes didnt exist prior to the Industrial Revolution?

Good god. No wonder you are wound up like a top. You allow bitter and hateful politics to dominate all of your thoughts.

#15 | Posted by BellRinger

Oh they did. But how they're bigger and stronger and more frequent. Just like droughts. And floods. And blizzards. Just like you were told by smarter people for the past 4 decades while your party of oil puppets and morons called climate change a hoax.

#17 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-28 01:33 PM | Reply

You allow bitter and hateful politics to dominate all of your thoughts.

#15 | Posted by BellRinger

"Hey all we did was protect oil profits until climate change was unavoidable, catastrophic, and incredibly expensive. What's everyone so BITTER and HATEFUL about?"

#18 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-28 01:35 PM | Reply

The dude narrating the live stream just said camera 9 is on an 8' post. The waves are washing over it.

#19 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2022-09-28 01:35 PM | Reply

" But how they're bigger and stronger and more frequent"

Claim not supported by evidence. That is one the models have gotten wrong. Hurricanes have not grown in frequency or intensity by any real measure.

#20 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-09-28 01:36 PM | Reply

"Claim not supported by evidence."

Is it refuted by the evidence, or like global warming itself, do you need more data to be able to say either way?

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-28 01:38 PM | Reply

" But how they're bigger and stronger and more frequent"

Claim not supported by evidence. That is one the models have gotten wrong. Hurricanes have not grown in frequency or intensity by any real measure.

#20 | Posted by BellRinger

Now do droughts.

#22 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-28 01:43 PM | Reply

Gracie is gonna be just fine so this is no big deal.

#23 | Posted by jpw at 2022-09-28 01:46 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

40 Years of Data Confirm Hurricanes Are Getting Stronger. Climate Models Were Right
www.sciencealert.com

...The most powerful storms on our planet have grown substantially stronger, and almost forty years' worth of hurricane satellite imagery suggest a warming planet might be fuelling the changes.

According to the data, the likelihood of a hurricane developing into a category 3 storm or greater, with sustained winds of over 177 kilometres per hour (110 miles per hour), has increased by about 8 percent every decade since 1979.

"Our results show that these storms have become stronger on global and regional levels, which is consistent with expectations of how hurricanes respond to a warming world," says climate scientist James Kossin from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA)....


#24 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-09-28 01:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Fortunately for Florida residents, Joe Biden is being his normal class act.

#25 | Posted by RJSquirrel at 2022-09-28 01:48 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Grandpa lived on Ft Meyers Beach until about a year ago when dementia forced him into a home. Not sure the house he had there is going to survive this one.

#26 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2022-09-28 01:48 PM | Reply

twitter.com

Charley did tens of billions of dollars worth of damage in 2004.

Ian's eye and eye wall is massive compared to Charley.

Gonna be interesting to see what shakes out given the area taking the brunt is a very affluent part of FL.

#27 | Posted by jpw at 2022-09-28 01:49 PM | Reply

As a meteorologist, Hurricane Ian is the nightmare storm I worry about most
arstechnica.com

I love Eric Berger. I have his App on my cellular telephone.

#28 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2022-09-28 01:54 PM | Reply

SurgeCam 5 on this cam site is insane:

Looks like it's dead.

Surgecam 9 seems to spend more time underwater than above.

Guess what this is gonna do for the insurance situation in FL...

#29 | Posted by jpw at 2022-09-28 01:59 PM | Reply

So, hurricanes didnt exist prior to the Industrial Revolution?
Good god. No wonder you are wound up like a top. You allow bitter and hateful politics to dominate all of your thoughts.

#15 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

You know why I think you're stupid?

Because you say stupid stuff like this.

And you're serious.

#30 | Posted by jpw at 2022-09-28 01:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I have his App on my cellular telephone.
#28 | POSTED BY MAO_CONTENT

Do your bunny ears get him on your television?

#31 | Posted by jpw at 2022-09-28 02:01 PM | Reply

It's a shame. I was just in the Bonita Springs area for a work conference in May.

Guessing a lot of that area is gonna get hammered the way Ian is making landfall.

#32 | Posted by jpw at 2022-09-28 02:03 PM | Reply

I read that this is the 5th strongest hurricane to hit our mainland in the last 100 years.

#33 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-09-28 02:15 PM | Reply

Let's put politics aside and do all we can for our fellow citizens
Both in Florida an puerto rico

#34 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-09-28 02:16 PM | Reply

" You know why I think you're stupid?

Because you say stupid stuff like this.

And you're serious.

#30 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2022-09-28 01:59 PM | FLAG: "

It was deliberate hyperbole. If you look at the post I was responding to your self-proclaimed infinite intellect might be able to grasp why I posted that comment.

#35 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-09-28 02:17 PM | Reply

I read that this is the 5th strongest hurricane to hit our mainland in the last 100 years.

#33 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

The sustained max winds (155mph) is an EF3 tornado.

So the eyewall is basically a 9 knot "fast," dozen mile wide EF2-3 tornado.

#36 | Posted by jpw at 2022-09-28 02:18 PM | Reply

#34. Fine with me.

#37 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-09-28 02:18 PM | Reply

Claim not supported by evidence. That is one the models have gotten wrong. Hurricanes have not grown in frequency or intensity by any real measure.

#20 | Posted by BellRinger

False. There are a handful of papers out from high end scientific journals that say otherwise. I can post abstracts when I'm at computer. Warmer ocean temperatures is the main culprit, but other factors like changes in coastal vegetation are important.

#38 | Posted by horstngraben at 2022-09-28 02:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It was deliberate hyperbole.

Sadly, assuming posts on certain topics are hyperbole or satire is usually a losing bet. Things have gotten that bad.

In any case, lets take this to the Nooner if we want to trade sh&* posts.

#39 | Posted by jpw at 2022-09-28 02:32 PM | Reply

@#36 ... So the eyewall is basically a 9 knot "fast," dozen mile wide EF2-3 tornado. ...

Yup.

The other aspect of the relatively slow forward movement of Ian is that Ian is a very large storm, with lots of moisture.

Ian will be over Florida for a while, dumping rain.

I've seen estimates as high as 2 feet of rain may fall in central Florida.

#40 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-09-28 02:37 PM | Reply

The dude narrating the live stream just said camera 9 is on an 8' post. The waves are washing over it.

#19 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY

Camera 9 is gone. Last heard it was under several feet of water. It either has been hit by debris while underwater or is too far underwater to get wifi signal, they said.

#41 | Posted by Sycophant at 2022-09-28 03:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" But how they're bigger and stronger and more frequent"
Claim not supported by evidence. That is one the models have gotten wrong. Hurricanes have not grown in frequency or intensity by any real measure.
#20 | Posted by BellRinger

40 Years of Data Confirm Hurricanes Are Getting Stronger. Climate Models Were Right
www.sciencealert.com
...The most powerful storms on our planet have grown substantially stronger, and almost forty years' worth of hurricane satellite imagery suggest a warming planet might be fuelling the changes.
According to the data, the likelihood of a hurricane developing into a category 3 storm or greater, with sustained winds of over 177 kilometres per hour (110 miles per hour), has increased by about 8 percent every decade since 1979.
"Our results show that these storms have become stronger on global and regional levels, which is consistent with expectations of how hurricanes respond to a warming world," says climate scientist James Kossin from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA)....
#24 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

BELLRINGER is continuing to choose ignorance, I see.

#42 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2022-09-28 03:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" Hurricanes have not grown in frequency or intensity by any real measure."

What's your go-to authority on that one?

#43 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-09-28 03:16 PM | Reply

To all you nerds out there, check out windy.com

Lots of cool features.

#44 | Posted by horstngraben at 2022-09-28 03:29 PM | Reply

" Hurricanes have not grown in frequency or intensity by any real measure."
What's your go-to authority on that one?
#43 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

His ----.

#45 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2022-09-28 03:32 PM | Reply

Florida's is run by people that live and die according to the weatherman who don't believe in medical science.

#46 | Posted by Tor at 2022-09-28 03:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

From the NHC

Hurricane Ian Public Advisory
www.nhc.noaa.gov

...
STORM SURGE: The combination of storm surge and the tide will cause
normally dry areas near the coast to be flooded by rising waters
moving inland from the shoreline. The water could reach the
following heights above ground somewhere in the indicated areas if
the peak surge occurs at the time of high tide...

* Englewood to Bonita Beach, including Charlotte Harbor...12-18 ft
* Middle of Longboat Key to Englewood...6-10 ft
* Bonita Beach to Chokoloskee...8-12 ft
* Chokoloskee to East Cape Sable...5-8 ft
...


12-18 foot storm surge....

That is not a wave. It is a wall of water 12-18 feet tall coming at you.



#47 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-09-28 03:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Local TV news just showed a picture of a house that was in the storm surge in Fort Myers.

The water engulfed the house up to within a couple inches of the house's gutters. Basically, the entire first floor of that one story house was under water.


#48 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-09-28 04:09 PM | Reply

Damn

#49 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-09-28 04:13 PM | Reply

"DeSantis requests Biden make a disaster declaration for all 67 counties in Florida "

Maybe biden should only do that for the counties that voted for him, like desantis or trump would do.

#50 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-28 04:28 PM | Reply

Will our gov bail out people who live in dumb states forever? At some point, they will get hurricanes all the time.

#51 | Posted by Brennnn at 2022-09-28 04:30 PM | Reply

The flu kills more people LOL

#52 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-28 04:43 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"DeSantis requests Biden make a disaster declaration for all 67 counties in Florida "

Maybe biden should redraw the damage area with a sharpie on a map and say everyone is fine. Why should republicans be the only party to enforce total delusion on the country?

#53 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-28 04:52 PM | Reply

"DeSantis requests Biden make a disaster declaration for all 67 counties in Florida "

Biden declares state of emergency in Florida as Tropical Storm Ian strengthens into hurricane

news.yahoo.com

IIRC, disaster declarations aren't made until after storms pass.

#54 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2022-09-28 05:05 PM | Reply

Science has a lot of uncertainty. Climate science regurgitated by non-scientists not so much.

#55 | Posted by visitor_ at 2022-09-28 06:07 PM | Reply

This is clearly God punishing Florida for support Trump and DeSantis.

#56 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2022-09-28 06:08 PM | Reply

Typical for millenials. The world didn't exist until they came in to it.

#41 40 Years of Data Confirm Hurricanes Are Getting Stronger. Climate Models Were Right
www.sciencealert.com

A whole 40 years of climate data! 40 years. 40 count-em.

#57 | Posted by visitor_ at 2022-09-28 06:15 PM | Reply

#57 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

That doesn't refute anything. Care to take another stab?

#58 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2022-09-28 06:17 PM | Reply

I'm older than 40 so my study goes back further.

#59 | Posted by visitor_ at 2022-09-28 06:21 PM | Reply

#59 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

That doesn't refute anything. Again.

Swallow it.

#60 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2022-09-28 06:23 PM | Reply

Science has a lot of uncertainty. Climate science regurgitated by non-scientists not so much.

#55 | Posted by visitor_

That's why the smart non scientists listen to the experts. And the moron non scientists think there's no way any scientists could know anything they didn't personally learn in junior high school.

Smart people have been warning about climate change for decades.

While morons have gone from saying it's not real, to saying it's not manmade, to saying there's nothing we can do, to saying it's too expensive, to saying climate change is good.

If you were on the side of facts you wouldnt have to keep changing your argument.

#61 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-28 06:29 PM | Reply

I'm older than 40 so my study goes back further.

#59 | Posted by visitor_

So you admit your "study" is just your own personal experience of the weather.

I'm older than 40 and I remember lower temperatures and far fewer wildfires and droughts.

#62 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-28 06:30 PM | Reply

Landshark!

#63 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-09-28 06:40 PM | Reply

When Mama said she wanted a houseboat, I don't think this is what she had in mind.

Stay safe Florida.

#64 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-09-28 06:50 PM | Reply

"One Of The Wettest We've Ever Seen From The Standpoint Of Water": Donald Trump On Hurricane Florence www.buzzfeednews.com

Any word yet if this one is even wetter, from the standpoint of water?

#65 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-28 07:13 PM | Reply

No Sharknado.

#66 | Posted by visitor_ at 2022-09-28 07:14 PM | Reply

No Sharknado

But there was a cruising incident on a Naples highway.

#67 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-09-28 07:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Speaksoftly: "If you were on the side of facts you wouldnt have to keep changing your argument."

Global cooling became global warming which has become climate change.

Studies have predicted both more and stronger storms AND fewer storms.

Science is hard and involves a lot math and often conflicting hypotheses.

#68 | Posted by visitor_ at 2022-09-28 07:23 PM | Reply

Rcade, what is the insurance situation there?

Before we left your area in 2014 Allstate had booted us and we were able to get a policy with an independent agent who was a friend. The cost was around 2K a year.

I have heard of companies going under and wonder if after this insurance will even be available.

#69 | Posted by TenMile at 2022-09-28 07:25 PM | Reply

Speaksoftly: "If you were on the side of facts you wouldnt have to keep changing your argument."

Global cooling became global warming which has become climate change.

Studies have predicted both more and stronger storms AND fewer storms.

Science is hard and involves a lot math and often conflicting hypotheses.

#68 | Posted by visitor_

It does. And very smart people know how to interpret that data for you. You should stop listening to the ones who spent 40 years calling climate change a hoax.

#70 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-28 07:29 PM | Reply

Do you think that you're a smart person? Do you think a study of climate spanning 40 years is conclusive?

#71 | Posted by visitor_ at 2022-09-28 07:44 PM | Reply

Do you think that you're a smart person? Do you think a study of climate spanning 40 years is conclusive?

#71 | Posted by visitor_

I'm smart enough to listen to smart people. You're dumb enough to listen to morons and liars.

Nothing is ever conclusive. Another favorite technique of pollution puppets is pretending they're reasonable people who are just waiting for "all the data" while the world burns down.

#72 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-28 08:03 PM | Reply

I just hope all retorters in the storm path are safe. &hearts

#73 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2022-09-28 08:13 PM | Reply

Anyone heard from Twinpac?

#74 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-09-28 08:16 PM | Reply

I give your opinion on climate and a climate study with a ridiculously short time span a low level of credibility.

#75 | Posted by visitor_ at 2022-09-28 08:31 PM | Reply

Best of luck to all Floridians in the hurricane's path. Hope all DR Floridians stay safe.

#76 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-09-28 08:39 PM | Reply

Pisitor_ can't help being a retarded dbag. SAD!

#77 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-09-28 08:48 PM | Reply

"If you can, get out of the storm's path. Worst case scenario, tell Ron DeSantis you're Venezuelan....maybe he'll fly you to Martha's Vineyard."

-Stephen Colbert to Floridians

#78 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2022-09-28 09:40 PM | Reply

I give your opinion on climate and a climate study with a ridiculously short time span a low level of credibility.

#75 | Posted by visitor_

My opinion is that you should listen to the people who know more than you do. Your opinion is that you shouldn't and no one knows more than you anyway.

#79 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-28 10:05 PM | Reply

I'm older than 40 so my study goes back further.

The last 40 years of advancements in weather and climate observational technology might have more weight than your grandpa's recollection of the "Big Blow of 1907".

#80 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-09-28 10:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#74 She posted on the Nooner today. Thaknfully for her in Fort Lauderdale it was a nothing burger.

#81 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2022-09-28 10:31 PM | Reply

Thaknfully for her in Fort Lauderdale it was a nothing burger.

Nice. Thought she was near Naples... not that I know where anything is down there.

#82 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-09-28 10:36 PM | Reply

#82 It's 9:21 am on a Wednesday morning here in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida and whatever hurricane that was supposed to happen never did. I probably can't say as much for the Key West. We had some rain
last night but not more than we usually get in a rain storm. I see the palm trees are still blowing a little bit in the wind. The sky is trying to turn blue again and all is well. #10 | POSTED BY TWINPAC AT 2022-09-28 09:38 AM

Going out on a limb and assuming Danni is fin as well, they live a few miles a part. If anything RCADE got the worst of it.

#83 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2022-09-28 10:55 PM | Reply

~fine~

#84 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2022-09-28 10:56 PM | Reply

Yes you are ;)

#85 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2022-09-28 11:04 PM | Reply

Science has a lot of uncertainty. Climate science regurgitated by non-scientists not so much.

#55 | Posted by visitor_

Climate science communicated by climate scientsts not so much.

The uncertainty is in the details. Not the major conclusions like you tools make it out to be.

#86 | Posted by jpw at 2022-09-28 11:16 PM | Reply

I'm older than 40 and I remember lower temperatures and far fewer wildfires and droughts.

#62 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

I'm turning 40 and I remember actual winters with snow from November until March (sometimes April) that was pretty constant and reliable.

Now, it's a few big events a year with golf courses open on Christmas some years.

#87 | Posted by jpw at 2022-09-28 11:19 PM | Reply

#82 I thought Corky lived near Naples, but I could be wrong. Yav is somewhere in Florida too. Hope both are well

#88 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-09-28 11:27 PM | Reply

I thought Corky lived near Naples, but I could be wrong. Yav is somewhere in Florida too. Hope both are well

I suspect Yav is at the Love's up in Lake City paying the bills (there's a lot of out of state lineman in town) and Corky is re-reading his GlobalPolicy.Org article about "Neo-Liberalism" by candlelight.

I reckon everyone should be Grateful and Blessed that things are going as well in the midst of this Absolutely Worst Hurricane in the Whole Entire History of Geologic Time Because of Global Warming and Election Year and Ron DeSantis and Stuff.....

Ya'll keep your heads down and stay safe and stay glued to The Weather Channel while your illegitimate government blows up subsea pipelines in Europe for ideological ends.....

Tootles

#89 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2022-09-28 11:39 PM | Reply

"I dont always enjoy climate change, but when I do, it's because climate change is punishing a state full of climate change deniers.

I don't always support withholding federal aid, but when I do, it's because a state that wants to bring down the federal government suddenly needs help with a problem they helped cause.

#12 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2022-09-28 01:15 PM | REPLY"

SpeakSoftly proving again that he/she is a horrible human being, to wish harm on 22 million people because roughly 25% of them are Republicans. What a nasty POS you are.

Meanwhile,
"Let's put politics aside and do all we can for our fellow citizens
Both in Florida an puerto rico

#34 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2022-09-28 02:16 PM | REPLY"

Thanks, that post just earned your removal from my "do not reply" list. Looking forward to respectful discussion with you in the future if you are so inclined.

#90 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2022-09-28 11:43 PM | Reply

As to Climate change, I agree with many of you that man made climate change is real and significant. The problem I have is that climate change data and research has been manipulated, extrapolated and exaggerated, so much, and often for political purposes. The result is that NOBODY trusts what they read anymore, instead most people choose to believe what they want to hear.

If we had a little more truth and a lot less politics in reporting of important subjects, maybe we could solve some of our problems instead of using them to further divide us into opposing camps.

#91 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2022-09-28 11:52 PM | Reply

The result is that NOBODY trusts what they read anymore, instead most people choose to believe what they want to hear.

This is why we need an Internet with rules and transparency.

Internet freedom is a weapon of war,how do you expect to tackle climate change if people don't believe it exists?

#92 | Posted by oneironaut at 2022-09-28 11:54 PM | Reply

SpeakSoftly proving again that he/she is a horrible human being, to wish harm on 22 million people because roughly 25% of them are Republicans. What a nasty POS you are.

Be careful, he/she'll call you a Republican now... just because you don't agree with him/her.

#93 | Posted by oneironaut at 2022-09-28 11:57 PM | Reply

Internet freedom is a weapon of war, how do you expect to tackle climate change if people don't believe it exists?

And it's not just climate change.

Even in 2022, a vast swath of the population still doesn't understand that "inflation" is caused by greedy corporations opportunistically raising prices to line their pockets.

There are a myriad of things, the veracity of which should no longer be open for discussion but still are (i.e. COVID vaccine efficacy, systemic racism, genderfluidism, Hunter's laptop, etc.), because of internet misinformation.

It's time to clamp down and fix it.

That takes a transnational effort of both State and Corporate actors working together to help us build a better world.

#94 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2022-09-29 12:05 AM | Reply

The total lack of empathy and humanity in the Republican party is disgusting
~ SpeaksSoftly

Florida is getting what it deserves!
~ Also SpeaksSoftly

#95 | Posted by oneironaut at 2022-09-29 12:09 AM | Reply

Even in 2022, a vast swath of the population still doesn't understand that "inflation" is caused by greedy corporations opportunistically raising prices to line their pockets.
#94 | POSTED BY MAO_CONTENT

Exactly nothing 30 something edits to Wikipedia can't cure!

#96 | Posted by oneironaut at 2022-09-29 12:11 AM | Reply

Wikipedia is a major root cause of the problem.

We have ".gov" websites for a reason"-because they're able to accurately communicate reliable information.

Hopefully the Administration can work closely with their major internet Provider-Partners to streamline the flow of information so as to eliminate chaff from sources like "Wikipedia" and focus on the dissemination of factual information.

We can only hope.

#97 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2022-09-29 12:23 AM | Reply

I'm not talking about general internet misinformation. I'm talking about the "reliable sources" that society needs to be able to place their trust in, like scientists, academics, and network news anchors. There was a time, before society fell apart, when most folks ini those lines of work had scruples and integrity, and believed that truth was more important than politics. Now so many of them have sold out, heavily biased and are using their platforms to advance a political agenda ... ... .or just to maximize clicks for financial gain.we as a society have lost our "reliable sources"

#98 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2022-09-29 12:29 AM | Reply

Hurricane coverage is a good example. TV news, particularly local news, deliberately skews facts, stretches and distorts maps and employs other techniques to exaggerate the impact of the storm. The point isn't to reliably inform the viewer, it is to keep them scared and tuned in. The problem is it creates a "cry wolf" environment, where they stop paying attention because the scary predictions never come to fruition ... ..until they do. I've seen this reaction in friends family and the general public through my work. This type of coverage in the years preceeding Katrina probably caused a great number of deaths.

I onky pay attention to noaa.gov for Hurricane coverage. I have learned to read and use all the resources available there, and when I do catch the news, I'm just flabbergasted by the deliberate inaccuracies in the coverage.

#99 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2022-09-29 12:41 AM | Reply

I'm not talking about general internet misinformation. I'm talking about the "reliable sources" that society needs to be able to place their trust in

I get what you're saying, Miranda-Panda. I truly do. I used to be like you.

But your over-reliance on things like "Objective Truth" and "scruples" and "integrity" are deeply rooted in a very specific, white Northern European perspective.

What's important for you to understand is that, at the end of the day, we all exist on this Spaceship Earth, and that said Spaceship only has x amount of resources. Those resources need to be distributed to all passengers in the most equitable way possible.

Sometimes that means foregoing archaic concepts like "Truth". Sometimes that means moving from "Fact-Based" knowledge to "Narrative-Based" knowledge.

We're trying to build a better world. People far smarter than you are are working on it. You should be grateful.

Do you own an electric care yet?

#100 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2022-09-29 01:08 AM | Reply

car.

An electric car.

My bad.

#101 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2022-09-29 01:10 AM | Reply

I think I'm finally beginning to see the light.

We DO need to clamp down on all of that icky misinformation that is floating around in cyber-space and other venues.

It's for the greater good. Diversity. Equity. Inclusion.

It must be shutdown so they/themkind can flourish in a wonderful new globalist world.

I think I hear birds peacefully chirping....

#102 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-09-29 01:27 AM | Reply

Just let Mao do it.

He's better. It's actually entertaining to read.

Yours are a bit forced.

Try workshopping them with him at the Konservative Kry Klub before posting it here.

#103 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-09-29 01:29 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Yeah...I was feeling inspired but it did come across as a bit "forced" as you astutely observed.

Thanks for the advice.

#104 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-09-29 01:30 AM | Reply

I will commend him.

Mao is doing some decent satire.

#105 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-09-29 01:39 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

There was a time, before society fell apart, when most folks ini those lines of work had scruples and integrity, and believed that truth was more important than politics. Now so many of them have sold out, heavily biased and are using their platforms to advance a political agenda ... ... .or just to maximize clicks for financial gain.we as a society have lost our "reliable sources"

#98 | Posted by Miranda7

Tell me you don't know what you're talking about without telling me you don't know what you're talking about.

Seriously, the above is absolute --------.

#106 | Posted by jpw at 2022-09-29 10:05 AM | Reply

"There was a time, before society fell apart"

When did society fall apart?
Was it at noon on Jan 20, 2021?

#107 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-29 10:13 AM | Reply

JPW if you are going to be a dick to me at least explain your point. Unless your point is just to be a dick.

#108 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2022-09-29 10:39 AM | Reply

He's not being a dick, he's saying you're full of ----.

When was this #MAGA time you're lamenting the loss of, when people weren't corruptible by money?
Because when I was a kid there was a thing called The Tobacco Institute.
I also do not see local news exaggerating the impact of the local weather. Like, at all.
Their advertising for their weather radar is no doubt overly dramatic.
In San Diego they would send a live truck to the highway overpass when it rained, where the Latina demonstrated how you could see the rain coming down at a 45 degree angle, so the coverage is also completely over the top. Which brings us to the Mexican weather girls.

But the factual portion of the content does not seem questionable to me.

#109 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-29 12:27 PM | Reply

" JPW if you are going to be a dick to me at least explain your point. Unless your point is just to be a dick.

#108 | POSTED BY MIRANDA7 AT 2022-09-29 10:39 AM | FLAG: "

If you aren't solidly left wing he assumes you are a stupid POS and condescends accordingly.

#110 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-09-29 01:05 PM | Reply

Lol...JPW #106, you took the words out of my mouth. Miranda likes to come across as intelligent, but then you read the substance of their posts, and much of it is partisan word salad and unsubstantiated opinion...

#111 | Posted by earthmuse at 2022-09-29 03:18 PM | Reply

I based on reading her posts, I believe Miranda was raised with extremely conservative beliefs and has never taken the time to examine what she's been taught.

#112 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-09-29 03:29 PM | Reply

Based on ... *

#113 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-09-29 03:30 PM | Reply

JPW if you are going to be a dick to me at least explain your point. Unless your point is just to be a dick.

#108 | POSTED BY MIRANDA7

Sorry, I'm a scientist who spent a lot of time in academia. I've followed closely anti-science movements like anti-vaxx, climate change denial, HIV denial, evolution denial ...

They all use that laughable line.

Seriously, do you have any idea what academic salaries are like? Or the fact that you don't get a grant then simply pay yourself what you want? Or that grants aren't for that much (in the big picture) and you're expected to produce A LOT in order to get it renewed? Or that study sections are anything but buddies yucking it up handing out the government bennies to each other?

Science hasn't changed much (for better or for worse). Society did.

#114 | Posted by jpw at 2022-09-29 03:35 PM | Reply

The anti-science morons seem to love the phrase "do your own research".

#115 | Posted by Tor at 2022-09-29 03:38 PM | Reply

Internet freedom is a weapon of war,how do you expect to tackle climate change if people don't believe it exists?

#92 | Posted by oneironaut

That was a problem before the internet. Your party started calling it a hoax back in the 90s. Fox news doesn't require the internet to spread their lies.

#116 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-29 03:43 PM | Reply

The total lack of empathy and humanity in the Republican party is disgusting
~ SpeaksSoftly

Florida is getting what it deserves!
~ Also SpeaksSoftly

#95 | Posted by oneironaut

Oh so lack of empathy is bad when democrats have lack of empathy. But you have no problem with republican's lack of empathy. Got it.

My posts were to question how republicans would react to the receiving the treatment they give to liberals. Now we know. Utter hipocrisy.

#117 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-29 03:45 PM | Reply

He'll rightly want - and get - all the help the federal government can offer now.

The day after he was sworn into office, Jan. 4, 2013, DeSantis voted against a $9.7 billion relief package for the New York and New Jersey victims of Hurricane Sandy.

www.tampabay.com


#118 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2022-09-29 04:07 PM | Reply

Sorry, I'm a scientist who spent a lot of time in academia. I've followed closely anti-science movements like anti-vaxx, climate change denial, HIV denial, evolution denial ...
They all use that laughable line.
Seriously, do you have any idea what academic salaries are like? Or the fact that you don't get a grant then simply pay yourself what you want? Or that grants aren't for that much (in the big picture) and you're expected to produce A LOT in order to get it renewed? Or that study sections are anything but buddies yucking it up handing out the government bennies to each other?
Science hasn't changed much (for better or for worse). Society did.

#114 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2022-09-29 03:35 PM | REPLY

JPW, you put alot into what you think I meant that I didn't say at all. I pay attention when you post because I can see you know your subject matter. I have a great deal of respect for scientists and academia, and know that most of you work very hard and adhere to scientific methodology and truth seeking. Unfortunately there is a small minority of your peers who sell their souls, and use their skills to advance pharmaceutical profits, political doctrines, or media talking points for click bait. I'm sure you've seen the poorly done studies, manipulated statistical analysis and misleading "experts" on TV and the internet. These people (who come from BOTH sides of the political spectrum) should infuriate you as much as they infuriate me.

Unfortunately these people make it difficult for the layman to discern truth. The result is a generalized lack of trust in what people USED to see as reliable sources. THAT is what I was talking about. Once upon a time, people knew if Walter Cronkite said it, it was probably true. They respected people with titles like Doctor or Professor. But so many of those people have pimped themselves out and aligned themselves with profit or causes, nobody trusts those titles anymore. That really SUCKS for people like you and leaves a void for the disinformation specialists to walk right into.

#119 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2022-09-29 07:46 PM | Reply

I based on reading her posts, I believe Miranda was raised with extremely conservative beliefs and has never taken the time to examine what she's been taught.

#112 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2022-09-29 03:29 PM | FLAG:
(CHOOSE)
LOL Now YOU are just being a dick to be a dick. Why else would you even bother to speculate about my upbringing. Its downright comical for me to read that because you have no idea how totally wrong you are about me. Obviously you have paid no attention to my posts. May as well keep it that way.

#120 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2022-09-29 07:54 PM | Reply

Lol...JPW #106, you took the words out of my mouth. Miranda likes to come across as intelligent, but then you read the substance of their posts, and much of it is partisan word salad and unsubstantiated opinion...

#111 | POSTED BY EARTHMUSE AT 2022-09-29 03:18 PM | FLAG:
(CHOOSE)
PARTISAN WORD SALAD? Where? This should be a relatively non partisan topic, my post was non partisan, so WTF you talking about? You are just another dude being a dick just to be a dick. So desperate to create an opponent because YOU aren't allowed to express YOUR unsubstantiated opinions at home? Poor pitiful you.

#121 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2022-09-29 08:01 PM | Reply

It looked like it was headed right to Rogers' house... not sure what he did to piss Ian off!

I was all ready for an overnight stay at Fernandina Island just north of Jacksonville Wednesday, so I went to St George Island and Carrabelle instead, up near Apalachicola.

It turns out that Ian was pushed south enough so that there was little damage and no outage in the Forest, so I could have stayed home.

The forecast had been 100 mph gusts here, and that was before it was a Cat 5.

#122 | Posted by Corky at 2022-09-29 08:11 PM | Reply

#122 Glad you are safe, Corky. I was worried cause I thought you lived in the Naples area, but I wasn't sure.

#123 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-09-29 08:20 PM | Reply

Thanks, Gal!

I've been in Horse Country and the Ocala Forest for half a dozen years now . Naples got too hot ALL year rather than just too hot and humid in the summer for me. Plus I've been in enough hurricanes in FL and in New England to not want to do that anymore.

Now central FL (aka far Southern GA) is the same, so I'm thinking of going north and west again.

Just another climate migrant... hey, maybe Ron DeShame and Ayatollah Abbott could set me up on Martha's Vineyard?

#124 | Posted by Corky at 2022-09-29 10:12 PM | Reply

Or Santa Barbara, maybe!

#125 | Posted by Corky at 2022-09-29 10:14 PM | Reply

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