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Friday, September 30, 2022

Philip Bump: Since the election, Monmouth University has asked Americans whether they attribute President Biden's 2020 victory to his winning fair and square or his winning due to voter fraud. And since they started asking that question in November 2020, the percentage of Republicans who claim that Biden only won due to voter fraud has hardly budged at all.

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Paste-eating MAGAts are beyond pathetic.

#1 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2022-09-29 11:24 AM | Reply

Republicans were progressives; Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt, even Ike, before they became conservatives.

Now most of them are deluded fanatics conned by authoritarian leaders; neoliberals who serve the 1 percent.

Supply-side economics was and is a massive failure for everyone but the elites, as any honest economist will tell you.

www.marketwatch.com

#2 | Posted by Corky at 2022-09-30 12:01 PM | Reply

What would it take to convince those believers that Pres Biden actually won the election?

I'd say it is a near-impossible task. Not because of being able to show there was little election fraud, but mainly because they would have to admit that Pres Biden (one of those enemy Democrats) is the President of the United States.

ino, the latter is tougher for them to admit than the former.

My current question --- in future presidential elections, will the Big Lie believers ever be able to say that a Democrat has won the Oval Office?


#3 | Posted by lamplighter at 2022-09-30 12:03 PM | Reply

12 minutes of Democrats denying election results:

www.youtube.com

"It's fine when we do it!"

#4 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-09-30 12:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

They used an over-hyped Plandemic and weaponized propaganda to achieve more Globalist-friendly political outcomes---including changing voting rules prior to the 2020 election.

There's no doubt in my mind that some people counted 81 million votes filled out for that ------- vegetable.

But there's no ------- way you're gonna convince anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together that 81 million actual people voted for him.

The whole world watched what happened that night.

Shut off the lights, lock the doors, and come back when you have the "right" answer.

And that's exactly what they did, in exactly the places they needed to do it.

#5 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2022-09-30 12:19 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

12 minutes of Democrats denying election results

Is it true that You Tube just demonetized that video?

Or is that another MAGAt conspiracy theory?

#6 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2022-09-30 12:22 PM | Reply

Here's how MAGA filth deny elections.

pbs.twimg.com

#7 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2022-09-30 12:26 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"But there's no ------- way you're gonna convince anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together that 81 million actual people voted for him."

Sending hugs your way!

#8 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-30 12:34 PM | Reply

#6 I read that the video was demonetized but I haven't tried to confirm it. Given that Youtube scrubbed a video of a speech from the new PM of Italy, I'd say it's highly probable that this video was demonetized.

#9 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-09-30 12:35 PM | Reply

12 minutes of Democrats denying election results

That's a pretty damning video.

I mean, it kinda ----- up the entire (attempted) premise of this thread.

I wonder if it's Deep-Faked?

Did all those people really say those things?

#10 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2022-09-30 12:42 PM | Reply

Mao Content,

Yes, his video montage has been demonetized. It's confirmed.

#11 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-09-30 12:44 PM | Reply

@#4 ... "It's fine when we do it!" ...

False equivalence, but the video is from the GOP, so no surprise.

For example... Did the Democrats, in any of those 12 minutes of examples, mount a violent insurrection attempt to change the results? Did the Democrats, in any of those 12-minutes of video, try to use false Electors to change the results of the elections?

But I get it, that's the best the GOP can do to try to rationalize their loyalty to a man instead of the Constitution.

My questions in #3 still stand.


#12 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-09-30 12:47 PM | Reply

It was a rhetorical question---but thanks for confirming.

What do you call it when multi-billion dollar information technology companies collude with authoritarians to suppress and/or amplify certain information to ensure a specific political agenda in promulgated?

#13 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2022-09-30 12:48 PM | Reply

&bsop

@#10 ... I mean, it kinda ----- up the entire (attempted) premise of this thread. ...

Not really. It more confirms the premise of this thread because of the false equivalence.

But a nice try anyway.


#14 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-09-30 12:48 PM | Reply

"They used an over-hyped Plandemic and weaponized propaganda"

^
Why didn't you Deplorables use an over-hyped Plandemic and weaponized propaganda?
???

#15 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-30 12:48 PM | Reply

False equivalence

No. It's not "false equivalence", you obtuse mouth-breathing ----.

It's 12 minutes of Democrat ---- denying the results of an election.

And your ------- nose is being rubbed in it.

but the video is from the GOP

Who gives a ---- where it came from?

Are you denying the content of it is real?

#16 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2022-09-30 12:51 PM | Reply

"The whole world watched what happened that night."

In person ballots getting counted first, followed by absentee ballots getting counted is what happened that night.

"Shut off the lights, lock the doors, and come back when you have the "right" answer."

Why would the Republicans who run Georgia pick Biden?

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-30 12:51 PM | Reply

Lamplighter,

Here is the Taibbi video that was demonetized:

www.youtube.com

#18 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-09-30 12:51 PM | Reply

"It's 12 minutes of Democrat ---- denying the results of an election."

So, you're just like those Democrats?

"And your ------- nose is being rubbed in it."

So, you're just like those Democrats?

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-30 12:52 PM | Reply

"What do you call it when multi-billion dollar information technology companies collude with authoritarians to suppress and/or amplify certain information to ensure a specific political agenda in promulgated?"

^
Why didn't Deplorables think of that?

#20 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-30 12:54 PM | Reply

"Did the Democrats, in any of those 12-minutes of video, try to use false Electors to change the results of the elections?"

Check out the Taibbi video. It shows violence and calls for the electors to overturn the results.

#21 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-09-30 12:55 PM | Reply

It more confirms the premise of this thread because of the false equivalence

The premise of the thread is that so many people believe the 2020 election is illegitimate, and "Philip Bump" is very upset about it, apparently. So he wrote an article about it.

You just had your nose rubbed numerous examples of influential democrat ---- (not faceless voters being polled) engaging in the exact same behavior.

So now you want to change the subject talk about the subsequent demonstrations at the Capitol.

---- out of here with that ----, Puke.

#22 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2022-09-30 12:55 PM | Reply

It shows violence and calls for the electors to overturn the results

Oh, that's just a conspiracy theory.

That didn't happen.

#23 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2022-09-30 12:58 PM | Reply

@#22 ... So now you want to change the subject talk about the subsequent demonstrations at the Capitol. ...

Not really, I just used that behavior to substantiate my false equivalence comment.

That your comment tries to dismiss my false equivalence comment shows the veracity of it.

But a nice try...

#24 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-09-30 01:00 PM | Reply


#@21 ... "Did the Democrats, in any of those 12-minutes of video, try to use false Electors to change the results of the elections?"

It shows violence and calls for the electors to overturn the results. ...

So, your answer is "no" then, confirming my false equivalency comment.

thx.

#25 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-09-30 01:03 PM | Reply

I just used that behavior to substantiate my false equivalence comment.

And then you were immediately shown why you weren't successful in doing so.

Dumbass.

Maybe you should stick to "climate change" threads.

#26 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2022-09-30 01:09 PM | Reply

Looks like moe_discontent (like most republicans) still support the big lie.

Maybe he should stick to contemplating his navel.

#27 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-09-30 01:22 PM | Reply

@#26 ... And then you were immediately shown why you weren't successful in doing so. ...

Not really. But do keep trying.

For example...

How many of those in the 12-minute video went on to mount a court challenge to the election results? How many of those challenges were successful? If they were not successful (i.e., they lost the case), what happened next? And a year later?

That's just for starters.

As I said... a false equivalency, because ya apparently got nuthin' else.


#28 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-09-30 01:25 PM | Reply

"anks for confirming.
What do you call it when multi-billion dollar information technology companies collude with authoritarians to suppress and/or amplify certain information to ensure a specific political agenda in promulgated?"

I call that a lie that only MAGA cult members believe.

#29 | Posted by danni at 2022-09-30 01:30 PM | Reply

Shut off the lights, lock the doors, and come back when you have the "right" answer.
And that's exactly what they did, in exactly the places they needed to do it.
#5 | POSTED BY MAO_CONTENT

Lmfao. Republicans are such ------- -------.

#30 | Posted by JOE at 2022-09-30 01:32 PM | Reply

The funny thing is that voter fraud is relatively easy to identify. This is not quantum physics here; this is a couple of lists of people and comparing those lists. The idea that there was widespread voter fraud is patently ridiculous.

#31 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-09-30 01:36 PM | Reply

Lamplighter,
Here is the Taibbi video that was demonetized:
www.youtube.com
#18 | POSTED BY BELLRINGE

Just to clarify what happened, it 2016 ------- coordinated with Russians to effect the election and that coordination most assuredly allowed ------- to win. Russia also attempted to and succeeded in hacking into the voting infrastructure.

In 2020, ------- claimed, ummm what, multiple different ways that voter fraud occurred (dead voters, recounting ballots, changing ballots, ballots being thrown away)-all of which were debunked-ALL CONSPIRACIES debunked

So, how are the 2 equivalent?

#32 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-09-30 01:43 PM | Reply

Just to clarify what happened, it 2016 ------- coordinated with Russians to effect the election and that coordination most assuredly allowed ------- to win.

LOL...

What a ------- idiot.

#33 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2022-09-30 01:47 PM | Reply

- many people believe the 2020 election is illegitimate

The plain simple facts don't matter to some people.

They appear to "think" that 60 something Courts including Trump judge appointees who saw what Rudy G said was "evidence" laughed him out of Court.

There was not, is not, and will never be proof that there was voter fraud that elected Biden. This idea that Biden could never have beaten Trump is just a reflection of Trump's own narcissism.

And the idea that states illegally changed voting laws because of the pandemic is yet another lie... they did so legally, and the states are the final arbiter of their election laws, not sore loser rwingers.

.

The TRUTH is that Trump's own appointed AG, his handpicked DoJ and Homeland Sec heads, his own WH lawyers and his personal aides have testified under oath to the Committee, and now to the DoJ, that Trump knowingly committed crimes to change the result of an election his own people told him he had lost.

But Trumpers are under the spell of The Donald, con artist extraordinaire, and the facts don't matter; they won't even address the facts.

We see it here all the time.

#34 | Posted by Corky at 2022-09-30 01:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I feel sad that they're still thinking that Trump was ever the good guy.
He is the puppet on the right hand. Biden is the puppet on the left hand.
They both serve the puppet master. You? Me? No not at all. Biden cares for you as little as Trump cared for them.

Definition of 'mene, mene, tekel, upharsin' - Collins Dictionary
https://www.collinsdictionary.com dictionary english
Mene, mene, tekel, upharsin definition: the words that appeared on the wall during Belshazzar's Feast ( Daniel 5:25), interpreted.

There is only one war, Always has been.

#35 | Posted by facthunt at 2022-09-30 04:08 PM | Reply

@#35 ... He is the puppet on the right hand. ...

Fmr Pres Trump is puppet to no one but himself.

#36 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-09-30 04:27 PM | Reply

- Biden cares for you as little as Trump cared for them.

The parties are not the same... the meme that they are is counterproductive.

In Congress, most of any good progressive agenda has the backing of most Dems.

The GOP is bought and payed for in toto, while most Dems are just rented while bribery of politicians is the law of the land since Citizens United, when that had been illegal for over 200 years.

The war that matters right now is that between the only two major political movements in he world today; neoliberalism and social democracy.

#37 | Posted by Corky at 2022-09-30 04:37 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Biden didn't get 81 million votes. No way in hell he out did Chocolate Jesus.

We watched certain states report numbers for Trump then an hour later that number changed but...... they went down. The problem was there wasn't any explanation on why.

It's now not even arguable that social media was used to manipulate voters by suppressing information, blocking content, and deleting users. Worst of all is it was perpetuated by people in government.

MSM was also used to spread hype about a virus that we now know, was nowhere near as harmful as we were led to believe. Many people, including some medical doctors lost any platforms they had to discuss COVID simply because they didn't swallow the load that the government shot in their mouths.

The documentary "2000 Mules" used the same tech that the FBI and CIA use to track cellular users and what we were shown is disturbing. The 3-letter agencies were welcomed to "debunk" the data but as far as I know they didn't accept the invitation.

If there were ever to be another civil war in America, it would be rooted in the above - not racism.

#38 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2022-09-30 05:46 PM | Reply

No way in hell he out did Chocolate Jesus.

60 odd court cases disagree.

#39 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-09-30 05:50 PM | Reply

Record low number of counties, record high votes, record low approval ratings...

promises to end fossil fuels, record high fuel prices
wants electric cars, power grid already failing, 500,000 tons of mine tailings per battery

originates oppressive drug laws, own son smokes meth

point man for ukr takeover, receives payoff, sends money

No what again has he done for me or for you?
Progressive agenda? Sorry really doesn't help anything. Nothing real.
Show me universal health care at least then say he's done something for us.

Meanwhile Trump does at least one thing to benefit all of us, he tariff'd china.
That still stands, last time I checked - one thing not reversed by Biden.
China btw charges us at least 25%, up to 3000% (on industrial equipment)

#40 | Posted by facthunt at 2022-09-30 06:26 PM | Reply

Biden didn't get 81 million votes. No way in hell he out did Chocolate Jesus.

We watched certain states report numbers for Trump then an hour later that number changed but...... they went down. The problem was there wasn't any explanation on why.

#38 | Posted by lfthndthrds

It's called MORE VOTES ARRIVING stupid. That's why trump declared victory early. He knew late arriving ballots wouldn't be in his favor. And you fell for it like all his other cons.

Biden got 81 million votes because orange jesus got a half million americans killed with his lies and incompetence. He was so bad that he made biden get more votes than obama.

And your dumb brain is so shocked he wouldn't get re elected after all his crimes and failures that the only explanation you can come up with is corruption.

#41 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-30 06:47 PM | Reply

No what again has he done for me or for you?
Progressive agenda? Sorry really doesn't help anything. Nothing real.
Show me universal health care at least then say he's done something for us.

Meanwhile Trump does at least one thing to benefit all of us, he tariff'd china.
That still stands, last time I checked - one thing not reversed by Biden.
China btw charges us at least 25%, up to 3000% (on industrial equipment)

#40 | Posted by facthunt

He saved your country from fascism, -------.

For non fascists, that's all we need to call him a successful president.

You know trump's tariffs are a big part of that inflation your party is always blaming on biden right?
And trump picked the guy who keeps raising interest rates.

#42 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-30 06:49 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

"Biden didn't get 81 million votes."

You're right.

"Not Trump" got 81 million votes.

If you can't accept that, it's on you.

#43 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-09-30 07:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

" The problem was there wasn't any explanation on why."

Nonsense. If that was the case, you had over 60 court cases to present evidence.

You either don't have ANY evidence, or you're waiting to reveal it. And no one believes the latter.

#44 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-09-30 07:33 PM | Reply

These are the same people that punch refs when their kid's team doesn't win the middle school football game.

#45 | Posted by horstngraben at 2022-09-30 07:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

- point man for ukr takeover, receives payoff, sends money

It's impressive that you can type with that tight white strapped jacket on.

#46 | Posted by Corky at 2022-09-30 09:22 PM | Reply

#38 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

Been waiting for you to provide a decent reason to plonk your dumb a**.

Thanks for finally pulling through.

Swallow it, you racist fnkc.

#47 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2022-09-30 09:47 PM | Reply

#46 | Posted by Corky

How Russia's seizure of Crimea is shaping Biden's actions today
www.washingtonpost.com politics 2022
Mar 21, 2022 " Biden, as Obama's point man on Ukraine, wanted to ship more lethal weapons to the country in 2014 but was overruled by his boss.

I do my homework Corky.

#48 | Posted by facthunt at 2022-09-30 10:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#42
"For non fascists, that's all we need to call him a successful president."

There's the pejorative epithet logic again.
Reciprocal tariffs are inherently fair. Unbalanced tariffs translate into trade deficits which are manifested as national debt. They never should have been granted free access to our narkets in the first place. China could crush us economically at any time because of the debt they hold. Fire sale our bonds.

No, inflation was not a thing because of the tariffs, even if they were, why were they not reversed by the 'other side'? The 'other side'?

Thanks for the reply, speaksoftly. Interaction ensmartens us all!
Remember that the insult logic is designed to limit interaction, to divide and distract.

#49 | Posted by facthunt at 2022-09-30 10:45 PM | Reply

#LOL81millionLOL

#50 | Posted by visitor_ at 2022-09-30 11:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- I do my homework Corky.

You can't even post a link correctly.

www.washingtonpost.com

Putin hadn't invaded Ukraine when Obama declined to act more aggressively back then.

If you ax'ed him to day, his response would have been the same to as Joe's has been to Vlad's Excellent Invasion.

Oh, wait, no need to ask....

www.independent.co.uk

#51 | Posted by Corky at 2022-10-01 12:19 AM | Reply

"Biden didn't get 81 million votes. No way in hell he out did Chocolate Jesus."

It's not hard to do.

It's so easy, even Hillary Clinton got more votes than Obama.

At the time, Hillary Clinton got the most votes ever.

#52 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-10-01 12:23 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"No what again has he done for me or for you?"

Sometimes, it's what you don't do.

Like that time he didn't make abortion illegal.

Or that time he didn't turn off the tape recorder when he was talking to Putin.

Or the porn star he didn't raw dog.

#53 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-10-01 12:26 AM | Reply

"Putin hadn't invaded Ukraine when Obama declined to act more aggressively back then."

Yes Corky, I realize that, and I'm not going to spoon-feed links when the point can be made immediate. The point I was making is that this situation did not start with the Russian 'invasion', it started with the US facilitated 'transfer of power' in 2014, a follow-up to the failed Orange Revolution of 2004.
Now portions of Ukraine are breakaway republics themselves, as supported by Self-Determination, the same principle that Ukraine used to separate from USSR. 15 SSRs did the same, for the same logic - Self Determination. USSR ('Russia' in simple parlance) did not deny their right to self determination, did not try to force them to remain, did not outlaw their languages, did not outlaw their political parties and shell their cities as Ukr did to the Donbass people. Ukraine nationalists killed estimated 14,000 of the independence seekers over an eight year period.
That's enough for the moment. Look up some of the story for yourself, if you really want to learn what's happening. There's more to it than most are aware. I think Russia is awful and violent, but they are exceeded in all measures by Ukraine Nationalists.

#54 | Posted by facthunt at 2022-10-01 01:49 AM | Reply

"MSM was also used to spread hype about a virus that we now know, was nowhere near as harmful as we were led to believe."

Signed,
Herman Cain and a million other Americans

#55 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-10-01 01:57 AM | Reply

Been waiting for you to provide a decent reason to plonk your dumb a**.

#47 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11 AT 2022-09-30 09:47 PM | REPLY

But you didn't, drama queen.

#56 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2022-10-01 08:27 AM | Reply

Or the porn star he didn't raw dog.

#53 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2022-10-01 12:26 AM | REPLY

It's the important things that really matter.

#57 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2022-10-01 08:35 AM | Reply

It's the important things that really matter.
#57 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

Exactly.

And 1,000,000 dead Americans just aren't important to Trump voters.

#58 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-10-01 08:37 AM | Reply

Biden would have received more than 81 million votes if the demented orange pedo hadn't closed thousands of polling places while also sabotaging the USPS.

#59 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2022-10-01 09:29 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

First off which big lie are we talking about here. The 2004 election when Dems said election was stolen, 2016 with election being stolen, 2016-2018 Trump/Russia conspiracy crap, or are we talking about Stacey Abrams in Georgia (has she conceded that one yet?), or 2020 with Trump claiming election was stolen. So many big lies so hard to keep track of them. We should start numbering them so people know what we are talking about like WI, WII, god help us WIII.

#60 | Posted by laj at 2022-10-01 10:20 AM | Reply

Cultists often believe erroneous information.

#61 | Posted by earthmuse at 2022-10-01 11:43 AM | Reply

FACTHUNT What you posted is what Vlad the Mass Murderer wants you to post. His lies. You do know that Eastern 'Ukraine' was flooded with secret service and special forces coming in from 'Russia' in 2014 and while there may have been some Nazi's in a battalion of Ukrainian troops there is no way in hell that that represented a majority of soldiers in the Ukrainian army, navy or air force. There is more right wing Nazi wannabes in the US army than the Ukrainian army and they all pretty much think like you. That is like a 60 watt lightbulb that is burning at 10 watts.How dim you are to buy into all this BS about Nazis in the Ukrainian army. Either cash in your return trip to Russia or join the good guys and shut the hell up with all this spreading of Russian propaganda, Maybe study some history books, or actually talk to a Pole or Latvian or a Ukrainian if you wish to get a real perspective of what the Russians have done to these people over the decades but please stop with the stupidity as you are embarrassing yourself.

#62 | Posted by Wildman62 at 2022-10-01 12:15 PM | Reply

I do my homework Corky.

#48 | Posted by facthunt

What did your homework reveal about putin helping trump and then trump being putin's bitch?

#63 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-10-01 03:33 PM | Reply

First off which big lie are we talking about here. The 2004 election when Dems said election was stolen, 2016 with election being stolen, 2016-2018 Trump/Russia conspiracy crap, or are we talking about Stacey Abrams in Georgia (has she conceded that one yet?), or 2020 with Trump claiming election was stolen. So many big lies so hard to keep track of them. We should start numbering them so people know what we are talking about like WI, WII, god help us WIII.

#60 | Posted by laj

Well which one had no evidence stupid?

Hint - the one promoted by the criminal lifelong con man.

PS - why did trump rewrite the GOP platform to let putin keep crimea? Why did he pick a campaign manager who was in debt to russian oligarchs for 17 million and charged trump nothing?

#64 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-10-01 03:35 PM | Reply

#54

So... EffetteFiction?

So many sockpuppets, so few brains.

#65 | Posted by Corky at 2022-10-01 03:40 PM | Reply

What's with the sudden influx of new trump loving usernames? I thought all putin's minions were being summoned to the battlefront.

#66 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-10-01 04:10 PM | Reply

there was Voter Fraud but the Left Wing has suppressed the news covering it, and the arrests

however, you Dems do still believe there was Russia Collusion in 2016. and, you still believe Hunter's Laptop is Russian Disinformation

#67 | Posted by Maverick at 2022-10-01 06:41 PM | Reply

Lamp,

"False equivalence"

I agree.

2016 didn't have covid and the distortion caused by mail-in ballots.

#68 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-10-01 06:48 PM | Reply

"distortion caused by mail-in ballots."

What was distorted?
What are you talking about?

#69 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-10-01 06:49 PM | Reply

Snoofy,

Lest I be accused of being a troll, it's YOU I will not engage in a pointless exchange.

Nearly anyone else...but never you.

#70 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-10-01 06:59 PM | Reply

distortion caused by mail-in ballots.

#68 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Looking for evidence of something, anything, BILL.

#71 | Posted by Zed at 2022-10-01 07:05 PM | Reply

there was Voter Fraud but the Left Wing has suppressed the news covering it, and the arrests

#67 | POSTED BY MAVERICK

Looking for evidence of something, anything.

#72 | Posted by Zed at 2022-10-01 07:06 PM | Reply

#68 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

#67 | POSTED BY MAVERICK

Delusions hurt the deluded most of all.

#73 | Posted by Zed at 2022-10-01 07:07 PM | Reply

"Lest I be accused of being a troll, it's YOU I will not engage in a pointless exchange."

I tell you what, BillJohnson.

It's only pointless because you never substantiate your claim.

NEVER.

I make a point of pointing that out.

Thanks for reading and understanding.

#74 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-10-01 07:08 PM | Reply

Looking for evidence of something, anything.

I remember reading articles about Republicans getting arrested for voter fraud, but not enough to make much of a difference.

#75 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-10-01 07:10 PM | Reply

"you never substantiate your claim"

He's right of course, BILL.

Like The My Pillow Guy, your archetype, you talk and.....Well, that's all you do.

#76 | Posted by Zed at 2022-10-01 07:11 PM | Reply

I remember reading articles about Republicans getting arrested for voter fraud

#75 | POSTED BY REDIAL AT

Everyone knows examples of that.

But when it comes to the Crime of the Century, nada, nothing, zip.

#77 | Posted by Zed at 2022-10-01 07:13 PM | Reply

Zed,

Mail-in ballots distorted the results.

Covid resulted in voting processes being quickly pulled together to prevent human contact.

The election results of the 2020 election are mathematically bizarre when you take the time to read about it.

Over time the truth is coming out how distorted the results actually are when evaluated at the local level.

#78 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-10-01 07:18 PM | Reply

Over time the truth is coming out

#78 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

No, it's not. That you would say such a thing makes me doubt your reality testing.

#79 | Posted by Zed at 2022-10-01 07:20 PM | Reply

"Mail-in ballots distorted the results."

Plesse describe the nature of the distortion.

#80 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-10-01 07:21 PM | Reply

The election results of the 2020 election are mathematically bizarre when you take the time to read about it.

#78 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

I'm a reasonably intelligent guy. Provide me something besides a tease. I'll try to follow along.

#81 | Posted by Zed at 2022-10-01 07:21 PM | Reply

Plesse describe the nature of the distortion.

#80 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

I think he's trying to say that the distortion is Biden won.

#82 | Posted by Zed at 2022-10-01 07:22 PM | Reply

Plesse describe the nature of the distortion.

The distortion is they were counted last, as required by law in most places.

#83 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-10-01 07:24 PM | Reply

BILL is apparently gone, to bury his head in My Pillow.

#84 | Posted by Zed at 2022-10-01 07:27 PM | Reply

But, Bill. Should you come back, please realize that you demonstrate how unhinged from real life a certain point of view is. Your people threaten mass death on the basis of fairy tales that you never substantiate.

Whatever it is that actually happening in your minds is not near good enough for the rest of us.

#85 | Posted by Zed at 2022-10-01 07:29 PM | Reply

@#67 ... there was Voter Fraud but the Left Wing has suppressed the news covering it, and the arrests ...

Yes there was voter fraud. The media did not suppress it, they covered it.

The problem for the Big Lie believers is that the voter fraud was not anywhere near the level that they were asserting had occurred.

The question is not whether or not there was voter fraud. The question is whether or not voter fraud occurred at the level some are asserting.

#86 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-10-01 07:44 PM | Reply

@#68 ... Lamp,

"False equivalence"

I agree.

2016 didn't have covid and the distortion caused by mail-in ballots. ...
 

OK, you're gonna have to explain that.

What, exactly, distortion was caused by mail-in ballots?

Please provide details, with links.

thx.


#87 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-10-01 07:46 PM | Reply

People are getting stupider and more opinionated

#88 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-10-01 07:52 PM | Reply

Zed,

"Should you come back, please realize that you demonstrate how unhinged from real life a certain point of view is."

Tell me...what qualifies you to determine who is unhinged?

#89 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-10-01 07:55 PM | Reply

Lamp,

"OK, you're gonna have to explain that."

I don't "have to" anything.

I don't require anyone agree with me.

#90 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-10-01 07:58 PM | Reply

@#90 ... don't "have to" anything. ...

So, ya got nuthin' to substantiate the garbage that you post here.

Good to know.

thx for your reply.

But, I gotta say, it is not a surprise. A disappointment, yes.

But not a surprise.

#91 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-10-01 08:13 PM | Reply

@#88 ... People are getting stupider and more opinionated ...

Politics does that to people.

It eliminates the need to think because all they have to do is regurgitate pre-disgested morsels of beliefs.

Politics is similar to religion in that regard.

#92 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-10-01 08:16 PM | Reply

@#67 ... there was Voter Fraud but the Left Wing has suppressed the news covering it, and the arrests ...

Every story I read about someone convicted of it was a Republican.

#93 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2022-10-01 08:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Most recently a Trumper in GA (?) who voted with his dead mother's ballot

#94 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2022-10-01 08:54 PM | Reply

Lamp,

What I've observed is the internet levels the playing field.

Everyone has a voice for better or for worse.

#95 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-10-01 09:44 PM | Reply

#95 - by "everyone" you mean idiots and morons that think posting -------- is just as valid as objective truth? Is taht "leveling" the playing field? Lying, distorting, never backing anything up, spewing your fantasies as "fact" when all the evidence and facts contradict it?

It's not "leveling" that's going on.

#96 | Posted by YAV at 2022-10-01 10:13 PM | Reply

Most Republicans Still Believe The Big Lie.

The Rest Just Ignore It Like The "Good Cops" Who Did Nothing (Except Threaten Horrified Onlookers) While George Floyd Was Murdered.

And Now You Know
The Rest Of The Story.

#97 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-10-01 11:54 PM | Reply

there was Voter Fraud but the Left Wing has suppressed the news covering it, and the arrests

Dotard's lawyers got laughed out of court 60 times pushing this nonsense.

#98 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2022-10-01 11:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"there was Voter Fraud but the Left Wing has suppressed the news covering it, and the arrests"

Is this where I ask what news, what arrests, and the fact that you don't have any PROOVES it's being suppressed?

#99 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-10-02 12:01 AM | Reply

@#95 ... What I've observed is the internet levels the playing field.

Everyone has a voice for better or for worse. ...

I do not disagree. Indeed, I am all in agreement with leveling the playing field.

One person, one vote.

So,maybe you can explain why the Republican Party seems to be so afraid of the ~one person one vote~ aspect of elections.

#100 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-10-02 12:04 AM | Reply

"I am all in agreement with leveling the playing field."

I'm only on board if there are rules and enforcement too.
One of the rules being no Nazis on the playing field.

#101 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-10-02 12:12 AM | Reply

Lamp,

"So,maybe you can explain why the Republican Party seems to be so afraid of the ~one person one vote~ aspect of elections."

No...your question can't be answered because it isn't true.

Elections should be fair though.

I think people disagree on what constitutes a fair election from what I see.

#102 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-10-02 12:19 AM | Reply

@#102 ... ~one person one vote~ ... No...your question can't be answered because it isn't true. ...

U.S. Appeals Court Strikes Down North Carolina's Voter ID Law (2016)
www.npr.org

...The appeals court noted that the North Carolina Legislature "requested data on the use, by race, of a number of voting practices" -- then, data in hand, "enacted legislation that restricted voting and registration in five different ways, all of which disproportionately affected African Americans."

The changes to the voting process "target African Americans with almost surgical precision," the circuit court wrote, and "impose cures for problems that did not exist."

The appeals court suggested that the motivation was fundamentally political -- a Republican legislature attempting to secure its power by blocking votes from a population likely to vote for Democrats....

[emphasis mine]

Methinks you have a high hill to climb to substantiate your assertion.


Yer up...


#103 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-10-02 12:28 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

---- off, Bill. You're a g-d idiot.

#104 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-10-02 12:59 AM | Reply

Tell me...what qualifies you to determine who is unhinged?

#89 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

You are no more interested in my qualifications than you are the real world.

No reference to facts when interpreting everyday reality means you're unhinged.

This is you, BILL. You don't even bother to argue otherwise.

#105 | Posted by Zed at 2022-10-02 08:51 AM | Reply

I think people disagree on what constitutes a fair election from what I see.

#102 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Of course they do when half of them believe in a fantasy world where the election is rigged and filled with fraud.

Why the hell should we make it harder to vote in order to solve for their delusions?

#106 | Posted by Sycophant at 2022-10-02 09:13 AM | Reply

"Mail-in ballots distorted the results."

And there it is. Still buying the Big Lie. By distortion you mean it didn't turn out the way YOU wanted.

A free and fair election turned Trumpy into a loser. And 2 years later you deplorables are still whining and lying about it.

Deplorables are the sorest losers in history of losers next to the confederacy. No wonder deplorables carried confederate flags into the US Capital when they defiled it.

Turds of a feather crap together.

#107 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-10-02 10:24 AM | Reply

Donner,

"Still buying the Big Lie"

I was seeing potential problems with mail-in ballots as they were used a month before the election.

The big lie I see is that mail-in ballots do not have a higher margin of error than in-person voting.

What margin of error are you willing to accept when making bank deposits?

I see ballots as just as valuable as cash and should be treated with utmost care.

#108 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-10-02 02:33 PM | Reply

Zed,

"You don't even bother to argue otherwise."

I guess I'm not looking for affirmation.

#109 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-10-02 02:41 PM | Reply

there was Voter Fraud but the Left Wing has suppressed the news covering it, and the arrests

however, you Dems do still believe there was Russia Collusion in 2016. and, you still believe Hunter's Laptop is Russian Disinformation

#67 | Posted by Maverick

There's voter fraud in every election. There's not enough to change the outcome by a long shot. Trump's own cronies couldn't even find enough to make his case. You think they didn't try hard enough?

Why did trump rewrite the GOP platform to allow putin to keep crimea? How come that was the ONLY part of the platform he even touched?

#110 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-10-02 03:02 PM | Reply

Tell me...what qualifies you to determine who is unhinged?

#89 | Posted by BillJohnson

People who keep on insisting on the existence of something without any evidence are unhinged - like widespread voter fraud.

#111 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-10-02 03:05 PM | Reply

I think people disagree on what constitutes a fair election from what I see.

#102 | Posted by BillJohnson

Yeah your party doesnt think it's fair when its easy for everyone to vote.

#112 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-10-02 03:05 PM | Reply

Or the porn star he didn't raw dog.

#53 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2022-10-01 12:26 AM | REPLY

It's the important things that really matter.

#57 | Posted by lfthndthrds

It's the little things that reveal someone's intelligence. Like staring into solar eclipses or boning porn stars without a condom. But your cult admires stupidity.

#113 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-10-02 03:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" Mail-in ballots distorted the results."

How?

Because too many illegal votes were cast, or (the actual reason) because too many LEGAL votes were cast?

That's what it's really all about, isn't it? You can't point to any illegal votes being cast, which only leaves the legal votes cast which upset you.

#114 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-10-02 03:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Dan,

Another data set provided by the 2024 election, especially if mail-in ballots are used to the extent they were in 2020, will provide more insight in the 2020 election results.

Emphasis needs to be on local election results looking for irregularities from previous past elections.

Looking closer at certain precincts may provide more insight into the question "how" after we know "where" to focus more time and effort.

Personally, I have my doubts mail-in ballots will be utilized on the same scale in 2024 because human contact isn't the issue it was in 2020.

Early voting will be a game changer.

#115 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-10-02 08:09 PM | Reply

Speak,

"Yeah your party doesnt think it's fair when its easy for everyone to vote."

There is the risk of coercion when people get overly involved in "helping" other people vote.

There is a line that should not be stepped over when assisting others with their constitutional right to vote.

Voting should be private and anonymous.

No system is perfect but lowering the bar for the benefit of some who are just too lazy to go vote is a mistake.

Early voting in person checks all the boxes for fairness, easy access and the most accurate results.

#116 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-10-02 08:25 PM | Reply

No it doesn't. Bill. What an insular and privileged thing to say.

#117 | Posted by YAV at 2022-10-02 10:19 PM | Reply

" Emphasis needs to be on local election results looking for irregularities from previous past elections."

To you, the irregularity was too many legal voters voted.

You wouldn't be making a peep if your chosen candidate had won.

#118 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-10-02 10:38 PM | Reply

" Looking closer at certain precincts may provide more insight into the question "how" after we know "where" to focus more time and effort."

To make it harder for "certain" legal voters to vote. That's the whole point, right?

I mean, you have no interest in making it easier for legal voters to vote, do you?

#119 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-10-02 10:41 PM | Reply

There is the risk of coercion when people get overly involved in "helping" other people vote.

There is a line that should not be stepped over when assisting others with their constitutional right to vote.

Voting should be private and anonymous.

No system is perfect but lowering the bar for the benefit of some who are just too lazy to go vote is a mistake.

Early voting in person checks all the boxes for fairness, easy access and the most accurate results.

#116 | Posted by BillJohnson

Oh so you can draw a bar for too lazy but not a bar for too stupid? Should someone who beleives in Qanon be able to vote, while someone who's too poor to easily get to the polls shouldn't be?

Helping people vote is not coercion idiot. Making it harder for them to vote sure is a way to cheat democracy though.

Nice of a republican to openly admit you dont want people to be able to easily vote. Most of you are smart enough not to say that out loud.

#120 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-10-02 11:23 PM | Reply

Another data set provided by the 2024 election, especially if mail-in ballots are used to the extent they were in 2020, will provide more insight in the 2020 election results.

#115 | Posted by BillJohnson

So an unseen data set from the future will reveal whether or not your conclusion that the election was rigged is true? Why didn't you wait for that data set before reaching your conclusion?

#121 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-10-02 11:24 PM | Reply

Speak,

"So an unseen data set from the future will reveal whether or not your conclusion that the election was rigged is true?".

Well..not exactly.

Instead of the word "rigged", I would say "skewed".

But yes..I am saying because this past election was so unique in voting processes and unusual voting results, another data set will provide more insight and either support the 2020 election results or reveal irregularities.

#122 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-10-03 10:49 AM | Reply

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