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Thursday, September 29, 2022

A public interest lawyer sued the Biden administration this Tuesday arguing that the plan represents an abuse of executive power.

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Jesus wept.

#1 | Posted by Angrydad at 2022-09-29 08:12 PM | Reply

Billionaires can't have uppity young graduates figuring out they are being screwed by Neoliberalism, and werking against the Powers That Be.

Fortunately for billionaires, Trumpers will likely never figure out that Trump F'ed their socks off for himself and his friends in bidness.

#2 | Posted by Corky at 2022-09-29 08:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

motivatiomn? Honestly, what motivates a billionaire to oppose student loan forgiveness?

#3 | Posted by danni at 2022-09-29 08:30 PM | Reply

Just executive order the damned "money" from being taxed. Sideshow over.

#4 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2022-09-30 01:13 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The debt dismissal is probably Not going to happen.
They will tell you after the election.
No Refunds!

#5 | Posted by facthunt at 2022-09-30 07:03 AM | Reply

Good. Not only is this unconstitutional it's grossly unjust.

#6 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-09-30 10:11 AM | Reply | Funny: 3

"The debt dismissal is probably Not going to happen. "

Another maroon who obviously can't read.

The program hasn't even been designed yet. How can this person have any standing if he is not even being forced to participate? It's just sour grapes.

This lawsuit will be dismissed like the one in Texas and the loan forgiveness program will proceed in spite of you magamorons.

Why? Because it's for the good of the country. The greatest good for the greatest number of people. I realize that idea seems foreign to magats who live off of the dark energy of hate but that is what this country is founded upon.

#7 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-09-30 10:12 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

It's all about control. People without debt have more freedom to chose their life path. Billionaires want the wage slaves staying at their jobs. Military recruiters want you desperate so you'll enlist.

Funny that they tell everyone to reach for the American dream. At the same time, they don't tell you that for many people the American dream is a myth.

They lock you into place with healthcare. They lock you into place with debt. They lock you in with ever declining buying power. Make no mistake, they will lock you in.

#8 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2022-09-30 10:20 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 3

"tEh cRuElTy Is tHe PoInT" (TM)

#9 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2022-09-30 10:27 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Not only is this unconstitutional it's grossly unjust.
#6 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

What argument do you have as to the Constitutionality of this? Congress has duly passed a law, signed by the President, and on the books for decades, granting the education secretary broad authority to "waive or release any claim or demand, however acquired" in 20 USC 1082(a)(6).

As to it being "grossly unjust," how is it any less just than any other government program with eligibility thresholds?

#10 | Posted by JOE at 2022-09-30 10:27 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#6. Congressional ppp forgiveness was ok. If your name made the list, straight theft!

#11 | Posted by fresno500 at 2022-09-30 11:26 AM | Reply

Good. Not only is this unconstitutional it's grossly unjust.

#6 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

You know how you can tell Repubs hate something because it dares to help people?

They cry about it being "unconstitutional."

It's a word that's losing all meaning after the abuse it's taking from idiot Repubs.

#12 | Posted by jpw at 2022-09-30 01:36 PM | Reply

#12 So, are you going to make the case that the HEROES Act gives POTUS the authority to wipe away as much as $1.7 trillion in student loan debt without any congressional appropriation?

You are long on insults and, as always, very short on anything substantive.

#13 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-09-30 01:39 PM | Reply

to wipe away as much as $1.7 trillion in student loan debt

They're not doing that, are they?

Try framing questions within the actual reality they exist in, not the hyperbolic, -------- ridden fantasy you exist in.

I note you completely ignore Joe's post. Again.

The legal power exists. It doesn't have to be constitutional because not every one of our laws directly ties to the Constitution.

#14 | Posted by jpw at 2022-09-30 02:29 PM | Reply

Also, apparently, you're not as informed as you think.

It isn't POTUS doing anything. It's the Secretary of Education.

#15 | Posted by jpw at 2022-09-30 02:31 PM | Reply

The problem for this loan forgiveness program is that it cuts off if you are too rich. They should have designed it like most government programs which is to make it much much much more lucrative for the rich and barely help common people. Then the Republicans would be raving over how wonderful a program it is.

But the only hope for such a design is for it to come from a more Republican congress. And while this Senate does have 52 Republicans when you count Senema and Manchin, that just isn't enough to get that kind of bill passed.

#16 | Posted by prius04 at 2022-09-30 04:40 PM | Reply

#14 I didn't ignore Joe's post. The best legal minds the Biden administration can find don't cite the statute Joe likes to keep bringing up for a reason. In part because the government was not in the student debt loan business at the time that law was passed in the '60's. The Biden administration is citing the HEROES Act which is patently absurd.

You've obviously failed Civics101. No amount of pedantics can get around that this is either a spending measure or a tax measure. That has to come from congress. Period. Full stop.

"They're not doing that, are they?"

Nope. Just in the neighborhood of $600+ Billion. The point is, if they are claiming authority to "forgive" some student loan debt on the terms they choose to set forth then they are claiming to be able to "forgive" ALL student loan debt. They didn't cite a statutory limit as to why they don't just forgive all student debt.

Heck, prior to making this decision no less than Nancy Pelosi said POTUS cannot forgive student debt without congress's approval.

"It isn't POTUS doing anything. It's the Secretary of Education.

#15 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2022-09-30 02:31 PM"

I cannot believe you actually typed that. The Department of Education is part of the Executive branch. The head of the Executive branch is POTUS.

Here, watch this and maybe learn something:

www.youtube.com

#17 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-09-30 04:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Bellringer: "It's Unconstitutional! Waaah!"
Joe: "Here is the statute allowing this."
Bellringer: "I'm going to ignore that. Waaah!"

Unfortunately for Frank, his case is about to be tossed because he doesn't have standing. Since the Dept of Ed gives him the option to opt out of getting the loan forgiveness, he loses standing and can't win. Sorry, dude.

#18 | Posted by Sycophant at 2022-09-30 04:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

No loans should be forgiven.

It's funny liberals with basket weaving degrees are finding out you cant make a living on them, went to Ivy League schools where they sat in a liberal echo chamber Learning how to be a socialist/progressive. They then get out and learn being a liberal is useless to society and now they want their debt wiped away.

I say no. Make em pay for their stupid decisions.

#19 | Posted by boaz at 2022-09-30 09:11 PM | Reply

BOAZO and DUMDINGER sitting in a tree...

DUMBDINGER gives BOAZO a reach around,'cause QTARD @$$ aint free.

I'd give some kind of fact based argument, but you clowns don't deserve it.

You live in a universe of "alternate" aka "conservative" facts.

#20 | Posted by billy_boy at 2022-09-30 09:21 PM | Reply

#19 | Posted by boaz

God dang.

The irony is strong from Mr. "I signed up for the military when other options weren't working out a couple years out of high school, got the government to pay for my college education while I was an enlisted man. Now I pretend I pulled myself up by my own bootstraps with no help from anyone, don't think anyone else should get a hand up." And spout anti-democratic BS, parroting "we're a republic, not a democracy" crap he found on right wing websites, where it started.

#21 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2022-09-30 09:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

^^^THIS!

#22 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2022-09-30 09:44 PM | Reply

The best legal minds the Biden administration can find don't cite the statute Joe likes to keep bringing up for a reason.

The Biden administration is not required to provide an exhaustive list of authority for their position unless and until it is advantageous for them to do so in a litigation context. They've never said the HEROES Act is the exclusive legal vehicle for them to waive a portion of federally held student debt. Because it isn't.

20 USCA 1082 is unambiguous. You have no argument against the text of that statute giving the Ed Secretary broad authority to waive student debt. So instead, you trot out tired, irrelevant arguments ("it's an old law!" "it was passed before the fed held this much debt!"), but laws don't have an expiration date, and Section 1082 does not say "oopsies, if the fed starts holding more student debt, this law stops existing."

When the fed's role in education lending changed, it was incumbent upon future Congresses and Presidents to modify Section 1082. They didn't. The law stands as written. Suck it up.

#23 | Posted by JOE at 2022-09-30 09:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Title should read "Billionaire-backed Legal Group Sues to Stop Vote Buying."

Because that's all this is.

#24 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-10-01 05:21 AM | Reply

"No loans should be forgiven."

I disagree.

SLFP forgives loans for people who are in public service and have made 120 qualifying payments.

I'm OK with that, as many people working in public service likely make less than they would in the public sector.

I'd also be a fan of providing scholarships for people going into fields that were undermanned relative to demand, like STEM or medicine, in return for a few years of public service. Think ROTC, but without having to join the military.

But there is no reason to foot the bill for students who pursue a major in something that most people would view as frivolous. And if progressives do believe that frivolous degrees should be free, they are free to pay for them.

#25 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-10-01 05:25 AM | Reply

there is no reason to foot the bill for students who pursue a major in something that most people would view as frivolous

Aside from the memes about "underwater basket weaving" and "lesbian studies," what college majors do you think most people would view as frivolous, and what percent of relief recipients in this program majored in those?

And is your argument truly that if Biden excised "frivolous" majors from the program that you'd support it? I have a hard time believing that.

#26 | Posted by JOE at 2022-10-01 09:12 AM | Reply

We went through this months ago when the program was first announced. There are 40 million people who never graduated with any degree that have student loan debt - some with more than $100K.

These people do not have the luxury of higher earnings yet still face life-crushing debt simply for having attempted to better themselves and their own lives through seeking higher education.

#27 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-10-01 09:20 AM | Reply

#27 I don't think you're going to get the "personal responsibility" crowd to care about people who didn't finish college.

#28 | Posted by JOE at 2022-10-01 09:22 AM | Reply

went to Ivy League schools
...
now they want their debt wiped away
#19 | POSTED BY BOAZ

^
How far out of touch with reality do you have to be to think an Ivy League education only costs $10,000?

Hey Rain Man, how much is a new car?

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-10-01 09:46 AM | Reply

I say no. Make em pay for their stupid decisions.
#19 | POSTED BY BOAZ

^
You must be a big hit at funerals for veterans.

#30 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-10-01 09:53 AM | Reply

I'm OK with that, as many people working in public service likely make less than they would in the public sector.

This is a myth, true a long time ago, but the Public sector pays as well as private for most positions.
www.averagesalarysurvey.com

And they have better benefits.

There are 40 million people who never graduated with any degree that have student loan debt - some with more than $100K.

So? Make the Universities back the loans.

what college majors do you think most people would view as frivolous, and what percent of relief recipients in this program majored in those?

www.dreamshala.com
www.universitymagazine.ca

IMO Any degree where the only jobs available are becoming professors to teach students earning the same degree.

40% of those that will benefit from the foregivness don't have a degree at all.

Top 5.
BA Nursing
BA Business Admin
AA Liberal arts
BA Psychology
Cert. Cosmetology
https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2022/09/15/fact-check-many-student-loan- borrowers-lack-four-year-college-degree/69493947007/

Again make the Universities back the loans.

#31 | Posted by oneironaut at 2022-10-01 10:20 AM | Reply

Fact is that these university students that had their debt cancelled up to 20,000, will be landing better jobs and paying more in taxes than they would have if they just accepted any old low paying gig. Most university graduates have to start paying back on their loans almost immediately so they can now start looking for jobs in their skill set careers. I know this critical thinking process is very hard on the likes of most right wingers but if you all ask for help smarter folks will help explain it for you like I just did and I have a couple liberal arts degrees that you all poo poo. You're welcome.

#32 | Posted by Wildman62 at 2022-10-01 11:22 AM | Reply

But of course they are...

#33 | Posted by earthmuse at 2022-10-01 11:41 AM | Reply

So is it a one off forgiveness of debt. So if someone is a junior in high school and will go to college in a few years, they won't have their debt forgiven. So they will end up with the same debt now as someone who gets forgiven but will need to pay more in taxes to cover the forgiveness of this other person. Never mind the person who never goes to school and they will have to help pay for in theory someone who will out earn them in the long run. Why stop there, forgive credit cards, then home mortgages, car loans, why is one debt forgivable and the other is not. This just smells like a political bribe to get young people to vote in mid-terms while knowing the courts will ultimately overturn it. I mean Nancy has already said in the past the authority to do it isn't there. That was before the votes are needed to save control of the house. Yes I agree, the Republicans have their own versions of this stuff.

#34 | Posted by laj at 2022-10-01 02:12 PM | Reply

So if someone is a junior in high school and will go to college in a few years, they won't have their debt forgiven.

So you want more debt forgiven? Sounds good to me. Glad to have you on board!

I mean Nancy has already said in the past the authority to do it isn't there.

Funny how people like Pelosi and Biden are geriatric mental patients when Republicans want them to be, but are also suddenly the ultimate expert authority on complex issues of administrative law when that's convenient. Which is it?

#35 | Posted by JOE at 2022-10-01 02:46 PM | Reply

"Funny how people like Pelosi and Biden are geriatric mental patients when Republicans want them to be, but are also suddenly the ultimate expert authority on complex issues of administrative law when that's convenient. Which is it?" Whatever lets them be a martyr.

#36 | Posted by Brennnn at 2022-10-01 03:56 PM | Reply

Why stop there, forgive credit cards, then home mortgages, car loans, why is one debt forgivable and the other is not.

#34 | POSTED BY LAJ

So you've never heard of bankruptcy? Interesting.

#37 | Posted by memyselfini at 2022-10-01 04:45 PM | Reply

why is one debt forgivable and the other is not.
#34 | POSTED BY LAJ

That's the exact issue that led to this circumstance: student loans cannot be affected by bankruptcy.

#38 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2022-10-01 04:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Rancor should not be directed against anyone opposing debt forgiveness but the debt based economy. If suppliers of any good or service can only sell at prices equal to the wealth available in the economy; prices would be far lower and affordable. Any actuary can accurately predict the percentage of debt default in credit cards, home mortgages, student loans and other vehicle. Actuaries do not calculate stress and divorces resulting from the requirement for most to borrow to enjoy the standard of living expected and perpetuated in the bank owned media. If you borrow money you should pay it back. The point is - you shouldn't have to borrow money to achieve the lifestyle the bank owned media perpetuates as normal. The central banks do not risk their own money, they merely increase the national debt. Central banksters are getting rich while the masses suffer in their gilded cages. Central Banks remain behind the curtain like the Wizard of Oz while creating infighting between foolish devotees to political parties created to incite the population and obfuscate who is actually running things.

#39 | Posted by Copernicus at 2022-10-01 05:22 PM | Reply

"will be landing better jobs and paying more in taxes than they would have if they just accepted any old low paying gig"

Republicans don't mind* paying extra to be mean to people.

ESPECIALLY their enemies, which college students obviously are, if you listen to their rhetoric on college students.

*Actually they'll happily pay extra to inflict cruelty. The Death Penalty is probably the most obvious example.

Economics has nothing to do with why they oppose student loan forgiveness. Nothing at all.

#40 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-10-01 05:55 PM | Reply

what Biden is trying to do is Illegal, he just can't forgive a Government Backed loan just cuz he wants to. But, it's not about that, it's about Biden and the Dems will be able to say "we tried, the evil Republicans wouldn't let us"

#41 | Posted by Maverick at 2022-10-01 06:36 PM | Reply

#41

ding! ding! ding!

Look Fat, just elect these two elections like I want, and the two thousand dollar checks will ship the next day, or you ain't black! Martha! Where's Martha? ooops poop m'pants...hurrr...pony face...uuh

#42 | Posted by facthunt at 2022-10-01 06:46 PM | Reply

"Look Fat, just elect these two elections like I want, and the two thousand dollar checks will ship the next day, or you ain't black!"

Why would such an effective lure be cast at such a narrow audience? Not to mention, an audience that's likely to vote for Biden regardless?

???

#43 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-10-01 06:48 PM | Reply

#42 | POSTED BY FACTHUNT

But Biden is the president. He can just think about debt forgiveness, and poof it's gone. Legally, no?

#44 | Posted by memyselfini at 2022-10-01 09:46 PM | Reply

"These people do not have the luxury of higher earnings yet still face life-crushing debt simply for having attempted to better themselves and their own lives through seeking higher education."

Better themselves?

Do you also maybe think we should forgive debt for those who tried to better themselves through plastic surgery or more material goods?

If not, why?

#45 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-10-02 09:41 AM | Reply

"This is a myth, true a long time ago, but the Public sector pays as well as private for most positions."

Most positions that require A college degree? Unlikely.

MIL doctors make a fraction of what their non-military counterparts make.

#46 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-10-02 09:58 AM | Reply

"But, it's not about that, it's about Biden and the Dems will be able to say "we tried, the evil Republicans wouldn't let us"

^^

This.

#47 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-10-02 09:59 AM | Reply

MIL doctors make a fraction of what their non-military counterparts make.

In my class those with military scholarships received, tuition, books, living stipend, plum rotations to military hospitals with travel paid. They had access to good internships and residencies in military hospitals. If they took a civilian internship or residency the support continued. In return they owed 6 years active duty and 2 years reserves.
Those of us without scholarships typically left school with 120 to 150K in debt. Paying that off took me 8 years, so my 'higher pay' than the military was 100% set aside for debt relief. I have classmates 35 years later still paying student debt.
Military doctors do not have to pay for malpractice or tail coverage.

Military pay now is fairly comparable to civilian expect for a few high end specialties. When I deployed as a Colonel my rank pay was about 60% of my civilian check. But throw in the specialty bonus, hazard duty, and some other benefits I made out like a bandit. (I joined the National Guard after school and training, so I didn't get any school or education benefits)

#48 | Posted by mattm at 2022-10-02 10:24 AM | Reply

o you also maybe think we should forgive debt for those who tried to better themselves through plastic surgery or more material goods?
If not, why?
#45 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Let's cut to the chase:
Do you think we should forgive debt incurred by corporations when corporations declare bankruptcy?
If not, why?

#49 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-10-02 12:02 PM | Reply

Here's an even easier one:

Do you think student loan debt should be able to be discharged in personal bankruptcy, like other types of personal debt?

#50 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-10-02 12:13 PM | Reply

Imagine being so intellectually compromised that you compare a college education to plastic surgery.

#51 | Posted by JOE at 2022-10-02 05:24 PM | Reply

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