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New data from NASA reveals how warm ocean waters in the Gulf of Mexico fueled Hurricane Ian to become one of the most powerful storms to strike the United States in the past decade. Waters off the coast were two to three degrees Fahrenheit warmer than usual for this time of year, according to preliminary data.

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Hurricane Ian was able to, over the course of its path, pull a lot of energy out of the ocean, which could have sustained it for longer than normal, said Christopher Slocum, a physical scientist at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

And a few degrees can make a huge difference, said Karthik Balaguru, a climate scientist at Pacific Northwest National Laboratory, because it provides extra energy for a storm.

Unlike with land or the atmosphere, "it's very difficult to warm the ocean," Dr. Balaguru said. A large amount of heat had to have been absorbed by the ocean just to raise temperatures by a small fraction of a degree, he said.

More than 90 percent of the excess heat from human-caused global warming over the past 50 years has been absorbed by the oceans, and a majority of it is stored in the top few hundred meters.

Scientists say that while climate change has not necessarily increased the number of hurricanes, it has made them more powerful, as warmer ocean waters strengthen and sustain those storms. The proportion of the most severe storms - Categories 4 and 5 - has increased since 1980, when satellite imagery began reliably tracking hurricanes.

A warmer climate also allows hurricanes to unleash more rain, a consequence of an atmosphere that, with each degree Celsius of warming, can hold about 7 percent more water vapor that then gets released as precipitation. In addition, storm surges are riding on top of elevated sea levels, which can worsen coastal flooding.

I don't know how it could possibly explained an simpler than the preceding sentences. It's not our imagination, hurricanes have been getting larger, more powerful, and more precipitant than before in past times. Warmer waters are the key to this evolution, and the warming of the seas is not something that happens very easily. 2 to 3 degrees Fahrenheit is an extremely significant jump in water temperature and we're seeing the results: bigger storms, more powerful winds, and much more rain falling in greater volume and concentration - for hurricanes - over a longer period of time.

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-09-29 09:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

It's not our imagination, hurricanes have been getting larger, more powerful, and more precipitant than before in past times

Since you are so knowledgeable what does the science say the increase will be in 100 years?

The next question is could you tell the difference?

#2 | Posted by oneironaut at 2022-09-29 11:13 PM | Reply

The predicted "above normal" hurricane season didn't materialize, so they're working overtime to hyper-politicize the one morsel they were given to work with.

It's almost embarrassing to watch---and most normal people (voters) are watching the Corporate/Twitter/Media Left make asses of themselves immediately before the midterms.

Make no mistake, there are a significant percentage of folks who are profoundly disappointed this thing didn't make a direct hit on Tampa---because that would have been pay dirt.

I ------- despise what the Left has become.

#3 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2022-09-30 12:25 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

The predicted "above normal" hurricane season didn't materialize

I find that in itself rather interesting. Ian buzzed Venezuela and the ABC islands on the way... that is rather unusually far south.

#4 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-09-30 12:38 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

The ABC islands look like the place I grew up in west Texas. They're dry, karstic ------------- but they're still within the south side of the hurricane belt.

They get licked a little, every now and then.

It's not because we're not paying enough tax tho ...

#5 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2022-09-30 01:20 AM | Reply

They get licked a little, every now and then.

Very seldom. I go to Aruba because it has the most consistent climate on the planet. Tropical storms are extremely rare.

#6 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-09-30 03:41 AM | Reply

The predicted "above normal" hurricane season didn't materialize so they're working overtime to hyper-politicize the one morsel they were given to work with.

How does one say "I'm an ignoramus trying to sound like I know what I'm talking about but I'm actually fecking clueless" without saying those words?

Wind speeds at different heights are another environmental factor that influences tropical storm development. While ocean temperatures vary slowly and are generally easier to predict, wind patterns change frequently and are harder to predict at long-lead times.

When persistent high pressure is in place to the north and northwest of the Sahara - which has been the case this summer - dry air is funneled from the Sahara to the west over the tropical Atlantic. The warm, moist plumes of air rising from the Atlantic that would typically generate towering thunderstorms are instead robbed of their ability to do so because of the Saharan dry air.

This summer's hurricane activity was strongly influenced by that dry air, and to a lesser extent wind shear, resulting in limited storm development.

However, since the first day of September, the flow of dry air and the wind shear have lessened significantly, allowing for Atlantic storms to begin developing. All indicators suggest that environmental conditions will continue to be more favorable during September and likely into October, so an active second half of the hurricane season still looks likely. Still, the slow start to the season means that most of the forecasts from before the start of the season will end up being too high, even if the season ends up with more than the average of 14 named storms and seven hurricanes.

www.forbes.com

It's literally like the information presented simply was ignored because it didn't fit Mao's desired narrative. Reality often doesn't fit Mao's ideology - though no one can ever convince him of that fact.

#7 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-09-30 08:01 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 3

I ------- despise what the Left has become.

#3 | POSTED BY MAO_CONTENT

Only a fool would buy land or build a house in Florida.

Sooner or later it will register that the place is slowly being doomed.

For that matter, only a fool would settle in Galveston, Texas.

Eventually you strange, ignorant people will blame the "Left" for the global warming you don't believe in.

Maybe after the Atlantic Ocean washes over the Trump Memorial you build in Mara-a-Lago with the pennies you've stolen from schoolchildren.

#8 | Posted by Zed at 2022-09-30 08:12 AM | Reply

Make no mistake, there are a significant percentage of folks who are profoundly disappointed this thing didn't make a direct hit on Tampa---because that would have been pay dirt.

I ------- despise what the Left has become.

#3 | POSTED BY MAO_CONTENT

Make no mistake, you are projecting your own hate. No one else's.

So you only despise what YOU have become.

Florida took a huge hit. And a "significant percentage of folks" are just happy DeSatan won't be human trafficking for at least a few days.

#9 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-09-30 01:40 PM | Reply

Florida took a huge hit

Sure it did. But it would have been better had it hit the Tampa Metro area.

You couldn't ask for better optics to overlay your banal -------- about "climate change" and "FEMA Aid" and "Disproportionate Impacts to Marginalized Communities" for at least a couple more weeks.

Ah, what could have been. :(

#10 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2022-09-30 01:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"But it would have been better had it hit the Tampa Metro area."

Still letting the hate consume you I see.

Wishful thinking and speaking for yourself, of course.

Like my daddy always said. "Wish in one hand take a crap in the other and see which one gets filled up first."

#11 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-09-30 02:16 PM | Reply

You know it's true tho.....

#12 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2022-09-30 02:17 PM | Reply

How Hurricane Ian Became So Powerful

Jewish Space Lasers.
You know it's true!

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-09-30 02:20 PM | Reply

I could have called that this type article would have come out. Again, gotta squeeze every morsel out of this one hurricane.

#14 | Posted by boaz at 2022-09-30 03:47 PM | Reply

I could have called that this type article would have come out.

How dare people be interested in actual scientific facts and data! Why is the truth so toxic in your worldview?

Basically, all the article is saying is that warmer waters and lessening pull from the polar jetstreams are allowing tropical storms to develop more quickly and with greater size and intensity when they reach the waters around our southern shores. And since these storms contain more precipitation and are moving slower due to the lack of guiding wind forces, their effects - in both wind and rain - will be greater than storms which did not have these specific meteorological conditions in the past.

If someone thinks the above is hyperbolic, stop reading informative articles buried within news sources. This was not a headline article, it's for those of us who seek to understand what we're living through.

#15 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-09-30 04:08 PM | Reply

You know it's true tho.....

#12 | POSTED BY MAO_CONTENT

What I know is that Truth and you are strangers.

#16 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-09-30 05:03 PM | Reply

I randomly turned on fox news as the hurricane hit just to see how they were covering. It was 2 minutes of storm coverage then, "Coming up, how the LIBERALS are going to tell you that this storm is due to climate change and why you shouldnt listen to them."

Because in fox news land, hurricanes aren't actually made worse by warmer water. They're made worse by trans people playing sports.

#17 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-09-30 05:56 PM | Reply

#17

Herein lies the difference between news reporting and Faux Gnus propaganda. Bill Nye just finished doing a segment on how hurricane Ian compared to both hurricanes Charly and Andrew which also impacted southern Florida in the past.

He held up a 10 3/8 inch diameter Chinet dinner plate and said that it represented the size of Ian. He then had a 2.25 inch diameter cupcake paper and stated that it in comparison it represented the size of Charly back in 2004. Lastly, he had a 2.88 inch diameter muffin paper and stated that it represented the size of Andrew. Both Charly and Andrew fit comfortably within the diameter of Ian and at least another 1 or possibly 2 more similar sized papers (storms) could have fit within the immenseness of Ian.

As a matter of fact, the entirety of Charly - also a Cat 4 hurricane when it reached landfall - would have fit within the eye of Ian. There was no preaching, just a thorough explanation of why and how storms like Ian evolve today due to the warmer waters and lessened wind flows which allow rapid intensification and longer and more voluminous amounts of rain to fall over the areas of the hurricane's travels.

These are simply facts, not points of debate where there are different sides. As Nye correctly noted, we will all - meaning every American taxpayer - foot the cost of these storms and the damage that they'll do when they hit. It's foolish not to seek solutions for this obvious problem that shows no signs of abating without a change in the known factors driving what we see increasingly happening right before our very eyes.

#18 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-09-30 07:24 PM | Reply

The predicted "above normal" hurricane season didn't materialize, so they're working overtime to hyper-politicize the one morsel they were given to work with.

Yes, it's a vast, sophisticated global conspiracy just to make ReighWingers look bad.

None of these morons can actually rebut the science instead of endless science-illiterate ConservaDunce blather. Their only defense.

Try rebutting Arrhenius, Tyndale or Fourier. Which of these three (or all of them?) were so wrong.

Evidence and data only. Go.

#19 | Posted by zarnon at 2022-09-30 08:06 PM | Reply

ZARNON

"Yes, it's a vast, sophisticated global conspiracy just to make ReighWingers look bad."

No, no, no! The Out-Of-Touch-With-Reality conspiracy group are claiming that Hurricane Ian was created by the government (Biden) to punish Governor DeSantis.

Actually, at their last meeting, this fringe group floated a second wacko conspiracy that you don't want to miss.

They also claimed that Biden was building a transhuman cyborg army using immigrants.

Somebody should call Ripley.

#20 | Posted by Twinpac at 2022-09-30 08:43 PM | Reply

"He (Bill Nye, the Science Guy) held up a 10 3/8 inch diameter Chinet dinner plate and said that it represented the size of Ian. He then had a 2.25 inch diameter cupcake paper and stated that it in comparison it represented the size of Charly back in 2004. Lastly, he had a 2.88 inch diameter muffin paper and stated that it represented the size of Andrew. Both Charly and Andrew fit comfortably within the diameter of Ian and at least another 1 or possibly 2 more similar sized papers (storms) could have fit within the immenseness of Ian."

#18 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

Maybe we should hold up paper plates and cupcake paper to explain Biden's economic decisions.

#21 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2022-09-30 09:02 PM | Reply

Dont talk to me about "science" until you can admit a trans "woman" is nothing more than a man in a dress, playing woman. Until you admit that, your argument is moot.

#22 | Posted by boaz at 2022-09-30 09:04 PM | Reply

Hmmm...BOAZO tries the old use your own argument against you.

Without having ANY understanding of "science", and apparently believing in the "imaginary sky daddy".

BOAZO, your kind will disappear. Just keep doing what you're doing :)

It'll be grand :)

#23 | Posted by billy_boy at 2022-09-30 09:17 PM | Reply

Just basic science - Time over warm water is how:

"The July and August Category 5 hurricanes reached their high intensities in both the Gulf of Mexico and the Caribbean. These are the areas most favorable for tropical cyclone development in those months.[6][9]

September sees the most Category 5 hurricanes, with over half of the total. This coincides with the climatological peak of the Atlantic hurricane season, which occurs in early September.[10] September Category 5s reached their strengths in any of the Gulf of Mexico, Caribbean, and open Atlantic. These places are where September tropical cyclones are likely to form.[9] Many of these hurricanes are either Cape Verde hurricanes, which develop their strength by having a great deal of open water; or so-called Bahama busters, which intensify over the warm Loop Current in the Gulf of Mexico.[11]"

en.wikipedia.org

#24 | Posted by MSgt at 2022-10-01 12:03 PM | Reply

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