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Monday, October 03, 2022

Speaking to ABC News on Sunday, Petraeus, who served as CIA director and commander of coalition forces in Iraq, spelt out how he believed the US would respond in the event of the nuclear attack by Russia, though said he had not spoken to US National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan about the issue.

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Boom. Nuclear war. Dumbest answer ever. The right answer is prevent the Russians from ever using a nuke.

Negotiations,Diplomacy,you know,actual adults trying to stop a stupid war before it gets out of control.

I know,it's so shocking to think maybe talking is better than bombs.

Cooler heads must prevail or it is going to get really ugly.

I hold little hope for a cease fire.

#1 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-10-03 02:27 PM | Reply

Boom. Nuclear war. Dumbest answer ever. The right answer is prevent the Russians from ever using a nuke.

Negotiations,Diplomacy,you know,actual adults trying to stop a stupid war before it gets out of control.

I know,it's so shocking to think maybe talking is better than bombs.

Cooler heads must prevail or it is going to get really ugly.

I hold little hope for a cease fire.

#2 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-10-03 02:27 PM | Reply

@#2 ... Negotiations,Diplomacy,you know,actual adults trying to stop a stupid war before it gets out of control. ...

There is one adult who should have stopped the war before it even started. The one who started it.

It was Pres Putin's unprovoked invasion of a sovereign for the purpose of annexing and elimination Ukraine that started this war.

Now that things seem to be going badly for him, your alias is all about negotiations, diplomacy and compromise....


#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-10-03 03:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

Putin should be afraid.

Petraeus has a track record of being able to win wars like the one in Ukraine without shelling entire cities.

#4 | Posted by Tor at 2022-10-03 03:48 PM | Reply

In other words "Ukraine is beating your ass. Think what NATO will do to you."

#5 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-10-03 05:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 7

Looking forward to NATO wiping Ukraine's floor with Russian faces. We can finish by buffing to a lustrous shine with Shakey-Pootey.

#6 | Posted by censored at 2022-10-03 09:17 PM | Reply

Now that Putin has claimed Ukraine lands, his war is going badly, he wants to negotiate to keep some of what he captured. Somehow I doubt the Ukraine is going to go to the tables to talk peace while he holds these lands.

Putin didn't have to go to war, he started it, plain and simple, open and closed book on the subject. Simply, he invaded. Now won't be the time that Ukraine says ok, we'll negotiate a peace. They'll be willing to do that when those lands are back in their hands. They won't want to reward Putin's invasion by giving him land once theirs and they consider still theirs.

No one wants a nuke war but the only one threatening to use nukes is again Putin. He's hoping no one will call his bluff and everyone will back down. If he makes the mistake of launching one, near no one will survive. I don't have the inside knowledge of intelligence for the military nor their plan book. But you can be pretty sure that not only Russia is targeted and once those missiles fly, every nuclear power will be involved. It's not a pleasant thought but it's reality.

#7 | Posted by BBQ at 2022-10-04 12:13 AM | Reply

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#2 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-10-03

I hold little hope for a cease fire.

You are right, there is not going to be a cease-fire - that would only encourage Putin to throw more Russian bodies into the meatgrinder to be killed or captured for exchange after Russian Orcs invaders and "separatists" are removed from Ukrainian lands as per 1994 agreements. You don't want more Russian Slavs to be killed, do you?

Boom. Nuclear war.

As has been already explained to you, there is not going to be a nuclear war - don't panic, and don't try to create panic, it's not working any better than the "Ukie Nazis" and "Zio-Nazis." The more Putinistas scream "nuclear war" the more people understand how bad is whatever's left of Russian Wehrmacht and just cheer to finish it off.

Negotiations,Diplomacy,you know,actual adults trying to stop a stupid war before it gets out of control.

You are right again, twice in one day and in one post!

Let me assure you and you can pass it on to your bosses, the quiet diplomacy has been going for a while now, with people in Russia who actually count, not propaganda media jockeys.

The more successful Ukies are in liberating Donbass and Crimea, the faster they get back to 1994 borders, the faster this stupid Putin's war will be over and negotiations on non-aggression and non-involvement pact and reparations (think of it as a "Stupid Putin's War Tax") will enter more productive phase.

The faster full liberation of Ukraine (and Russia) from Putin takes place, the fewer people (and Russians) will be killed - that's what the diplomats on both sides now understand. It's above your pay grade, but you and your bosses should understand that, too, and start rooting for Ukies to succeed in finishing off this invasion and war as soon as possible.
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#8 | Posted by CutiePie at 2022-10-04 12:40 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Dumbest reply ever. I am an American. I don't post for Russia. My posts are my own personal convictions. Some trolling involved to be sure but the opinions expressed are my own.

I know it's probably incomprehensible to you, but not all Americans are in lockstep with the Ukraine.

Not all people who are against arming and facilitating the Ukrainian war effort are Repukes either.

I know,it's just so unbelievable!

Tell me it's not so!

#9 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-10-04 01:52 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

I know it's probably incomprehensible to you, but not all Americans are in lockstep with the Ukraine.

That's fine. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

They are not entitled to their own facts. Therein lies your problem.

Russia committed armed aggression in violation of every international treaty they ever signed.

That is truly incomprehensible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuuhsqA95iA

#10 | Posted by et_al at 2022-10-04 03:30 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

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#9 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-10-04 01:52 AM

... not all Americans are in lockstep with the Ukraine.
Not all people who are against arming and facilitating the Ukrainian war effort are Repukes either.

Everybody knows that.

Some trolling involved to be sure...

Everybody knows that, also.

I am an American. I don't post for Russia. Tell me it's not so!

It's not so! Everybody knows that, as well. You and your script have "tells" and have slipped enough times to see clearly that it's not so. And of course, you wouldn't tell us different.

But I, for one, don't want you to be reassigned. You are funny and your pivots and tests ("probing") tell us where Putin's propaganda machine wants to go next, what works, what doesn't - so while you think you're probing us, we are actually probing you - it's all good, we are grateful.

I know it's probably incomprehensible.
I know,it's just so unbelievable!

It is, isn't it?
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#11 | Posted by CutiePie at 2022-10-04 04:03 AM | Reply

Dude, you're making pictures. Seeing things that aren't there.

It's destroying any credibility you might have about, well just about anything.

I'm just a doof trolling for Putin. No more or less.

You see International involvement. Dumb. And a Tell that you're all mouth and no intellect.

Long winded posts that explain nothing and showcase talking points without any self reflection, reveal a lightweight pretending to be above his weight class.

#12 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-10-04 04:39 AM | Reply

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I'm just a doof trolling for Putin.

QED

Long winded posts that explain nothing and showcase talking points without any self reflection, reveal a lightweight pretending to be above his weight class.

Exactly. QED
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#13 | Posted by CutiePie at 2022-10-04 06:03 AM | Reply

In other words "Ukraine is beating your ass. Think what NATO will do to you."

#5 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-10-03 05:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

Shakes will win the eff around and find out award of the century if he attempts to use a nuclear weapon.

#14 | Posted by Nixon at 2022-10-04 07:29 AM | Reply

Nixon wins rhis thread!

#15 | Posted by danni at 2022-10-04 08:22 AM | Reply

Betray us Petraeus? lol

#16 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2022-10-04 09:01 AM | Reply

#14 | Posted by Nixon

I would agree with you but the thing is the Russian sub fleet is truly the best in the world in many respects. At least detection wise they are truly difficult to find but safety wise not so much... Russian subs have spent extended periods of time in our coastal waters undetected in recent years. So Nukes off New York, LA and Houston without detection are a strong possibility. That is were this gets complicated and scary - is the crew of any of these subs willing to let a nuclear war start? Remember they are and have been fed alternative facts forever. In effect they are brainwashed.

#17 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2022-10-04 09:49 AM | Reply

@#11 ... You and your script have "tells" and have slipped enough times to see clearly that it's not so. ...

                      ^^^^ this ^^^^

#18 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-10-04 10:56 AM | Reply

"I'm just a doof trolling for Putin. No more or less." - Effeteposer.

Finally some truth from this moron.

#19 | Posted by Wildman62 at 2022-10-04 12:06 PM | Reply

#5 NATO is already involved. Logistics, arms, intell. The actual soldiers and air support are all that's missing now.

NATO Is already showing it's hand.

#20 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-10-04 12:59 PM | Reply

#17

There are no indications that Putin intends to conduct strategic nuclear strikes against any country. Even Ukraine.

I don't know if it is common knowledge or not, but there are two basic types of nuclear weapons. Strategic weapons are long-range, high yield weapons intended to destroy strategic targets and affect an adversary's ability to conduct warfare at the operational or strategic level. Targets like the US Capitol, the Pentagon, HQ USSTRATCOM, Cheyanne Mountain. Those sorts of things. But they are not used against fielded forces because they generally require a lot of lead time for deliberate planning. You're not going to use an ICBM against a fielded Infantry regiment, because by the time the planning was complete, the regiment was likely already somewhere else. That's where tactical, or non-strategic nuclear weapons (NSNW) come into play. They are designed to be employed dynamically against fielded forces. They are much smaller, much lower yield, and employed by tactical forces.

Putin sounds like he is threatening the use of NSNW. Which means that, even if he did, the effects would be relatively localized. And given that winds in the western hemisphere blow from west to east, an attack would almost certainly result in radioactive fallout coming down on occupied territory, if not Russia proper.

But probably most importantly, I think it would be an end to the fence-sitting you see from many countries who have so far been impartial to the Russian invasion. And it would be an end to Russia's allies providing any measure of support. Maybe North Korea. Possibly Iran. But I think China would abandon them outright.

#21 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-10-04 03:03 PM | Reply

"NATO Is already showing it's hand."

Is it?

Did NATO declare article 5 and I somehow missed it?

What exactly do you think NATO is doing?

#22 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-10-04 03:04 PM | Reply

"Putin sounds like he is threatening the use of NSNW."

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My understanding is that:
Every time we've wargamed that, it escalates to ICBMs

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-10-04 03:10 PM | Reply

#23

I'm curious as to where you got that understanding, as if that were the case the results would be classified.

And was the wargaming you're referencing a NATO or US vs. Russia fight?

The reason I don't see it happening is because it would be the end of the Russian regime. Like a bee stinging, knowing it was going to die because of that sting.

North Korean may be willing to die for the vanity of KJU. I don't know if Russians have the same affection for Putin.

#24 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-10-04 03:27 PM | Reply

The US developed NSNW to stop Soviet Field Armies coming across the German Fulda Gap. I expect that at most, that's how Putin would logically consider employing his own. Against UKR forces moving further into Russian-held territory. Especially if any of the Russian fronts collapse, as it appears they well may do.

#25 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-10-04 03:30 PM | Reply

The right answer is prevent the Russians from ever using a nuke.

#1 | Posted by Effeteposer

And your recommended method is by giving putin whatever he wants. If you have nukes, you can just invade your neighbors and steal their land because its too risky to stand up to you.

#26 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-10-04 03:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I'm curious as to where you got that understanding, as if that were the case the results would be classified."

Why would it be classified that small-scale nuclear attack leads to nuclear escalation?

That's exactly the kind of thing you'd want your enemy to be poignantly aware of.

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-10-04 03:42 PM | Reply

"And was the wargaming you're referencing a NATO or US vs. Russia fight?"

Yes.

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-10-04 03:43 PM | Reply

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#17 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2022-10-04 09

At least detection wise they are truly difficult to find but safety wise not so much... Russian subs have spent extended periods of time in our coastal waters undetected in recent years.

I am well aware. That's why I put subs as the first item in a list / chain of initial conventional responses to "tactical" nuke into UA.

As you know, we have made a lot of progress in recent years ID'ing and tracking and sig-int'ing their subs. Even if order goes through the chain of command, they are not likely to "hear" about it. We also made sure their high command and chain of command of consequences - they can't rely on anyone to follow through, without "incidents" - we see how well their Army is doing.

Of course, it's a "Plan C." Putin is much less likely to survive the consequences of "demo" - initial response to first strike - or even an order to try one for some deputies and siloviki to chose between him and the rest of Russian Wehrmacht and economy.

But it's most unlikely in any event - thanks to Putin, Russia is now China's bitch, and both China and India warned Putin of the limits to their commercial relationship - if he is mad enough not to care, people around him certainly do.
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#29 | Posted by CutiePie at 2022-10-04 04:15 PM | Reply

You have no idea what's going on. Why pretend otherwise?

#30 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-10-04 05:49 PM | Reply

I expect that at most, that's how Putin would logically consider employing his own. Against UKR forces moving further into Russian-held territory. Especially if any of the Russian fronts collapse, as it appears they well may do.

#25 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER AT 2022-10-04 03:30 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

I'd wargame him as hitting Kiev to force a freeze to Ukrainian offensives.

#31 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2022-10-04 06:13 PM | Reply

@#30 ... You have no idea what's going on. Why pretend otherwise? ...

At first, i wondered to whom the "you" of your comment referred.

Then I realized, your alias was merely projecting with that comment.


#32 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-10-04 07:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#26

Yup, that is what Pres Putin, our own beloved EffetePoser alias and Elon Musk seem to want.

They seem to be saying, ~let's freeze everything where it is now, and use this current situation as the new normal.~

The problem i have with that approach is singular and strong...

It rewards Pres Putin's unprovoked aggression. Why say, effectively, we are tired of the war, you can have what you you've gotten so far?

To stop the war now, and freeze the current claimed lands as borders merely rewards the aggressor.

Where does that policy stop?

Where does the aggressor stop?

What border is safe?



#33 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-10-04 07:15 PM | Reply

The Russians have "misplaced" 1.5 million winter uniforms that were about to be send to the Russian soldiers in Ukraine. pic.twitter.com/zydL58OMXO" Visegrd 24 (@visegrad24) October 2, 2022

#34 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2022-10-04 08:18 PM | Reply

"Misplaced?" HA HA HA HA!!

What's more likely is they were never made but reported in inventory and Russian officers pocketed the money.

Brrrrrr. It's gonna get cold out there for the conscripts, who didn't wanna be in Ukraine in the first place.

#35 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2022-10-04 08:21 PM | Reply

@#35 ... What's more likely ...

It does seem to become more apparent with each passing day that Pres Putin's main battle is not with the sovereign state of Ukraine, but with those within his inner circle who want wealth over Russia.


(and am I the only one noticing that when Pres Putin attends and/or speaks at public events, his right arm seem to be, for lack of a better description, immobile?)

#36 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-10-04 08:28 PM | Reply

What's more likely is they were never made but reported in inventory and Russian officers pocketed the money.

People are saying Jarvanka is working on the order. I don't know if it's true... but that's what people are saying.

#37 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-10-04 08:35 PM | Reply

Why should Ukraine capitulate to the peace table? They're kicking Russia's red tinfoil covered arse in a war that was unprovoked and waged in their own homeland. I take President Zelenski at his word, 'they will not stop until they've recovered ever inch of Ukrainian soil.'

And I wish them 'God speed' at it.

Slava Ukraini!

#38 | Posted by earthmuse at 2022-10-04 09:02 PM | Reply

@#38 ... Why should Ukraine capitulate to the peace table? ...

That is a most excellent point.

To recap...

Pres Putin did an unprovoked invasion of a sovereign Ukraine for the purpose of annexing and eliminating Ukraine.

Ya with me so far?

OK, then we move on to Ukraine successfully repulsing Pres Putin's aggression in some areas.

And Russia's military seems to have some significant issues in their attempt to invade and annex Ukraine.

Because of that so far successful defense of their territory, Ukraine must now cede land to Pres Putin?

So, now, as mentioned by the most favored alias here, EffetePoser, Pres Putin and, Elon Misk, Ukraine should just cede wide swaths of Ukraine to Russia because, well, they attacked Ukraine.

Did I miss anything in my summary?


#39 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-10-04 09:52 PM | Reply

Why should Ukraine capitulate to the peace table?

^
This is the question that was supposed to be answered with "to stop the civilian losses" by now.

#40 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-10-04 09:55 PM | Reply

@#40 ... by now ...

imho "by now" in Pres Putin's eyes really should mean that the sovereign country of Ukraine no longer exists.

It is quite apparent how that goal has turned out.

#41 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-10-04 10:23 PM | Reply

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At this point Putin's best bet seems to be not on tactical nukes but to hold on until November mid-term elections hoping for Trumpista to take over at least one chamber of Congress and slow down the aid or create other problems (Hunter Biden? etc.), diverting attention from Ukraine:

"Donald Trump Jr. Pushes Withholding Ukraine Aid Amid Hurricane Ian Recovery - "How about we get every single Floridian back into their homes and back to normal before we send one more cent to the Ukraine?" the younger Trump tweeted."

Headlines from the front:

Russian fighter jet crashes on takeoff
Ukraine Posts Photo of Iranian Drone That Official Denies Giving to Putin
Russia's Iran-Made Drones 'Failing' and Not Meeting Expectations
Russia Loses 44 Tanks, 27 Armored Vehicles in a Single Day: Ukraine

Ukraine's stock of HIMARS will be boosted to 20 under new U.S. package, with more on the way

Russia's Demoralized New 3rd Army Corps Given Obsolete Weapons
Thousands of Russian soldiers calling "I Want to Live" hotline to surrender
Videos show Russian men breaking limbs to avoid conscription
Putin's mobilization backfires as 370,000 flee Russia in two weeks
Russians increasingly anxious as Ukraine war turns sour

Chinese social media brands Russia "weak goose" after Ukraine failures
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#42 | Posted by CutiePie at 2022-10-04 10:39 PM | Reply

"I'd wargame him as hitting Kiev to force a freeze to Ukrainian offensives."

Unless it was a decapitation attack, the cognitive effects would be the most powerful. It might compel the people of Ukraine to stand down, but it might just enrage them further.

Cognitive effects are very difficult to incorporate into wargaming.

#43 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-10-05 01:06 AM | Reply

"How about we get every single Floridian back into their homes and back to normal before we send one more cent to the Ukraine?" the younger Trump tweeted."

How about if we told this spoiled. wealthy punk to dhut up and let the acyual adults deal with serious issuea he doesn't have a clue about.

#44 | Posted by danni at 2022-10-05 02:05 AM | Reply

Sorry for the spelling. fingers don't work well any more but I hopr you did understand my post.

#45 | Posted by danni at 2022-10-05 02:08 AM | Reply

'This is the question that was supposed to be answered with "to stop the civilian losses" by now."

Probsbly you shoild have asked the civillians involved. They would tell you to nrvrt surrender Ukrainian territory to an invader. "F Putin!"

#46 | Posted by danni at 2022-10-05 02:12 AM | Reply

#39

Yeah you missed a lot, go back. Not your tutor.

#47 | Posted by facthunt at 2022-10-05 04:56 AM | Reply

If UR 'retakes' the donbas, They are going to shoah 90-plus pct of the population there.
Crimes are voting, accepting food and humanitarian aid, being nonviolent.
Expect abu ghraib / gitmo setups for this. There will be torture. Few will survive.

When our country was forged by its founders, they faced a similar sense of fear and frustration. Just prior to the signing of the Declaration, Ben Franklin stated that, "We must all hang together, or most assuredly we will all hang separately." You can say whatever you like, but that statement is just as profound today as it was over 200 years ago.

#48 | Posted by facthunt at 2022-10-05 05:22 AM | Reply

When they take it, not if.

The Russian army needs a generation to rebuild. No officer Corp, no expeditionary force, and corruption on a scale and thoroughness unprecedented in history.

#49 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2022-10-05 07:16 AM | Reply

Just software patching air defenses to detect and intercept HIMARS and the devops to get it to the field is a 6 month to 1 year project. Plus new training.

#50 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2022-10-05 07:17 AM | Reply

"corruption on a scale and thoroughness unprecedented in history."

The fish rots from the head down.

#51 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-10-05 07:21 AM | Reply

I guess Russian deaths don't matter. They don't feel pain or fear like Western people do.

They have no empathy either. They're Just Scum to be slaughtered.

After they're all dead, the Golden People of Ukraine can reclaim the Donbass and resume profiting from their improvements.

It's all in the name of Justice.

After all Pooty started it so of course other Russian's must die or be dispossessed.

Cornered Rats are dangerous. The Ukies better be careful when they clear the Vermin.

#52 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-10-05 11:25 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

I have plenty of empathy for those slave soldiers.

They don't get to win though.

#53 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2022-10-05 12:03 PM | Reply

That's not up to you, But if the Ukies win,will you care if the local Russians are massacred? Or is payback all good in Sitzkrieg land?

Cuz, the Ukies have an ugly history of murder and intolerance. The Donbass didn't rebel for NO Reason.

#54 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-10-05 12:15 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"the Ukies have an ugly history of murder and intolerance."

Good God, man...reading your posts, it's almost like Ukraine invaded Russia.

#55 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-10-05 12:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"the Ukies have an ugly history of murder and intolerance."

Whereas Russia has a glorious history of murder and intolerance!

Advantage: Putin.

#56 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-10-05 12:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Boom. Nuclear war. Dumbest answer ever. The right answer is prevent the Russians from ever using a nuke.
"

Neville Chamberlain lives!

I agree with Patreus wxcept for their reaction to radiaton drifting into their nayions. Of course that would be an act of war by Russia against them deserving a swift and decisive response. NATO has more bombers and nukes than Putin does and he knows that. Perhaps i is time to alert the Rssian people to the danger Putin is exposing them to. Perhaps leaflets since he holds a strsngle hold on information. Spell it out clearly. He is threatening nuclear war and the west eill respond overwhelmingly. The Russians need to know what that psycho is getting them into.

#57 | Posted by danni at 2022-10-05 12:45 PM | Reply

The Ukies kill their own. Internal political repression. That is part of why Russia invaded.

If the Ukies win, will anyone here actually care about Russian civil rights and safety in the Ukraine?

These concerns actually helped trigger the war.

Or is Western ethnic cleansing ok?

Like when the Croats massacred Serbs. NATO was all good with that.

The problem isn't human rights abuses.

I just depends on who the abused people are.

Never Again, means Jews only, I guess?

Everybody else is open season.

#58 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-10-05 12:46 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"We must all hang together, or most assuredly we will all hang separately."

The difference being Ukraine is not run by a tyrant or a king. So if Russians surrender to Ukraine they will be treated humanely. I don't think we could say as much for Ukrainians being captured by Russians tho. In that case they might as well fight the Russians to the death because their captivity in Russia will probably be much worse than death.

#59 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-10-05 12:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

But if the Ukies win

#54 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER AT 2022-10-05 12:15 PM | FLAG:

They've already won. There's nothing the Russians can do to save their army. They do not have a national culture capable of turning this around. All we can do is sit back and watch as it collapses.

Russia already depopulated it for Ukraine. Forced evacuations East, and mass conscription of 3-4 generations of men in Donbass. They used them as meat shields. Used, past tense. The DPR and LPR forces are the most destroyed in theater.

#60 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2022-10-05 12:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You know this how? All previous behavior points to a bloodbath if the Ukies retake the Donbass.

The civilians will get it first as "Traitors".

Those Nazis can be Vicious to helpless people you know. It's easier and less risky to kill the helpless.

#61 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-10-05 12:54 PM | Reply

You know the future? Can you give stock tips too? You know Russian culture? Really? You could well be right.

Or completely Wrong......

You know that right?

#62 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-10-05 12:58 PM | Reply

Those Nazis can be Vicious to helpless people you know. It's easier and less risky to kill the helpless.

#61 | Posted by Effeteposer

You're still buying the "nazis" excuse from the guy who had to take over all the tv stations and shut down the internet?

#63 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-10-05 01:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I do believe that Putin is capable of ordering a tactical nuke to be utilized against the Ukrainians. What will happen/what we and NATO will chose to do/not do afterwards, is the big question.

#64 | Posted by MSgt at 2022-10-05 02:17 PM | Reply

The Ukrainian army is marching towards Kherson and advancing at a rapid pace. The Russian army is trying to figure out how to get the guys and equipment across the river and avoid being surrounded. At the rate the UKA is advancing, doesn't look it's going to work out for Pootie Poot. And the RU army typically leaves behind a lot of equipment that get a quick V painted over the Russian's Z.

#65 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2022-10-05 02:42 PM | Reply

You know this how?

#61 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER AT 2022-10-05 12:54 PM | FLAG:

OSINT. Interviews of DPR-LPR soldiers. etc, etc. DPR-LPR were gutted months ago. More conscripts that had to provide their own gear and were thrown face first into mixed Russian-NATO weaponry. Most died.

#66 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2022-10-05 02:52 PM | Reply

"You know this how?"

Imagine having credible information at your fingertips but just relying on RT.

EffetePoser, you don't have to imagine.

#67 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-10-05 03:04 PM | Reply

"The Donbass didn't rebel for NO Reason."

Do we know that they actually rebelled?

I mean, just my perspective, but I can see why many of them would choose not to be part of Russia. I don't want to be poor and backwards. I can't be the only one, right?

I can also see why Russia would want to make it look like the Russian empire was something that could never be undone.

I'm not discounting your point...If the Donbass wants to be part of Russia, I say let them. I'm just not convinced, based on what is currently going on, that they do.

What I do see is pro-Russian leaders in the Donbass who want to be part of Russia, but I can't discount the fact that they are Russich aparatchiks who just want to be overlords backed by a more powerful overlord who can provide forced to keep the locals in check.

To me, pro-Russians in Donbass are akin to pro-ISIS in Syria. I don't understand it, but that doesn't mean that they don't genuinely feel affection for ISIS (Or Russia).

#68 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-10-05 03:07 PM | Reply

"The Ukies kill their own. Internal political repression. That is part of why Russia invaded."

Because Russia doesn't kill their own? Or engage in political repression?

Are you trying to lose credibility?

#69 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-10-05 03:08 PM | Reply

"You know this how? All previous behavior points to a bloodbath if the Ukies retake the Donbass."

As if Putin would have reconciled with Ukrainians who had fought against the Soviet regime.

Russians have learned over the decades to keep their heads down and shut the ---- up. That is how you survive.

Your argument is abject steaming -------- because Ukraine wants to align with the west. How much support do you think would be given to UKR if they started slaughtering civilians in Donbass?

#70 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-10-05 03:13 PM | Reply

Are you trying to lose credibility?

I'm not sure that is possible at this point.

#71 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-10-05 03:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Hell, even Chechnya is refusing to help Vlad the Vicious with more troops.

Wouldn't be surprised fn Donbass is going to continue helping him what with their territory being destroyed and a forced vote.

#72 | Posted by Corky at 2022-10-05 03:45 PM | Reply

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