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Ukraine has carried out a "massive" drone attack on the Black Sea Fleet in the Crimean port city of Sevastopol, damaging one warship, Russia says.

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Russia halts Ukraine Black Sea grain exports, citing attack on Crimea
www.reuters.com

#1 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-10-29 03:44 PM | Reply

russia lying?

#2 | Posted by Tor at 2022-10-29 04:00 PM | Reply

Russia halts Ukraine Black Sea grain exports, citing attack on Crimea
www.reuters.com

#1 | Posted by sentinel

That agreement would have ended next month anyway.

#3 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2022-10-29 04:31 PM | Reply

At least 4 ships have been hit including their flagship. There is even submersible drone footage.

#4 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2022-10-29 04:37 PM | Reply

There is even rumors that Russian ships took damage from their own surface-to-air missile debris falling falling back down.

#5 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2022-10-29 04:53 PM | Reply

The Admiral Makarov, Russia's replacement for the Moskova - that Ukraine sunk - as their Black Sea flagship, has also been promoted to submarine.

#6 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2022-10-29 04:59 PM | Reply


Usual good coverage from the site, with videos and photos...

Ukraine Unleashes Mass Kamikaze Drone Boat Attack On Russia's Black Sea Fleet Headquarters
www.thedrive.com

...The largest city in Crimea and the home of Russia's Black Sea Fleet woke up to heavy explosions and anti-aircraft fire during an attack Russian officials say included aerial drones and especially unmanned surface vessels (USV), both of which were 'suicide' or 'kamikaze' types mean to explode when they arrive at their targets.

The Ukrainian Armed Forces have since released incredible footage purportedly from aboard several unmanned surface vessels used in the attack. The video shows the purported attack run on a guided missile frigate and Russian forces engaging the USVs with machine-gun fire. ...


#7 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-10-29 06:07 PM | Reply

Related ... .

Russia halts Ukraine Black Sea grain exports, Biden outraged

Oct 29 (Reuters) - Russia on Saturday suspended participation in a U.N.-brokered Black Sea grain deal after what it said was a major Ukrainian drone attack on its fleet in Crimea, dealing a blow to attempts to ease the global food crisis.

U.S. President Joe Biden denounced the move as "purely outrageous" and said it would increase starvation.
www.reuters.com

Winning?

#8 | Posted by oneironaut at 2022-10-29 06:13 PM | Reply

Irrelevant it ended next month anyway.

#9 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2022-10-29 06:32 PM | Reply

9 drones is "massive"?

#10 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-10-29 07:27 PM | Reply

#8 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

Perhaps Putin could put an end to his illegal, immoral, and petty invasion of a neighboring sovereign nation.

#11 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-10-29 07:28 PM | Reply

Perhaps Putin could put an end to his illegal, immoral, and petty invasion of a neighboring sovereign nation.

#11 | Posted by LegallyYourDead

And in violation of the 1994 treaty they signed that stated Russia would not invade if the UKr gave up their 5000 nukes.

#12 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2022-10-29 07:35 PM | Reply

Perhaps Kyiv needs to amplify the pain for Russia's general population, to cause a proportional level of anxiety and grief?

Over 6 million Ukrainians have been made homeless by Putin's war. That's 15% of Ukraine's population. Proportionally, more than 18 million Russians should become homeless. Is that possible? It would take a lot of soul searching on Ukraine's leaders' part to be as unconscionable as Putin and his generals, so that would likely never be considered. But Russian civilian society has not experienced even a minuscule fraction of the suffering that has been inflicted on Ukraine's population. How should Ukraine amplify Russia's empathy for the Russian military's and Putin's horrendous aggression?

Perhaps a few pages from the Sinn Fein snd IRA playbooks are in order? Blow up a hundred or so electrical grid transformers around big Russian cities? Break the big city rail networks? Or hack Russian media to embarass Putin and inform the Russian people what a kleptocracy Putin leads and what s monstrous hypocrite he is?

If proportionality in violence is one of the tenets of "just war", does anyone have an answer to the question on how Ukraine should wage war proportionally against a monster?

#13 | Posted by Augustine at 2022-10-30 12:08 AM | Reply

Whatever resources Ukraine and its citizenry have to bring awareness to the Russian citizenry about how Putin lied about this waste of Russia's military and treasure to rain terror into Ukraine's civilian populace for only the sake of a kleptocratic, mafia-boss styled dictator's ego must be employed ASAP.

For too long, Putin has tried to keep Russia's public in the dark about his criminal aggression while Ukraine's suffering and anxiety has been off the charts. How should the Russian people be made aware of this terror committed in their name and made to feel empathy for Ukraine's suffering?

#14 | Posted by Augustine at 2022-10-30 07:51 AM | Reply

Augustine,

I really think one needs to look at this entire Putin endeavor not as a nation-state geopolitical move, but actually as mafia crackdown after those under its protection racket rebel and the Don tries to reestablish the old order. But then he finds out those he extorted not only repel the retaliation, they inflict structural and physical damage with lasting implications, and his entire organization is weakened by the same internal grifting to the point he very well might be overthrown at the top.

Basically under Putin, Russia is no more than an organized crime organization disguised as a country. The reason he's so incensed about Ukraine is that the country has ridded itself of Putin's cronies who directed portions of their graft directly to their Russian overbosses, and now that flow has stopped. Pootie ain't happy and now the other satellite countries in the same position are also balking at paying Putin's vigorish.

#15 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-10-30 09:15 AM | Reply

Hello TR. Your optimism about the demise of Putin because of this illegal invasion is appreciated but not quite shared. Only after his archbishop of the Russian Orthodox faith finally renounces Putin's aggression, will I think that there's a chance that Putin will change his mind or change his tactics. If Putin makes 300 million Europeans and North Americans endure a frigid winter while 140 million Russians endure minimal discomfort, who will be winning this "special military operation"?

No matter if Russia succeeds, Russia will still be what it has become " a pariah state that no Western government will trust or believe. And how will Ukrainians treat their Russian occupiers? With contempt snd hatred. But, conversely, what Ukraine prevails? Trillions of Euros will ne needed to rebuild what Putin destroyed. Could an unrepentant Soviet style Russian kleptocracy and a thoroughly abused and victimized Ukraine ever forgive and forget? Unlikely. The enmity will likey linger fot 100 yrs ot more.

#16 | Posted by Augustine at 2022-10-30 11:03 PM | Reply

Could an unrepentant Soviet style Russian kleptocracy and a thoroughly abused and victimized Ukraine ever forgive and forget? Unlikely. The enmity will likey linger fot 100 yrs ot more.

#16 | Posted by Augustine

A friend's mom emigrated from Ukraine as a kid when Stalin was starving them to death. She and her parents, who lived down the street from her, had no shortage of hatred for Russians many decades later.

#17 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2022-10-30 11:22 PM | Reply

Hello TR. Your optimism about the demise of Putin because of this illegal invasion is appreciated but not quite shared. Only after the archbishop of the Russian Orthodox faith finally renounces Putin's aggression, is there a chance that Putin will change his mind or change his tactics. And this winter, if Putin makes 300-500 million Europeans and North Americans endure a frigid winter while 140 million Russians stay comfy with minimal discomfort, who would then be winning this "special military operation"?

No matter if Russia succeeds, Russia will still be what it has become "a pariah state" that no Western government will trust or believe. And how would Ukrainians treat their Russian occupiers? With contempt snd hatred, of course. But, conversely, what if Ukraine prevails? Trillions of Euros would be needed to rebuild all that Putin destroyed. Could an unrepentant Soviet/style Russian kleptocracy and a thoroughly abused and victimized Ukraine ever forgive and forget this war? Unlikely. The enmity will likey linger fot 100 yrs ot more.

#18 | Posted by Augustine at 2022-10-30 11:27 PM | Reply

No matter if Russia succeeds, Russia will still be what it has become "a pariah state" that no Western government will trust or believe

Until the GQP gets into power, then Russia will become our most trusted ally.

#19 | Posted by Nixon at 2022-10-31 08:03 AM | Reply

If Ukraine starts bombing the Russian mainland, that's the justification Putin needs to declare all full on out war against them. Those of you cheerleading Ukraine dont understand that Russia hasnt brought no where near the full power of their military to bear in this conflict. And no, I'm not on Russia's side.

I've just seen power projections of Russia while I was active duty and I know what they can do if they really want to.

#20 | Posted by boaz at 2022-10-31 10:20 AM | Reply

I've just seen power projections of Russia while I was active duty and I know what they can do if they really want to.

With respect, have you been keeping up on the fact that our intelligence on Russia's conventional capabilities have been proven woefully wrong and far too overestimated?

They do not have WWII logistics, much less 21 Century logistics. They don't have trucks, they don't have forklifts, nor palletized capabilities, and due to corruption in the manufacturing and procurement processes, much of what they do have is made with inferior materials that quickly fail under the stress of war usage.

Sitz and Madbomber have both been wired in to what's going on, and there's a former US military guy named Trent Telenko on Twitter who's done fantastic deep dives into things that you'd understand but fly right over my head. You should check it out.

#21 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-10-31 10:29 AM | Reply

I've just seen power projections of Russia while I was active duty and I know what they can do if they really want to.

#20 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2022-10-31 10:20 AM | FLAG:

I'd wager 10 to 1 those projections were based on theoretical Russian capability that did not model in corruption nor empirical real world performance, because everybody on the planet vastly underestimated how influential those variables really are until it happened.

Practical Russian capability is... something else entirely. Russian guided missile cruiser can't use their own communication systems while their Air Defense Radar is operational. The Black Sea Fleet rendered combat ineffective. Their tank factories can only send to the front refurbished tanks at 10% of the rate they are losing them and their depots are drained (thank you OSINT satellites). The entire Russian air force is incapable of coordinating any complex air packages. The VDV was wiped. 25% of the Ka-52 fleet is visually confirmed destroyed. Wagner is only combat effective at the moment because they drained prisons and now enroll even people with AIDS (massive AIDs outbreak in Russia), and they can't crack Bakhmut despite being supported by the best of everything left in the Russian army. Their latest and great SAM systems, EW systems, C2 & C3 systems, even a T-90 are in NATO hands already. There are even recent pics of new Russian hardware being hauled to the Nevada Test Range for dissection.

^^ Tony's been paying attention.

#22 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2022-10-31 10:54 AM | Reply

and this is only my opinion... but HIMARS works great because it's in Ukrainian hands. The massive BM-21 fleet they have and we do not allows them to hide the HIMARS missiles inside of a Grad barrage. There's only a +500kph different in a HIMARS rocket, so when launched in the middle of a Grad barrage the S-300 and S-400 software UI is not capable of sorting the targets. That's a 6 months to 1 year dev ops project just to try to upgrade a diminishing supply of air defense systems and retrain the also dwindling supply of operators.

#23 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2022-10-31 10:58 AM | Reply

"If Ukraine starts bombing the Russian mainland, that's the justification Putin needs to declare all full on out war against them."

Crimea is not part of the Russian mainland and does not belong to Russia.

And I am loling at Pooty declaring "full on out war against them".

Like that would make any difference in their fighting capability (unless you mean use nukes).

Pointy does not need outside "justification ".

He would just create some as he has already demonstrated.

#24 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-10-31 11:00 AM | Reply

70k+ dead confirmed, estimated 140-150k wounded or captured.

Lets put this in an American perspective:

Imagine if a President went on a military adventure, and lost the entire US Marine Corp. All of them. Grunts and pogs. And all of their gear. And their battle taxis.

#25 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2022-10-31 11:21 AM | Reply

and lost them all in 8 months.

#26 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2022-10-31 11:22 AM | Reply

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