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MSNBC has cancelled The Cross Connection and cut its ties with host Tiffany Cross, effective immediately.

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#1 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-11-04 04:38 PM | Reply

More from the article...

...Variety, citing MSNBC sources, reported that Cross' relationship with MSNBC was "becoming frayed" as executives grew "concerned about the anchor's willingness to address statements made by cable-news hosts on other networks and indulging in commentary executives felt did not meet the standards of MSNBC or NBC News."

The "final straw" for Cross may have been her comments this week about Florida. Appearing on Comedy Central's Hell of a Week with Charlemagne, Cross was asked which state Democrats could afford to lose in the upcoming mid-term elections. "Florida literally looks like the d"k of the country, so let's get rid of Florida," Cross said. "Let's -------- Florida."

In the same appearance, Cross said that it was impossible to separate the Republican Party from "right wing extremists," saying they had "merged right now"...


#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-11-04 04:41 PM | Reply

I'm all for cutting off Florida.

#3 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-11-04 04:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

media.tenor.com

#4 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-11-04 04:45 PM | Reply

So somebody that tells the truth is "bigoted" now? Bwahahahaha.

#5 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-11-04 04:45 PM | Reply

So sad

Not the firing, but that supposed "men" are spending their Saturdays watching these programs like nut less house pets

#6 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2022-11-04 04:58 PM | Reply

"I'm all for cutting off Florida."

Tiffany thinks your dick looks like Florida.

Whether it's cutting off dicks, or writing off any entire state and telling them we don't care about trying to court your votes, it's completely understandable why MSNBC wouldn't want to be associated with that.

Too bad that it took them this long and this close to the election to realize she was a liability.

#7 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-11-04 05:06 PM | Reply

@#7 ... Too bad that it took them this long and this close to the election to realize she was a liability. ...

Or maybe, as the election approached, her rhetoric got more and more extreme, and MSNBC tried to deal with it behind the scenes for as long as they could. But finally they realized their efforts were not working, and had to let her go.

#8 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-11-04 05:25 PM | Reply

"Tiffany thinks your dick looks like Florida."

Big and gay at the tip?

#9 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-11-04 05:30 PM | Reply

Don't tell me they fired all the whites.

I don't believe it.

#10 | Posted by fresno500 at 2022-11-04 06:18 PM | Reply

(Reads article.)

I should have known.

#11 | Posted by fresno500 at 2022-11-04 06:19 PM | Reply

@#11 ... I should have known. ...

What should you have known?

Do tell...

#12 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-11-04 07:24 PM | Reply

^^^ your nemesis,

Too much truth.

#13 | Posted by fresno500 at 2022-11-04 07:54 PM | Reply

@#13 ... Too much truth. ...

Sooo, ya got nothin'

No surprise.

#14 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-11-04 07:59 PM | Reply

It should be obvious that the alias in #11 was referring to what they wrote in #10.

#15 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-11-04 08:36 PM | Reply

@#15 ... It should be obvious that the alias in #11 was referring to what they wrote in #10. ...

That was quite obvious to me.

But the question I posed was about #13, not #11.

Was that aspect not obvious to you?


#16 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-11-04 09:11 PM | Reply

"Or maybe, as the election approached, her rhetoric got more and more extreme, and MSNBC tried to deal with it behind the scenes for as long as they could. But finally they realized their efforts were not working, and had to let her go."

Looking at the history of her rhetoric, it's been very obnoxious for a long time.

www.politico.com

But it's part of a wider problem where MSNBC made a conscious decision to become a mirror image of Fox News, promoting hosts and guests who are just as extreme on left as the other network has on the right. It worked well for them when Trump was in office, but it's obviously backfired on them since Trump left office. They could have done more to reign this stuff in sooner.

#17 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-11-04 09:16 PM | Reply

"But the question I posed was about #13, not #11."

The question you posed in #12 was about #13?

Are you okay?

#18 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-11-04 09:19 PM | Reply

@#17 .... Looking at the history of her rhetoric, it's been very obnoxious for a long time. ...

So you seem to agree with my comment that MSNBC had been trying to deal with her rhetoric, but eventually reached the point where they said, "enough."

As a manager, I've had employees like that. But their obstinance was their problem, not mine.

So, at this point, I got to ask, what, exactly is your point here?

Keep in mind that I am not a big fan of MSNBC but (and you had to know that was coming) I gotta say, I think your comments are tilting at windmills here. ...

Where's the beef?
en.wikipedia.org


#19 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-11-04 09:30 PM | Reply

@#18 ... The question you posed in #12 was about #13?

Are you okay? ...

 

Oh, I'm doing fine.

I do admit, with all the deflections, it may be difficult to keep up, but I'll suggest your alias gives it a try, instead of trying to deflect.

So, along those lines, let's get back to my @#12...

...
@#11 ... I should have known. ...

What should you have known?

Do tell...
...


OK, yer up...

#20 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-11-04 09:39 PM | Reply

"your alias" seems to have broken character.

#21 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-11-04 09:57 PM | Reply

"Moving Violations" was a great movie.

www.youtube.com

#22 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-11-04 10:04 PM | Reply

@#21 ... "your alias" seems to have broken character. ...

Cool, please tell me how.

And I do notice that your comment continues in its deflection.

So, why does your alias seem to be so afraid of commenting on...

@#7 ... Too bad that it took them this long and this close to the election to realize she was a liability. ...

Or maybe, as the election approached, her rhetoric got more and more extreme, and MSNBC tried to deal with it behind the scenes for as long as they could. But finally they realized their efforts were not working, and had to let her go.


It seems to be a rather direct comment.

Yet, all I've seen in response is noise.

So, let's get back to that...

Or maybe, as the election approached, her rhetoric got more and more extreme, and MSNBC tried to deal with it behind the scenes for as long as they could. But finally they realized their efforts were not working, and had to let her go.


Yer up...



#23 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-11-04 10:14 PM | Reply

"@#21 ... "your alias" seems to have broken character. ...
Cool, please tell me how.

Your alias is always being snarky by referring to people it responds to as "your alias", but in #12 it addressed a known performative troll as "you".

"And I do notice that your comment continues in its deflection."

You're the one who brought up a reference to Clara. I was just musing on a movie that she appeared in.

"Or maybe, as the election approached, her rhetoric got more and more extreme, and MSNBC tried to deal with it behind the scenes for as long as they could. But finally they realized their efforts were not working, and had to let her go."

Already responded to this in #17. You quoted just the first line of that, and then obtusely wondered what my point was. Maybe try rereading the whole comment, and you'll get the answer to that.

#24 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-11-04 10:32 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

@#24 ... Your alias is always being snarky by referring to people it responds to as "your alias" ...

The snarkniness is not intended.

Back in a prior life I ran a message board.

When people signed up for that message board they were asked what alias they chose to use when they posted messages.

It seems to me to be an appropriate use of the the word "alias" doncha think? Stated a bit differnetl, is sentinel your real name or an alias?

Let's move on...

So let's drill down to the topic of conversation I raised...

...
@#11 ... I should have known. ...

What should you have known?

Do tell...


At this point, i have to ask, why does your alias seem to be so concerned about a comment posted by a different alias, and your alias has seemingly strived so hard to deflect away from that comment?


This is getting to be quite interesting, if only for the reason why your alias seems to be so, let's say, energetic in its deflection away from the topic of discussion.....

Why?

#25 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-11-04 11:12 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

You two have way too much time on your hands.

#26 | Posted by fresno500 at 2022-11-04 11:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

LOL. You remind of someone I used to know on Usenet.

Anyway, I did direct you back to a comment where I addressed at least one of your questions. If you want to discuss the actual topic, feel free to go back to that and see if you can formulate a response that doesn't resort to an argumentum ad alias.

#27 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-11-04 11:19 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#26 How did you know?

#28 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-11-04 11:22 PM | Reply

@#27 ... If you want to discuss the actual topic, feel free to go back to that ...

"that"

What comment?

More deflection on your alias' part.

Do try harder.

#29 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-11-04 11:32 PM | Reply

@#26 ... you two have way too much time on your hands. ...

While I cannot speak for the other alias, I do ask why you may think that?

Why does your alias think it may be a waste of time to question what is proffered here?

And, while your alias seems to be here, why doesn't it reply to #12?


Jus' askin'


#30 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-11-04 11:36 PM | Reply

"But it's part of a wider problem where MSNBC made a conscious decision to become a mirror image of Fox News, promoting hosts and guests who are just as extreme on left as the other network has on the right. It worked well for them when Trump was in office, but it's obviously backfired on them since Trump left office. They could have done more to reign this stuff in sooner."

#17 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

#31 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-11-04 11:44 PM | Reply

@#31

Yup, and as I replied in #18...


@#17 .... Looking at the history of her rhetoric, it's been very obnoxious for a long time. ...

So you seem to agree with my comment that MSNBC had been trying to deal with her rhetoric, but eventually reached the point where they said, "enough."

As a manager, I've had employees like that. But their obstinance was their problem, not mine.

So, at this point, I got to ask, what, exactly is your point here?

Keep in mind that I am not a big fan of MSNBC but (and you had to know that was coming) I gotta say, I think your comments are tilting at windmills here. ...

Where's the beef?
en.wikipedia.org


So, I continue to add, what's yer point?

I do note that your alias still has not responded to my questions about its #15.

Indeed, from that point onward, your alias seemed to have taken a most defensive and deflective attitude, trying to discuss anything except the questions posed.

Did I strike a nerve?



#32 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-11-05 12:11 AM | Reply

@#33

Do try to be relevant.

#34 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-11-05 02:53 AM | Reply

My point was clear, as reiterated in #31. If you honestly can't see what my point was, then we're at an impasse.

You're being kind of a dick about it.

#35 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-11-05 09:52 AM | Reply

Pot meet kettle

#36 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-11-05 08:23 PM | Reply

Original headline: MSNBC "unexpectedly" cancels bigoted host

#37 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-11-05 08:49 PM | Reply

"concerned about the anchor's willingness to address statements made by cable-news hosts on other networks and indulging in commentary executives felt did not meet the standards of MSNBC or NBC News."

Rich people.

They did the same thing to Norm McDonald and Keith Olbermann.

---- purists pull crap like this while the right allows it's media figures to do as they wish on camera.

#38 | Posted by Tor at 2022-11-05 08:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Original headline: MSNBC "unexpectedly" cancels bigoted host

Proud of your racist invention, huh? Here's the rest of the story:

Over the summer, when Alyssa Farah Griffin - a former Trump White House communications aide who has since condemned the former president for inciting the Jan. 6, 2021, riot - was a finalist for a co-hosting position on "The View," Cross referred to her as a "tawdry turncoat Trump loyalist" who "quickly morphed into an opportunist after voluntarily taking jobs with the Trump administration" and said she "rode his wave of open xenophobia and racism all the way to network television."

In October, Cross also referred to Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas as "Justice Pubic Hair on My Coke Can" - a reference to a detail from Anita Hill's sexual harassment complaint against Thomas that she aired during his Senate confirmation hearings 31 years ago.

Conservative podcaster Megyn Kelly responded by calling Cross the most "racist person on television." Cross in turn called Kelly "the blackface expert," a reference to Kelly's own on-air controversy, when she defended blackface as a Halloween costume during a stint as an NBC morning host.

Tucker Carlson, Fox News's most popular prime-time host, dedicated an opening monologue to Cross, suggesting that her commentary about racism was likely to foment an anti-White movement akin to the Rwandan genocide.

The cancellation of Cross's show spurred outrage in some quarters on the left. "Tucker Carlson hits Tiffany Cross recently and accuses her for fueling a race war.' She get deluged with hate and criticism. Now? She's out at MSNBC. Contract not renewed. Timing is terrible," tweeted Wajahat Ali, a liberal columnist for the Daily Beast.

www.washingtonpost.com

Black women aren't allowed to fight back when attacked by powerful white figures. This simply confirms it. Black women, unafraid to use their platforms to speak their truths apparently are an intolerable threat to white security. Talk about cancel culture. Snowflakes cry and melt whenever they're confronted from outsiders piercing the security of their own rights to be bigots within protected by their white privilege.

And perhaps the most insidious aspect of this entire sordid affair is that the person in charge of MSNBC is a woman of color too. So Aretha's anthem was repurposed for this action: Sisters are doing it TO themselves.

#39 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-11-05 09:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

This is Tiffany Cross' epic takedown of Megan Kelly: twitter.com

You watch it and decide whether this makes her the 'most racist person on television' as the obviously wounded Kelly claimed after Tiffany eviscerated her with the uncomfortable truth of her own irrelevance to people of certain intellect.

#40 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-11-05 09:22 PM | Reply

She was accurate and laid it all out as it is.
Nothing racist in what Cross said.
An honest takedown of Kelly and the white privilege she had been relying on to protect her.

Just like dishonest right-wingers pretending "race neutral" is all they're after.
"Race neutral" is fair only where racism doesn't exist.

#41 | Posted by YAV at 2022-11-05 09:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

it's true.

#42 | Posted by ichiro at 2022-11-05 11:05 PM | Reply

It's easy to find a litany of Cross's stupidity and bigotry if you know how to use Google. Not surprising that other bigots are showing up to defend one of their own.

#43 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-11-05 11:57 PM | Reply

"You don't understand how sisters move," Joy Reid told critics. "So, watch this space. We will be here, her sisters will be here to support anything Tiffany Cross ever does. Know that. Believe that."
Sounds eerily similar to when Cross said Will Smith slapping Chris Rock was a "black" thing and that no one else should have an opinion about it because they don't "get" black culture.

#44 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-11-06 12:37 AM | Reply

Might? Lol

#45 | Posted by CrisisStills at 2022-11-06 01:03 AM | Reply

Never heard of her but I agree with what she said.

#46 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2022-11-06 01:40 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You watch it and decide whether this makes her the 'most racist person on television' as the obviously wounded Kelly claimed after Tiffany eviscerated her with the uncomfortable truth of her own irrelevance to people of certain intellect.

People have different expectations of her show, any show for that matter. I expected her show to be sharp, biting, insightful, political commentary; not a vehicle to attack hosts on other networks. I tuned out on TC because it spent more time on cultural issues than I wanted to hear. I'm looking for sharp, biting, insightful, political commentary.

The other problem I have with many of these political shows (irrespective of network) is that there are not enough guests of opposing views willing to come on the show; perhaps because they know there arguments don't hold up and therefore, are unwilling to subject themselves to intense scrutiny. Perhaps the best person MSNBC has that brings on opposition pundits is Ari Melber. Maybe Ari is good at what he does because of his legal training i.e. being accustomed to debating both sides of an issue.

TC's comments on the Charlamagne tha God radio show were vulgar, crude and unworthy of her platform. Did she forget where she was? It's one thing to sit around the dinner table and mouth off. It's something entirely different when you have millions of people hanging on your every word. MSNBC did right by getting rid of her.

Let's have a battle of ideas not a ------- contest.

#47 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2022-11-06 06:23 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

How's that work?
That "battle of ideas" when one side doesn't need any ideas, just hate and lies?
I hear it in the gym. They feed each other the same lies and hate, over and over, and laugh and laugh. Utterly clueless, but so sure they are right. For instance for those of us that have humanity and morality, the rhetoric and venom against Paul Pelosi last week was stomach-turning. They cackled and cackled about "gay Paul" in the gym, though.

I used to believe there were enough decent people in this world to counter that, but the election is way too close to believe that fantasy. DeSantis that ripped kids to shreds over wearing masks, arrested people his state said could vote, paraded them as proof of voter frauad, lied for weeks about being in public when he had COVID, lies about LGBTQ people, bans books, and puts out the most cringeworthy ads about he being sent by God - and yet, he is almost sure to win Florida.

#48 | Posted by YAV at 2022-11-06 07:21 AM | Reply

Cross is wrong. Florida is not the dick of the country: it is the -------- of the country. It's one of those oversized, ugly, floppy --------s that hides in its runaway folds an extremely small member incapable of much penetration, and as such leads to an ultimately joyless existence for the ones who regularly embrace it.

In Florida's case I'm all for ------- mutilation. Clip it and reveal it for the physical and intellectual acorn it is.

#49 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2022-11-06 09:20 AM | Reply

"I'm all for ------- mutilation."

Sums up the key demographic of Tiffany Cross and those still supporting anything she ever does.

#50 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-11-06 09:49 AM | Reply

She wasn't lying. At the same time, it is certainly an offense that deserves punishment.

#51 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2022-11-06 12:40 PM | Reply

So somebody that tells the truth is "bigoted" now?

#5 | Posted by LegallyYourDead

Welcome to my world.

#52 | Posted by boaz at 2022-11-06 01:52 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Welcome to my world."

LOL!!!

What an idiot.

#53 | Posted by Angrydad at 2022-11-06 02:17 PM | Reply

Here's some more Tiffany Cross "bigotry" for ya: twitter.com

#54 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-11-06 05:24 PM | Reply

Here's some more Tiffany Cross bigotry for ya: www.youtube.com

#55 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-11-07 07:14 AM | Reply

The original context of Kelly's "most racist person on television" comment: www.mediaite.com

#56 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-11-07 07:27 AM | Reply

"This is Tiffany Cross' epic takedown of Megan Kelly: twitter.com

That's not helping her case. Tiffany is at least as much of a provocateur as Kelly was during her early Fox News days. Arguably, as much of one as Tucker is today. The funny thing is that Ms "Keeper of the Culture" will also be 50 in a few years, even though she acts much younger.

#57 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-11-07 07:34 AM | Reply

Not helping your case is you and your history here.

#58 | Posted by YAV at 2022-11-07 08:05 AM | Reply

If you're aiming to slander me, just come right out and do it instead of acting like passive-aggressive tw*t.

#59 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-11-07 08:39 AM | Reply

If citing your post history is slandering you you only have yourself to blame.

#60 | Posted by YAV at 2022-11-07 08:46 AM | Reply

You haven't cited anything, just vaguely made an allusion to something without proof or context.

#61 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-11-07 09:02 AM | Reply

The points made in #55-57 obviously struck a deep nerve, since you feel the need to deflect with underhanded ad hominem attacks rather than addressing what I wrote.

#62 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-11-07 09:07 AM | Reply

#56

The only mistake Tiffany made in regards to the Tua concussion controversy was to place blame on the wrong person. Yes, the coach himself is half black, but the neuro physician who evaluated the obviously concussed player was indeed wrong and fired as soon as the extent of Tua's head injury became apparent the very next week after his worse reinjury - which could have been fatal - to which Tiffany was responding to.

Her opinion that the white NFL owners don't place the health regards of players at the forefront of competitive decisions should not be controversial to anyone who watches the sport. Players are replaceable commodities and are often treated as such regardless of how much money they're contracted to make.

#63 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-11-07 09:11 AM | Reply

Exactly, Tony.

And yet Sentinel's wedded to the right-wing propagandist's "most racist person on television" idea.
And he pretends his post history isn't well known.

#64 | Posted by YAV at 2022-11-07 10:15 AM | Reply

#64

I'm not going to let an ignorant bigot spew his venom out of context and without comment. I refer back to my original comment on Elie Mystal's defense of Tiffany Cross on the other thread.

Now watch the vitriol Elie's words will bring, right here on this blog. Take note. Hit dogs yelp the loudest.
And like a moth to a flame, here we are.

#65 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-11-07 10:22 AM | Reply

I'm not sure why your alias thinks comparing yourself to an animal abuser that throws rocks at "dogs" is somehow clever. I'm guessing Trump and his supporters thought the same thing when Kelly "yelped" after he hit her with his lame insults.

#66 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-11-07 10:55 AM | Reply

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