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Saturday, November 12, 2022

A Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress and Bell P-63 Kingcobra collided during the Wings Over Dallas air show Saturday, sending both historic planes crashing to the ground. There were five crew members aboard the B-17 and one in the P-63.

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Well at least that ended quickly.

#1 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-11-12 04:19 PM | Reply

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2 planes collide and crash at Dallas air show
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#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-11-12 04:23 PM | Reply

Ouch. I rode in a Confederate Air Force B-25 at an air show once. Hopefully there were no passengers on this one.

#3 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-11-12 04:37 PM | Reply

It was Texas Raider & a P-63 that are usually at Conroe North Houston or Hooks Airport. Show flights are Essential Flight Crew Only so 3 or 4 people total were lost. Tough loss right as the International Council of Air Shows convention gets going.

#4 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2022-11-12 06:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Ouch. I rode in a Confederate Air Force B-25 at an air show once. Hopefully there were no passengers on this one.

#3 | Posted by REDIAL

A friend's dad was a pilot who flew B-17's out of England during WWII. He'd attend all the reunions.

Several years ago, as my friend who was there told me, he shed a couple of silent tears when he crawled inside a restored B-17 in England and took a short ride at 90 years old. Brought back a lot of memories.

Nazi's would take shots at them as they were on their glide path over the English channel moving slowly. One night, his plane took fire and did his best landing on the water about a mile offshore. Though there were injuries, he and all of his crew survived and bobbed in the water for some time.

When they saw a light coming towards them, they assumed it was a NAZI sub come to finish them off. Instead, they happily discovered it was a couple of Brits who'd rowed a boat out to them.

When it arrived, my friend's dad told everyone else to get in first. His flak jacket was waterlogged and he was so weak he couldn't climb in the boat. One of the gents who rowed out grabbed his jacket and held him as they rowed the mile or so back to the beach, saving his life.

At that convention where he took a ride in the B-17, an elderly man approached him, saw his name tag, and said, "you may not remember me, but I remember you.

It was the man who'd held onto his jacket and saved the B-17's crew as well as his own life. Both of them in their 90's at the time.

#5 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2022-11-12 06:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

crawled inside a restored B-17

I did that at a ground display. I'd thought they were a lot bigger.

#6 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-11-12 06:16 PM | Reply

That P-63 f-ed up big time.

#7 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-11-12 07:46 PM | Reply

"I'd thought they were a lot bigger."

As I recall, a single F-4 Phantom II has 3x the payload of a B-17.

#8 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-11-12 07:56 PM | Reply

That P-63 f-ed up big time.

Timing was definitely off. Looked like there was a lot going on there at the time.

#9 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-11-12 07:58 PM | Reply

That P-63 f-ed up big time.

Low wing aircraft, I doubt the P-63 even saw the B-17. I am not sure of the time of things. Or what video you saw. But this was the best PoV of the timing of things.

I don't know the maneuver but if you have watched the Blues sometimes a single plane does a maneuver in behind the group and then chases the group to fly in formation on the next pass.

This is a good video showing that problem.

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#10 | Posted by oneironaut at 2022-11-12 08:20 PM | Reply

We're not talking about Russian "pilots" here, bonehead.

#11 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-11-12 08:26 PM | Reply

As a former Air Traffic Controller, that was hard to watch.

I hate Air Shows.

#12 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2022-11-12 10:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Tragic. Neither one of them knew it was coming.

And because they augured in in a second, the pilots and crew never knew what happened and didn't have to suffer.

#13 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2022-11-13 04:25 AM | Reply

Oh the humanity!

#14 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-11-13 11:29 AM | Reply

Investigation underway over midair crash at Dallas air show
abcnews.go.com

...Authorities say six people were killed in a collision between two vintage military aircraft at a Dallas air show...

The crash came three years after the crash of a bomber in Connecticut that killed seven, and amid ongoing concern about the safety of air shows involving older warplanes. The company that owned the planes flying in the Wings Over Dallas show has had other crashes in its more than 60-year history.

The crash claimed six lives, Dallas County Judge Clay Jenkins tweeted Sunday, citing the county medical examiner. Authorities are continuing to work to identify the victims, he said. Dallas Fire-Rescue told The Dallas Morning News there were no reports of injuries on the ground....


#15 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-11-13 04:09 PM | Reply

Why does our "culture" require weapons of war to fly around at times of peace? Why is risking lives entertainment?

#16 | Posted by Brennnn at 2022-11-13 07:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Bren,

Why is reading about it entertainment?

#17 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-11-13 09:53 PM | Reply

Bren,

Why is reading about a crash where people died interesting?

#18 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-11-13 09:57 PM | Reply

Shut up moron.

#19 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-11-13 10:53 PM | Reply

Why does our "culture" require weapons of war to fly around at times of peace? Why is risking lives entertainment?

#16 | POSTED BY BRENNNN AT 2022-11-13 07:52 PM | FLAG:

Flying museums? Those bastards.

#20 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2022-11-14 07:41 AM | Reply

en.wikipedia.org

#21 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-11-14 11:44 AM | Reply

en.wikipedia.org
#21 | POSTED BY LEGALLYYOURDEAD AT 2022-11-14 11:44 AM | REPLY

That needs an update. The driver of the jet truck Shockwave was killed earlier this year too during a show.

It's an industry where you meet somebody and they may be dead next year. Last time I had a booth at the International Council of Airshows Convention the guy running the Bob Hoover Foundation setup next to me was a test pilot that has bailed out 3 times and crashed a few more. He said he was lucky he still had feet after the last one. The guy across from me was an OV-10 Bronco act.. a quick glance at him showed that he had clearly been on fire before. I met the Snowbird officer that died 6 months later.

Much safer over here in the Support Services.

#22 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2022-11-14 12:54 PM | Reply

Live by the sword, die by the sword.

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-11-14 12:55 PM | Reply

Gravity is undefeated.

#24 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-11-14 01:19 PM | Reply

Wiki reports the P-63 was rejected by the USAAF because it was inferior to the P-51. My dad was a bombardier on a B-17--9.5 missions, one ME-109, 18 months a guest of the Germans, in Stalag Luft 1. He said his plane could take a lot of pounding, but not like that in the air show...

#25 | Posted by catdog at 2022-11-14 03:42 PM | Reply

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