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Thursday, November 17, 2022

The House select committee investigating the January 6, 2021, insurrection, is interviewing Robert Engel, the lead agent in former President Donald Trump's motorcade on the day of the US Capitol attack, two sources tell CNN.

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Why does it take so long to get to the truth?

#1 | Posted by wolfdog at 2022-11-17 04:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If you're in Soviet Russia, you never get to the truth.

#2 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-11-17 04:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Why does it take so long to get to the truth?
#1 | POSTED BY WOLFDOG

Here's an example of why:
What was your previous username?

#3 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-11-17 04:25 PM | Reply

What was your previous username?

#3 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2022-11-17 04:25 PM

You only ask these questions to conservative posters.

The moron in #2 is also a sock puppet.

#4 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2022-11-17 04:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"You only ask these questions to conservative posters."

Oh?
Wolfdog says he's a Liberal Democrat.
drudge.com
Are you calling Wolfdog a liar? Hey, so am I!

#5 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-11-17 04:55 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#4 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

How'd that "Red Tsunami" work out for you, Chucklehead? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

#6 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-11-17 05:00 PM | Reply

BTW you have zero idea who I am and it scares you silly.

#7 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-11-17 05:01 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

BTW you have zero idea who I am and it scares you silly.

#7 | POSTED BY LEGALLYYOURDEAD AT 2022-11-17 05:01 PM

You're right that I don't know who you are and I really don't give a rat turd.

I do know that you proved you posted here previously.

You also proved that you are a slimy racist - so there's that.

Whatever it takes to keep the numbers up, by all means go with it.

#8 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2022-11-17 05:31 PM | Reply

How'd that "Red Tsunami" work out for you, Chucklehead? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

#6 | POSTED BY LEGALLYYOURDEAD AT 2022-11-17 05:00 PM | REPLY

All the people I voted for won - so there's that too.

#9 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2022-11-17 05:32 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Why does it take so long to get to the truth?

#1 | Posted by wolfdog

Why do innocent people take the 5th and threaten others that they'd better not testify?

#10 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-11-17 05:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

You only ask these questions to conservative posters.

The moron in #2 is also a sock puppet.

#4 | Posted by lfthndthrds

Liberal posters dont say things that are so stupid they have to hide behind new usernames.

#11 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-11-17 05:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Liberal posters dont say things that are so stupid they have to hide behind new usernames.

#11 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2022-11-17 05:37 PM

Follow #2 and watch.

#12 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2022-11-17 05:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What are conservatives going to do if it turns out trump really did attack the driver in a vain attempt to lead his fascist insurrection?

Can they even admit to themselves he planned to murder democracy not to mention people?

#13 | Posted by Tor at 2022-11-17 05:54 PM | Reply

Follow #2 and watch.

#12 | Posted by lfthndthrds

Ive been watching for years. Time after time its always conservatives who hide under new usernames. Sometimes they even pose as liberals saying insane things so that they can pretend liberals are insane.

#14 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-11-17 06:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

Why does it take so long to get to the truth?
#1 | POSTED BY WOLFDOG

Perhaps it's because the Secret Service deleted all their text messages from January 6.
Perhaps you'd like to call that act an Obstruction of Justice.

#15 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-11-17 06:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 7

#8 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

You mad, bro? You sound mad.

#16 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-11-17 07:55 PM | Reply

So what did Engel say and why isn't the committee telling us? I don't get why Cassidy Hutchinson was permitted to testify to hearsay (what Ornato told her Engel told him) when the primary witness, Engel was available. That would never be allowed in a courtroom. The story she told, that Engel had to tell him to let go of the steering wheel, didn't make sense. I don't see how it would be physically possible for Trump to reach the steering wheel from the back seat of the "Beast".

I'm not making excuses for a trumps behavior. My issue is the way the hearings were conducted , more like a circus than a courtroom, doesn't give me much confidence in their "investigation"

#17 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2022-11-18 03:43 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

I don't see how it would be physically possible for Trump to reach the steering wheel from the back seat of the "Beast".

According to reports, Trump wasn't riding in the Beast on January 6:

Several widespread posts on Facebook showed an image of Trump riding in the back-row seat of a presidential limousine commonly referred to as "the Beast," far from the driver. The posts suggested that Trump was riding in the same limousine on Jan. 6 and therefore could not have reached for the steering wheel. (Hutchinson repeatedly referred to "the Beast" as she testified before the committee.)

But Trump did not take the presidential limousine pictured in the Facebook posts as he departed his rally at the White House Ellipse. Trump was in an SUV that day, a Secret Service spokesperson confirmed to PolitiFact.

A C-SPAN video of Trump's speech at the rally--which the House Jan. 6 select committee showed during Hutchinson's testimony--shows the presidential motorcade leaving the location. All the vehicles were SUVs.


www.politifact.com

#18 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-11-18 06:07 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

...Why does it take so long to get to the truth?
#1 | Posted by wolfdog

Try asking the folks who are fighting their subpoenas.

#19 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2022-11-18 07:18 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Thanks Gal, that adds some context, but even in a Secret Service SUV (full sized) , I can't see how it is possibleTo actually reach the steering wheel from the back seat.

What I think is that the story as first told was an exaggeration which may have grown by the time Cassidy repeated it. This is exactly why hearsay is inadmissible. We should have heard Engels testimony in the matter, not hers.

I have disdain for ALL Congressional investigations, regardless of subject or party. They are entirely political in nature and follow no rules. It's theater, mostly comprised of members listening to their own voices, berating witnesses rather than listening to them.

Law enforcement and the US Attorney are tasked with identifying and prosecuting those responsible for Jan 6. Congress is authorized to conduct investigations for the limited purpose of addressing need for legislation. In this case and so many others, they go way, way, past that purpose.

#20 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2022-11-18 08:29 AM | Reply

"Thanks Gal, that adds some context, but even in a Secret Service SUV (full sized) , I can't see how it is possibleTo actually reach the steering wheel from the back seat."

Hutchinson's testimony was that Trump reached for the wheel, and Engel told him to take his hand off the wheel:

Tony described him as being irate. The president said something to the effect of I'm the ---- president, take me up to the Capitol now, to which Bobby responded, sir, we have to go back to the West Wing. The president reached up towards the front of the vehicle to grab at the steering wheel. Mr. Engel grabbed his arm, said, sir, you need to take your hand off the steering wheel.

We're going back to the West Wing. We're not going to the Capitol. Mr. Trump then used his free hand to lunge towards Bobby Engel. And Mr.--when Mr. Ornato had recounted this story to me, he had motioned towards his clavicles.

www.npr.org

I think the whole steering wheel grab contraversy is a distraction from the central point, which no one has contradicted that I'm aware of: Trump wanted to go with the protesters to the Capitol and was irate when he was told no.

#21 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-11-18 08:47 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

From Time magazine:

"In the fall, the committee plans to release a written report which will include some findings that won't be covered in any of the hearings. The panel is looking for a professional writer who can turn that document into a narrative thriller, much like the 9/11 Commission Report, which quickly became a best-seller.

Members of the committee have likened the hearings to a Netflix series, told in multiple parts. But with more crucial details coming to light, the series may end up being significantly longer than the committee originally envisioned.

"These are like the Watergate hearings for the streaming era," says Norm Eisen, a Brookings Institute senior fellow who served as special counsel for the House's first impeachment of Trump. "Because what they've recognized is that you need to tell a compelling story."

#22 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2022-11-18 02:13 PM | Reply

Do you think the attempted overthrow of a free and fair election is not a compelling story?

#23 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-11-18 04:08 PM | Reply

"Thanks Gal, that adds some context, but even in a Secret Service SUV (full sized) , I can't see how it is possibleTo actually reach the steering wheel from the back seat."

Are you serious?

#24 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-11-18 04:09 PM | Reply

"Thanks Gal, that adds some context, but even in a Secret Service SUV (full sized) , I can't see how it is possibleTo actually reach the steering wheel from the back seat."

You get up off of the seat and lean over the front seat. Duh.

#25 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2022-11-18 05:30 PM | Reply

What are conservatives going to do if it turns out trump really did attempt to attack the driver in a vain attempt to lead his fascist insurrection?

Can they even admit to themselves he planned to murder democracy not to mention people?

#26 | Posted by Tor at 2022-11-18 06:04 PM | Reply

if it turns out trump really did attempt to attack the driver

An image of that fat ---- attacking a Secret Service agent just won't form in my mind.

#27 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-11-18 06:15 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

The point is Engel and Ornato both testified (prior to Cassidy) and were never asked about the alleged wheel grabbing incident, Instead they called Cassidy to testify that it occurred, despite the fact that she wasn't present, and her only knowledge of the incident came from a story Ornato allegedly told her. After Cassidy testified, Ornato and Engel said they were prepared to testify that the wheel grab incident didn't happen at all , but the committee didn't take further testimony from them. So. Here we are months later, the committee has reinterviewed Engel, but won't reveal what he said.

It's really a trivial matter, but the way this one incident was handled destroys the credibility of the investigative process. There was no real effort to discern the truth.

#28 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2022-11-18 08:28 PM | Reply

So if the committee has "no comment" it confirms that Hutchinson's testimony was BS. But at least she got some $ from the Dems for lying.

#29 | Posted by fishpaw at 2022-11-18 09:57 PM | Reply

The Congressional investigation is not a criminal investigation. They cannot convict anyone of a crime, therefore "due process" is only an issue if a witness says something incriminating, and then the witnesses have 5th Amendment protection. What they can do is fact finding to determine if legislative action is required (to write new laws) in order to prevent a reoccurrence of Jan 6.

#30 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2022-11-18 10:08 PM | Reply

If those two testified first and didn't mention the attempted wheel grabbing incident, the committee couldn't have asked them about it.

#31 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-11-18 10:08 PM | Reply

BTW, do you have a link that talks about Engel and Ornato testifying under oath to the committee before Hutchinson did?

#32 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-11-18 10:20 PM | Reply

do you have a link that talks about Engel and Ornato testifying under oath

I didn't see much other than the business about them "losing" all their text messages.

#33 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-11-18 10:52 PM | Reply

Gal,,
I'll try to find a link, I saw many references that said they testified BEFORE Cassidy. As far as them not being asked because the committee didn't know to ask them, that doesn't fly. it is apparent that Cassidy had been previously interviewed and the committee already knew what she was going to say before her sworn testimony, the allegations about the wheel grab were not a surprise, they cmertainly had the opportunity to ask Engel the same questions.

I'm not suggesting that Cassidy was untruthful in any way, just that she had no actual knowledge of what happened in the SUV, so it was inappropriate to present her testimony on the matter.

#34 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2022-11-19 12:16 AM | Reply

Ornato met with January 6 committee twice:

www.cnn.com

#35 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-11-19 12:24 AM | Reply

From the article at the top of the thread

"Ornato and Engel both testified before the committee before Hutchinson."

Also, it's not clear whether Ornato was in the SUV ... it doesn't make sense that he would be, in which case Cassidy' account was THIRD hand. Only Engel and the driver are actual witnesses.

#36 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2022-11-19 12:56 AM | Reply

Shut the ---- up.

#37 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-11-19 07:16 PM | Reply

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