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TALLAHASSEE, Fla. " A federal judge on Thursday halted a key piece of the "Stop-WOKE" Act touted by Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis, blocking state officials from enforcing what he called a "positively dystopian" policy restricting how lessons on race and gender can be taught in colleges and universities.

The 138-page order from Chief U.S. District Judge Mark Walker is being heralded as a major win for campus free speech by the groups who challenged the state.

"'It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen,' and the powers in charge of Florida's public university system have declared the State has unfettered authority to muzzle its professors in the name of freedom,'" Walker wrote, citing George Orwell's novel "1984."

In his ruling Thursday, Walker determined those policies violate First Amendment free speech protections along with due-process rights in the 14th Amendment on college campuses.

"The law officially bans professors from expressing disfavored viewpoints in university classrooms while permitting unfettered expression of the opposite viewpoints," wrote Walker.

"Defendants argue that, under this Act, professors enjoy academic freedom' so long as they express only those viewpoints of which the State approves. This is positively dystopian."

#1 | Posted by Corky at 2022-11-17 08:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"Among other concepts restricted in public schools, the law banned teaching the idea that people are "privileged or oppressed" solely because of their race, national origin, or sex. The act also restricted teaching that a person's race, national origin, or sex can predispose the person to biases, "whether consciously or unconsciously."

wow.
You can't teach American history in Florida any more, at least not in grade school.

Seriously, how do they teach Manifest Destiny under this law?
Do you just ignore that? Do Florida history books not mention it any more?

#2 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-11-17 09:38 PM | Reply

"positively dystopian"

The world Republicants dream of.

#3 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-11-17 09:52 PM | Reply

They shouldn't teach things for which there is no proof as if they were facts.

#4 | Posted by visitor_ at 2022-11-17 11:03 PM | Reply

You mean like voter fraud?

#5 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-11-17 11:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

This makes sense at the K-12 level. Trying to impose this at the university level is over-reach and the judge is right IMO.

#6 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-11-18 12:59 AM | Reply

This statute should have been called the MAGAt Snowflake Bill, because it was designed to protect MAGAt kids from getting their fee-fees hurt.

#7 | Posted by anton at 2022-11-18 05:21 AM | Reply

They shouldn't teach things for which there is no proof as if they were facts.

Unfortunately for TrumpAHumps, the Earth isn't flat, racism exists and vaccines work.

#8 | Posted by zarnon at 2022-11-18 05:58 AM | Reply

#9

And slavery was bad and the confederacy sucked.

#9 | Posted by anton at 2022-11-18 06:06 AM | Reply

#8, duh.

#10 | Posted by anton at 2022-11-18 06:06 AM | Reply

"This makes sense at the K-12 level" #6 Bellringer...

Really? I would say K-6 at most. You should want Middle Schoolers
to start to question and explore what it means to think 'as an adult'
instead of staying 'mental children'. But then again your a GOPer.
And GOPers must 'coddle the white little childrens'...

Tell me though, is a child just supposed to be dropped off at the
'doorstep of adulthood' still thinking, reasoning, and problem solving
like a child? No bad news ever?! Only happy smiley face Jesus land?!

And we wonder why younger generations seem less ready for the world than
their less coddled parents...

#11 | Posted by earthmuse at 2022-11-18 06:25 AM | Reply

This makes sense at the K-12 level.

That is completely insane.
Absolutely detached from reality.
It's also a great example of the problem and where the problem actually lies.

#12 | Posted by YAV at 2022-11-18 07:44 AM | Reply

There is a huge difference between teaching about slavery and Jim Crow in Social Studies and teaching impressionable white children that they are irredeemable oppressors and teaching minority children (Asians excluded, of course) that they are oppressed and have no chance in life unless they overthrow the yoke of the white man. Indoctrinating children to hate each other on the basis of skin color is evil.

#13 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-11-18 09:31 AM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

Indoctrinating children to hate each other on the basis of skin color is evil.

#13 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Where exactly do you think this happens?

Your mental state, and that of many others, makes them believe that evil must occur in any social space they cannot see. In this case, classrooms.

#14 | Posted by Zed at 2022-11-18 09:40 AM | Reply

Yep, your ilk are certifiable. The really bad news is your side found media empires and an echo chamber to feed you the lies you embrace because it makes your feel right. That flame of hate is so warming. It has to be true.

Your beliefs make those politicians and magnates even more rich and powerful. The expense to others is inconsequential. Collateral damage.

#15 | Posted by YAV at 2022-11-18 09:45 AM | Reply

If Jeff didn't have his fantasies about the ebil libruls indoctrinating children and teaching the white ones to hate themselves or that they're not the gender they think they are he'd just find someone/something else to hate. Just like any modern day republican.

#16 | Posted by YAV at 2022-11-18 09:54 AM | Reply

#13 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Don't know where it happens? Can't say where it happens? Won't say where it happens?

Then I guess your dark imagination is free to do whatever it wants.

#17 | Posted by Zed at 2022-11-18 09:56 AM | Reply

"Indoctrinating children to hate each other on the basis of skin color is evil."
#13 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

That's what parents do. Children aren't born racist.

#18 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-11-18 10:04 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"This makes sense at the K-12 level"

No it doesn't.
We were taught Manifest Destiny in Grade 6.
We were taught Social Darwinism around Grade 8.
We watched the film of the concentration camp being liberated in Grade 8.

Kids need to know that stuff.

Kids need to know the very real role racism plays in American history and world history.

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-11-18 10:21 AM | Reply

"Indoctrinating children to hate each other on the basis of skin color is evil."

Hey --------.

Hiding from children the fact that White American children were indoctrinated to hate Black American children is evil.

#20 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-11-18 10:37 AM | Reply

Hey --------.
Hiding from children the fact that White American children were indoctrinated to hate Black American children is evil.

#20 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2022-11-18 10:37 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

Yes, For example, talking about anti-miscegenation laws, and their repeal, and whey their repeal was a just and sane thing to do, might make little MAGAts in Social Studies class feel badly. So, we gotta cancel it.

You built that, Trumpers .... you brave haters of "Cancel Culture." Don't let your white children read Loving v. Virginia, or they will hate themselves. *audible eye roll*

#21 | Posted by anton at 2022-11-18 11:01 AM | Reply

Don't tell white kids how white parents reacted when schools got de-segregated!

JeffJ, you should ask your parents how their parents reacted when schools got de-segregated.

You might learn some things.

#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-11-18 11:05 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Indoctrinating children to hate each other on the basis of skin color is evil.

#13 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Where exactly do you think this happens?

In his head. And on Fixed News.

Lots of theories but absolutely no evidence.

#23 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-11-18 11:21 AM | Reply

Our country's history of racist action has been whitewashed way too much. We need to teach kids the unvarnished truth.

#24 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2022-11-18 11:36 AM | Reply

professors enjoy academic freedom' so long as they express only those viewpoints of which the State approves. This is positively dystopian."

This is the current GOP in a nutshell.

It's why they call the Dems tyrants all the time. It's normalizing the tyranny they're hoping to force on us.

#25 | Posted by jpw at 2022-11-18 11:50 AM | Reply

Where exactly do you think this happens?

He thinks it happens everywhere.

He has two examples constantly pushed by The New Republic to prove it!

#26 | Posted by jpw at 2022-11-18 11:53 AM | Reply

"Our country's history of racist action has been whitewashed way too much. We need to teach kids the unvarnished truth.

#24 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR AT 2022-11-18 11:36 AM"

Teaching about this country's racist past, especially if done objectively, is totally fine. Telling white kids that they are oppressors and need to loathe themselves and telling minority kids that they are repressed by their white classmates has nothing to do with teaching about this country's racist past.

#27 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-11-18 02:21 PM | Reply

Telling white kids that they are oppressors

#27 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER AT 2022-11-18 02:21 PM | REPLY

Yeah, sure. You were going to tell us where this happens?

#28 | Posted by Zed at 2022-11-18 02:27 PM | Reply

27 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER AT

You people huddle around campfires late at night and tell stories to scare one another about Liberals and Black people.

As long as you do that, you are credulous marks. You will be manipulated. You obviously have been manipulated.

#29 | Posted by Zed at 2022-11-18 02:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Some school districts have gone all in on the Ibram X Kendi and Robin D'Angelo tenets of CRT into their teaching.

Take a gander:

doe.virginia.gov

This issue is likely what propelled Youngkin (sounds Chinese) to victory.

#30 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-11-18 02:33 PM | Reply

"Telling white kids that they are oppressors"

That's not even the point of CRT, and it's not happening.

Your problem is when we tell white kids that our culture oppresses minorities.

You just can't get those words out without spinning it to hell and back.

#31 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-11-18 02:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Teaching about this country's racist past, especially if done objectively, is totally fine. Telling white kids that they are oppressors and need to loathe themselves and telling minority kids that they are repressed by their white classmates has nothing to do with teaching about this country's racist past.

#27 | Posted by BellRinger

What about telling kids that systemic racism has created greater obstacles and challenges for one race than another? That's simply a fact republican dont want your kids to hear.

#32 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-11-18 02:41 PM | Reply

The way the left frames it, things are worse for minorities now than during Jim Crow.

It's ridiculous, which is why I sometimes call out the BS.

#33 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-11-18 02:46 PM | Reply

Telling white kids that they are oppressors and need to loathe themselves and telling minority kids that they are repressed by their white classmates

Is that actually happening anywhere? If it is, i highly doubt it is deserving of the net as wide as what DeSantis cast, and is likely localized to one employee and can be resolved as a local matter.

Righties love "local control" except half the time when the locality does something that offends their frail sensibilities.

#34 | Posted by JOE at 2022-11-18 02:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#30 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

You didn't show squat.

Doesn't it hurt to have your hysteria run on such fumes?

#35 | Posted by Zed at 2022-11-18 02:52 PM | Reply

30 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Do you know the number of conspiracies the Right has insisted corrupt our children, all taking place in the middle of the day in classrooms people walk in and out of all day?

#36 | Posted by Zed at 2022-11-18 02:58 PM | Reply

Some school districts have gone all in on the Ibram X Kendi and Robin D'Angelo tenets of CRT into their teaching.
Take a gander:
doe.virginia.gov
This issue is likely what propelled Youngkin (sounds Chinese) to victory.

#30 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER AT 2022-11-18 02:33 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Yep. You can use his CRT tipline and report all suspicious activity: www.usatoday.com

He should be proud. It's like something right out of the (sounds Chinese) Cultural Revolution.

#37 | Posted by anton at 2022-11-18 03:06 PM | Reply

"The way the left frames it, things are worse for minorities now than during Jim Crow."

Some things are worse for minorities now than during Jim Crow. FACT!

The way the right frames it, ending Jim Crow ended racism.

#38 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-11-18 03:08 PM | Reply

JeffJ: "Telling white kids that they are oppressors and need to loathe themselves"

JeffJ's link in #30: "The racial socialization of each member of modern society occurred without consent and doesn't make anyone a bad person."

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-11-18 03:10 PM | Reply

The way the left frames it, things are worse for minorities now than during Jim Crow.
It's ridiculous, which is why I sometimes call out the BS.

#33 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Lol... You had your other strawman called out and disproven, so you immediately try to construct a different strawman?

I know conservatives fall for these simple logical fallacies, but you look pretty silly thinking that liberals will fall for them as well.

#40 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2022-11-18 03:21 PM | Reply

The way the left frames it, things are worse for minorities now than during Jim Crow.
It's ridiculous, which is why I sometimes call out the BS.
#33 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Are you referring to lefty posters here on the DR? If so, who are you speaking about? Be specific.

#41 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2022-11-18 03:25 PM | Reply

Why blacks are worse off now than ever in U.S. history
Exclusive: Mychal Massie recalls the days when minorities 'embraced modernity'
By Mychal Massie
Published October 27, 2014 at 8:09pm
www.wnd.com

Naturally, he blames Affirmative Action and do-gooder Liberal Leninists:

"At the signing of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, 87 percent of black homes were married, two-parent homes, and 40 percent of blacks were business owners. But 50 years after the signing of the Civil Rights Act, 49 years after the introduction of the Great Society initiatives and 46 years after the introduction of race-based affirmative action, blacks disproportionately represent practically every undesirable category."

Anyway, it's funny to hear JeffJ deny it!

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-11-18 03:25 PM | Reply

The way the right frames it, ending Jim Crow ended systemic racism.
#38 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

FTFY!

The Right proudly declares they are discriminated against based upon race all the time. Hence, they know racism still exists, they just think they are the main target of it now.

#43 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2022-11-18 03:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#37 | POSTED BY ANTON

I'm pretty sure he shut the tip-line down because nobody used it.

#44 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2022-11-18 03:29 PM | Reply

The way the left frames it, things are worse for minorities now than during Jim Crow.

It's ridiculous, which is why I sometimes call out the BS.

#33 | Posted by BellRinger

Link?

You're just showing how brainwashed you are to believe whatever other fascists tell you about "the left".

#45 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-11-18 03:35 PM | Reply

#45 President Biden himself described Georgia's voting law as "Jim Eagle" (Eagle is a bigger and more formidable bird than a crow which was to suggest that Georgia's voting law is WORSE than Jim Crow).

That was from POTUS. Of course, Georgia's new voting law is less restrictive than blue enclaves like New York and Biden's home state of Delaware and during this midterm a record number of early votes were cast.

That is a recent and glaring example.

#46 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-11-18 03:48 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

From The New York Post's Editoral Page to JeffJ's eyes to JeffJ's fingers to the DR:
Sorry, Schumer (and MLB): Georgia's voting laws less restrictive than NY's
nypost.com

#47 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-11-18 03:54 PM | Reply

What Biden said about Jim Eagle:

Q Thank you very much, Mr. President. I want to go back to voting rights. And as Yamiche mentioned, Republican legislatures across the country are working to pass bills that would restrict voting, particularly, Democrats fear, impacting minority voters and young voters " the very people who helped to get you elected in November.

Are you worried that if you don't manage to pass voting rights legislation that your party is going to lose seats and possibly lose control of the House and the Senate in 2022?

THE PRESIDENT: What I'm worried about is how un-American this whole initiative is. It's sick. It's sick. Deciding in some states that you cannot bring water to people standing in line, waiting to vote; deciding that you're going to end voting at five o'clock when working people are just getting off work; deciding that there will be no absentee ballots under the most rigid circumstances.

It's all designed--and I'm going to spend my time doing three things: One, trying to figure out how to pass the legislation passed by the House, number one. Number two, educating the American public. The Republican voters I know find this despicable. Republican voters, the folks out in--outside this White House. I'm not talking about the elected officials; I'm talking about voters. Voters.

And so I am convinced that we'll be able to stop this because it is the most pernicious thing. This makes Jim Crow look like Jim Eagle. I mean, this is gigantic what they're trying to do, and it cannot be sustained.

I'm going to do everything in my power, along with my friends in the House and the Senate, to keep that from " from becoming the law.


www.whitehouse.gov

#48 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-11-18 04:16 PM | Reply

An impassioned President Joe Biden on Thursday condemned efforts in Republican-led state legislatures to pass bills making access to the ballot box more difficult, calling it "all by design" to suppress voters.

"What I'm worried about is how un-American this whole initiative is," Biden said during his first White House press conference. "It's sick. It's sick."

Biden singled out some of the most draconian of the more than 253 bills introduced in 43 states that would restrict access to voting. The tally is according to the nonpartisan Brennan Center for Justice, which is tracking the legislation.

"Deciding in some states that you cannot bring water to people standing in line waiting to vote?" Biden said. "Deciding that you're going to end voting at 5 o'clock when working people are just getting off work? Deciding that there will be no absentee ballots under the most rigid circumstances? It's all by design."

The Republican efforts are inspired largely by former President Donald Trump's false claims of widespread voter fraud in his election loss to Biden. Some bills filed in several states would reduce early voting hours, roll back absentee voting and end voting on Sundays. Democrats have alleged the legislation is aimed foremost at suppressing voters of color.

Biden predicted the efforts will be stopped "because it's the most pernicious thing."

"This makes Jim Crow look like Jim Eagle," he said. "I mean, this is gigantic, what they're trying to do. And it cannot be sustained."


www.usatoday.com

#49 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-11-18 04:21 PM | Reply

#45 President Biden himself described Georgia's voting law as "Jim Eagle" (Eagle is a bigger and more formidable bird than a crow which was to suggest that Georgia's voting law is WORSE than Jim Crow).

That was from POTUS. Of course, Georgia's new voting law is less restrictive than blue enclaves like New York and Biden's home state of Delaware and during this midterm a record number of early votes were cast.

That is a recent and glaring example.

#46 | Posted by BellRinger

It's a recent and glaring example of you making stuff up.
Saying voting their map is more gerrymandered than under jim crow is simply a fact.
But that's not what you said. YOu said the left tells blacks their LIVES are worse than under jim crow.
Still waiting on you to back up that horsecrap.

#50 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-11-18 04:34 PM | Reply

"Deciding in some states that you cannot bring water to people standing in line waiting to vote?" Biden said. "Deciding that you're going to end voting at 5 o'clock when working people are just getting off work? Deciding that there will be no absentee ballots under the most rigid circumstances? It's all by design."

^
JeffJ knows it's true.
That's why JeffJ isn't saying anything.

#51 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-11-18 05:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Go read some Ibrahim X Kendi. He's very influential on the left and you listen to him he makes it sound as if zero progress has been made and in some ways is actually worse.

#52 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-11-18 09:41 PM | Reply

The problem with your citation, Jeff, is it's stupid. Utterly and completely stupid. A Republican that ran on banning CRT appoints a superintendent (Jillian Balow) from Wyoming that believes CRT is a threat and being taught, and he gives her a mission to turn everything over and root it out - and what she finds and presents isn't in any classroom. She comes up with 4 examples. Sorry and pathetic examples that should embarrass Balow. Did you actually go through the presentation?

There's nothing there when you put it in context with who is using the "examples."

Hell - even the last example (there were a whopping 4) explained exactly what CRT's role is in public education - and it's not being taught, but could be used to analyze system racism in education. BTW the definition of which was given in example A as just horrible was dead-nuts on.

#53 | Posted by YAV at 2022-11-18 10:41 PM | Reply

Jeff's now an expert on what's influential on "the left."

{yawn}

#54 | Posted by YAV at 2022-11-18 10:42 PM | Reply

Jeff's now an expert on what's influential on "the left."
{yawn}

POSTED BY YAV AT 2022-11-18 10:42 PM | REPLY

Jeff is a useless twit. What more need be said??

#55 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2022-11-18 11:12 PM | Reply

Ibrahim X Kendi was rated 15th most influential African American between 25 and 45 years old in 2019 by The Root, so there's that.

#56 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-11-18 11:35 PM | Reply

"Go read some Ibrahim X Kendi. He's very influential on the left and you listen to him he makes it sound as if zero progress has been made and in some ways is actually worse."

Yeah, and?
World Net Daily says the same thing.
Show us the numbers where things are better for blacks.

#57 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-11-19 12:54 AM | Reply

X. Kendi can actually write a coherent paragraph. Idiots like JeffJ, not so much. Pobrecito stupido.

#58 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-11-19 02:15 AM | Reply

So I'm supposed to buy into Jeff's nonsense because of Kendi's drive and gift for laying it out as it is offends The Right? The Right is horrified that The Left and The Middle might actually "get" that he has some legitimate views? I think Kendi's a bit too much on some things from my own perspective, which is the way it should be. I grew up when people pushed the edges - that's how you grow. That's how you improve. You listen, you evaluate, you incorporate or reject.

We have that on steroids with the Right these days. I have no issue whatsoever with pushback from other voices to their hate. It's overdue.

Let me give you one simple example: What is the single biggest issue for Republican voters this past election? The one above all others?

Immigration.

Yep. Those brown folks. Not inflation. Not Hunter's laptop. Not Biden.

And you know what goes right along with "immigration" is the fear of losing White Culture to The Other - even if The Other were brought here, exploited, profited off of. They still need to be kept "in their place."

#59 | Posted by YAV at 2022-11-19 09:21 AM | Reply

P.S.: The right doesn't want views presented that might upset their delicate White sensibilities. They need to SILENCE those voices.

#60 | Posted by YAV at 2022-11-19 09:23 AM | Reply

Go read some Ibrahim X Kendi. He's very influential on the left
#52 | Posted by BellRinger

Lie. I'm on the left and dont know a single person who has ever mentioned his name.

#61 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-11-19 03:25 PM | Reply

Go read some Ibrahim X Kendi. He's very influential on the left

#52 | Posted by BellRinger

Who the hell is he? I've never heard of him either.

Must be some obscure right wing blogger mentioned the dude's name and it made it around the world of TRump quicker than Trump can lie when asked a question.

#62 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2022-11-19 04:10 PM | Reply

"Go read some Ibrahim X Kendi. He's very influential on the left"

Who?

Never heard of him until this moment.

Who, exactly, is telling you he's "very influential"...?

#63 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-11-19 04:30 PM | Reply

Never heard of him until this moment.

The call him, "Baba Yaga"...

#64 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-11-19 04:53 PM | Reply

Oh dear.

#66 | Posted by YAV at 2022-11-19 09:45 PM | Reply

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