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Monday, November 21, 2022

After a mass shooter entered Club Q in Colorado Springs and began firing, an unarmed Army vet who was in the club with his wife and daughter tackled the gunman, took his handgun and began pummeling him with it. "I just went into combat mode," said Richard M. Fierro. "I just know I have to kill this guy before he kills us." Anderson Lee Aldrich, 22, is being held on charges of killing 5 and injuring 18 others at the gay nightclub where a drag show was taking place.

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Impossible.

The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

The NRA told me and they're the premier gun violence advocacy organization in Russia and the United States.

#1 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-11-21 04:49 PM | Reply

Is it too much to ask that there be footage of this army vet pistol whipping the gunman while yelling "f*** you I'm fabulous"?

#2 | Posted by Tor at 2022-11-21 04:53 PM | Reply

Get this man the Presidential Medal of Freedom, stat!

Richard Fierro is a true American hero.

#3 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-11-21 05:07 PM | Reply

I love it that a drag queen assisted that hero. it will always make the shooter's shame greater.

#4 | Posted by danni at 2022-11-21 05:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

And here's how the police treat a hero who placed his own life in danger to protect others:

As the fight continued, he said, he yelled for other club patrons to help him. A man grabbed the rifle and moved it away to safety. A drag dancer stomped on the gunman with her high heels. The whole time, Mr. Fierro said, he kept pummeling the shooter's head while the two men screamed obscenities at each other.

When police arrived a few minutes later, the gunman was no longer struggling, Mr. Fierro said, and he feared that he had killed him. The suspect in the shooting was taken into custody and remained hospitalized on Monday afternoon.

Mr. Fierro said he was covered in blood when the police arrived, and officers tackled him and put him in handcuffs. He said he was held in a police car for more than an hour, and screamed and pleaded to be let go so that he could see what had happened to his family.

Mr. Fierro, who owns a local brewery, said that on combat deployments in the Army, he had been shot at and had seen roadside bombs shred trucks in his platoon. His record shows that he was awarded the Bronze Star twice. The experiences of combat still haunt him, he said, and the psychological and physical toll of the deployments were why he left the Army.

He said he never thought he would have to deal with that kind of violence at home.

"I was done with war," he said.

What the actual F?!?!!!! The police cuffed him and held him for an HOUR after he saved countless lives? It doesn't take an hour to figure out that Fierro was the hero, not the criminal here. WTF is wrong with law enforcement in Colorado Springs?

#5 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-11-21 05:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

How much time you got?

#6 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-11-21 05:36 PM | Reply

I've got to ask: the man who Buffalo whipped the shooter was he just there on business?

#7 | Posted by Tor at 2022-11-21 05:45 PM | Reply

Here's the brewery Fierro owns with his wife.
www.atrevidabeerco.com

#8 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2022-11-21 05:55 PM | Reply

The police cuffed him and held him for an HOUR after he saved countless lives? It doesn't take an hour to figure out that Fierro was the hero, not the criminal here. WTF is wrong with law enforcement in Colorado Springs?
#5 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

Before they cut him lose they have to get his story, run his background and then among all the chaos identify witnesses that can verify his story. Possibly even reviewed security video if available. And they did that at a time when their top priorities were securing the scene, making sure any possible suspects were apprehended and getting help to those who needed.
I'm generally pretty critical of police but only taking an hour to clear him seems pretty fast to me.

#9 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2022-11-21 06:06 PM | Reply

I'm generally pretty critical of police but only taking an hour to clear him seems pretty fast to me.

Absolutely not, unless there's more to the details than written about in the story. Fierro wasn't the only one, he was among a group. There is no reporting that the others involved in subduing the shooter were cuffed and held, just him. I don't care what happened, those there in close proximity would all vouch for watching him stop the shooter. My ire isn't that he was detained, but that he was handcuffed and placed into a locked police car, especially after having just finished hand-to-hand combat with a murderer. He shouldn't have been denied finding out about his family either. Even if he was detained, at least one officer could have located his family and brought them to him so he'd know they were safe.

This was a lone shooter and Fierro was beating him to a bloody pulp with the shooter's handgun. If he'd been complicit in the attack he wouldn't have been using the gun to bludgeon the 6'6" assailant, he would have simply shot him. I'm sorry, I can think of no reason this man was held for as long as he was under the circumstances. He should have received medical attention, not get cuffed and detained. Everyone alive in that club potentially owes Fierro their lives. He never should have been treated like a criminal. Never.

#10 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-11-21 06:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Here is the Facebook post from their brewery the Fierro's own:

Unfortunately, we were all there when the shooter entered. It was absolute havoc. It was terrifying. Kassy broke her knee as she was running for cover. Our best friends were both shot multiple times. I bruised the right side of my body and Rich injured both his hands, knees and ankle as he apprehended the shooter. He was covered in blood. Everyone is recovering, thankfully. No one. NO ONE should ever have to witness bloodshed like this. With an incredibly heavy and broken heart we lost Raymond, who had been a part of our lives since our daughter was in high school. Raymond was Kassy's boyfriend. We are going to miss him and his bright smile so much. We are going through a lot of emotions as a family and as a brewery. The loss of lives and the injured are in our hearts. We are devastated and torn. We love our #lgbtq community and stand with them. This cowardly and despicable act of hate has no room in our lives or business. ---- HATE. It has left us and our community scarred but not broken. Much love to everyone.

www.facebook.com

Again, unless there's something very vital missing, Rich's treatment was beyond the pale. He should have been taken to the hospital or received medical treatment onsite, not held in cuffs, going crazy trying to figure out what happened to those he was there with.

#11 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-11-21 06:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

My only guess is the cops went in there and saw a guy covered in blood and assumed he was the shooter because he hadn't been shot and again had so much blood on him.

#12 | Posted by Tor at 2022-11-21 07:48 PM | Reply

#12

When the cops arrived Fierro was sitting on top of the 6'6" 300 lb man pounding on him with a handgun. They couldn't miss the body armor clad cretin since Fierro was directly on top of him and another patron was holding the rifle. READ the damn details and stop with the stupid speculation which has no basis in the reporting already released.

And again, there were others helping Fierro too, he wasn't the only one subduing the assailant. Unless there's more to the story than is being currently reported, there was ZERO need to cuff and detain the injured Fierro for more than an hour. N-o-n-e.

#13 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-11-21 07:53 PM | Reply

Tony,

I'm pretty critical of cops when they screw up but this isn't one of those instances.

Given the nature of the incident they had to do their due diligence and they did.

#14 | Posted by jpw at 2022-11-21 09:25 PM | Reply

We'll have to respectfully disagree JPW. Fierro should have been identified by everyone there immediately. He was injured himself, so why wouldn't he receive medical assistance even if he was temporarily detained? I understand the fog of war, but this man was on top of the murderer rendering him unconscious. Shooters shoot, they don't beat people.

Again, taking more than an hour to uncuff and release him is simple unconscionable. I understand tending to the injured and wounded, but when a man is crying to find out about the safety of his own family who're victims themselves, I simply refuse to see this as standard procedure.

The man was in shock himself and should have received immediate care even if he was cuffed while receiving it. If it turns out that he did receive care, then of course it makes the situation a little different. If I were one of the other witnesses I would have demanded that he be released immediately. He saved the lives of dozens. I simply refuse to believe that others weren't making this demand yet the police ignored them for over an hour.

They would have had to arrest me because I would not have stood for him being detained in the manner they chose to.

#15 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-11-21 10:11 PM | Reply

Just found this video interview of Fierro telling how he and others managed to subdue the killer: twitter.com

#16 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-11-21 11:11 PM | Reply

More reporting:

Minutes later, the first police officer arrived. "I was in the middle of a puddle of blood," Fierro said.

After handing off to the police, Fierro went to find his friends, both of whom had been shot and were being treated with tourniquets by first responders.

"I put her hand in his hand so they could be together," he said.

As other officers arrived, Fierro said, they treated him with suspicion. They interrupted him as he gave first aid to a friend, he said, and "dragged me out of there like I was the shooter." He said he was held in a police car for an hour before authorities released him to reunite with his wife and daughter. Police did not return calls seeking to confirm Fierro's account.

www.washingtonpost.com

This even makes it worse. The first responding police weren't the ones detaining Fierro, it was the Johnny-come-lately officers dragging him into cuffs as he was giving others first aid.

Am I really the only one who thinks that these police were in the wrong for how they treated Fierro after reading all the above details? Fierro "handed off" the assailant to the first police who arrived and started to help the injured and dying. Then later-arriving cops "dragged him out of there like (he) was the shooter." In what world is this acceptable and normal? Why was he treated as the criminal after other police already knew that he wasn't, and instead was the actual hero who saved countless lives?

#17 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-11-22 10:09 AM | Reply

So a few unarmed gay nightclubbers did what 300 armed cops wouldn't do in Uvalde?

Fantastic. Let's put gay nightclubbers in every school in America to keep kids safe.

#18 | Posted by Sycophant at 2022-11-22 10:18 AM | Reply

Cops rarely use common sense any more to assess situation.
Most love the power trip.

#19 | Posted by a_monson at 2022-11-22 11:04 AM | Reply

So a few unarmed gay nightclubbers did what 300 armed cops wouldn't do in Uvalde?

Fierro, the primary subduer, was there with his wife and daughter enjoying a drag show. Precisely the type of "groomer" the right wing has fomented so much hatred toward.

It must be quite difficult for rightwingers to choose between the incel ------- gunman they spend all their time encouraging and the combat veteran who took him down but happens to be an ally toward ------.

#20 | Posted by JOE at 2022-11-22 11:30 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

That was indeed an impressive take down. As a Marine vet I have had ingrained tendency to look down upon Army vets.

Never again. I take back everything I have ever said about them.

#21 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-11-22 11:59 AM | Reply

For those who haven't guessed I assumed the hero was gay. It is a gay nightclub that is to be expected.

That he went there for a friends performance totally makes sense.

He's also the first white guy with a man bun that didn't look like a complete dbag.

#22 | Posted by Tor at 2022-11-22 09:44 PM | Reply

#17 "Fierro said he was handcuffed and held briefly by police after the shooting, but he said that he does not blame them for that as police were still trying to determine what his role in the events were at the time. "

So apparently Fierro has forgiven the police officers who detained him. Maybe someday Tony will.

#23 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2022-11-23 02:09 AM | Reply

You only have to forgive people when they did something wrong, Miranda7.

Thanks for reading and understanding.

#24 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-11-23 02:14 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Title is misleading, I saw a video of the guy that stopped the shooter, he clearly has two arms.

#25 | Posted by visitor_ at 2022-11-23 12:19 PM | Reply

He's also the first white guy with a man bun that didn't look like a complete dbag.

#22 | POSTED BY TOR

Check out World Cup soccer. You will see a lot of them "man buns" that aren't on "dbags".

#26 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-11-23 12:41 PM | Reply

Am I really the only one who thinks that these police were in the wrong for how they treated Fierro after reading all the above details?

Yes.

#27 | Posted by boaz at 2022-11-23 02:13 PM | Reply

This even makes it worse. The first responding police weren't the ones detaining Fierro, it was the Johnny-come-lately officers dragging him into cuffs as he was giving others first aid.
Am I really the only one who thinks that these police were in the wrong for how they treated Fierro after reading all the above details? Fierro "handed off" the assailant to the first police who arrived and started to help the injured and dying. Then later-arriving cops "dragged him out of there like (he) was the shooter." In what world is this acceptable and normal? Why was he treated as the criminal after other police already knew that he wasn't, and instead was the actual hero who saved countless lives?

#17 | POSTED BY TONYROMA AT 2022-11-22 10:09 AM | FLAG:
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No Tony, what makes you wrong is that you ASSUMED the police acted improperly based on one sentence from Fierro's interview. Even Fierro himself didn't think they acted improperly, but I suppose you had more context than he did?

A scene like this is pure chaos on arrival. Dozens injured, several dead, sirens, screaming, crying, traumatized people, potentially hundreds of witnesses offering different accounts based on their locations. Some were in other areas or hiding when the shots were fired, and quite possible that at least one "witness" pointed out Fierro as the shooter, because he was the only person they saw holding a gun. Furthermore, by his own account, Fierro thought he beat Aldridge to death, and officers had to isolate him to conduct that separate homicide investigation, even if they knew his actions were heroic and justified.

Do you think you could wrap all that up in a hour?

#28 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2022-11-23 03:22 PM | Reply

"A scene like this is pure chaos on arrival."

Yeah. The police shouldn't add to the chaos.

But here you are, defending the police for adding to the chaos.

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-11-23 05:13 PM | Reply

"Why was he treated as the criminal after other police already knew that he wasn't,"

You are also assuming that the later arriving officers knew everything the first arriving officers knew. When a situation like this is unfolding, they can't hit the pause button on the remote control every five minutes to debrief and update first responders. As officers arrived most had to react based on what they saw and heard themselves. Those who arrived before them were busy stopping people from bleeding to death, loading people into ambulances, directing traffic so ambulances could get to and from hospital, collecting, separating, identifying and interviewing witnesses, Dealing with community members and families arriving on scene. Indeed, the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing, but in a situation like this you do the best you can with the intel you have.

Also realize that almost always, there are witnesses insisting there were multiple shooters, because traumatized people perceive stimuli in unexpected ways. Even without such witnesses, officers need to be alert to that possibility. Most nightclub violence stems from disputes and involves multiple parties. Having " THE shooter" in custody does not automatically remove all others from suspicion.

#30 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2022-11-23 08:28 PM | Reply

" Indeed, the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing, but in a situation like this you do the best you can with the intel you have."

It's all true.

But there's nothing wrong with acknowledging this particular facet of this incident did not play out well for anyone involved, and it doesn't seem like there's a particularly good reason why.

#31 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-11-23 08:43 PM | Reply

"Fierro was beating him to a bloody pulp with the shooter's handgun. If he'd been complicit in the attack he wouldn't have been using the gun to bludgeon the 6'6" assailant, he would have simply shot him. "
"Shooters shoot, they don't beat people."

More dangerous assumptions officers can't afford to make when they encounter an armed person.

First, Usually nightclub shootings stem from disputes and involve multiple combatants. It is reasonable for an arriving officer who sees an armed bloody man is TOL whipping another to suspect he is a potential combatant.

Second, Fierro himself said he was trying to KILL Aldridge to stop him from killing others. Fierro was a trained marksman and chose to beat him instead of shooting him. I'd guess because the gun was unfamiliar therefore potentially untrustworthy.

Third Shooters DO sometimes pistol whip people, particularly when they run out of ammo. Your litmus test is absurd.

"The man was in shock himself and should have received immediate care even if he was cuffed while receiving it. If it turns out that he did receive care, then of course it makes the situation a little different. "

More assumptions, Fierro suffered "bruising to his side". Even if he had asked for medical attention (which he didn't) He would have been triaged into next week. There were 21 full ambulances and officers were transporting critical patients in patrol cars and pickup truck beds.

He was not in medical shock. He did mention he has PTSD and went into "combat mode" and has PTSD, so he may have exhibited behaviors that were concerning. Securing him in a patrol car was the right thing to do.

"If I were one of the other witnesses I would have demanded that he be released immediately. He saved the lives of dozens. I simply refuse to believe that others weren't making this demand yet the police ignored them for over an hour"

Fierro has given many interviews. He was detained for "what seemed like an hour" and also "briefly". He also said the fight (with Aldrich) seemed like more than an hour ( it was a few minutes) so his descriptions of time aren't literal.

Fierro is a hero deserving of our highest respect and honor. Also heroic were the other patrons who assisted him, and countless others who helped the injured.

Lastly, the first responders who ran towards the sound of gunshots, rather than away from them, were also heroic But they were just doing their jobs and don't expect your recognition. What they do expect (and deserve) is to be given the benefit of the doubt, while the facts roll in not smeared based on biased baseless assumptions as Tony has done.

Tony, you are quick to call out others for misinformed opinions. Time for you to man up and admit you were wrong.

#32 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2022-11-24 09:03 AM | Reply

Miranda,

I'm not wrong, you are. You cherry-picked information without acknowledging the facts. 1. The police who initially showed up and found Fierro on top of the assailant immediately took the suspect into custody, since Fierro "handed off" Aldrich to the police.

THEN, "Fierro went to find his friends, both of whom had been shot and were being treated with tourniquets by first responders. "I put her hand in his hand so they could be together," he said.

Fierro was attending to the wounded, he was NOT IN CUSTODY nor being detained by the first police responders who had the shooter in custody along with the weapons. Fierro DID NOT have a weapon when the other police arrived, so again, you've invented something that didn't happen. There were no gunshots to run to because all the shooting had ended BEFORE the first police arrived. Again, you have no idea of what you're talking about!

Then, "As other officers arrived, Fierro said, they treated him with suspicion. They interrupted him as he gave first aid to a friend, he said, and "dragged me out of there like I was the shooter." He said he was held in a police car for an hour before authorities released him to reunite with his wife and daughter.

During that hour plus, "He said he was held in a police car for more than an hour, and screamed and pleaded to be let go so that he could see what had happened to his family.

I tire of you following me around and besmirching what I state with clarity and without ambiguity. From the very first post I've also added this: Again, unless there's something very vital missing, Rich's treatment was beyond the pale. I gave the police allowances yet so far, this has been their response to what Fierro claimed happened to him: "Police did not return calls seeking to confirm Fierro's account.

You quote speculation, I quote the participant himself. It is you who need to take a step back, and reread this entire thread. There is still no justification for late arriving police to see Fierro attending to the wounded and THEN decide to tackle and detain him. They could have asked him to step away and question him in whatever manner they chose, but why the need for handcuffs and isolated detainment? There was no need for that level of force against Fierro, period. I have never stated that the police didn't need to ask questions and ascertain what he just happened. My only point is that the time, way and manner they chose to detain Fierro was an abuse, full stop. It was unnecessary and only points to the lack of professionalism and training these police displayed by tearing a grieving father away from caring for his injured family and friends, treating him as a criminal after he'd just placed his own life on the line to save not only his family but also all those inside the club by taking his heroic actions.

And your impressions from his interviews are worth exactly zero. People have watches and clocks are ubiquitous. There is no indication that he wasn't aware of exactly how much time he was detained. You've simply made up your own scenario from your fertile imagination. As I stated before, I'm quoting the story as reported. You're inventing extenuating circumstances for which there is ZERO evidence that they ever happened.

#33 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-11-24 10:44 AM | Reply

Before I continue, I just read something for the very first time that changes things immensely: Fierro DID still have the handgun when the additional police arrived on the scene. More information:

When police arrived a few minutes later, the gunman was no longer struggling, Mr. Fierro said. Mr. Fierro said he feared that he had killed him.

Mr. Fierro was covered in blood. He got up and frantically lurched around in the dark, looking for his family. He spotted his friends on the floor. One had been shot several times in the chest and arm. Another had been shot in the leg.

As more police filed in, Mr. Fierro said he started yelling like he was back in combat. Casualties. Casualties. I need a medic here now. He yelled to the police that the scene was clear, the shooter was down, but people needed help. He said he took tourniquets from a young police officer and put them on his bleeding friends. He said he tried to speak calmly to them as he worked, telling them they would be OK.

He spied his wife and daughter on the edge of the room, and was about to go to them when he was tackled.

Officers rushing into the chaotic scene had spotted a blood-spattered man with a handgun, not knowing if he was a threat. They put him in handcuffs and locked him in the back of a police car for what seemed like more than an hour. He said he screamed and pleaded to be let go so that he could see his family.

Eventually, he was freed. www.nytimes.com

As I stated earlier, "Unless there's more to the story than is being currently reported, there was ZERO need to cuff and detain the injured Fierro for more than an hour. N-o-n-e" and there was more to the story than was initially reported which places everything into a different light. So be it.

I still think that it's fair to ask why the first cops and witnesses didn't vouch for Fierro long before an hour had to pass, but since he still was in possession of the hand gun his detainment was obviously justified.

#34 | Posted by tonyroma at 2022-11-24 11:06 AM | Reply

I can't believe I am going through this ridiculous back and forth with you the POINT is NEITHER you nor I have more than about 1% of "the facts" or context of the unfolding situation Only YOU are disparaging others based on poorly supported and biased ASSUMPTIONs you have made based on that 1%. That's a pretty ------ thing to do.

Saying, "unless there is more to the story than is being reported ... .." is NOT an excuse to disparage others, as you did over and over again in this thread.. There is ALWAYS more to the story than is being reported, especially one with hundreds of people involved. That is why decent people don't start making accusations before the facts are in.

Yes, much of what I posted WAS speculation, and clearly identified as such. As in "we don't really know what happened yet, there are a number of plausible explanations so let's wait and see before we pass judgement". This is my area of expertise, so those speculations were based on my training and experience.

"Before I continue, I just read something for the very first time that changes things immensely: Fierro DID still have the handgun when the additional police arrived on the scene. More information:"

Yeah Tony, I read that yesterday, but you told me I " invented it". I guess you owe me an apology. Just one more example of you calling me a liar. That gets a girl riled up.

"I tire of you following me around and besmirching what I state with clarity and without ambiguity."
You are a smart guy and not accustomed to being challenged. I respect your viewpoints, but when you are dead wrong, especially about something that matters to me (my profession), I'm gonna call you out on it.

Final note. Of course it is fair to ask questions. The investigation may in fact expose some police incompetence or improper action. It may also expose some really genuine acts of selfless heroism.

#35 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2022-11-24 03:01 PM | Reply

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