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Tuesday, November 22, 2022

Hurricane Ian killed at least 148 people in Florida, most of them in coastal communities where the danger of storm surge is well documented but not widely understood. Scores drowned as they fled on foot, while in their cars or after seawater swallowed their homes.

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...Scores drowned as they fled on foot, while in their cars or after seawater swallowed their homes. More than a dozen survived the flood itself but suffered life-threatening medical emergencies; by the time the storm finally allowed paramedics through, nine of them had died.

Ian was one of the deadliest hurricanes to hit the U.S. in the past 20 years.

Much of the catastrophic toll was foreseeable and preventable, an NBC News investigation found. The late September storm exposed shortcomings in how local governments communicate the risk posed by hurricanes, decide when to order evacuations and identify and help the most vulnerable residents.

Ian also illustrated the challenge of protecting densely populated waterfront communities from extreme weather worsened by climate change; thousands of coastal residents chose not to evacuate. Some said they didn't have enough warning, while others were unaware of the danger or lacked the resources to leave.

The investigation was based on a review of hundreds of death records, an examination of flood maps and interviews with survivors, victims' relatives, service providers, disaster preparedness experts and current and former public officials....



A bit of a lengthy read, with maps, charts and photos.

#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-11-22 12:35 PM | Reply

The flu kills more people.

Womp womp.

#2 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-11-22 12:35 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

And, majorly tangential...

Areas south of Buffalo, NY wound up with totals of snow accumulation from the weekend storn of seven feet.

I didn't want to start a whole new thread for that.

Hamburg and Orchard Park topped storm snow totals of 80+ inches
buffalonews.com

#3 | Posted by lamplighter at 2022-11-22 04:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Not once desantis gets done redefining what "death" means. Suddenly there will be no deaths due to climate change ever.

#4 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-11-22 05:41 PM | Reply

Thpse of us here in Fort Lauderdale jnorgw but for that grace of God (luck of the draw) there go I.

#5 | Posted by danni at 2022-11-22 05:54 PM | Reply

Yep, didn't take long for them to say how preventable all of this was. Idiocracy just continues to spread.

Also, in this day and age, if you even think for a second that smart people would believe someone doesn't know about a huge storm headed their way in a state that one always has to be prepared for such encounters, the problem isn't anyone else's. Even those who are incredibly unfortunate and have no electronic devices at all STILL know when a storm is coming. The only real issue we have is that we can't track them properly, even a span of 100 mile shift is a problem. But that's just technology. Maybe one day we will get there. But as far as being able to prevent deaths and destruction, to do so is directly proportional to the amount of preparation and care someone gives a storm...nothing else. There are exceptions such as people in hospitals and such, so that is what we should be doing is figuring out ways for those exceptions to be more dynamic and mobile. Everything else is just fluff pieces by bad journalists who can't come up with any relevant to report.

#6 | Posted by humtake at 2022-11-23 11:58 AM | Reply

where the danger of storm surge is well documented but not widely understood. Scores drowned as they fled on foot, while in their cars or after seawater swallowed their homes.

I'm sorry, but what?

Not well understood? It's understood quite well, and warnings were put out saying how high potential storm surge would be.

Other than those lacking resources to leave, there really isn't an excuse.

#7 | Posted by jpw at 2022-11-23 11:58 AM | Reply

The only real issue we have is that we can't track them properly

No, the real issue is over population of areas susceptible to hurricane land falls that is forcing a level of accuracy we don't have.

The wrecked places shouldn't get one cent of money to rebuild unless there are stipulations for massive upgrades in the technology used to build homes in flood/storm surge prone areas.

#8 | Posted by jpw at 2022-11-23 12:01 PM | Reply

Also, in this day and age, if you even think for a second that smart people would believe someone doesn't know about a huge storm headed their way in a state that one always has to be prepared for such encounters
#6 | Posted by humtake

By doing what? Moving their house?

#9 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-11-23 12:15 PM | Reply

"By doing what? Moving their house?"

If that is not a possibility, are you implying there are no other precautions or anything someone can do to ensure their own safety? So, because someone has a dwelling, they can't do anything when a hurricane comes. But, if you say that also, then you go against the entire premise of the article itself that does say things can be better. So, which is it, can we do better or are we stuck doing nothing because we have a house?

Oh, btw, I finally found my research I started many years ago. Thought I lost the file but was able to find it and updated it with the 2022 season numbers.

So, people still jump on the "climate change is creating more and stronger storms".

Here are the numbers by decade. I have them for every year but it would be too much to post here. These all come from the NOAA archives. You just have to spend the time to put it all together to make it ingestible (instead of reading headlines and accepting whatever they tell you).

Avg wind speeds by decade, ranked (now, this one does have an inherent flaw because one season could have one storm with 150mph winds but another season could have had 3 storms with 150 but the rest at 75, thus lowering the average). But it does tell a little story when combined with the second set of numbers.

1st 2000 105.7
2nd 1930 104.7
3rd 1890 102.3
4th 2010 101.2
5th 1870 100.25

In other words, 3 of the top 5 decades of deadliest winds belong to 1930s, 1890s, and 1870s...long before the climate change issue came up we have today (but, not ironically, some of these eras had their own climate change theories as well just like today).

Number of hurricanes by decade, ranked:
1st 1880 63
2nd 1950, 2010 60
3rd 2000 58
4th 1960 56
5th 1890 50

In other words, 4 of the top 6 decades by number of hurricanes belong to 1880 (as #1!), 1950t, 1960, and 1890. Again, long before the current climate change science.

When you graph all metrics for these categories, you will see that average number of storms since the 1870s has gone up by 5 every 10 years. The avg wind speed has gone up a whopping 2.2 mph.

As far as trends, the data does show that there is an increase in number of hurricanes by year since 1980. However, that still doesn't prove climate change is causing bigger and more frequent storms because there was also the same trend from 1900s to 1950s , and the increases are actually very similar between the two eras. In the 1st era (1900s-1950s), the average # per decade increased by 36.3. In the 1980s-2010s, the average is 51. So that does sound bad, except for the fact that the 1st era had 6 variables and the 2nd era had 4. We will need two more decades to determine if the trend is just repeating or if it is indicative of a problem.

That's what is called research. When you do it, you can form much more informed conclusions. Personally, I began this to prove that storms aren't getting worse. However, I was surprised to find out that they are getting worse and there is an increase in numbers. But, the increases are so small and the timeline is so short that there is no way to form any other conclusions about the effect of climate change. And there is DEFINITELY not enough to warrant spending billions, increasing prices so the little guys like me can't afford things, etc.

#10 | Posted by humtake at 2022-11-23 12:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"No, the real issue is over population of areas susceptible to hurricane land falls that is forcing a level of accuracy we don't have."

Can't argue there. But it also lends itself to skewing the numbers that journalists report by saying how this or that hurricane is the worst on record, when in reality it probably isn't if you go by percentages and populations.

#11 | Posted by humtake at 2022-11-23 12:39 PM | Reply

"By doing what? Moving their house?"

If that is not a possibility, are you implying there are no other precautions or anything someone can do to ensure their own safety?

#10 | Posted by humtake

I'm implying that there is no amount of preparation that is going to counteract the progression of climate change, other than burning less carbon.

#12 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-11-23 12:44 PM | Reply

"I'm implying that there is no amount of preparation that is going to counteract the progression of climate change, other than burning less carbon."

So people have to know all about climate change in order to prepare for a hurricane that will hit and leave in a few days' time?

#13 | Posted by humtake at 2022-11-23 12:46 PM | Reply

Damn, I guess all those preparations I have to do almost annually in Florida to prepare, and everything the news tells me to do to prepare, are just useless. We should all just do nothing.

#14 | Posted by humtake at 2022-11-23 12:47 PM | Reply

But, the increases are so small and the timeline is so short that there is no way to form any other conclusions about the effect of climate change. And there is DEFINITELY not enough to warrant spending billions, increasing prices so the little guys like me can't afford things, etc.

#10 | Posted by humtake

Yes, C02 is a greenhouse gas, and releasing more greenhouse gas traps more heat and moisture in the atmosphere, but you have no way to know what will happen when we release a bunch more CO2, because you're a willfully ignorant moron.

BTW since spending is such a concern for you, how much do you think it will cost to move all the world's coastal cities inland and relocate our farmland to siberia and canada?

#15 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-11-23 12:48 PM | Reply

"I'm implying that there is no amount of preparation that is going to counteract the progression of climate change, other than burning less carbon."

So people have to know all about climate change in order to prepare for a hurricane that will hit and leave in a few days' time?

#13 | Posted by humtake

People have to know about climate change to prepare for the hurricanes that will punish their kids and grandkids, and then vote accordingly so the fossil fuel puppet party can't block society from fighting climate change.

#16 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-11-23 12:49 PM | Reply

"Yes, C02 is a greenhouse gas, and releasing more greenhouse gas traps more heat and moisture in the atmosphere, but you have no way to know what will happen when we release a bunch more CO2, because you're a willfully ignorant moron."

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight...because science is 100% correct all the time and we should make every precaution possible regarding any conclusion ever made by science, regardless how those changes impact society as a whole, especially the very same communities Liberals like you say are already incapable of supporting themselves. If that were the case, why are you not gung-ho about a meteor defense system...science has proven we will be hit again so why aren't we preparing as diligently? Resorting to name-calling after being provided actual research shows your true colors.

"People have to know about climate change to prepare for the hurricanes that will punish their kids and grandkids, and then vote accordingly so the fossil fuel puppet party can't block society from fighting climate change."

What about pre-1970s when storms were increasing in power and in number? What about 1880? What about the thousands and millions of years prior to that? That's the thing. I'm not contesting anything, either, climate change is as real as ice ages. All I'm doing is showing the numbers we know today and I'm proving that making conclusions is not possible at this time. All we can do is figure out how to live with the theories we've created today to ensure whatever the data says is going to happen doesn't impact people negatively.

But some of you can't accept anything that doesn't meet your narrative. You can't accept anything that says, "Hmmm...maybe I should look at more perspectives and do my own research to figure things out to the best of my ability". In other words, I just proved my case every time I make the claim that people filled with partisan hate can't ever see beyond their own hate and accept that maybe, just maybe, things aren't as clear-cut as your media headlines herd you to think.

#17 | Posted by humtake at 2022-11-23 12:55 PM | Reply

Number of hurricanes by decade, ranked:
1st 1880 63
2nd 1950, 2010 60
3rd 2000 58
4th 1960 56
5th 1890 50


You are not known for your accuracy and we know you are not an climate expert so how about a link to where you got your "facts"??

And was that worldwide or just the US??

A quick google search came up with nothing close to those figures.

"The 1990s were the most active decade for the United States, with a total of 31 hurricanes affecting the nation. By contrast, the least active decade was the 1860s and 1970s, each with a total of only 15 hurricanes affecting the United States."

en.m.wikipedia.org

In Brief:
Due to global warming, global climate models predict hurricanes will likely cause more intense rainfall and have an increased coastal flood risk due to higher storm surge caused by rising seas. Additionally, the global frequency of storms may decrease or remain unchanged, but hurricanes that form are more likely to become intense.

On average, there have been more storms, stronger hurricanes, and an increase in hurricanes that rapidly intensify. Thus far, most of these increases are from natural climate variations. However, one recent study suggests that the latest increase in the proportion of North Atlantic hurricanes undergoing rapid intensification is a bit too large to be explained by natural variability alone. Jun 1, 2022

climate.nasa.gov

#18 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-11-23 12:56 PM | Reply

"Yes, C02 is a greenhouse gas, and releasing more greenhouse gas traps more heat and moisture in the atmosphere, but you have no way to know what will happen when we release a bunch more CO2, because you're a willfully ignorant moron."

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight...because science is 100% correct all the time and we should make every precaution possible regarding any conclusion ever made by science, regardless how those changes impact society as a whole
#17 | Posted by humtake

Science gets more right every day. Unlike the party that first called climate change a hoax, then said it was real but not manmade, then said it's manmade but can't be stopped, then said it could be stopped but it's too expensive, and now says we shouldnt even want to stop it because it keeps people from freezing to death. Your party's favorite leaders literally say that.

We are in this situation because we listened to your side and let you block mitigation efforts for decades instead of taking action.

No matter how many times you're proven wrong, you keep talking like everyone should listen to you.

#19 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-11-23 01:11 PM | Reply

@#19 ... No matter how many times you're proven wrong ...

The alias admits that his analysis is incorrect --- "Avg wind speeds by decade, ranked (now, this one does have an inherent flaw ..." --- but goes on to base his whole argument on the flawed analysis .

Related...

Climate Change Is Making Hurricanes Stronger, Researchers Find (2021)
www.nytimes.com

...Hurricanes have become stronger worldwide during the past four decades, an analysis of observational data shows, supporting what theory and computer models have long suggested: climate change is making these storms more intense and destructive.

The analysis, of satellite images dating to 1979, shows that warming has increased the likelihood of a hurricane developing into a major one of Category 3 or higher, with sustained winds greater than 110 miles an hour, by about 8 percent a decade.

"The trend is there and it is real," said James P. Kossin, a researcher with the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and lead author of the study, published Monday in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. "There's this remarkable building of this body of evidence that we're making these storms more deleterious."

Kerry Emanuel, a hurricane expert at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology who was not involved in the study, said the findings were "much in line with what's expected."

"When you see things going up all over the globe like that, the ducks are kind of in order," he said.

But in the North Atlantic, where hurricane activity has increased in recent decades and storms have caused tens of billions of dollars of damage in the United States and the Caribbean, factors other than climate change may have played more of a role in the increase in intensity, Dr. Emanuel said....



#20 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-11-23 02:00 PM | Reply

Thankfully Desantis called that special legislative session before the hurricane to take care of the 60,000 home owners left without insurance by the bankruptcy of an insurer.

What do you mean it was highjacked by Desantis to pass anti woke legislation and they did nothing about the 60,000 home owners who now have no coverage if their home was damaged or lost due to the hurricane?

#21 | Posted by Sycophant at 2022-11-23 11:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Oh shut up.

IAN was no more lethal than any other Hurricane. There was barely any hurricane activity and you liberals are acting like we had a hurricane every week.

That's why no one is listening to you anymore..

#22 | Posted by boaz at 2022-11-24 12:38 PM | Reply

You were the idiot claiming it was nothing when it hit.
You got your ass handed to you about how out of touch and stupid you were about it.
I guess you've forgotten how big an idiot you made yourself out to be.

#23 | Posted by YAV at 2022-11-24 12:43 PM | Reply

#21 - Yep. That's DeSantis and the state's GOP. He owns them all - and now DeSantis has a supermajority. You want to see a state go down the toilet? Keep your eye on Florida.

What a -------- my home state has become. Teachers are terrified and it's going to take a lot more than one judge's ruling to fix it. I'm talking teachers from K through all the Universities.

#24 | Posted by YAV at 2022-11-24 12:46 PM | Reply

That's why no one is listening to you anymore..

#22 | Posted by boaz

No one listened to liberals about iraq, trump, climate change, gun control, trickle down economics, the drug war... and we were right about all of them.

#25 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-11-24 01:02 PM | Reply

Everyone knows when a hurricane is coming, so unlike decades ago, it is no surprise. Two hit The Keys while I resided there. Stayed aboard for a Force 1, but we vacated for a Force 2 [when we returned my sloop was fine]. It is on the people who decided to stay and ride it out, bless their souls.

Even here in Louisanna as well well as Florida, there are those do evacuate till a 'cane' passes over[we had tow back-to-back a few years ago, and there are those who elect to stay [i.e. take their chances].

#26 | Posted by MSgt at 2022-11-24 04:55 PM | Reply

Some are forced to stay based upon their economic circumstances.

#27 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2022-11-24 04:56 PM | Reply

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