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Tuesday, November 22, 2022

The Supreme Court on Tuesday declined to block the Treasury Department from turning over several years of former President Donald Trump's tax returns to the House Ways and Means Committee, clearing the way for Democrats to obtain the records weeks before Republicans take control of the House in January.

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...The latest order from the full court dissolves an interim stay issued by Chief Justice John Roberts, who oversees emergency matters arising from the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, that kept the House panel from obtaining Trump's records. There were no noted dissents.

The dispute between Trump and the Ways and Means Committee arose from an April 2019 request from Chairman Richard Neal to the Internal Revenue Service for Trump's individual tax records and those of eight of his business entities for 2013 to 2018. Neal, a Massachusetts Democrat, made the request under a federal law that allows the Ways and Means chairman to request certain individuals' tax returns.

Neal is seeking the returns to determine whether Trump and his companies are complying with tax laws, and to oversee whether the IRS audit of the former president was conducted "fully and appropriately."...


#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-11-22 03:05 PM | Reply

That sound of stampeding cloven hooves that you hear is the Supreme Court running to jump aboard the DeSantis bandwagon

#2 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2022-11-22 03:19 PM | Reply

I realize SCOTUS is just a transparently partisan superlegislature at this point, but the fact that there were no noted dissents really calls into question what basis Roberts could have possibly had to issue an interim stay in the first place.

#3 | Posted by JOE at 2022-11-22 03:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

>what basis Roberts could have possibly had to issue an interim stay in the first place.

Midterms?

#4 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2022-11-22 03:39 PM | Reply

@#3,#4

My thought was that Chief Justice Roberts wanted to issue the stay while there was some behind the scenes discussions about how to proceed.

Midterms may have entered into it, but I am not convinced of that.

#5 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-11-22 04:03 PM | Reply

I think that growing pressure on Merrivk Garland and utter contempt for the SC is beginning to have an effect on the court's willingness to grant Trump any more delaying tactics on the many investigations ongoing. we want to see some charges followed by trials amd convictions. Trump committed a coup against the lawful government of the United States, it is time to bring him to justice. The world is watching this fiasco in disbelief. We need to demonstrate to them that the U.S. still operates under the rule of law with no exceptions for people like Trump. The pressure is going to continue to grow for investigating committees, the DOJ and the courts. This slow walk topwards injustice has got to end and if Merrick Garland can't or won't do it then bring in a new AG who will.

#6 | Posted by danni at 2022-11-22 04:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Alito and Thomas are complicit in the coup attempt.

#7 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-11-22 04:50 PM | Reply

@#6 ... beginning to have an effect on the court's willingness to grant Trump any more delaying tactics ...

I'm not so sure of that just yet.

Fmr Pres Trump just asked a judge to unseal the affidavit used for the MaL search.

Trump asks judge to unseal Mar-a-Lago search warrant affidavit
www.nbcnews.com

And who is the judge involved?

Why of course, Judge Cannon.

The Judge that put into place the Special Master to, imo, delay things (an appointment that supremely backfired, but that's not the point)

US court appears inclined to end special master review of Trump papers
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/nov/22/trump-special-master-review-doj-mar-a-lago-documents

...The US court of appeals for the 11th circuit appeared inclined on Tuesday to agree with the justice department to potentially curtail the special master review of documents the FBI seized from Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago residence for potential privilege protections.

The result of the hearing is consequential for Trump: should he lose, it could mark the end of the special master process on which he has relied to delay, and gain more insight into, the investigation surrounding his potential mishandling of national security information.

The three-judge panel " led by chief appellate judge William Pryor " did not issue a ruling from the bench in Atlanta, Georgia, but appeared skeptical that Trump should get special treatment and be able to undercut a criminal investigation because of his status as a former president....




#8 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-11-22 05:01 PM | Reply

I can't help but wonder though, if the Democrats had held onto the House, would John Roberts had allowed this hold to be lifted, a hold which he himself had imposed. That being said, I'm sure that there will be members of the Senate who'll also gain access to these tax records.

OCU

#9 | Posted by OCUser at 2022-11-22 05:09 PM | Reply

so, i'm sure the IRS has looked over these Tax Returns several times and have found nothing or they would have Trump charged with something.

just another nothing burger from the Left

#10 | Posted by Maverick at 2022-11-22 06:11 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Yeah sure. That's why the Fat Loser went to THE SUPREME COURT to hide them. Don't you fools ever tire of looking like mouth-breathing imbeciles?

#11 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-11-22 06:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

@#10 . ... i'm sure the IRS has looked over these Tax Returns several times and have found nothing or they would have Trump charged with something. ...

But would the IRS have the ability to compare the data on those rerturns with the data that the Congressional Committee has gathered from other sources?

All the IRS would see is what fmr Pres Trump has submitted to them. Why do you seem to automatically think his statements are correct?


What evidence do you have for that stance?

Yer up...

#12 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-11-22 06:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

That being said, I'm sure that there will be members of the Senate who'll also gain access to these tax records.

That's an interesting thought. Do House and Senate committees of the same jurisdiction generally share information? If so, that would be an easy way to prevent House republicans from putting the kabosh on the review of the those tax docs. In any event, I suspect congressional staffers and lawyers are going to be burning the midnight oil between the time that they receive the docs the end of the year reviewing Trump's tax returns.

Also, the indictment by the NY AG contained a lot of information that the committee could use to guide their investigation. The AG also made criminal referrals to the NYC DA and the SDNY. These referrals could also serve as a roadmap for the House committee investigation. I suspect that the House WILL make a criminal referral to the DOJ before the year is out.

#13 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2022-11-22 07:18 PM | Reply

My thought was that Chief Justice Roberts wanted to issue the stay while there was some behind the scenes discussions about how to proceed.

Well sure. But while i'm not a pro at Supreme Court procedure, most stays in federal court are premised on some likelihood of success on the merits. A dissent-free outcome is not consistent with that.

Midterms may have entered into it, but I am not convinced of that.

They certainly shouldn't have, but again, that is in a normal world and not the hyperpartisan SCOTUS we actually have.

#14 | Posted by JOE at 2022-11-22 07:24 PM | Reply

@#14 ... most stays in federal court are premised on some likelihood of success on the merits ...

Yup

But I may add, merits as viewed by the Court.

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#15 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-11-22 07:30 PM | Reply

"The three-judge panel " led by chief appellate judge William Pryor " did not issue a ruling from the bench in Atlanta, Georgia, but appeared skeptical that Trump should get special treatment and be able to undercut a criminal investigation because of his status as a former president...."dent is preposterous. There is np law

The deference Trump has received because he is an ex-Ptresi, he basically breaks the law with impunity and that needs to rnd and he needs to be treated aswhat ge is...a privste citizen with no mpre or less immunity than anyone else.eing a failed one term Presidebt does not entitle him to immunity from prosecution.

#16 | Posted by danni at 2022-11-22 10:10 PM | Reply

@#18 ... but appeared skeptical that Trump should get special treatment ...

An interesting wording in an opinion. Thx for citing that.

And now for something completely different...

Have you ever heard Pink Floyd done reggae-style?

Well the Easy Star All-Stars did it.

To wit...

Easy Star All-Stars - Any Colour You Like
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:)


#17 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-11-22 10:24 PM | Reply

"i'm sure the IRS has looked over these Tax Returns several times and have found nothing or they would have Trump charged with something."

Trump complained he got audited every year. The only way that's legal is if they find suspicious, errant numbers again and again.

#18 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-11-23 12:32 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

But I may add, merits as viewed by the Court.

Apparently not, given the dissent-free outcome.

What i am saying is that it's exceedingly rare for a Court to issue a stay and then decide unanimously against the applicant. Typically there is at least some merits argument that at least some of the justices agree with.

#19 | Posted by JOE at 2022-11-23 08:14 AM | Reply

just another nothing burger from the Left

#10 | POSTED BY MAVERICK

Yup. Nothing to see here! Trumpy knows his tax code so they will never find anything he did wrong.

Because Trumpy understands "the tax laws better than almost anyone, which is why he is the one who can truly "fix" them."

"Nobody knows more about taxes than I do " and income than I do."

"I think nobody knows more about taxes than I do, maybe in the history of the world. Nobody knows more about taxes."

So remember when they find problems that he clearly said,

"By the way, just so you know, I know more formulas, I know more about tax abatements, I know more about taxes than any human being that God ever created,"

#20 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-11-23 11:05 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

More "process is the punishment"/"show me the man and we'll find the crime" fishing from Democrat Fascists. As a private citizen his returns should remain private.

#21 | Posted by visitor_ at 2022-11-23 09:50 PM | Reply

This wasn't even close.
This is the law.
Trump is required to comply with the law.
Period.

You're a victim even when all of Trump's Supreme Court appointments said "oh hell no" to him.

Grow the ---- up already.

#22 | Posted by YAV at 2022-11-23 09:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Then everyone's tax returns should be made public.

#23 | Posted by visitor_ at 2022-11-23 10:29 PM | Reply

VISITOR

"Then everyone's tax returns should be made public."

Now you're just being impatient.

Weaponizing the IRS as a means to instill fear among the public-at-large is on the GOP's bucket list when they finally manage to pull off a successful overthrow of the government. They're really hoping that 2024 will be their "third time is a charm" omen.

BTW, you must really learn to control your enthusiasm. Heart palpitations are never a good sign.

#24 | Posted by Twinpac at 2022-11-23 11:30 PM | Reply

It's completely reasonable for the leader of the nation and many others in a position of power and influence to have to disclose their taxes, holdings, etc.

Anyone who argues against this is just naive.

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-11-23 11:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

They may willingly disclose their returns. This is a fishing expedition.

#26 | Posted by visitor_ at 2022-11-23 11:41 PM | Reply

This is a fishing expedition.

The Buffoon has made that argument in a half dozen or more courts regarding his tax returns. The Buffoon lost that argument in every court including the USSC not once but twice.

Then everyone's tax returns should be made public.

The Buffoon's tax information is to be released to a committee of Congress. Unless the Buffoon consents otherwise, the information may only be released to the committee in a closed executive session.

Here's the statute on the privacy of tax information, scroll down to subsection (f) on disclosures to Congress. casetext.com

Before you go there, releasing the information to the committee does not permit them to make the information public in violation of subsection (a).

#27 | Posted by et_al at 2022-11-24 12:34 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I don't see any reason to believe Trump is audited every year. That's just something Trump said.

#28 | Posted by RJSquirrel at 2022-11-24 04:19 AM | Reply

The tax returns should have been released years ago. The President is not an ordinary citizen. He is Commander-In-Chief! Tax returns can reveal where loyalty is. Does he, for example, put loyalty to another country above USA interests?

#29 | Posted by wolfdog at 2022-11-24 11:19 AM | Reply

WOLFDOG

"Does he, for example, put loyalty to another country above USA interests?"

LOL ~ Do you really think illegal dark money Trump received from funneled Russian sources would show up on his tax returns?

How naive are you?

#30 | Posted by Twinpac at 2022-11-24 12:00 PM | Reply

If Trump's tax returns made him look good, or even merely respectable, they would have been in downloadable PDF files from the Trump White House website during his entire presidency and he would have signed an Executive Order making them mandatory reading.

#31 | Posted by anton at 2022-11-24 12:57 PM | Reply

ANTON

That's the long way around. All he really had to do was give the IRS permission.

The fact that Trump filed a threatening lawsuit to prevent the IRS from complying with a request for his tax returns made it obvious he was hiding something he didn't want anybody to know.

Which is probably 100% true.

BTW, your PDF suggestions isn't practical. Even those most innocent of tax fraud would never expose their tax returns to be picked apart by amateurs.

#32 | Posted by Twinpac at 2022-11-25 12:54 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

That's the long way around. All he really had to do was give the IRS permission.

The fact that Trump filed a threatening lawsuit to prevent the IRS from complying with a request for his tax returns made it obvious he was hiding something he didn't want anybody to know.

TWINPAC

There it is in a nutshell.

#33 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2022-11-25 07:55 AM | Reply

#32

That's hilarious. If Trump's tax returns were "beautiful" and made him look "really rich" they would be publicly available.
Many politicians volunteer the release of their own returns. I wouldn't vote for anyone for a position above City Council who didn't.

He also said he would release his returns. He didn't. But he did brag about his super amazing they are.

Part of his 2012 return (as I recall that was the year) magically "leaked". As it turns out, he retorted a large sum of income that year. See, how rich he is? Convenient, right?

I think you probably know this.

#34 | Posted by anton at 2022-11-25 09:40 AM | Reply

Typos. Uggh.

#35 | Posted by anton at 2022-11-25 09:41 AM | Reply

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