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Friday, November 25, 2022

Elon Musk has said Twitter will provide a "general amnesty" to suspended accounts starting next week after running a poll on whether to do so for users who had not broken the law or engaged in egregious spam.

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If liberals can release hardened criminals back onto the streets, surely twitterers who exercise their freedom of speech can be reinstated.

#1 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-11-25 09:20 AM | Reply

Every day you seem to become more and more of a stupid f**k than the day before. Are you working on that, or is it naturally happening?

#2 | Posted by YAV at 2022-11-25 09:53 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

twitterers who exercise their freedom of speech can be reinstated.

#1 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

The Nazis are being re-instated, BILL.

Happy?

#3 | Posted by Zed at 2022-11-25 11:24 AM | Reply

@#1 ... twitterers who exercise their freedom of speech...

Freedom of Speech relates to government suppression of speech.

Twitter is a private company, as such Freedom of Speech does not seem to apply.

Any freedom of speech that a Twitter user has is granted by the Twitter Terms of Service, Twitter users must stay within the guardrails of the ToS.

Has Mr Musk modified the Twitter Terms of Service to allow the types of speech that had previoulsy been disallowed?

#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-11-25 12:53 PM | Reply

Related...

Musk breaks promise to form Twitter moderation panel, blames activists
arstechnica.com

...When "Chief Twit" Elon Musk launched a poll to decide whether to reinstate Donald Trump's Twitter account, many wondered what happened to Musk's plan to form a "widely diverse" content moderation council to help him weigh any decisions to reverse permabans. He had announced that plan after meeting with civil rights groups earlier this month but had never mentioned it since. It took four days of Trump not tweeting before Musk finally provided an update on that oversight council that he never formed.

In a tweet seemingly blaming activists for Twitter's advertising woes, Musk claimed that he had only promised to form the council on the condition that activists promised to stop pushing advertisers to boycott his platform.

"A large coalition of political/social activist groups agreed not to try to kill Twitter by starving us of advertising revenue if I agreed to this condition," Musk tweeted. "They broke the deal."

Some activists who attended the meeting tweeted to confirm that they never made such a deal with Musk, including Free Press co-CEO Jessica Gonzalez, who helped drive a #StopToxicTwitter coalition pressuring Twitter's top 20 advertisers to boycott the platform.

"Not sure who Musk is talking about here, but I met with him a few weeks ago with civil rights leaders, and I also co-lead the #StopToxicTwitter coalition that is calling on advertisers to pause ads until he rights the ship," Gonzalez tweeted. "I never made any such deal."

NAACP President Derrick Johnson backed Gonzalez in his own tweet denying activists made a deal with Musk.

"We would never make such a deal," Johnson tweeted. "Democracy always comes first. The decisions being made at Twitter are dangerous, and it is our duty, as it has been since our founding, to speak out against threats to our democracy. Hate speech and violent conspiracies can have no safe harbor."

When Ars previously reported on the meeting between Musk and activists, it was immediately clear that Gonzalez planned to continue promoting the #StopToxicTwitter campaign. Gonzalez said at that time that Musk's promises, including forming a council to review content decisions, were "just the beginning of a long process" to hold Twitter accountable for upholding community standards.

Johnson didn't immediately respond to a request for comment, but Gonzalez told Ars that Musk is using activists as a scapegoat for his own poor decision-making regarding brand safety....


#5 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-11-25 12:55 PM | Reply

Lamp,

Zuckerberg or Musk can do what they well please on their site.

What I was saying is liberals are willing to release convicted criminals back to the street and people on social networks are within the scope of the law. If convicted criminals can have their freedom reinstated, twitterers deserve nothing less.

Of course it's up to Musk to permit it and apparently that's what he is considering.

And liberals should just deal with it but I know they won't.

However, do you really think Musk will permit a free for all?

I would hope he won't be targeting conservatives or liberals but will focus on behavior and what is appropriate.

#6 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2022-11-25 01:06 PM | Reply

I would hope he (Musk) won't be targeting conservatives or liberals but will focus on behavior and what is appropriate.

#6 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

He's MAGA, BILL.

But keep hoping.

#7 | Posted by Zed at 2022-11-25 01:16 PM | Reply

He's MAGA, BILL.
But keep hoping.

POSTED BY ZED AT 2022-11-25 01:16 PM | REPLY

Bill Johnson is MAGA too. That's why he is covering for Musk.

#8 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2022-11-25 01:19 PM | Reply

@#6 ... Zuckerberg or Musk can do what they well please on their site. ...

Exactly. They put up their Terms of Service that those who sign up agree to follow.

... What I was saying is liberals are willing to release convicted criminals back to the street and people on social networks are within the scope of the law. If convicted criminals can have their freedom reinstated, twitterers deserve nothing less. ...

I knew that is what your comment said, but I ignored the deflective false equivalence.

... Of course it's up to Musk to permit it and apparently that's what he is considering. And liberals should just deal with it but I know they won't. ...

More "liberals" monsters hiding under your bed, eh?

It is the advertisers that Mr Musk needs for the life blood of Twitter. I

If the advertisers do not want their products associated with what Mr Musk calls free speech, that, too, is their decision to make.

All the deflections attempts of your comments aside, it is the advertisers that Mr Musk has to court..



#9 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-11-25 01:21 PM | Reply

@#6 ... I would hope he won't be targeting conservatives or liberals but will focus on behavior and what is appropriate. ...

btw, that is the way the "old" Twitter worked.

The Terms of Service laid out acceptable behavior. Those who were not able to obey the rules, i.e., the Terms of Service, were suspended or booted.

The problem for conservatives is that they seemed to have difficulty following the rules that they had agreed to follow when they signed up.



#10 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-11-25 01:25 PM | Reply

Those accounts were banned for a reason. That reason won't change in letting them back in. Instead it will create a cesspool, near no one wants to be at.

I have my suspicions that the poll was for PR use and the decision had already been made long before the poll was introduced. The poll was just the way to justify it. The Trump amnesty was much the same. Musk had already given it serious credibility to it happening long before that poll was run.

Good luck to the remaining Twitter users. I have a feeling it's not going to be pretty after the latest amnesty.

#11 | Posted by BBQ at 2022-11-25 02:07 PM | Reply

Those accounts were banned for a reason. That reason won't change in letting them back in. Instead it will create a cesspool, near no one wants to be at.

The question is will the association spill over onto Musk's other businesses as some are predicting?:

Please feel free to associate Tesla and other Elon Musk-related companies with the ideologies of Milo Yiannopoulos, Nick Fuentes, David Duke, Stefan Molyneux and Jared Taylor.

He's bringing white supremacy back in a big way and wants everyone to know about it:

twitter.com

#12 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-11-25 02:39 PM | Reply

Tangentially related...

@#12 ... He's bringing white supremacy back in a big way ...

Trump talks with white nationalist Nick Fuentes at Mar-a-Lago dinner
www.axios.com

...Former President Trump dined and conversed with white nationalist Nick Fuentes and rapper Ye, formerly known as Kanye West, at his Mar-a-Lago resort on Tuesday night, according to two sources familiar with the matter.

Why it matters: Trump's direct engagement with a man labeled a "white supremacist" by the Justice Department, one week after declaring his 2024 candidacy, is likely to draw renewed outrage over the former president's embrace of extremists.

- - - Fuentes, who frequently promotes racist and anti-Semitic conspiracy theories, had been spotted with Ye at Mar-a-Lago, but reports erroneously suggested he did not have dinner with the former president.

What they're saying: "Kanye West very much wanted to visit Mar-a-Lago. Our dinner meeting was intended to be Kanye and me only, but he arrived with a guest whom I had never met and knew nothing about," Trump said in a statement....

...


#13 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-11-25 02:51 PM | Reply

@#12

I like how Mr Musk uses the phrase, "vox populi, vox deus" without, apparently understanding its meaning.

https://nerdculture.de/@rickmans/109375328422215384

...You might have seen somebody using the proverb Vox Populi, Vox Dei. What was missing was the context in which it was used:

Nec audiendi qui solent dicere, Vox populi, vox Dei, quum tumultuositas vulgi semper insaniae proxima sit.

In case you do not speak Latin, it means in English:

And those people should not be listened to who keep saying the voice of the people is the voice of God since the riotousness of the crowd is always very close to madness....


#14 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-11-25 03:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#13

This is who Donald Trump just had dinner with: "This is going to be the most racist, sexist, anti-semitic, holocaust-denying, speech in all of Dallas this weekend!" Elon Musk is also lifting his permanent twitter ban because free speech.

twitter.com

#15 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2022-11-25 03:14 PM | Reply

Space Karen is on a roll.

Twitter has lost 50 of its top 100 advertisers since Elon Musk took over, report says

www.npr.org

#16 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2022-11-25 03:16 PM | Reply

@#16

As I mentioned in #9... "... it is the advertisers that Mr Musk has to court....."

#17 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-11-25 03:26 PM | Reply

If liberals can release hardened criminals back onto the streets ...

Bill "Liar" Johnson

You're so full of it. Not only a false equivalency, but a lying equivalency.

Why do you have to lie to make a point?

#18 | Posted by memyselfini at 2022-11-25 05:11 PM | Reply

Islamic State Supporters on Twitter: How is New' Twitter Handling an Old Problem?
www.hstoday.us

...Lost in what can only be described as one of the most tumultuous weeks at Twitter, was how extremists have been waging an impersonation insurgency.

Elon Musk has launched a war on"impersonation." While most of those in his sights are parodying his tweets as the majority shareholder of the world's most popular microblogging site " namely famous comedians likeKathy Griffin and Sarah Silverman, a journalist and former editor of theTexas Monthly, Christopher Hooks, or the formerMinnesota Vikings kicker and writer Chris Kluwe"there are others on the platform we should really be worried about.

In the three weeks since Musk became Twitter's owner andsole board member, he has engaged inhyperbole about "freeing the bird,"andplotted a $20, and thenrevised $8subscription model for verified accounts, which was immediately leveraged by trolls and activists parodying former presidents, and mocking multinational corporations and their leadership.Lost in what can only be described as one of the most tumultuous weeks at Twitter, was how extremists have been waging an impersonation insurgency on the same platform....

Read more at the Global Network on Extremism and Technology[1]...


===============
1 - gnet-research.org

#19 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-11-25 06:14 PM | Reply

At this point, based upon what I've been reading, I have to wonder if Mr Musk is trying to act as an agent of Pres Putin to sow discord n the United States?

#20 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-11-25 07:11 PM | Reply


You're so full of it. Not only a false equivalency, but a lying equivalency.

No he's not lying its true. I wish it weren't but its true.

Any freedom of speech that a Twitter user has is granted by the Twitter Terms of Service, Twitter users must stay within the guardrails of the ToS.

Just curious what ToS did Kayleigh McEnany break to be banned?

#21 | Posted by oneironaut at 2022-11-25 07:27 PM | Reply

@#21 ... Just curious what ToS did Kayleigh McEnany break to be banned? ...

When there is a violation of Twitter's Tos, from what I've read, there is a communication between Twitter and the Twitter user involved in that violation.

Also, from what I've seen. some Twitter users choose to make that conversation public, others don't.

So your question is best answered by Kayleigh McEnany, and not a general public forum.

Do let us know what she says when you ask her about her public comment on the matter.

fwiw, I would expect to see the notice that Twitter sent her in this matter.

Yer up...

thx.


#22 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-11-25 07:46 PM | Reply

So your question is best answered by Kayleigh McEnany

A quick looks says her account was locked for posting hacked material.

#23 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-11-25 08:53 PM | Reply

@#23 ... A quick looks says her account was locked for posting hacked material. ...

But my main question in @#22 was more along the lines of the process of informing her of the digression, not the digression itself.


#24 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-11-25 09:04 PM | Reply

Twitter is bleeding accounts. They'll still be down hundreds of thousands even after normalizing anti-Semitism and race hate.

#25 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-11-26 12:43 PM | Reply

Lolz the anger from those of you on the Left about the prisoners being released is truly rich.

#27 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2022-11-26 01:55 PM | Reply

"the prisoners being released..."

Folks who were banned for death threats are returning. How would you feel if you were one of the targets?

#28 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-11-26 01:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Death threats are exactly the kind of Free Speech the right-wing is championing.

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-11-26 03:15 PM | Reply

"prisoners being released"

^
To be a Conservative, you must first be a Victim.

#30 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-11-26 03:18 PM | Reply

I expect this to get a lot of use soon.
massblocker.co

#31 | Posted by bored at 2022-11-26 04:50 PM | Reply

FakeJoeBiden
@fake_biden
Elon Musk literally looked at the world and decided the best thing he could do with 44 billion dollars was to make sure Nazi voices were being heard.
twitter.com

#32 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-11-27 01:03 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

...decided the best thing he could do with 44 billion dollars was to make sure Nazi voices were being heard.

Elon is way more impulse driven than anything. He put in quite an effort to get out of this deal, I doubt he had any real plan for it.

#33 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-11-27 01:22 AM | Reply

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