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Friday, November 25, 2022

More than 20,000 people died across western Europe in this summer's heatwaves, in temperatures that would have been virtually impossible without climate breakdown, figures show.

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...During the summer heatwaves temperatures exceeded 40C (104F) in London, areas in south-west France reached 42C and Seville and Crdoba in Spain set records of 44C. Analysis from the World Weather Attribution group of scientists found that such high temperatures would have been "virtually impossible" without the climate crisis.

In England and Wales, 3,271 excess deaths were recorded between 1 June and 7 September, according to the Office for National Statistics " 6.2% higher than the five-year average.

The analysis does not estimate heat-related deaths specifically, but the number of deaths was higher on average for heat-period days than non-heat-period days.

Covid-19 deaths were excluded....


I had wondered in COVID deaths had been properly accounted for. Looks like they were...

#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-11-25 03:33 PM | Reply

The climate crisis is so bad in Western Europe that they're importing millions of tons of firewood from the US and South America to generate electricity because they've legislated themselves in a corner, Well that, and it provides them a loop hole to meet their carbon reduction numbers.

#2 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2022-11-25 06:06 PM | Reply

@#2 ... The climate crisis is so bad in Western Europe that they're importing millions of tons of firewood from the US and South America to generate electricity because they've legislated themselves in a corner, ...

I agree, there's no easy solution to the climate crisis at this point because Republicans have been in denial of it for so long.

So, yeah, short term attempts to deal with the effects of Russia's invasion of a sovereign Ukraine upon fuel supplies may run counter to the long term goals.

So, what's yer point?

Aside, that is, from continuing failed efforts of your comments to show any understanding of what is happening on this planet.

Yer up...


#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-11-25 06:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Lamp don't confuse not understanding and willful ignorance.

#4 | Posted by Tor at 2022-11-25 06:48 PM | Reply

Buy your stock in air conditioner makers now. They will be in full manufacture mode come this summer with business booming.

As it looks now, there is no way that the Paris accords will ever be met. China refuses to be part of the carbon reduction/pollution management. I've been reading articles where they are seriously considering seeding the atmosphere with the idea of creating a cloudy atmosphere to bounce solar radiation or doing some sort of sun shield in space. Evidently those doing this planning see no hope in we will ever reach an agreement on reducing green house gases.

#5 | Posted by BBQ at 2022-11-25 07:23 PM | Reply

So...for those not in the know, air conditioning in western Europe is extremely rare.

It's just not something they do.

#6 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-11-26 09:35 AM | Reply

So, what's yer point?

#3 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER AT 2022-11-25 06:46 PM | REPLY |

Generating electricity from coal and natural gas is proven cleaner than wood. It would seem that they would undo the stupid legislation if they were really that committed to what they are calling a climate disaster.

#7 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2022-11-26 09:35 AM | Reply

Generating electricity from coal and natural gas is proven cleaner than wood.

How do you figure that?

Coal and natural gas is carbon storage on the order of millions to hundreds of millions of years, while biomass stores carbon on the order of tens to hundreds of years. Considering most old growth is gone, we can say the order of tens of years in most areas.

#8 | Posted by horstngraben at 2022-11-26 10:19 AM | Reply

#7

Nope.

Germany has this really weird anti-nuclear bias. They'll buy it...they just don't want it produced in Germany. Probably easier to not piss off the greens and die linke that way.

I see a lot of NIMBY stuff here in Germany.

#9 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-11-26 10:20 AM | Reply

How do you figure that?
Coal and natural gas is carbon storage on the order of millions to hundreds of millions of years, while biomass stores carbon on the order of tens to hundreds of years. Considering most old growth is gone, we can say the order of tens of years in most areas.
#8 | POSTED BY HORSTNGRABEN AT 2022-11-26 10:19 AM | REPLY |

nltimes.nl

And if you're relying on reforestation as a backdrop you'll need to show how long that takes and absolutely prove that it is in fact happening in places like secluded S America.

#11 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2022-11-26 07:03 PM | Reply

Generating electricity from coal and natural gas is proven cleaner than wood. It would seem that they would undo the stupid legislation if they were really that committed to what they are calling a climate disaster.

#7 | Posted by lfthndthrds

Is that natural gas harvested from wells that leak massive amounts of methane into the air without even burning it like current wells do, or are you assuming an imaginary zero leak situation in your "cleaner than wood" statement?

#12 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-11-26 07:33 PM | Reply

Does anyone actually generate electricity using wood at any kind of scale? NG burns fairly clean. Coal sucks as a fuel.

#13 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-11-26 07:47 PM | Reply

Take carbon out of the atmosphere and make a tree. Burn the tree and release the carbon back into the atmosphere. There is not much change in atmospheric carbon because the carbon was already there to begin with.

Burn coal or natural gas and you introduce carbon into the atmosphere that would otherwise be sequestered. A positive change in atmospheric carbon.

Fossil fuels are not cleaner than biofuels. Its a simple application of the carbon budget.

#14 | Posted by horstngraben at 2022-11-26 08:14 PM | Reply

#13

I don't think so.

#15 | Posted by horstngraben at 2022-11-26 08:14 PM | Reply

"Make a tree"

LMAO

A PC way of taking up for deforestation while promos a scam.

#16 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2022-11-26 08:24 PM | Reply

Promoting*

By that logic, the whole world should convert to Biomass for our energy but you know it isn't sustainable. Yet you continue making bogus claims.

#17 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2022-11-26 08:27 PM | Reply


Fossil fuels are not cleaner than biofuels.

#14 | POSTED BY HORSTNGRABEN

They are more efficient in their CO2 to BTU. The combustion of biomass fuel leads to the higher rate of carbon dioxide emission in comparison with coal or natural gas.

Its a simple application of the carbon budget.

WTF does that mean? All of them are carbon sequestration, the only way its cleaner is if you grow it again. In fact if you want more sequestration you need more CO2 which Fossil fuels help increase.

By that logic, the whole world should convert to Biomass for our energy but you know it isn't sustainable.

Hort knows this, see #15.

#18 | Posted by oneironaut at 2022-11-26 08:35 PM | Reply

Turdboy once again claims title to "World's Stupidest Crackehore"

#19 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-11-26 09:32 PM | Reply

I just received notification from my electrical provider that mill bill will be going from $500 per month to $750.

That's some expensive electricity...

#20 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-11-27 04:30 AM | Reply

#13

In Germany wood is very popular and inexpensive form of energy. The wood stoves here are highly efficient at turning wood into heat.

It's also a very plentiful form of energy. And one that isn't tethered to the mad dogs in the east.

#21 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-11-27 04:32 AM | Reply

In Germany wood is very popular and inexpensive form of energy.

It is here too... I'm heating my house with wood right now. But we don't generate power with it.

#22 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-11-27 07:23 AM | Reply

Does anyone actually generate electricity using wood at any kind of scale?

Yes, America. About 2% of electricity is generated from wood. There is one in Michigan that imports treated railroad ties from Canada and burns them 1 mile from an elementary school. Some of them remove old growth forrests and replant pine trees and call it "renewable". The infinite wisdom of the EPA says these "biomass" generators are green and they get special tax incentives.

Happy Extinction

#23 | Posted by BluSky at 2022-11-27 07:55 AM | Reply

A PC way of taking up for deforestation while promos a scam.

"make a tree" was to suggest that trees are made from carbon, and for brevity.

Should I have gone into gross primary production and photosynthesis? While you're not even understanding the (simple) carbon cycle?

And why do you go straight to hyperbole by suggesting that I claim biofuels are a one cure-all? I didn't claim that.

#24 | Posted by horstngraben at 2022-11-27 01:39 PM | Reply

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