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Friday, November 25, 2022

Prime Minister Viktor Orban said on Thursday that Hungary's parliament would ratify NATO membership for Finland and Sweden early next year.

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...Orban told a briefing after a meeting of the Visegrad Group in Slovakia that his government had already decided that Hungary would support Finland's and Sweden's NATO accession and parliament would set this item on its agenda at its first session next year.

"Hungary will surely give its backing to their accession, after the government had done, also parliament will do so," Orban said. Parliament normally reconvenes around mid-February.

Hungary and Turkey are the only members of the alliance who have not yet cleared the accession....


#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-11-25 06:23 PM | Reply

Pres Putin blew it big time when he thought his unprovoked invasion of a sovereign Ukraine for the purpose of annexing and eliminating Ukraine would split NATO.

Quite the opposite has occurred.

Not only is NATO now stronger than in recent years, but two additional countries have applied for membership.

NATO - it expands when countries ask to join and are accepted.

Russia - it expands when countries are invaded and annexed, regardless of those countries' wants.


#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-11-25 06:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Russia is going to get Sweded.

#3 | Posted by Tor at 2022-11-25 06:47 PM | Reply

Putin is a stable genius, too!

#4 | Posted by Corky at 2022-11-25 08:05 PM | Reply

@#2 ... Quite the opposite has occurred....

OK, in earlier threads, I've wanted to ask this question. But I didn't because things were ~still happening.~

But, now, at this point, I can no longer contain my question...

How ------- bad was Pres Putin's intelligence that he had any manner of thought that his unprovoked invasion upon a sovereign Ukraine would split NATO?

I mean, back in the 60's, 70's, 80's Russian intelligence was admired.

What happened?

I mean, Pres Putin seemed to have been fed most inaccurate information about NATO's response to his unprovoked invasion of a sovereign Ukraine.

Now let's put that into perspective...

Pres Putin received grossly inaccurate intelligence [and I use that word lightly] information. Based upon that he makes the strategic STRATEGIC! decision to invade a sovereign Ukraine, because it seems he was told NATO wouldn't care.

Woof.

Is Pres Putin that bad of a strategist?

I'm at a loss for words here.....


#5 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-11-25 08:15 PM | Reply

Lamp putin either ignored intel or he surrounded himself with yes men.

My military knowledge isn't great an even I knew a obvious large scale war of imperialism waged by Russia against a neighbor in Europe wouldn't be ok with anyone.

#6 | Posted by Tor at 2022-11-25 08:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Putin was left with no choice to Invade Ukraine. Conflict had been going on for years in Donbas and Luhansk. The Russians there wanted no part of Ukraine. It's sort of like the American Revolution and taxation without representation. NATO was set up to protect shipping in the North Atlantic. Now it's expanded to go head on against Russia. I don't like it.

#7 | Posted by wolfdog at 2022-11-25 09:29 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

@#7 ... Putin was left with no choice to Invade Ukraine. ...

Oh please.

Your alias really needs to try harder. Why was he even presented a choice?

... Conflict had been going on for years in Donbas and Luhansk. The Russians there wanted no part of Ukraine. ...

That was Ukraine's problem, not Pres Putin's problem.

That aside, Pres Putin has stated that the country of Ukraine should not exist.

So how does your Donbas and Luhansk enter into that? The rational of your new alias seems to be, let's just say, lacking.

... It's sort of like the American Revolution and taxation without representation. ...

No it isn't.

Pres Putin has stated that he wants to annex and eliminate the country of Ukraine.

Please stop trying to assert that this unprovoked invasion of a sovereign country is anything different than that.

And fwiw, I welcome your newly-created alias to this most august discussion site.

Yer up... :)




#8 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-11-25 09:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"NATO was set up to protect shipping in the North Atlantic."

Well, if the icecap is gone then they're going to use the north pole for shipping, so it makes sense for the North Atlantic countries to join, no?

#9 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-11-25 09:52 PM | Reply

Putin was left with no choice to Invade Ukraine.

He had two choices... (a)invade Ukraine or (b)Don't invade Ukraine.

He chose the wrong one. Probably because his senior military advisors were afraid to tell him that whey had embezzled 90% of Russia's military budget.

#10 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-11-25 09:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#9 ... so it makes sense for the North Atlantic countries to join, no?...

My guess would be that the acceptance of Finland and Sweden into NATO would also bring a lot of, let's just say at this point, northern experience.

And that would not work in favor of Pres Putin.

So... yet another reason why he majorly blew his strategy here.

Jus' sayin'


But what do I know?


#11 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-11-25 10:01 PM | Reply

@#7 ... NATO was set up to protect shipping in the North Atlantic....

And I have to add...

What, pray tell, is the reasoning and substantiation behind that comment ?

I await the justification.

Yer up...



#12 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-11-25 10:08 PM | Reply

NATO was set up to protect shipping in the North Atlantic....

From who?

#13 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-11-25 10:15 PM | Reply

"The Russians there wanted no part of Ukraine."

Yeah.

That's why 300k actual Russians fled the country in order to avoid the war.

No one wants to be part of Russia. It's a poor, ------ wasteland of a country. Unless you can be proud of your country's national fertilizer output, there's not much to be proud of if you're Russian.

#14 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-11-26 10:01 AM | Reply

"Putin was left with no choice to Invade Ukraine."

Like, the survival of the Russian state depended on invading Ukraine?

If so, Russia is kaput. The invasion has gone horribly for the Russians.

Yet you're telling the audience that the current situation puts Russia in a better position that it was in November of 2021?

I'm all ears.

#15 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-11-26 10:03 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"My guess would be that the acceptance of Finland and Sweden into NATO would also bring a lot of, let's just say at this point, northern experience."

Totally.

St. Petersburg is now vulnerable in a way it never was previously. Like Really vulnerable. Kaliningrad levels of vulnerability.

#16 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-11-26 10:06 AM | Reply

I wonder if Tucker convinced him during some pillow talk....

#17 | Posted by Yodagirl at 2022-11-26 01:40 PM | Reply

Kyiv as they did in Bucha carrying out mass ezecution which were actually caught on cell phone cameras and the fact that there were Russian troops already there not to mention all the sham referendums conducted at the end of a Russian rifle.

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#18 | Posted by danni at 2022-11-26 06:26 PM | Reply

It is shameful but the world is just waiting for Psycho Putin to run out of money. When he stops paying his military to murdrt Ukrainians they will probably stop, sooner if they run out of bullets.

#19 | Posted by danni at 2022-11-26 06:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It is shameful but the world is just waiting for Psycho Putin to run out of money. When he stops paying his military to murdrt Ukrainians they will probably stop, sooner if they run out of bullets.

#19 | POSTED BY DANNI

The problem is Putin won't run out of money until Russia runs out of resources that the world needs.

Whats your second plan?

#20 | Posted by oneironaut at 2022-11-26 06:38 PM | Reply

Pres Putin blew it big time when he thought his unprovoked invasion of a sovereign Ukraine for the purpose of annexing and eliminating Ukraine would split NATO.

I doubt he thought his invasion/annexing of Ukraine would split NATO, I see no evidence that was the case.

Whats your evidence?

#21 | Posted by oneironaut at 2022-11-26 06:40 PM | Reply

Hungary is full of right wing national white supremacists, kind of makes you wonder.

#22 | Posted by oneironaut at 2022-11-26 06:40 PM | Reply

Nazis hanging together?

We hate em' when they're here, but they sure seem to love em' when they're over there.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend?

Right?

#23 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-11-26 07:02 PM | Reply

Russia is done.Over.History. All because a retarded, crippled old man can't get it up. Sad!

#24 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-11-26 09:24 PM | Reply

You sure about that? Any other prophecies?

Just keep saying it over and over.

That makes it true.

#25 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-11-26 09:52 PM | Reply

Just keep saying it over and over.

Peace in our time.

#26 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-11-26 09:54 PM | Reply

You sure about that? Any other prophecies?
Just keep saying it over and over.
That makes it true.

POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER AT 2022-11-26 09:52

Why don't you just get bent?? Or go vamoose??

#27 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2022-11-26 10:12 PM | Reply

Russia's missile stocks are now so low they're taking nuclear warheads off cruise missiles and sending them towards Ukraine without any explosives.

Britain says Russia likely removing nuclear warheads from missiles and firing at Ukraine

Nov 26 (Reuters) - Russia is likely removing nuclear warheads from ageing nuclear cruise missiles and firing unarmed munitions at Ukraine, Britain's military intelligence said on Saturday.

The defense ministry said open source imagery shows wreckage of an air launched cruise missile fired at Ukraine which seem to have been designed in the 1980s as a nuclear delivery system, adding that ballast was probably being substituted for the warheads.

www.reuters.com

#28 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2022-11-26 11:54 PM | Reply

Confirmation please. That's a big claim. Sources?

Sounds kinda ---------- too.

#29 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-11-27 12:19 AM | Reply

"Confirmation please. That's a big claim. Sources?"

What?!? Vladdy's lying to you???

"Sounds kinda ---------- too."

Cut the bull, and you're correct. Looks like Putin knows a nuke would be his death warrant, but he still wants Big Toy Go Boom!

#30 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-11-27 12:25 AM | Reply

Russia's missile stocks are now so low...

That should give Ukraine some breathing room to get the power back up. Doubt the Iranian drones are as effective.

#31 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-11-27 12:29 AM | Reply

We'll see.

#32 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-11-27 12:36 AM | Reply

Orban knows there are a heap of Hungarians who will recall, either from direct experience or the horrific testimonies of eyewitnesses, just how murderous Russia is as a neighbor. The Hungarian Revolution is not ancient history, nor the Russian deception, callousness, and studied cruelty.

#33 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2022-11-27 05:08 AM | Reply

NATO was set up to protect shipping in the North Atlantic

7 | POSTED BY WOLFDOG

I wonder from whom?

#34 | Posted by Zed at 2022-11-27 10:49 AM | Reply

even I knew a obvious large scale war of imperialism waged by Russia against a neighbor in Europe wouldn't be ok with anyone.

#6 | POSTED BY TOR

Well except seems it's quite ok by Pootins Puppies, the magamorons who seem to be hell bent on cutting funding to Ukraine, of course.

#35 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-11-27 12:18 PM | Reply

They can win on their own, or Not. Why do we pay them?

Nobody's paying Russia to fight. They have their own means of production.

The Ukies are just beggars. Panhandlers who don't have the means to win without massive outside support and training.

If NATO hadn't subsidized theit brutality in the Donbass they wouldn't have provoked Russia into attacking.

They would have stayed in line. Better for everyone, including them.

#36 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-11-27 12:30 PM | Reply

They (Ukrainians) can win

#36 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER

Yep.

Excellent reason to support them.

#37 | Posted by Zed at 2022-11-27 12:56 PM | Reply

What if they don't? Then what? Is there a plan B?

Sanctioning Russia in perpetuity is not realistic.

Do You know what is?

Watching the Ukraine become Syria in Europe.

With millions of refugees and endless war for possibly decades.

No improvement in global warming of anything else.

Just war kept alive by constant infusions from the West when they're too ----------- to fight directly.

How is THAT good policy?

#38 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-11-27 01:36 PM | Reply

Sanctioning Russia in perpetuity is not realistic.

Sure it is.

How is THAT good policy?

Uses up aging weapons that are lying around and helps the economy making new ones.

#39 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-11-27 01:50 PM | Reply

Stupid.
Helps the economy huh? That's a Reason?

If you're morally bankrupt

Sounds like -------- to me. What about the humanity? What about not expecting our Allies to sacrifice their own economies so we can clean up as Daddy Warbucks.

Militarism is the problem. Short wars are better than long protracted ones. Less damage is done.

Limiting the damage is all we can do now.

You want to pour gasoline on the fire.

When it becomes another conflagration that consumes the world, will the economy for military hardware matter?

Only to the ghouls who feast on Death.

#40 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-11-27 02:10 PM | Reply

Helps the economy huh? That's a Reason?

More of a side benefit. See also live battlefield weapons testing.

What about the humanity?

Ask Putin... he started it. He doesn't seem to be too concerned about it.

#41 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-11-27 02:16 PM | Reply

What if they (Ukrainians) don't (win)?

#38 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER

Then I expect the Russians to roll over Moldova and you to say why that's a good thing.

#42 | Posted by Zed at 2022-11-27 02:19 PM | Reply

#41 Neither do you.

You're a sick ----. Your posts have gotten progressively more bloodthirsty over time.

Seek help. Or just move to Ukraine and join the struggle.

We all know how likely that it.

#43 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-11-27 02:28 PM | Reply

You're a sick ----. Your posts have gotten progressively more bloodthirsty over time.
Seek help. Or just move to Ukraine and join the struggle.
We all know how likely that it.

POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER AT 2022-11-27 02:28 PM | REPLY

Says the Putin stooge.

#44 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2022-11-27 02:29 PM | Reply

POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER

You're fkkking re tar did.

The only purpose you seem to serve is as a punching bag for other posters.

What a dumb fkkking moron you are.

#45 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-11-27 03:10 PM | Reply

Run along Clown. Nothing to see here.

Freedom of speech means just that. I don't need your permission. I don't need your approval.

Nobody here does.

Look inside and tell me anyone gives two craps what you post either.

That's the whole point of this place, but you don't see it for what it is, I guess.

#46 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-11-27 03:27 PM | Reply

"Militarism is the problem. Short wars are better than long protracted ones. Less damage is done."

Whatever.
Putin is waging a long, protracted war.
Maybe someday you'll care to acknowledge he's the only one who can stop it.

#47 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-11-27 03:33 PM | Reply

I can't control what Putin has done. I can't control what our own government or the Ukrainians have done.

I can say feeding a frenzy more and more that could get to the point of real shooting war in Europe is stupid when there are No real American national interests there.

It kills a lot of people,you know.

Just so some industrial oblasts stay Ukrainian even if mostly they don't want to?

They want to purge anyone not Ukrainian from there. Cultural bigotry.

But it's against Russia so it's, All Good.

#48 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-11-27 03:45 PM | Reply

"Just so some industrial oblasts stay Ukrainian even if mostly they don't want to?"

Wrong.

#49 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-11-27 03:47 PM | Reply

"I can't control what Putin has done."

You could condemn it, like most any sensible person would.

#50 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-11-27 03:50 PM | Reply

Nothing to see here.
#46 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER

Definitely nothing new or original from you in months.

Same stupid shht.

Everyday.

You dumb fkkking moron.

Go buy some new talking points.

#51 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-11-27 03:59 PM | Reply

If no one has missed it this is Hungary making it clear as day that they are not neutral in this conflict and will not support Putin's regime.

#52 | Posted by Tor at 2022-11-27 04:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Clown. pretty good on the invective. Got anything else?

Keep on keepin' on with the calaumny.

You got nothing else.

#53 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-11-27 04:24 PM | Reply

calumny

#54 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-11-27 04:26 PM | Reply

EffeminatePoser is so Pro Putin, it's baffling he believes he's fooling anyone with his pro Russia propaganda.

I bet he also defended Iraq invading Kuwait and America's invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq.

All invasions should be declared an immediate victory!

Fkkk it.

#55 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-11-27 04:35 PM | Reply

Not Pro Putin,Anti Nazi. Get at least that part, Bozo.

Why are we paying a corrupt government to fight a war we instigated?

Love of the Nazis.

#56 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-11-27 04:41 PM | Reply

Love of the Nazis.

#56 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER

Putin is a Nazi.

#57 | Posted by Zed at 2022-11-27 04:45 PM | Reply

Not Pro Putin,Anti Nazi. Get at least that part, Bozo.
Why are we paying a corrupt government to fight a war we instigated?
Love of the Nazis.

POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER AT 2022-11-27 04:41 PM

Liar liar pants on fire.

#58 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2022-11-27 04:48 PM | Reply

"Why are we paying a corrupt government to fight a war we instigated?"
-Effen'P #56

"EffeminatePoser is so Pro Putin, it's baffling he believes he's fooling anyone with his pro Russia propaganda."
-ClownS #55

It took 1 post for you to prove me correct. Thanks.

#59 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-11-27 04:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#56 ... Why are we paying a corrupt government to fight a war we instigated? ...

That's Pres Putin's line. Not surprising your alias echoes it.


Repeating an earlier comment of mine...


Pres Putin blew it big time when he thought his unprovoked invasion of a sovereign Ukraine for the purpose of annexing and eliminating Ukraine would split NATO.

Quite the opposite has occurred.

Not only is NATO now stronger than in recent years, but two additional countries have applied for membership.

NATO - it expands when countries ask to join and are accepted.

Russia - it expands when countries are invaded and annexed, regardless of those countries' wants.



#60 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-11-27 04:58 PM | Reply

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