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Sunday, November 27, 2022

Over the past decade, as the Asian diaspora has grown in North America, the call to reclaim the swastika as a sacred symbol has become louder. These minority faith communities are being joined by Native American elders whose ancestors have long used the symbol as part of healing rituals.

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"as the Asian diaspora has grown in North America"

Huh?

#1 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-11-28 12:21 PM | Reply

Swastika rehabilitation is back and still not understanding why western cultures have a different association with the Swastika than eastern cultures.

He pretends to be smart. But he just doesn't get it.

When white people tattoo their bodies with swastikas and march around carrying flag with swastikas on them. It's not to display how auspicious they are. It's to let you know they'd prefer Jews, blacks and other minority races all be put to death.

#2 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-11-28 12:33 PM | Reply

Understanding the roots of a cultural bigotry and promoting said bigotry are two different things. When you automatically give more deference to the specific ming mongs you referenced than to the much larger of number people on this planet who still use it in a way that has nothing to do with that, then you're engaging in the latter. Don't you believe all bigotry should be challenged, or at least questioned? Or are some forms of bigotry acceptable to you?

#3 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-11-28 01:36 PM | Reply

Understanding the roots of a cultural bigotry and promoting said bigotry are two different things. When you automatically give more deference to the specific ming mongs you referenced than to the much larger of number people on this planet who still use it in a way that has nothing to do with that, then you're engaging in the latter. Don't you believe all bigotry should be challenged, or at least questioned? Or are some forms of bigotry acceptable to you?

#4 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-11-28 01:36 PM | Reply

My family owns objects with swastikas on them that predate the Nazis.

Maybe after the last holocaust survivor passes the swastika can start to have a life independent of the evil Nazis least in some parts of the world.

It won't be in North America or Europe though.

#5 | Posted by Tor at 2022-11-28 02:40 PM | Reply

When Trump announced in 2016 that he was proposing a Muslim ban, I thought that was disgusting and unacceptable. One can understand why some people who witnessed 9/11 and related attacks feel that Muslims and Arabs shouldn't be allowed in North America or Europe, while at the same time thinking we should not tolerate it as a policy or as a social norm.

#6 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-11-28 02:56 PM | Reply

Maybe after the last Nazi passes the swastika can start to have a life independent of the evil Nazis

FTFY.

Ignoring history because those who were subjected to its horrors have died is irresponsible and potentially dangerous.

The Swastika serves as a reminder of the horrors of fascism and the blind hatred that people can get swept up in.

Much like we're currently witnessing with Trumpers across our nation.

No. It's not time to forget what happened during the 1930s and 40s in Europe and in the South Pacific.

If anything. It's time for Americans to remember what this nation is supposed to stand for.

Justice and liberty for all.

#7 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-11-28 02:58 PM | Reply

"Justice and liberty for all."

Except for the Asian diasporas, eh? You're saying it's okay to harass minorities with Diwali symbols on their doors and attack anyone who tries to educate society that the symbol has nothing to do with the way your tattooed friends use it.

#8 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-11-28 03:24 PM | Reply

Except for the Asian diasporas, eh?

It seems after reading my post you used all your critical thinking skills to miss the point I made.

Congratulations.

You wonder why you're considered a troll and derided as a Swastika lover?

It's based on posts like theses.

#9 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-11-28 04:45 PM | Reply

I'm sure there are dummies who don't know the difference between the Nazi swastika and the kind shown in the linked article.

Okay. We're not the ones who need rehabilitation. Everyone here knows the Nazis adopted the symbol and gave it a new meaning.

Recently, the Proud Boys and MAGAs adopted the "OK" symbol to mean support for fascism. So, when they say that's what they mean by using that symbol, we should believe them.

Since 2017, however, it has been used differently. In February 2017, 4chan users launched Operation O-KKK. The aim was to "flood Twitter and other social media websites" with posts that claimed the ok hand symbol was a "symbol of white supremacy". www.thefocus.news

So, you're going to tell us what the OK symbol means.

#10 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-11-28 04:54 PM | Reply

Clown Shack the average Hitler Youth member is what now 80?

I want people that were no more than infants who survived the Holocaust to not have to suffer the sight of that symbol in their day-to-day lives.

#11 | Posted by Tor at 2022-11-28 06:02 PM | Reply

Nailed it. Give it up, Nazi-symp.

#12 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-11-28 06:54 PM | Reply

"I want people that were no more than infants who survived the Holocaust to not have to suffer the sight of that symbol in their day-to-day lives."

Again, if you want to take that view, then how can you disagree with those who want to exclude all symbols tangentially related to the ones used and perverted by Islamic terrorists and daesh, at least until every last person who directly witnessed their acts passes away?

Or to use another example, it's as extreme as banning the letter 't' until there are no more survivors of what all those sick priests did. Or to use clownshack's standard, until we can verify that no more priests exist anywhere, which means forever.

#13 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-11-28 07:15 PM | Reply

I've got a symbol for you. Right in the middle of my hand. Also, calling whatever the ---- you're talking about an "asian diaspora" is racist as hell and you know it, you sheet-wearing clown.

#14 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-11-28 07:17 PM | Reply

#10- Serious question: why do you hold Proud Boys and 4chan trolls in such high esteem that you give them the power to claim and redefine a symbol over the millions of people who used and continue to use it innocuously?

#15 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-11-28 10:05 PM | Reply

Hitler. ------- Hitler. You know, the guy who's photo you whack it too nightly, Nazi scum.

#16 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-11-28 10:23 PM | Reply

"Clown Shack the average Hitler Youth member is what now 80?"

Clown and I don't get along, but I think that's a bit harsh. I don't believe he's that old.

#17 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-11-29 08:38 AM | Reply

I know this topic annoys people who want to keep the status quo, which empowers those who abuse/misuse the symbol. Tough. Those people should be called the aberrations that they are, just like "daesh", and not given the power to redefine something millions of people in this world continue to use in an unrelated manner. And if you're saying things like "never in North America or Europe", you need to check how far away you're standing from Donald Trump on the xenophobic/pandering to xenophobic ignorance scale. People like the ones in this article have always existed and will continue to exist in our multicultural society. They don't deserve to be harassed or attacked or marginalized for displaying a cultural or religious icon. The 20th Century is over. If most of us could get over 9/11 without being Islamophobic, there's really no excuse for this bigotry.

#18 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-11-29 11:14 PM | Reply

@#18 ... I know this topic annoys people who want to keep the status quo, which empowers those who abuse/misuse the symbol. Tough. Those people should be called the aberrations that they are ...

Whoa, wait,what?

At this point I will admit that i have not read all of the AP article, so I may be speaking out of my analpore...

Given that...

What I have learned is that the Nazis took the sacred symbol, and reversed the direction of the pointy-things.

Is that correct?

If not, please explain.

thx.

#19 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-11-30 12:02 AM | Reply

What I have learned is that the Nazis took the sacred symbol, and reversed the direction of the pointy-things.

The one in the linked article shows the same pointy thing direction. I think what Adolph did was twist it 45 degrees.

#20 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-11-30 12:13 AM | Reply

"What I have learned is that the Nazis took the sacred symbol, and reversed the direction of the pointy-things."

This is a common misconception. The sacred symbol goes in both directions in many cultures. In Hinduism, the opposite directions correspond to the "yang" and "yin" concepts in Daoist/Chinese culture, neither of which is inherently "good" or "bad".

As others have noted, the Nazis branded their official motif at a 45-degree angle with a specific color scheme. Of course, they used other versions of it, but so did many other western countries around that time, including the U.S. Finland only removed the symbol from their air force logo just a couple of years ago, in 2020, even though it never had anything to do with Nazism.

#21 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-11-30 01:01 AM | Reply

the Nazis branded their official motif at a 45-degree angle with a specific color scheme.

Hitler himself designed that... black 45 degree swastika in a white circle centered on a red field. It was the flag of the Nazi Party. The later flag of Nazi Germany was similar, but the circle/swastika wasn't centered.

#22 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-11-30 01:13 AM | Reply

@#21 ... This is a common misconception. The sacred symbol goes in both directions in many cultures. ...

Got links?

thx.

#23 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-11-30 01:32 AM | Reply

www.learnreligions.com
en.wikipedia.org
www.britannica.com

#24 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-11-30 03:01 AM | Reply

Some of the pueblos in the New Mexico use it:

commons.m.wikimedia.org

The Nazi's "culturally appropriated" it, and trashed it. Now it's a symbol of something evil and sinister.

#25 | Posted by shane at 2022-11-30 01:23 PM | Reply

#10- Serious question: why do you hold Proud Boys and 4chan trolls in such high esteem that you give them the power to claim and redefine a symbol over the millions of people who used and continue to use it innocuously?
#15 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

I don't hold them in any particular esteem.
When then they say their use of the OK symbol means they support white nationalism, I believe them.
Are you calling them liars? Are you saying they mean something else when they use that symbol? What then does it mean?

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-11-30 01:25 PM | Reply

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