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Monday, November 28, 2022

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention revealed Friday it is now tracking a new COVID-19 variant of concern around the U.S. known as XBB, which has grown to make up an estimated 3.1% of new infections nationwide.

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... The strain's prevalence has grown furthest so far in the Northeast, according to the agency's weekly estimates. More than 5% of infections in the regions spanning New Jersey through Maine are linked to XBB, in this week's "Nowcast" from the CDC.

XBB is behind a vast swath of infections across some South Asian countries and has made up an increasing share of reported virus sequences from around the world and in arriving international travelers.

Earlier this month, the CDC offered preliminary estimates suggesting XBB is potentially doubling in proportion about every 12 days. That could be faster than the current pace of the BQ.1 and BQ.1.1 variants now dominant across the country.

However, , the Biden administration's top COVID officials and experts say they do not think XBB will pose a new threat on the scale of when the Omicron variant first emerged a year ago.

"Where we've seen surges, they've seen mostly it be driven by seasonality, people coming inside, spending more time around one another, but not being specifically being driven by the emergence of a new variant," the CDC's Ian Williams told a meeting of the CDC's emergency response and preparedness advisers earlier this month.

XBB is one of several new lineages that have displaced BA.4 and BA.5, the Omicron variant siblings that had driven a wave of cases over the summer. As of this week, the CDC says BA.5 has fallen to less than 1 in 5 new infections nationwide and BA.4 has now virtually disappeared....


#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-11-28 12:50 PM | Reply

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CDC tracking new Covid variant of concern known as XBB
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...The CDC revealed Friday it is now tracking a new COVID-19 variant of concern (VOC) around the U.S. known as XBB, which has grown to make upabout 3 percent of all infections.

It has been one year since the World Health Organization (WHO) announced that a concerning new variant of the coronavirus, known as Omicron, had been discovered in southern Africa.

On November 26, 2021, when Omicron emerged, it had 50 mutations, and that alone set it apart from other variants of Covid. However it arose, its mutations have allowed it to slip inside cells more successfully, or evade some of the antibodies from vaccines or previous infections.

A year later, epidemiologists are scrambling to keep up with the rapidly developing mutations. Instead of Omicron having a single lineage, it has exploded into hundreds, each with resistance to our immune defenses and with its own alphanumeric names, like XBB, BQ.1.1, and CH.1.

For the first few months, as new versions emerged, they replaced one another like a series of waves crashing on a beach. BA.1, was replaced by BA.2, then BA.5, both of which evaded some antibodies produced from earlier Omicron infections.

In February of this year, Theodora Hatziioannou, a virologist at Rockefeller University in New York, and her colleagues ran an experiment that suggested Omicron wasprimedfor an evolutionary explosion.

They discovered that it was remarkably easy for a few extra mutations to make it resistant to almost all antibodies. Dr. Hatziioannou suspected that many new mutations in Omicron changed its evolutionary landscape, making it much easier to evolve even more resistance.

"We were actually worried when we saw this," she said. And Omicron has lived up to those worries over the past few months....


#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-11-28 12:53 PM | Reply

Nothing to worry about. It's one person from China. It will soon go to zero.

#3 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-11-28 12:58 PM | Reply

And this is why it's best to only gather outdoors and not share weed.

#4 | Posted by Tor at 2022-11-28 04:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Just follow the playbook written by the T-Rump administration. Folks will be dying left and right by Xmas ...

#5 | Posted by catdog at 2022-11-28 05:20 PM | Reply

#4

Interesting story.

Over the summer I went camping with a friend. We were in close proximity and sharing weed for several days.

I was experiencing allergy symptoms from day one. At first I simply thought it was pollen of some sort. But that was unusual, because I don't typically have allergies in August. I decided to take a COVID test when I got home, and was indeed positive. Even though we were together for the entire camping trip, my friend never tested positive or had symptoms. I'm glad he didn't. Because he has far worse health issues than I do. Although I never had further symptoms, COVID still made me miss my own daughters memorial service.

It's curious how it skips over some people, while making others extremely ill.

#6 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2022-11-28 05:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I had the flu once.

#7 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-11-28 07:14 PM | Reply

Covid zero policy is working out great in China. No reason it won't work out equally well here in the US.

#8 | Posted by visitor_ at 2022-11-28 07:17 PM | Reply

@#8 ... Covid zero policy is working out great in China. No reason it won't work out equally well here in the US....

Why does your alias want the United States to implement a policy here that does not seem to be working well in China?


#9 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-11-28 07:23 PM | Reply

Covid zero policy is working out great in China. No reason it won't work out equally well here in the US.

#8 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

The US was never even remotely close to zero COVID policies.

#10 | Posted by jpw at 2022-11-28 08:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

This is Joe's chance to shine and demonstrate he's better than Trump.

#11 | Posted by visitor_ at 2022-11-28 10:12 PM | Reply

He beat that fat turd by 8 million votes.

#12 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-11-28 10:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Beat his Covid death count too! Not to mention inflation and supply chain disruption, baby formula shortages, fuel price etc.

#13 | Posted by visitor_ at 2022-11-28 10:44 PM | Reply

The child-raping orange jizzfart allowed COVID to kill 4000 Americans on the same day he incited an insurrection.

#14 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2022-11-28 10:53 PM | Reply

My cousin's 2-year-old got progressively worse yesterday. His mom took him to the hospital. He has both COVID and RSV and is a very sick little puppy. I know she, her husband, their 6-year-old daughter have been out and about. We're rooting for the little guy to get well, but it's proof COVID hasn't gone anywhere.

We got our bivalent boosters and flu shots last week, but because new variants are springing up like dandelions, even that won't mean we wouldn't get infected with COVID if we let our guard down and started pretending the COVID pandemic is SO 2021. It isn't.

Tens of thousands to 6 figures of COVID cases have been diagnosed every day during better weather. And those are just the cases we know about. The number is probably 3 or 4 times as high due to home tests and people who don't get tested. Winter and the holidays are here.

Wear a mask. Avoid crowds. Get vaxxed. Because even if it offers less than 100% protection against infection it could very well be what keeps you or someone you love out of the hospital.

#15 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2022-11-29 04:39 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Biden needs to lock down the US, China style. Every Covid death is preventable and he has blood on his hands.

#16 | Posted by visitor_ at 2022-11-29 10:22 AM | Reply

STFU ------.

#17 | Posted by jpw at 2022-11-29 10:39 AM | Reply

This time trust the science JPW. More have died under the Biden Crime Family regime than Trump's. Covid is still a factor, if we want to eradicate Covid, we must take more drastic action. How many deaths are acceptable? I say no more. Covid zero.

#18 | Posted by visitor_ at 2022-11-29 11:14 AM | Reply

"More have died under the Biden"

Some things are more important than living.
--Texas Lt Gov Dan Patrick (R)

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-11-29 11:16 AM | Reply

How many deaths are acceptable? I say no more.
#18 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

You must not be a Republican.
Republican policy is to let it wash over us.
Republican policy is don't get vaccinated, don't wear a mask.

#20 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-11-29 11:18 AM | Reply

How many deaths are acceptable? I say no more. Covid zero.

#18 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

No worries maga ----.

It's only 15 cases. You want zero? It's soon to be zero!!

It just the flu. It will go away when it gets warm. Or right after the elections.

It you get sick just drink some bleach. Or horse pee. Or stick a UV light up yer butt.

But don't bother to wear a mask because none out of 10 doctors who use them everyday say they are only for snowflakes and LGBTQIA's.

#21 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-11-29 11:26 AM | Reply

#18 I stand by my response. I'm not engaging your dishonest ---------.

#22 | Posted by jpw at 2022-11-29 11:45 AM | Reply

It's time to hold Biden to the same standard as Trump.

#23 | Posted by visitor_ at 2022-11-29 02:35 PM | Reply

@#23 ... It's time to hold Biden to the same standard as Trump. ...

Please be a lot more specific, and not your alias' usual unsubstantiated misinformation...

thx.

#24 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-11-29 02:41 PM | Reply

When nothing was known about Covid, Trump was blamed for it's spread and every case was his fault. Now we know so much more, we have vaccines etc. it's time to hold Biden accountable. Can't be more clear than that.

#25 | Posted by visitor_ at 2022-11-29 02:48 PM | Reply

When nothing was known about Covid, Trump was blamed for it's spread and every case was his fault. Now we know so much more, we have vaccines etc. it's time to hold Biden accountable. Can't be more clear than that.

#25 | Posted by visitor_

Trump was blamed for lying about it, which he later admitted on tape.

What could biden do to undo 2 years of right wing brainwashing and make republicans get vaccinated? I'm sure he'd love your suggestions...

#26 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-11-29 02:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

@#25 ... Trump was blamed for it's spread and every case was his fault.

Fmr Pres Trump was blamed for many things, the more significant ones were politicizing mitigations against COVID such as mask wearing and vaccinations. I saw him from the Presidential Press Podium and from behind the Oval Office desk ridiculte people who wore a mask.

Fmr Pres Trump was also blamed for spreading misinformation about COVID...

For starters...


(all dates are year 2020)

(hyphen after the date indicates public comment, plus sign after the date indicates comment to Mr Woodward during the interview)


Jan. 22 - "We have it totally under control. It's one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It's going to be just fine. ... We're in great shape. China's in good shape, too."

Jan. 24 - "China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!"

Jan. 30 - "We only have five people. Hopefully, everything's going to be great. They have somewhat of a problem, but hopefully, it's all going to be great. But we're working with China, just so you know, and other countries very, very closely. So it doesn't get out of hand. But it's, you know, it's something that we have to be very, very careful with, right? We have to be very careful."

Feb. 4 - "We are coordinating with the Chinese government and working closely together on the coronavirus outbreak in China. My administration will take all necessary steps to safeguard our citizens from this threat."

Feb. 7 + "It goes through the air, That's always tougher than the touch. You don't have to touch things. Right? But the air, you just breathe the air and that's how it's passed."

Feb. 7 + Now it's turning out it's not just old people, ... Just today and yesterday, some startling facts came out. It's not just old- older. Young people too, plenty of young people.

Feb. 10 - "Looks like by April, you know, in theory, when it gets a little warmer, it miraculously goes away."

Feb. 11 - "In our country, we only have, basically, 12 cases and most of those people are recovering and some cases fully recovered. So it's actually less."

Feb. 24 - "The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. ... Stock Market starting to look very good to me!"

Feb. 26 - "When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that's a pretty good job we've done. ... We're testing everybody that we need to test. And we're finding very little problem."

Feb. 27 - "It's going to disappear. One day, it's like a miracle, it will disappear."

Feb. 28 - "Now the Democrats are politicizing the coronavirus. You know that, right? Coronavirus. They're politicizing it. We did one of the great jobs. You say, How's President Trump doing?' They go, Oh, not good, not good.' They have no clue. They don't have any clue. ... Think of it. Think of it. And this is their new hoax. But you know, we did something that's been pretty amazing. We're 15 people [cases of coronavirus infection] in this massive country. And because of the fact that we went early, we went early, we could have had a lot more than that. They say, 'Oh, he should do more.' There's nothing more you can do."

Mar. 4 - "Some people will have this at a very light level and won't even go to a doctor or hospital, and they'll get better. There are many people like that."

Mar. 5 - "Gallup just gave us the highest rating ever for the way we are handling the CoronaVirus situation. The April 2009-10 Swine Flu, where nearly 13,000 people died in the U.S., was poorly handled. ... I shake anybody's hand now. I'm proud of it."


#27 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-11-29 03:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

#27 continued...

(all dates still are 2020)


Mar. 9 - "The Fake News Media and their partner, the Democrat Party, is doing everything within its semi-considerable power ... to inflame the CoronaVirus situation."

Mar. 10 - "We're prepared, and we're doing a great job with it. And it will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away."

Mar. 13 - "I don't take responsibility at all."

Mar. 15 - "This is a very contagious virus. It's incredible. But it's something that we have tremendous control over."

Mar. 17 - "I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic." ... "We're getting rid of this virus. That's what we're doing. That's the best thing we can do. By the way, for the markets, for everything -- it's very simple, very simple solution. We want to get rid of it. We want to have very -- as few deaths as possible. This is a horrible thing."

Mar. 18 - "I always treated the Chinese Virus very seriously, and have done a very good job from the beginning..."

Mar. 24 - "I'd love to have the country opened up and just raring to go by Easter."

Mar. 25 - "Nobody would ever believe a thing like that's possible. Nobody could have ever seen something like this coming, but now we know, and we know it can happen and happen again."

Mar. 29 - "Nothing would be worse than declaring victory before the victory is won."

Apr. 10 - "The invisible enemy will soon be in full retreat."

Apr. 13 - "When somebody is the president of the United States, the authority is total. And that's the way it's got to be. It's total."
-
www.theatlantic.com

Jun. 5 - "Why isn't your governor opening up your state?"


#28 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-11-29 03:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

"When nothing was known about Covid, Trump was blamed for it's spread and every case was his fault."

Not by goons like you.

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-11-29 03:11 PM | Reply

Now we know a lot more, how's Joe doing?

#30 | Posted by visitor_ at 2022-11-29 03:29 PM | Reply

@#30 ... how's Joe doing? ...

Pres Biden could be doing better, and would be doing better if fmr Pres Trump had not turned half the Country against COVID mitigation techniques.


#31 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-11-29 03:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Now we know a lot more, how's Joe doing?

#30 | Posted by visitor_

Better than trump. What is your suggesting on how joe could make trumpers remove their anti vax brainwashing and get vaccinated? Tell them not to? Mandate it?

#32 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-11-29 03:34 PM | Reply

Now we know a lot more, how's Joe doing?

Very well. He gets his shots in public and promotes vaccinations for everyone.

www.pbs.org

#33 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-11-29 03:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Why does your alias want the United States to implement a policy here that does not seem to be working well in China?"

It's seems to be working extremely well in China. 1.4 million confirmed cases since the start of the pandemic and a few more than 5k deaths.

Compared to ~100 million confirmed cases in the US and a few more than one million dead.

#34 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-11-29 03:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Now we know so much more, we have vaccines etc. it's time to hold Biden accountable. Can't be more clear than that.

#25 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

If the Republicans don't want to participate in preventative measures or take the vaccines, there's not much Biden can do to help them. Republican's are just going to keep dying at higher rates. Now go kiss a COVID carrier.

#35 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2022-11-29 03:42 PM | Reply

"Pres Biden could be doing better, and would be doing better if fmr Pres Trump had not turned half the Country against COVID mitigation techniques."

Can only speak for myself, but I turned against "COVID mitigation techniques" when it became clear they were little more than a binky.

If you want to prevent the spread of COVID, you employ the China model. The only question is if the benefit is worth the cost. Many of our progressive friends here at DR have echoed the sentiments that one more death is too many.

#36 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-11-29 03:44 PM | Reply

"Now go kiss a COVID carrier."

I do. Pretty much every night.

In fact, at ~months, this is the longest my household has gone without someone in it having COVID.

My daughter did have the Flu the last couple of weeks. We had to take her to the doctor and everything. Even had to cancel a vacation to Bulgaria.

#37 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-11-29 03:46 PM | Reply

@#4 ... It's seems to be working extremely well in China. ...

The goal of China's policy was zero cases ("COVID Zero") through extreme lock-downs, e.g., people being physically locked in their apartment buildings.

China's extreme measures did not achieve their stated goal, as your post notes.

The extreme lock-downs did result in a lower transmission rate, and that was to be expected.



#38 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-11-29 03:47 PM | Reply

Would these variants exist if enough people had taken the effort to not get infected?

#39 | Posted by Tor at 2022-11-29 03:50 PM | Reply

@#36 ... "COVID mitigation techniques" when it became clear they were little more than a binky. ...

Vaccines are little more than a pacifier?

Wearing a mask (properly) is little more than a pacifier?


You'll have to try harder ...



#40 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-11-29 03:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The extreme lock-downs did result in a lower transmission rate, and that was to be expected."

COVID tangent-to-zero doesn't flow off the lips like COVID zero does.

#41 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-11-29 03:55 PM | Reply

"Would these variants exist if enough people had taken the effort to not get infected?"

You mean if they had locked themselves away, or been locked away forcefully from interacting with other humans? It probably would have an effect. But for most, catching COVID is an almost unnoticeable inconvenience when compared to being isolated from other humans for extended periods of time.

#42 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-11-29 03:58 PM | Reply

@#41 ... COVID tangent-to-zero doesn't flow off the lips like COVID zero does. ...

The target was, and still is, COVID-Zero.

The lockdowns were aggressive and extreme. They still are.

But they have an effect.

I'm not sure the point you are trying to make here?

Are you saying that the US should follow China's lead with the extreme lockdowns?



#43 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-11-29 04:06 PM | Reply

"Vaccines are little more than a pacifier?"

NO. Vaccines work. Not as designed or advertised. They don't keep you from catching it. They just keep you from getting sick if you catch it.

Masks are most definitely a binky. Which is why can put regions that required mask mandates and regions that didn't and come out with inconclusive evidence on the effectiveness of masks.

That's not to say that some masks did not offer the wearer a high level of protection, but those were generally frowned upon as well for protecting the wearer well, but no one else.

In Germany, intrductions of COVID measured were usually leading up to spikes in cases and death. Those measures seemed to do little or nothing.

#44 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-11-29 04:11 PM | Reply

"Are you saying that the US should follow China's lead with the extreme lockdowns?"

I'm saying that all lockdowns and mitigation measures are an infringement on individual rights. But if you think stopping the next COVID case is an essential task, then China is the model to emulate.

#45 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-11-29 04:13 PM | Reply

Can only speak for myself, but I turned against "COVID mitigation techniques" when it became clear they were little more than a binky.

#36 | Posted by madbomber

And even when it became clear that anti maskers and anti vaxxers were dying more than vaccinated masked people, you turned against reality and kept insisting the mitigation efforts dont work.

#46 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-11-29 04:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

@#44 ... Vaccines work. Not as designed or advertised. They don't keep you from catching it. They just keep you from getting sick if you catch it. ...

I'm not sure why the "Not as designed or advertised." phrase.

...They don't keep you from catching it. They just keep you from getting sick if you catch it. ...

The reporting and "advertising" I saw for the COVID vaccines were about how the vaccines had 90+% success in preventing serious COVID cases.

... That's not to say that some masks did not offer the wearer a high level of protection, but those were generally frowned upon as well for protecting the wearer well, but no one else. ...

So, in an operating room, the surgeons, and others present, wear masks to protect themselves, and the masks do little to protect the patient being operated on, patients who have their insides exposed to the open air?


#47 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-11-29 04:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

NO. Vaccines work. Not as designed or advertised. They don't keep you from catching it. They just keep you from getting sick if you catch it.

#44 | Posted by madbomber

They LOWER your chances of catching it and LOWER your chances of severe infection. That's how they're advertised.

#48 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-11-29 04:29 PM | Reply

@#45 ... I'm saying that all lockdowns and mitigation measures are an infringement on individual rights. ...

So is the requirement to stop at a red light.

The difference being that the COVID mitigations have been politicized.

#49 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-11-29 04:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I'm saying that all lockdowns and mitigation measures are an infringement on individual rights.
#45 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

To be a Conservative, you must first be a Victim.

#50 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-11-29 04:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I'm saying that all lockdowns and mitigation measures are an infringement on individual rights.
#45 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Let's say it is.
Is this infringement justified, or is such an infringement never justifiable, or does it depend on the circumstances?

#51 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-11-29 04:38 PM | Reply

"If you want to prevent the spread of COVID, you employ the China model."

Why? Has the China model been successful? No, it's failing before our very eyes.

#52 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-11-29 04:41 PM | Reply

"But if you think stopping the next COVID case is an essential task"

Nobody thinks that.

Pure straw man.

#53 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-11-29 04:41 PM | Reply

Can only speak for myself, but I turned against "COVID mitigation techniques" when it became clear they were little more than a binky.
#36 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Let me get make sure I understand this:
A binky explains why South Korea has 600 deaths per million but USA has 3300 deaths per million.
A binky accounts for an 80% reduction in the death toll.

Has it ever occurred to you that you are wrong?

#54 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-11-29 04:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

In Germany, intrductions of COVID measured were usually leading up to spikes in cases and death. Those measures seemed to do little or nothing.
#44 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

What were the measures intended to achieve? What did they do little or nothing of?

#55 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-11-29 04:47 PM | Reply

Is it really necessary to rehash the entire Covid thing again? Can't we just have the link to the M-50 gas mask and wrap it up?

#56 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-11-29 04:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Being brutally forced to wear a seatbelt is a car is an infringement on MB's rights.

He's ready to be revolting!

#57 | Posted by Corky at 2022-11-29 04:49 PM | Reply

Right wingers: Biden isn't doing enough.

Biden: You know wearing a mask and getting vaccinated is a good idea.

Right wingers: Tyranny!!!!

#58 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2022-11-29 04:55 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 6

Biden is doing great with his Covid response, just like in Ukraine. He is getting help to the sane and enabling the mass death of fascists.
Best POTUS evar!

MAGAts are going into the ground as fast as orcs in range of HIMARS.

#59 | Posted by bored at 2022-11-29 05:37 PM | Reply

Remember when Trump was a racist for trying to close the border and restrict flights from China and Granny Box Wine encouraged the Chinese New Year celebration?

#60 | Posted by visitor_ at 2022-11-29 06:06 PM | Reply

Remember when the 300 lb orange turd had to be choppered to Walter Reed? Those were the days.

#61 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2022-11-29 06:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

When nothing was known about Covid, Trump was blamed for it's spread and every case was his fault. Now we know so much more, we have vaccines etc. it's time to hold Biden accountable. Can't be more clear than that.

#25 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

Yeah, actually it could be.

Even though we didn't know a lot of specifics about SARS2 and COVID, general precautionary measures for respiratory infections and procedures for infectious diseases in general could and should have been implemented.

Trumps refusal to do so coupled with his constant downplaying of the situation meant he earned every single drop of derision sent his way.

The BS about Biden is tired, intentionally obtuse drivel. The bulk of the people who died under Biden were idiots who filtered their information through a partisan political lens and paid the price for it. Because Biden said "wear a mask, social distance, get vaccinated" about 30% of the country instinctively said "muh freedumz tell me to burn my masks, get as close to people as possible and act like I know enough to reject the vaccine and public health measures in general."

If there's a guy standing at a street corner saying "hey, it's really icy down that street, drive carefully and slowly" and 30% of drivers respond with "freedumz!!" and stomp on the gas and a significant proportion of them crash into trees and die or crash into other people and kill them, do you blame the guy on the street corner? No. But that's what you're saying we should do.

#62 | Posted by jpw at 2022-11-29 07:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's seems to be working extremely well in China. 1.4 million confirmed cases since the start of the pandemic and a few more than 5k deaths.
Compared to ~100 million confirmed cases in the US and a few more than one million dead.

#34 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

I always suspected you were a closet commie!

#63 | Posted by jpw at 2022-11-29 07:01 PM | Reply

My daughter did have the Flu the last couple of weeks. We had to take her to the doctor and everything. Even had to cancel a vacation to Bulgaria.

#37 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Influenza that lasted a few weeks?

You sure all the COVID you swore was harmless hasn't damaged her lungs?

#64 | Posted by jpw at 2022-11-29 07:04 PM | Reply

NO. Vaccines work. Not as designed or advertised. They don't keep you from catching it. They just keep you from getting sick if you catch it.

Which is exactly what they were designed and tested to do.

Inhibiting transmission was an unexpected benefit against the ancestral strain it was designed against. Not surprisingly, that effect went away with new variants and increasingly fell with more distant variants like delta and omicron.

Masks are most definitely a binky. Which is why can put regions that required mask mandates and regions that didn't and come out with inconclusive evidence on the effectiveness of masks.

Except there were several large studies by the CDC using county by county data showing much less test positivity, decreased hospitalizations and deaths in counties with mask mandates. Of course, the caveat is that overall mitigation implementation may have been higher, but it's not nearly what you claim it to be.

That's not to say that some masks did not offer the wearer a high level of protection, but those were generally frowned upon as well for protecting the wearer well, but no one else.
In Germany, intrductions of COVID measured were usually leading up to spikes in cases and death. Those measures seemed to do little or nothing.

#44 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

You yourself have admitted people disregarded them, no?

#65 | Posted by jpw at 2022-11-29 07:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I'm saying that all lockdowns and mitigation measures are an infringement on individual rights.

LOL Oh God. I wonder what Reagen would think of the hysterical sandy gashes that claim to be his followers these days.

#66 | Posted by jpw at 2022-11-29 07:09 PM | Reply

Remember when Trump was a racist for trying to close the border and restrict flights from China and Granny Box Wine encouraged the Chinese New Year celebration?

#60 | Posted by visitor_

Remember when trump was stupid for thinking that restricting flights from one country would stop a pandemic?

#67 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-11-29 07:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Let Spork Foot have the final word.

Marjorie Taylor Greene

@mtgreenee

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So many people still wearing masks.

I just want to ask you.

If a pair of underwear, really thick ones, high quality cotton, can't protect you from a fart, then how will a mask protect you from covid??
7:35 PM Nov 28, 2022

#68 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2022-11-29 09:28 PM | Reply

@#68

OMG, the ignorance.

Vapors vs airborne particles. Is she oblivious to the difference?

But more important to me...

Is this really the level of ignorance that her constituents in the 14th district of Georgia want to tie their cart to?

I mean really...

What does this say about the good folk who elected her to represent them? Do they understand what she is doing to their district?



#69 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-11-29 09:58 PM | Reply

"And even when it became clear that anti maskers..."

I'm an anti-masker.

Still here, bro.

#70 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-11-30 03:07 PM | Reply

"I'm not sure why the "Not as designed or advertised." phrase."

The original messaging from both Trump, and to a far greater degree Biden, was that the vaccine would keep you from catching the virus as well as keeping you from getting overly sick. Remember no masks by the 4th of July (2021)?

#71 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-11-30 03:09 PM | Reply

I'm an anti-masker.
Still here, bro.

All he said was that they die more, not that all of them die.

But you've got to be pretty bad at reading to be an "anti-masker," so this tracks.

#72 | Posted by JOE at 2022-11-30 03:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"So, in an operating room, the surgeons, and others present, wear masks to protect themselves, and the masks do little to protect the patient being operated on, patients who have their insides exposed to the open air?"

Do you think that may have something to do with the fact that the person being operated on is opened up?

Let's answer it this way. Had you gone in for a surgery consultation in March of 2017, do you think the surgeon (or you) would have been wearing a mask? That same surgeon would absolutely have been wearing a mask during a consultation in March of 2021.

#73 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-11-30 03:12 PM | Reply

"Do you think that may have something to do with the fact that the person being operated on is opened up?"

It has everything to do with that.

Do you think the ACE2 receptors in your mucus membranes are not likewise opened up?

#74 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-11-30 03:14 PM | Reply

"The original messaging from both Trump, and to a far greater degree Biden, was that the vaccine would keep you from catching the virus as well as keeping you from getting overly sick."

Okay.

What do they know about novel disease?

I would have listened to a medical professional like Fauci over a politician.

#75 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-11-30 03:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"If a pair of underwear, really thick ones, high quality cotton, can't protect you from a fart, then how will a mask protect you from covid??"

Hey MTG,

When was the last time a fart killed a million Americans?

#76 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-11-30 03:19 PM | Reply

Mtg doesn't know the difference between a solid and a gas

#77 | Posted by truthhurts at 2022-11-30 03:21 PM | Reply

Neither does MadBomber.

#78 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-11-30 03:26 PM | Reply

"The difference being that the COVID mitigations have been politicized."

Sure. Got it. The US had an idiot reality TV star as president, and he did EXACTLY what you would expect a reality TV star to do.

I lived in Germany during that time. The big difference here is that the policies were largely national and not dependent on what state you were in. So it's easier to paint the picture.

Here is a graph of COVID cases from the beginning:

www.google.com

Here is the timeline:

Mid-March 2020-Closure of non-essential businesses
Late-April 2020-Mandatory Mask Mandates
July 2020-businesses re-open
Early November 2020-Closure of Non-Essential Businesses
February 2021-Federal government formally takes all powers related to health from the states, imposes nationwide curfew between 2100-0500
May 2021-Businesses permitted to re-open for fully vaccinated patrons
March 2022-mask mandate ends (except for public transportation. Please note that this was during the highest point of COVID cases in Germany

If you compare the timeline of imposed regulation and changes in the number of COVID cases, there is no correlation. You don't need to run some sort of regression analysis to see this. And you're being severly dishonest to claim you can discerne a pattern.

Your best argument would be to say that it would have been worse, but given the data even that would be difficult to justify.

#79 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-11-30 03:43 PM | Reply

"A binky explains why South Korea has 600 deaths per million but USA has 3300 deaths per million."

No.

Masks didn't do that. Lockdowns did. Just like in China.

No need for masks when humans aren't permitted to interact with one another. Not really any need for masks if they do. They're not going to help much.

#80 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-11-30 03:45 PM | Reply

"Masks didn't do that. Lockdowns did. Just like in China."

That's incorrect.

Testing is what South Korea had, which America did not have.

Korea did an Operation Warp Speed for testing. If we had done that, Trump could have saved many lives and likely would still be President.

#81 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-11-30 03:49 PM | Reply

"If you compare the timeline of imposed regulation and changes in the number of COVID cases, there is no correlation"

Correlation to what?

The things you should be correlating here are vacant hospital beds and COVID
specific restrictions.

#82 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-11-30 03:51 PM | Reply

"You yourself have admitted people disregarded them, no?"

Disregarded what? Masks that protected the wearer?

They were not even permitted in my workspace.

If we're being honest, and I am, the worst outcomes of COVID were due to the notion of egalitarianism uber alles. If one person couldn't safely go to a bar, then no one could. If everyone employed at a school wasn't equally safe, then schools need to be closed. If restaurants weren't safe for everyone, they would be close to everyone.

And no one, regardless of political stripe, really put up much protest, because there was insufficient evidence to determine who was actually at risk. As time when on, and evidence poured in in the form of millions and millions of data points, it became clear which demographics were at risk, and which weren't. Yet policy never changed to account for the refined understanding of risk. It was egalitarianism uber alles, uber alles.

#83 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-11-30 03:53 PM | Reply

Testing is what South Korea had, which America did not have.

Germany had testing. On every street corner. Starting ~May 2021.

They still have testing.

#84 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-11-30 03:55 PM | Reply

Just shut the ---- up, you idiot.

#85 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-11-30 04:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Testing is what South Korea had, which America did not have.
Germany had testing. On every street corner. Starting ~May 2021."

And the United States did not. And the United States has 3300 deaths per million to Germany's (checks notes) 1800 deaths per million.
The US has roughly twice the death rate of Germany, because of things Trump didn't do.

#86 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-11-30 04:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"the worst outcomes of COVID were due to the notion of egalitarianism uber alles"

Which outcomes are the worst outcomes of COVID?

#87 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-11-30 04:43 PM | Reply

"I would have listened to a medical professional like Fauci over a politician."

Was that when Fauci was saying that masks should be mandatory, or that masks really weren't effective?

#88 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-12-01 01:04 AM | Reply

Trump will go down as the worst germaphobe in human history.

Complete paranoia when it comes to his own health the complete indifference when it comes to the health of others.

#89 | Posted by Tor at 2022-12-01 01:06 AM | Reply

Everyone is different. I don't like being fed a line of --------. From approximately March 2020-March 2022, the governments of most countries were feeding their people lines of --------. Especially in the early half of the pandemic, the scientific community had limited data points on COVID, and therefore could not have been reasonably expected to advise on any sort of reasonable policy, OTHER than prevent humans from interacting with each other. So they implemented policies and pushed narratives that gave the appearance of effectiveness, in some cases, like Germany because of how painful the measures were. If medicine tastes bad, it must be effective, right?

Perhaps my biggest problem with the whole fiasco was that the scientific community did not speak up once they did start to capture significant data points. When they were able to determine who was at risk and who wasn't. The narrative within the DoD was that vaccines were lifesaving, and therefore mandatory, despite the fact that, out of the hundreds of thousands of confirmed cases with the DoD, there were hundreds that resulted in hospitalizations and a handful of deaths. And those deaths would have likely been prevented had the direction from the military medical community been for SMs to go home and isolate. The ones that died tended to do so in isolation. When the DoD is telling a young marine that their life depends on a vaccine, they probably understand that it's not really true.

Bottom line, there was too much guessing, too much dishonesty, and too much paternalism. Fortunately, it appears that governments across the world have abandoned faulty COVID policies. If DEU were applying the same policy today based on the number of new cases, we would still be wearing masks and enduring lock downs. Fortunately, that has gone away.

#90 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-12-01 01:19 AM | Reply

mad has obviously been deeply offended by the masks, and other preventative measures that are associated with milder illness and less death from COVID.

These preventative measures are largely non-invasive, yet mad et al. cry like little babies about it.

Its a surefire bet that mad doesn't wash is hands in the bathroom. Gross!

#91 | Posted by horstngraben at 2022-12-01 01:48 AM | Reply

"These preventative measures are largely non-invasive, yet mad et al. cry like little babies about it."

So...coupla things.

First, if masks are so impactful, why did they only become a necessity in spring 2020.

Second, if masks were so impactful, then why didn't that fact present itself in the numbers?

I don't have any problem with people choosing to wear a mask if it makes them feel safer. What I have a problem with is people demanding that others wear masks so that those making the demands feel safer. Especially when there are masks available that are designed and highly effective at protecting the wearer.

#92 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-12-01 02:38 PM | Reply

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