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Thursday, December 01, 2022

The Pentagon is considering a proposal to supply Ukraine with cheap, small precision bombs fitted onto abundantly available rockets, allowing Kyiv to strike far behind Russian lines as the West struggles to meet the demand for more weapons.

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We eye war so much faster than healthcare or shelter for our own people. Is war more important than veterans? Oh well, we need an enemy to feel safe.

#1 | Posted by Brennnn at 2022-11-28 06:33 PM | Reply

Tell that to Putin, -----. He started this mess.

#2 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-11-28 11:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Putin Will Carpet-Bomb Ukraine Unless the West Acts
www.washingtonpost.com

...The strategically vital city of Kherson is back in the hands of Ukrainians, albeit under threat of Russian shelling and attacks on its electricity supply. But as combatants on both sides of an increasingly static firing line prepare for winter war, there are effectively two separate conflicts emerging: one on the land, the other in the air. What can the West do to help Ukraine meet the immediate tactical challenges, and ultimately seize the longer-term advantage?

On land, the arrival of a wet, rainy fall and a harsh winter will lead to a decrease in operations. Both Russia and Ukraine need to rest and reinforce their troops, as well as repair equipment. A return to full-blown combat operations isn't likely until late winter when the ground freezes, presenting a better opportunity for the heaviest equipment.

Russia will particularly struggle to fill the holes in its forward combat operations, thanks to low motivation and a failing draft. As 200,000-300,000 young men "under threat of conscription "have departed Russia for sanctuary in bordering nations, Russian president Vladimir Putin has resorted to conscripting criminals, the homeless, and drunks rounded up in bars. Ukraine faces challenges too, but not of motivation "its citizens, fighting an existential war, are mighty motivated. The Ukrainian challenge stems from having a far smaller population " only about a third of Russia's.

Ukraine will also have a major advantage in supplies. The West will continue to provide not only the high-tech weapons that receive most of the publicity but also the bread and butter of infantry operations: guns, mortars, ammunition, fuel, trucks, night-vision devices, cold weather gear, portable stoves, point-to-point communications equipment. In contrast, Russian conscripts have been told to find their own sleeping bags and improvise bandages from tampons.

But the challenge in the land war will be a classic military fact of the battlefield: Advantage in ground war accrues to the defensive side. Military theory says you need a 3:1 advantage on offense to conquer a well-dug in defense. Ironically, as the Ukrainians succeed in taking back big chunks of previously conquered territory, the Russian defensive positions compress and become harder to overrun. But given Ukrainian advantages in materiel and motivation, I'd rather have their hand of cards.

So the land war advantage goes to the Ukrainians, although the fighting will be hard. But what about the other war, the one in the sky?

In the air war over Ukraine, the advantage accrues to the Russians. First and foremost, they have a vastly larger air force, one that has seen significant combat experience in Syria. Russian air forces routinely pounded Syrian cities into dust, dropping indiscriminate "dumb bombs" by the thousands, seeking to simply destroy any support for the rebels fighting Putin's ally Bashar al-Assad.

Sadly, this carpet bombing proved very effective, and Putin seems inclined to try and copy it in Ukraine. The new general appointed to oversee the Ukraine war is the leader of Russia's air force, a man known for his Syrian atrocities. The strategy is simple: Grind down the Ukrainian electric grid and water distribution system to break the public's morale by literally freezing them out of their increasingly uninhabitable homes....


#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-11-29 02:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#3 | Posted by LampLighter

That air force is rather rapidly shrinking though. They still don't dare fly over Ukraine except low level rocket barrage flights and then they often pay the price. They don't offer up their advanced aircraft anymore as they fall out of the sky just like the old ones. I haven't read of any KA-52 attacks in a while - because they well over 50% destroyed. I think it was nearing 75%.

Where it is bad is they are launching missiles well still well over Russia at Ukraine. Most of the offensive missiles they have left are ship or plane launched.

I hope we do end up sending Patriot systems over. The longer the range we send them the better. GLSDB should be just a start. Send them something that can reach out to places like Engels airfield.

#4 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2022-11-30 06:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Send them something that can reach out to places like Engels airfield.

They could give them a few B-1 Lancers with China flags painted on them!

#5 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-11-30 06:23 PM | Reply

"we need an enemy to feel safe."

Maybe in your country Ukraine is an enemy but in America we view those resisting Putinism as freedom fighters.

#6 | Posted by Tor at 2022-11-30 06:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

We eye war so much faster than healthcare or shelter for our own people. Is war more important than veterans? Oh well, we need an enemy to feel safe.

#1 | Posted by Brennnn

I didn't feel very safe when putin installed a russian operative in the white house, did you?

#7 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-12-01 02:22 PM | Reply

We eye war so much faster than healthcare or shelter for our own people.

Who is this "we" you speak of?

Republicans view tax cuts for the wealthy before healthcare, shelter, war or democracy itself.

#8 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-12-01 02:30 PM | Reply

If Ukraine does get long range rockets that can reach Moscow, we will risk losing Effeteposer from this site.

#9 | Posted by moder8 at 2022-12-01 02:30 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

If Ukraine does get long range rockets that can reach Moscow, we will risk losing Effeteposer from this site.

#9 | Posted by moder8

The troll farm actually operates out of st petersberg.

#10 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-12-01 02:35 PM | Reply

It's almost double the range of the HIMARS missile we sent over but for up to 30% less cost per launch. The savings won't quite work out since it's all being expedited and normal oversight waived because it's a rush job.

#11 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2022-12-01 02:42 PM | Reply

#3

The Russians lack the capacity to carpet bomb virtually any part of free Ukraine. In fact it's entirely likely that even their cruise missile strikes will be rendered ineffective with the arrival of the NASAMs system, which has so far had a 100% success rate in shooting down incoming missiles.

NASAMs is the same system used to defend the National Capitol Region here in the US.

#12 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-12-01 02:45 PM | Reply

#10

With Finnish Ascension to NATO, St. Pete will be held at risk in a way that would have previously been impossible.

#13 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-12-01 02:48 PM | Reply

WH needs to go ahead and send over ATACMS. The bridge into Crimea can be finished off and what's left of the Black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol forced to back to Novorossiysk. Crimea overrun by Spring. Gotta move fast, Russians may get organized next year.

#14 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2022-12-01 02:48 PM | Reply

ATACMS wouldn't be suitable for the Kerch bridge. Unless you just wanted to make some scuff marks.

#15 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-12-01 02:59 PM | Reply

I do not know if ATACM would do the trick, but I certainly have no doubt whatsoever that the US does have weapons in our arsenal which we could provide to The Ukraine that would utterly destroy that bridge. So long as it is not a WMD, I think we should do it.

#16 | Posted by moder8 at 2022-12-01 03:18 PM | Reply

Constant escalation. More WAR. MOAR WAR!!!

Is the fight worth it? For whom?

Just give up the Donbass, that's the ticket.

Crimea is Long Gone......

A little reality please.

#17 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-12-01 03:34 PM | Reply

Constant escalation. More WAR. MOAR WAR!!!

Is the fight worth it? For whom?

Just give up the Donbass, that's the ticket.

Crimea is Long Gone......

A little reality please.

#17 | Posted by Effeteposer

Yes the path to peace is letting tyrants steal your land.

Just like the path to popularity in school is letting bullies steal your lunch money.

#18 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-12-01 03:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#17 ... Is the fight worth it? ...

Ask Pres Putin if his unprovoked invasion of a sovereign Ukraine for the purpose of annexing and eliminating Ukraine is worth it.

Ukraine is just defending itself from Putin's unprovoked invasion.


Pres Putin could stop his unprovoked invasion if he wanted to.

#19 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-12-01 03:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#17 ... A little reality please. ...

OK.

What do the talking points you seem to be issued say about Pres Putin stopping his goal to eliminate Ukraine should Ukraine just give him the lands he currently occupies?

#20 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-12-01 04:00 PM | Reply

America has a space craft getting reading to circle the moon.

Mean while Russia has Ukraine circling for the kill.

#21 | Posted by Tor at 2022-12-01 06:43 PM | Reply

ATACMS wouldn't be suitable for the Kerch bridge. Unless you just wanted to make some scuff marks.

#15 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER AT 2022-12-01 02:59 PM | FLAG:

There's a model that throws a 500 pound penetrator. I'd bet you can poke enough holes in some spans to make it unusable for awhile.

#22 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2022-12-01 08:41 PM | Reply

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