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Friday, December 02, 2022

Edward Snowden, a former National Security Agency contractor who leaked information about U.S. surveillance programs, swore an oath of allegiance to Russia and has collected his Russian passport, his lawyer told state media on Friday.

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Let me get this straight...

He leaked national security information about the US because he believed it was morally wrong...but then he joins Russia?

#1 | Posted by Sycophant at 2022-12-02 03:44 PM | Reply

"...but then he joins Russia?"

Dude's got issues.

#2 | Posted by Angrydad at 2022-12-02 04:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Looking forward to his mobilization.

Maybe ----- Pooty will be more tolerant of espionage than the meanies in the US. Or maybe the sledgehammer is descending towards Snowden's head at this very moment.

#3 | Posted by censored at 2022-12-02 04:03 PM | Reply

Hereafter referred to as OneDeflatedNut. Or OneFatPoofter.

#4 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-12-02 04:06 PM | Reply

... swore an oath of allegiance to Russia ...

I would not be surprised if he had done that years ago, while he worked for the US.

#5 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-12-02 04:32 PM | Reply

"I would not be surprised if he had done that years ago, while he worked for the US."

Why? Is there any evidence he had links to Russia prior to his passport being canceled while he was transiting through it?

#6 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-12-02 05:21 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Those green fatigues look good on Eddie. Now, get some boots, a heavy coat, gloves and a gun and meet your platoon sergeant down there in Donbas. He might have a helmet for you...

#7 | Posted by catdog at 2022-12-02 05:27 PM | Reply

F him and all the skidmarks who ever praised him.

You people should be deported to Russia.

#8 | Posted by Tor at 2022-12-02 05:35 PM | Reply

@#6 ... Is there any evidence he had links to Russia prior to his passport being canceled while he was transiting through it? ...

Why would there be if the job were doe correctly?

But to your point, yeah, I got nothing beyond a faint suspicion. Thanks for asking me to explain.

That is why I stated my comment as "I would not be surprised if..." instead of "he probably was..." or even "he was..."


#9 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-12-02 06:13 PM | Reply

Where's my little lefty nuggets who claimed this man was an American hero?

The man is a traitorous pig full of himself just like Assange.

#10 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2022-12-02 06:59 PM | Reply

@#10 ... Where's my little lefty nuggets who claimed this man was an American hero? ...

Yeah... I always used to argue against that appellation of Mr Snowden.

I did not, and still do not, think he was a hero in any shape manner or form.

For the same reason I stated back in the day...

Heroes do not run away to the enemy.

If Mr Snowden were a real hero, he would have stood up and accepted the consequences of what he did.


But he ran and hid....


#11 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-12-02 07:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"claimed this man was an American hero? ... "

So you are ok with what he revealed about us?

As for him being a American hero. I don't know about that.

We'll see. Only time will tell.

I do know this. There is only one way he would ever get out of Russia alive.

That's with a passport and Putin letting him leave. Which it looks like he may have been able to accomplish.

Let's see where he decides to go.

#12 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-12-02 07:17 PM | Reply

@#12 ... So you are ok with what he revealed about us? ...

I did not say that.

And in answer to your question, a simple "no." I am not okay with what he revealed. But that topic is probably a whole 'nuther thread.

What I am not OK with is someone being called an American hero when that person runs and hides (with the enemy!!!).

To me that cheapens all the real American Heroes in our midst.


#13 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-12-02 07:45 PM | Reply

"@#10 ... Where's my little lefty nuggets who claimed this man was an American hero? ..."

You can do heroic things but it doesn't always make you're a hero.

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-12-02 07:47 PM | Reply

Just because he's a zero in this instance doesn't mean he can't be hero in the previous instance.

#15 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2022-12-02 07:49 PM | Reply

@#13 ... I am not okay with what he revealed. ...

Clarification:

This is difficult to word correctly. Lemme try again...

The abuses of our government he exposed were good to get out in the open. And I do not denigrate him for doing that.

The problem I have with calling him a hero is not due to what he revealed, but that he ran and hid with an enemy.

After making those revelations, he should have stood up and accepted the consequences for his actions.



#16 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-12-02 07:52 PM | Reply

"@#12 ... So you are ok with what he revealed about us? ..."

Okay with us doing it, or okay with us knowing about it?

My answers are yes, not so much.

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-12-02 07:53 PM | Reply

"Why would there be if the job were doe correctly?"

It seems like you're giving the Russians too much credit here. If they were so clever that they managed to manipulate the U.S. into canceling his passport while he was transiting through Moscow, and he supposedly went along with it, then why would we even still be hearing about him? And why aren't they still that clever?

"Heroes do not run away to the enemy.
If Mr Snowden were a real hero, he would have stood up and accepted the consequences of what he did."

I do not and have never described Snowden as a hero, but I disagree with this premise. Would you apply this same standard to an asylum seeker coming to the U.S. who was being persecuted for exposing serious crimes or injustice within their own country?

#18 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-12-02 07:57 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Snowden has argued that he would not be able to get a fair trial because a jury would not be allowed to consider any arguments as to whether his actions were justified by the circumstances. Regardless of whether you think he's right or wrong, if he genuinely believes that his actions were justified then it was logical for him to seek asylum in another country. It's not like he had a lot of choices when looking for countries that wouldn't extradite him to the one that was promising to lock him up for life.

#19 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-12-02 07:59 PM | Reply

"And I do not denigrate him for doing that.

The problem I have with calling him a hero is not due to what he revealed, but that he ran and hid with an enemy."

He ran because he knew he would never see the light of day if Americans got their hands on him for revealing top secret documents. He is not a billionaire being protected by the Republicans after all.

It's my understanding that he ended up in Russian hands because of Americans incompetence. I dont think Russia was his first choice of where he wanted to end up.

As for what he revealed we may have become slightly better because of it. Not even sure if that anymore.

At least we know now what our own government is capable of and was doing (and probably still doing) to its own population. Not that it really changed anything. Except maybe our own awareness.

To be clear. I don't see him as an American hero. Just another American who tried to do what he thought was right but ended up in way over his head.

#20 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-12-02 08:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#18 ... It seems like you're giving the Russians too much credit here. ...

Maybe, maybe not.

As I said, i don't know.

#21 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-12-02 08:06 PM | Reply

@#18,#19 ... Snowden has argued that he would not be able to get a fair trial ...

So, he seems to have known that even before his revelation.

... if he genuinely believes that his actions were justified then it was logical for him to seek asylum in another country. ...

Oh, I have no issue with him running to the enemy for asylum. If that is his choice, so be it.

... Would you apply this same standard to an asylum seeker coming to the U.S. who was being persecuted for exposing serious crimes or injustice within their own country? ...

Is the United States the enemy of that Country?

But, more specific to the topic of my comments, the question should be whether or not the people of that home country would want that person to be a hero in the home country. That is not for me to decide.

... Regardless of whether you think he's right or wrong, if he genuinely believes that his actions were justified ...

I am not talking about right or wrong.

I've been quite specific. Running and hiding.

I do not think a person is a hero who runs and hides with the enemy.

It is really a simple concept.



#22 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-12-02 08:15 PM | Reply

I don't see him as an American hero.

I see him as an American folk hero. Wanting to do the right thing, for the right reasons. But the government, which GasLighter is a government asset, didn't like its dirty laundry exposed.

The problem I have with calling him a hero is not due to what he revealed, but that he ran and hid with an enemy.

So you considered him a hero when he flew to Hong Kong? Or do you consider Hong Kong an American enemy as well?

Related:

U.S. court: Mass surveillance program exposed by Snowden was illegal.
web.archive.org

#23 | Posted by oneironaut at 2022-12-02 08:17 PM | Reply

@#20 ... He ran because he knew he would never see the light of day if Americans got their hands on him ...

That's a pretty poor view of our Justice system, doncha think?

Who knows? Paranoia run wild?

Regardless, I still say (as I have said back in the day), he ran and hid with the enemy. I do not view him as a hero.


#24 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-12-02 08:20 PM | Reply

@#23 ... I see him as an American folk hero. Wanting to do the right thing, for the right reasons. ...

Still trying to get that "hero" appellation on him, eh?

He ran and hid.

That is not what heros do.

... So you considered him a hero when he flew to Hong Kong? ...

Was Hong Kong his ultimate destination? That he wound up in Russia negates your comment. Hong Kong looked like a stopover. Why did he choose that route?

... U.S. court: Mass surveillance program exposed by Snowden was illegal. ...

I do not deny that. I have never denied that. Indeed, I have said it was good that he exposed that.

So what's yer point?

#25 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-12-02 08:30 PM | Reply

"American folk hero"

Bonnie and Clyde for example.

He's like a Chaocitc Neutral Unabomer if you ask me.

And in his mind he's true neutral.

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-12-02 08:51 PM | Reply

"If Mr Snowden were a real hero, he would have stood up and accepted the consequences of what he did."

You're describing Civil Disobedience. That's guaranteed life in prison for matters of national security.

So no. This ain't a bus seat, kid.

Did George Washington ever face the consequences for what he did to the British?

---- how stupid your brainwashed way of thinking is.

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-12-02 08:56 PM | Reply

"If Mr Snowden were a real hero, he would have stood up and accepted the consequences of what he did."

But I like the idea that the only reason George Floyd is a hero is because Nazis killed him. He didn't "do" anything other than be a Jew.

Oops did I say George Floyd? I meant Anne Frank.

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-12-02 09:01 PM | Reply

@#27 ... So no. This ain't a bus seat, kid. ...

I didn't say it was.

... Did George Washington ever face the consequences for what he did to the British? ...

Yes, he did. It is called the Revolutionary War.

George Washington did not run away from his beliefs to an enemy, he stood his ground.

... ---- how stupid your brainwashed way of thinking is. ...

Huh?

You need to be more specific.

@#28 ... But I like the idea that the only reason George Floyd is a hero is because Nazis killed him. He didn't "do" anything other than be a Jew.

Oops did I say George Floyd? I meant Anne Frank. ...

Are you really trying to equate Mr Snowden with Anne Frank? If so, you've god a long row to hoe.




#29 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-12-02 09:17 PM | Reply

Did George Washington ever face the consequences for what he did to the British? ...
......

Oh hell no somebody needs to f*** start your brain son you are a royal f****** c*** if you for a second compared George Washington and Edward snowden.

#30 | Posted by Tor at 2022-12-02 09:34 PM | Reply

"But, more specific to the topic of my comments, the question should be whether or not the people of that home country would want that person to be a hero in the home country. That is not for me to decide."

But it seems that you have decided that person should not be considered a hero, regardless of what the circumstances are, if they seek asylum with an "enemy". As I recall, Russia was not even considered an enemy of the U.S. in 2013, since it was before the Crimea annexation and the ensuing sanctions.

As to the earlier point,

"Is the United States the enemy of that Country?"

Why should that be relevant, in general? If two different asylum seekers were being persecuted for doing the exact same thing, your premise implies that could be considered heroic and the other not simply because they come from different countries.

#31 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-12-02 09:49 PM | Reply


@#31 ... But it seems that you have decided that person should not be considered a hero, regardless of what the circumstances are, ...

Where did I say that?

Please provide a quote.

I have always stated that a hero does not run and hide.

Please provide evidence to the contrary.

... But it seems that you have decided that person should not be considered a hero, regardless of what the circumstances are, if they seek asylum with an "enemy" ...

No, that Mr Snowden hid in Russia was more of the cherry on top of the sundae, but not the sundae itself.

In other words. my beef with Mr Snowden being deemed a "hero" was that he ran and hid. That is a simple statement that so many, oh so many, people seem to be unable or intentionally reluctance to understand.

Let me say it again, maybe your alias will understand it this thime...

Mr Snowden is not a hero, in my eyes, because he ran and hid.

The place to which he ran and hid is incidental to that comment.

Yeah I mentioned that Russia is an enemy. Notice "is" present tense.

Deal with it.



#32 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-12-02 10:07 PM | Reply

"Was Hong Kong his ultimate destination? That he wound up in Russia negates your comment. Hong Kong looked like a stopover. Why did he choose that route?"

He was obviously playing it by ear, at that point. There's no evidence that Russia was intended as his ultimate destination or anything more than a stopover either. If it was, then that was on hell of coincidence/conspiracy that his passport just happened to be canceled when he arrived there, and he had to wait 40 days before they let him leave the airport.

#33 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-12-02 10:12 PM | Reply

@#33 ... He was obviously playing it by ear, at that point ...

I'm not convinced.

... there's no evidence that Russia was intended as his ultimate destination ...

So you agree.


Going back to my original assertion...

Mr Snowden is not a hero.

He chose to run and hide.

He is not a hero.


Sooo... what else ya got...


#34 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-12-02 10:22 PM | Reply

"Mr Snowden is not a hero, in my eyes, because he ran and hid.
The place to which he ran and hid is incidental to that comment.
Yeah I mentioned that Russia is an enemy. Notice "is" present tense."

Okay, so you're moving the goal posts here. Fine. So now you're saying a person should not be considered a hero regardless of where they run and hide. A person's actions cannot ever be considered a heroic unless they're willing to completely sacrifice their life or livelihood afterwards. That is what you're implying.

#35 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-12-02 10:24 PM | Reply


@#35 ... Okay, so you're moving the goal posts here....So now you're saying a person should not be considered a hero regardless of where they run and hide. ...

Oh please, I am not moving anything. Your comments are trying to move the goalposts in a failed attempt to justify the comments.

I have always said that Mr Snowden is not a hero, in my eyes, because he ran and hid.

Regardless of where he ran to.

Do try harder to support your position.

... A person's actions cannot ever be considered a heroic unless they're willing to completely sacrifice their life or livelihood afterwards. That is what you're implying. ..

No, I disagree.

Let me state it once more, because for some reason your alias seems to have difficulty understanding a simple statement... (intentional?)

I do not consider Mr Snowden to be a hero because he ran and hid.

See, simple. (at least it is for me)

So, now, instead of your alias trying to kick up more sand, why not just address that statement?

Let me say it once more... I do not consider Mr Snowden to be a hero because he ran and hid.

Yer up..


#36 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-12-02 10:38 PM | Reply

"I do not consider Mr Snowden to be a hero because he ran and hid."

I'm assuming here you're not applying one rule to Mr Snowden and another to everyone else. So, if we extend it to in general, you're saying "do not consider anyone to be a hero if they run and hide" afterwards. I'm just pointing out where your stated argument is problematic. Don't take it personally.

#37 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-12-02 10:58 PM | Reply

@#37 ... you're saying "do not consider anyone to be a hero if they run and hide" ...

Yup. I've stated that repeatedly.

Please educate me. If your argument is valid, I will change my opinion.

But, so far, I've not seen anything to that purpose.

#38 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-12-02 11:13 PM | Reply

Take, for example, the act of exposing or interceding in acts of police brutality. Many would consider that a heroic act, and if the person was being persecuted by the police or local government then fleeing from that persecution would not have any bearing on whether or not that person acted heroically. Otherwise it's kind of like saying if you warn people about a tiger you cannot be considered a hero unless you sacrifice yourself to the tiger for dinner.

#39 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-12-02 11:51 PM | Reply

"That's a pretty poor view of our Justice system, doncha think?"

Snowden would have been disappeared into a dungeon almost immediately and Trumpy still walks free.

And too many innocent Americans have been executed by our justice system. One is too many.

And since 1973, at least 190 people who had been wrongly convicted and sentenced to death in the U.S. have been exonerated.

So Yeah. It's not the worst DOJ in the world but I am not really all that impressed with our Justice system these days.

#40 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-12-03 12:04 AM | Reply

@#39 . ... Take, for example, the act of exposing or interceding in acts of police brutality. Many would consider that a heroic act...

I would say that is a brave act. And I have commented on the cell phone videos on this most august site to that end.

But not a heroic act. Or is your comment implying that the person's life is in danger via the police for filming that video? If so, then we've got a whole 'nuther issue to discuss. Please start a new thread for that.

However, your comment does raise a quite interesting aspect to this conversation. The aspect of a propensity for retaliation by the local law enforcement for documenting, let's just say, digressions of local law enforcement.

But, at this point, I am not convinced whether the issue your comment raises is more a deflection, or an actual talking point.

If it is the latter, I would welcome that thread.

#41 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-12-03 12:06 AM | Reply

"The aspect of a propensity for retaliation by the local law enforcement for documenting, let's just say, digressions of local law enforcement."

Being a whistleblower can be very dangerous.

At a minimum you will never work in your chosen career field ever again.

And you will be lucky if that's all that happens to you or family in some cases.

#42 | Posted by donnerboy at 2022-12-03 12:38 AM | Reply

Snowden knew that his actions would help Putin's Fascism and he went ahead and did it anyhow.

#43 | Posted by Tor at 2022-12-03 02:16 AM | Reply

"America did something bad so I'm going to become a citizen of Russia which is actively commiting genocide and about to mobilize 300,000 in a couple months. I hope I get to join in."
- Snowden

#44 | Posted by censored at 2022-12-03 09:38 AM | Reply

"America did something bad so I'm going to become a citizen of Russia which is actively commiting genocide and about to mobilize 300,000 in a couple months. I hope I get to join in."
- Snowden

#44 | POSTED BY CENSORED AT 2022-12-03 09:38 AM | REPLY |

You have a link for that?

#45 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2022-12-03 10:43 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

We are not at war with Russia. They are not an official enemy. In 2013 this was even more the case. Snowden revealed things that embarassed and undermined the government.

Things that the government was doing to it's own people and abroad. Needless to say they want him for an example.

They wanted a show trial or a secret tribunal depending on what else he could say in court. Or he could have just "fallen ill" unexpectedly in custody. He thwarted those plans.

Good for him.

America needed to know what he revealed. For all the good it will do.

#46 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-12-03 10:50 AM | Reply

They are not an official enemy

#46 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER

De facto enemy.

#47 | Posted by Zed at 2022-12-03 10:58 AM | Reply

"I would say that is a brave act...
But not a heroic act."

Potato, potahto. The same logic still applies. If someone is literally being hunted with dire consequences for their livelihood, the act of running away has no bearing on whether the original act was brave/heroic/whatever qualifier you choose to describe it.

If you want to say he's not a hero because you don't believe the benefit to society outweighs the risk or damage of what he did to national security, that's a more valid and defensible viewpoint.

#48 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-12-03 11:28 AM | Reply

National Security is usually --------. They were embarassed.

They knew they ------ up and wanted to shut up the whistleblower.

He made the government look corrupt and paranoid. Which it is.

National Security is what Bush invoked to invade Iraq.

It's a Real Shame the threats they scared Congress with were almost all LIES.

Snowden in 2003 could have saved thousands of lives.

Liars hate being exposed for what they are.

The get irrationally vindictive.

#49 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-12-03 11:37 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

A more nuanced view could see both the government's and Snowden's intentions as being rational and in the best interests of their stated aims and self-preservations. The problem with the government's actions is they ineptly pushed Snowden into Russia's hands and are giving trolls like Effete ammunition to paint them as no better than Russia.

#50 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-12-03 12:50 PM | Reply

"Are you really trying to equate Mr Snowden with Anne Frank? If so, you've god a long row to hoe."

What did either of them do that's heroic?

#51 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-12-03 02:09 PM | Reply

Better than being a Democrat, am I right?

#52 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2022-12-03 02:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Are you really trying to equate Mr Snowden with Anne Frank? If so, you've god a long row to hoe."

What did either of them do that's heroic?
#51 | Posted by snoofy

Well, Anne Frank was a young girl who survived under horrific conditions during the Holocaust, first going into hiding at the age of thirteen until she and her family were caught two years later and then sent to concentration camps before she died several months later at the age of 15.

Edward Snowden is an adult male who willingly became a citizen of a nation that is actively committing genocide.

Clearly they are both the same.

#53 | Posted by censored at 2022-12-03 04:50 PM | Reply

Genocide? That's a little overblown,don't ya think?

Was Iraq genocide? Was Vietnam? Gimme a break. Wars are not always Genocide. Is any war, or only the ones you don't approve of genocide?

Most retarded poster in the retort,you should Censor yourself for being an idiot. Lol.

#54 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-12-03 05:04 PM | Reply

Russia needs more troops.

#55 | Posted by ClownShack at 2022-12-03 05:12 PM | Reply

Russia needs more troops.

They certainly need some REAL troops. Not sure if Eddie qualifies... he doesn't seem like the genocidal maniac type.

#56 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-12-03 05:18 PM | Reply

"willingly became a citizen"

How sure are you about that?

#57 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-12-03 05:24 PM | Reply

Clearly they are both the same.
#53 | POSTED BY CENSORED

You highlight the point I was trying to make.
They're not the same.
Not all heroes fit the same mold.

Trying to put it in a box is not likely to work because it's so subjective. One man's Freedom Fighter is another man's Insurgent.

#58 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-12-03 05:52 PM | Reply

Snowden knew that his actions would help Putin's Fascism and he went ahead and did it anyhow.
#43 | POSTED BY TOR

That sounds preachy, and self-justifying.
I strongly doubt Putin was a motivator either way.

#59 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-12-03 05:55 PM | Reply

"Edward Snowden is an adult male who willingly became a citizen of a nation that is actively committing genocide."

But that's not what makes him a hero.
He let the world see up Uncle Sam's skirt.

#60 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-12-03 06:01 PM | Reply

So you are ok with what he revealed about us?

#12 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY AT 2022-12-02 07:17 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

He "revealed" nothing but information about our assets to our enemies. Everyone with an IQ over room temperature already knew our government was spying on us. It being a shocking revelation to you says more about you than it does about our government.

#61 | Posted by VictorZiblis at 2022-12-03 09:45 PM | Reply

Then Russia drafts him and sends him to Ukraine.

#62 | Posted by RJSquirrel at 2022-12-04 03:55 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Watch any of the interviews with Snowden and listen to the way he answers every question like a self absorbed smug privileged out-of-touch narcissistic punk.

To say he "might have" saved lives is a joke... "might have" means nothing.

People react to the internet where they send their most private information into the ethers and expect privacy as if it is something they deserve.

pfffffffttttt

The fact is once you record your personal information in writing or pictures in any form it is subject to the possibility of going public. There are no exceptions to that. The internet just made it easier. How can you not see that as a possibility?

The fact is the NSA doesn't give a crap about the crotch pics you send to your side salad. All Snowjob did was frame how self-absorbed people are... not heroic at all... he acted more like a silly gossip who tells a story and then runs away.

#63 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2022-12-04 04:43 AM | Reply

The fact is if someone releases personal information voluntarily that is one thing but the government just taking personal info without warrant or probable cause is a civil rights violation every time they do it. It's no different from a doctor releasing medical info without permission.

The fact that they did it on a huge scale makes it worse, not irrelevant.

You must be some kind of a feeb to not get that.

#64 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-12-04 07:50 AM | Reply

You know what? People are complicated. You can do something good and noble and 5 minutes later you can be making Baby Jesus cry.

#65 | Posted by RJSquirrel at 2022-12-04 08:03 AM | Reply

This freak could pull a lee h oswald. If he uses his rushin passport to come here, he should be shot on sight.

#66 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2022-12-04 11:02 AM | Reply

#66
Guns. The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems.
--Second Amendment Homer

#67 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-12-04 11:20 AM | Reply

he acted more like a silly gossip who tells a story and then runs away.
#63 | POSTED BY RIGHTISTRITE

Telling a story, lol

On 9/11 some people did some things.

#68 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-12-04 11:32 AM | Reply

69!!!!!!

#69 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2022-12-04 11:52 AM | Reply

Good move! Snowden knows what he will get if he comes to the USA.

#70 | Posted by wolfdog at 2022-12-04 12:02 PM | Reply

Not that many here care about context, but it seems obvious that one of the primary motivations was to avoid being separated from his wife and young child.

In 2020, it was announced that Mills was pregnant and that she and Snowden intended to apply for Russian citizenship without renouncing their U.S. citizenship.[24] Their son was born in December 2020.

en.wikipedia.org


#71 | Posted by sentinel at 2022-12-04 01:58 PM | Reply

Snoofy Iraq was on Bushturds agenda the minute he ran for office. The NSA knew it. Seriously they were expecting it. So what? Unless you overrate the importance of your information to the NSA, FBI, CIA, KGB or whatever... the chatter they get from you is just chatter. You're not that important.

As far as data sales from Twaddle or Faceplant are concerned don't use the services. Easy peasy. Also not the NSA or whatever.

Most of the crap he schpiels whilst in Crusader Rabbit mode about how to set your security the hackers have been blathering for decades. He's just another self-absorbed nitwit appealing to the paranoid.

Seriously, the fewer accounts you possess the fewer things you have to keep track of and you can protect your own security.

If you don't wish to be tracked don't carry a cell phone. DOH Hard to do these days I know.

#72 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2022-12-04 02:05 PM | Reply

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