There are places, like back country Montana you need firearms, and I never once, not even once, failed to check the chamber before handling because it's the first thing you're taught to do. The plain fact is this was at BEST drunken stupidity, but more likely murder. Piggie murdered the other one then squealed a lie. While we are at it? No gun has ever "went off while cleaning" either because the literal first step would clear the chamber.

As far as shooting yourself cleaning a gun the first step is to clear the chamber so you either suck and deserve a Darwin or were committing suicide on purpose.

#16 | POSTED BY TAOWARRIOR AT 2022-12-05 09:39 PM | REPLY

I agree and firmly maintain guns do not go off during cleaning for exactly that reason. You can't even START cleaning it until the chamber's empty. Whatever the heck you're doing, you ain't cleaning it because the literal first step is that, you can't pull it apart with one in the chamber, you can't send anything through the barrel with one in the chamber. Negligent discharge, each and every one of them. You cannot kill yourself cleaning a gun. You cannot kill yourself dropping a gun if it was made in the last century. Guns do not "go off." The only thing that can happen is you put your booger hook on the bang button and it functioned exactly as it was supposed to.

Anyone who thinks guns can go off during cleaning doesn't understand how guns actually work.

(To be fair there was one model of Taurus that could go off if you shook the crap out of it, but that's because the idiots put the wrong kind of safety physically in the gun during assembly. It was only on the market for two months before someone noticed. It wasn't designed the way it was machined, but everything does have exceptions... and that's a valuable gun today, lol.)

... you'd still have to put your booger hook on the bang button for it to fire.