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Tuesday, December 06, 2022

Weapons investigators in Kyiv found that at least one Russian Kh-101 cruise missile used in widespread attacks there on Nov. 23 had been made no earlier than October.

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...Some of the cruise missiles that Russia launched at Ukraine's civilian infrastructure in late November were manufactured months after the West imposed sanctions intended to deprive Moscow of the components needed to make those munitions, according to a weapons research group.

Experts examined remnants of Kh-101 cruise missiles found in Kyiv, the capital, after an attack on Nov. 23 that knocked out electricity and shut down water systems in large areas of the country. One of the missiles was made this summer, and another was completed after September, markings on the weapons show, according to a report released by the investigators on Monday.

That Russia has continued to make advanced guided missiles like the Kh-101 suggests that it has found ways to acquire semiconductors and other matriel despite the sanctions or that it had significant stockpiles of the components before the war began, one of the researchers said.

The findings are among the most recent by Conflict Armament Research, an independent group based in Britain that identifies and tracks weapons and ammunition used in wars. A small team of its researchers arrived in Kyiv just before the attack at the invitation of the Ukrainian security service....



#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-12-05 05:24 PM | Reply

My guess is that the sanctions have not eliminated the ability of res Putin to produce the weapons, but they may have significantly reduced the number of those weapons he can produce. There may have been spare parts in stock.

The question is --- will, and if so, when, he run out of parts?


#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-12-05 05:56 PM | Reply

Never, give it up, the sanctions are as porous as a sieve. Tell Ukraine to surrender now. It's their best hope for a new year.

#3 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-12-05 06:28 PM | Reply

@#3 ... Tell Ukraine to surrender now. It's their best hope for a new year. ...

Is that the latest talking point that was issued to you?

By my view, Pres Putin seems to be the one who has been facing unexpected setbacks.

Is that why your alias wants Ukraine to surrender?


#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-12-05 06:34 PM | Reply

Is that the latest talking point that was issued to you?

It's the same one he's been using for almost a year now.

#5 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-12-05 06:37 PM | Reply

Is putin still sitting in a puddle of his own poop?

#6 | Posted by Tor at 2022-12-05 06:49 PM | Reply

Saving lives is my only concern. The war is being artifically prolonged by misguided weapons transfers and intelligence assistance. It's dangerous to the world at large and not good for the Ukrainians themselves.

The end will be the same it's just Killing more people to get there.

Time for Zelinsky to pocket his loot and run for greener pastures.

#7 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-12-05 06:51 PM | Reply

Never, give it up, the sanctions are as porous as a sieve. Tell Ukraine to surrender now. It's their best hope for a new year.

#3 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER AT 2022-12-05 06:28 PM | REPLY

GFY You useless Putin Trollup.

#8 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2022-12-05 06:55 PM | Reply

The question is --- will, and if so, when, he run out of parts?

I expect they are getting parts either from, or though, India. India is gulping up Russian oil.

#9 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-12-05 06:56 PM | Reply

This is Not Good News For NATO or the Ukraine.

They should rethink their whole approach and give up now.

It will save thousands of innocent lives.

Those deaths are on NATO's hands.

Russia is just warming up for the real action.

Putin said months ago that they hadn't really even begun to fight in Ernest.

Tell Zelinsky.

#10 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-12-05 07:13 PM | Reply

"They should rethink their whole approach and give up now.
It will save thousands of innocent lives."

Giving up would cost more.

#11 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-12-05 07:15 PM | Reply

"This is Not Good News For NATO or the Ukraine."

Who told you THAT lie?

#12 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-12-05 07:16 PM | Reply

How so?

#13 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-12-05 07:16 PM | Reply

@#7 ... Saving lives is my only concern. ...

That did not seem to be the concern of your alias when back in the spring your alias was cheering on Pres Putin for killing the imaginary Nazis in Ukraine, and cheering on his unprovoked invasion.

That does not seem to be the concern of your alias when your deflect away from the egregious atrocities that Pres Putin's troops effect upon Ukrainian citizens.

 

No, if saving lives were your only concern, your alias would telling Pres Putin to stop his unprovoked invasion of a sovereign country for the purpose of annexing and eliminating it.

The fact that your alias does not (will not?) do that is quite indicative of the prevarication of your alias.

So now that it has been outed, yet again, what is the real purpose of your alias here on this most august site?

Yer up...

#14 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-12-05 07:19 PM | Reply

@#10 ... This is Not Good News For NATO or the Ukraine.

They should rethink their whole approach and give up now.

It will save thousands of innocent lives.

Those deaths are on NATO's hands. ...

No, the deaths (Russian, Ukrainian and any others) are on the hands of Pres Putin's unprovoked invasion of a sovereign Ukraine.

Ukraine has just been protecting itself.

Tell your handler to inform Pres Putin that he needs to withdraw from occupied Ukrainian land and this whole war will be over.

See, simple.

Yer up...


#15 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-12-05 07:26 PM | Reply

@#15

OK I messed up the formatting. It should be...


@#10 ... This is Not Good News For NATO or the Ukraine.

They should rethink their whole approach and give up now.

It will save thousands of innocent lives.

Those deaths are on NATO's hands. ...

No, the deaths (Russian, Ukrainian and any others) are on the hands of Pres Putin's unprovoked invasion of a sovereign Ukraine.

Ukraine has just been protecting itself.

Tell your handler to inform Pres Putin that he needs to withdraw from occupied Ukrainian land and this whole war will be over.

See, simple.

Yer up...

#16 | Posted by LampLighter at 2022-12-05 07:31 PM | Reply

Same result if the Ukrainian's stop their futile resistance and just bite the pillow and relax.

It'll be over sooner and fewer will die.

Otherwise this ---- Will ESCALATE to WW3.

Not a good outcome just to help Nazis.

Wasn't one world war caused by Nazism enough?

#17 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-12-05 07:47 PM | Reply

Statistically Russia will implode first. Historically they've done that more often than win a war.

#18 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2022-12-06 07:44 AM | Reply

8 months ago Russia was going on a 10 day operation. Now they're either failing to stop drones at airbases far from the front or they're getting hit with Ukraine's indigenous design Medium Range Ballistic Missiles.

#19 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2022-12-06 07:58 AM | Reply

My guess is that the sanctions have not eliminated the ability of res Putin to produce the weapons, but they may have significantly reduced the number of those weapons he can produce. There may have been spare parts in stock.

Well so long as there is money to be made, corporations will find a way to make it.

Like when Cheney's Halliburton continued supplying Iran or pappy Bush helped Hitler rise to power.

#20 | Posted by Nixon at 2022-12-06 09:05 AM | Reply

Russian Cruise Missiles Were Made Just Months Ago

Possibly related:
Russian DR Troll Accounts Were Made Just Months Ago

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-12-07 12:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This is an idiotic war. I am against the USA being dragged into it. All this fuss over a little bit of land that I in the USA care nothing about. How about the UN giving Ukraine Madagascar in exchange for Donbas, Luhansk, and Crimea?

#22 | Posted by wolfdog at 2022-12-07 12:55 PM | Reply

How about the UN giving Ukraine Madagascar in exchange for Donbas, Luhansk, and Crimea?

Why not give it to Russia?

#23 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-12-07 12:59 PM | Reply

#3

Lord Haw Haw...

#24 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-12-07 03:38 PM | Reply

"Saving lives is my only concern."

Not it's not.

If that were true, you'd be demanding that Russia surrender.

Russia started this. They could have saved hundreds of thousands of lives by not starting this.

Yet you fail to hold them to any level of accountability.

If we're being honest, maybe Russia is not a state that humanity should allow to exist. Like the National Socialist German Reich.

In the interest of saving lives, of course.

#25 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-12-07 03:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Why not just let em' fight with no help to either side?

Without help the Ukrainian's won't last long. They don't manufacture their own arms, they don't plan their own offensives, they don't finance their own government or infrastructure repairs. They don't even target their own missiles. Everything is done, For Them.

NATO is doing everything but actually shooting on the ground.

Putin is absolutely correct when he says this is a Russia NATO war using Ukrainian personel for the fighting.

Why is this being done? It's not like they've done this for other countries. What's so special about the Ukraine?

Ethnofascist bigots don't deserve our assistance.

We should be helping Russia stop the madness.

#26 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-12-07 03:46 PM | Reply

"This is Not Good News For NATO or the Ukraine."

NATO is actually stronger than it has probably ever been. With Finland and Sweden on deck as new, HIGHLY capable members.

This is bad for NATO how?

#27 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-12-07 03:47 PM | Reply

"Why not just let em' fight with no help to either side?"

Dunno. Maybe I'm just old skool.

The only good commie is a dead commie.

Nothing wrong with killing commies.

#28 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-12-07 03:50 PM | Reply

"Without help the Ukrainian's won't last long."

Like, they'll get killed by Russian death squads or flee the country?

I think that in 1980, the 1980 version of you would have said the same about the Afghans. It will be a short, bloodless op against an inept adversary

Of course, the Afghans eventually expelled the commies from their country.

And, of course, the commies lost a fraction of the troops in Afghanistan that they've lost in Ukraine.

If you were concerned about lives, you'd be demanding that Putin end his ----------. The numbers have yet to be tallied, but the Ukraine war may be the worst thing ever to happen to Russians...outside of communism. At least when it comes to corpses.

#29 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-12-07 03:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Why is this being done? It's not like they've done this for other countries."

Sure they did.

Estonia
Latvia
Lithuania
Poland
Czechia
Slovenia
Slovakia
Croatia
Albania
Montenegro

Did I get them all?

Oh, and let's not forget Finland and Sweden.

#30 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-12-07 03:58 PM | Reply

You're about thirty years behind the times.The Russian Federation is Not the USSR. Communism is just one of several political parties in Russia today.

If you're so full of ---- about that, how can anyone take you seriously about other matters?

Why is the West so concerned about a few bigots getting their asses handed to them?

Ukraine is historically Russian,NATO wants to take that away.

Of course the Russians will fight to prevent that.

If China tried to take western Canada from the Canadians we would attack them too. Duh?

#31 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-12-07 03:58 PM | Reply

"We should be helping Russia stop the madness."

We are.

By showing them that violent, 18th century imperialism or colonial revanchism will just result massive losses.

Call it tough love:)

#32 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-12-07 04:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"You're about thirty years behind the times.The Russian Federation is Not the USSR."

Russian tank flying the Soviet flag during the early days of the invasion

www.bing.com

#34 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-12-07 04:04 PM | Reply

"Why is the West so concerned about a few bigots getting their asses handed to them?"

Why are you?

#35 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-12-07 04:05 PM | Reply

"Ukraine is historically Russian"

I don't think Ukraine sees it that way.

In any case, I will buy you a first ------- class ticket so whatever jump-off point you want in order to go defend communism, defeat Nazism...whatever you feel you need to do.

Putin is too poor to buy you that ticket. I am not.

#36 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-12-07 04:07 PM | Reply

I don't recall a full on shooting war over any of those other former Soviet satellites.

NATO accepted them after the USSR was no longer a thing. While Russia was weak and on the defensive.

Ukraine is a new thing and far closer to the heart of Russia itself. Ukraine will NEVER BE A NATO MEMBER.

Nuclear war is more likely than that, I'm appalled to say.

The West is dangerously misreading the Russians and it's going to get millions killed.

Why?

#37 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-12-07 04:08 PM | Reply

"I don't recall a full on shooting war over any of those other former Soviet satellites."

They were fortunate enough to join NATO before the commies had the strength to try and reconquer their former colonies.

"Ukraine will NEVER BE A NATO MEMBER."

The more people like you say it will never happen, the more people like me think it should happen. And I would suspect that my position is more representative of the western opinion than your own.

"Nuclear war is more likely than that, I'm appalled to say."

I feel like you're a bit of a Russophile. nuclear war would be bad for the world, but Russia would cease to exist.

Unfortunately, that's a decision that will be made by a handful of Russians on behalf of the entire country. Most of whom probably would prefer to continue to exist.

And between us girls, Putin appears to be wearing out his welcome with the oligarchs. Maybe they will be cool with living in poverty...maybe they will find a replacement.

#38 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-12-07 04:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I don't recall a full on shooting war over any of those other former Soviet satellites."

I wouldn't quite call Prague Spring a war. But there was shooting.

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-12-07 04:19 PM | Reply

Kiev is older than Moscow.... many centuries older.

Same with Ukraine and Russia:

"Kyiv is one among the oldest cities in Europe and was founded in 482, while Moscow was founded in 1147 by Yuriy Dolgoruky, the son of Volodymyr Monomakh. So, Kyiv is older than Moscow by 665 years."

uapost.us

#40 | Posted by Corky at 2022-12-07 04:35 PM | Reply

Eastern Slavs founded both cities.

Historically they were one people.

The real tragedy is this current war is a civil war in everything but name.

Ukraine is a vital part of what Russia is.

The West meddled in that and empowered racist killers. This whole horror show could have been avoided by respect for the unity of the Slavic world by NATO.

Same -------- in Serbia. This is way bigger tho'

Like Nuclear War Big.

#41 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-12-07 04:45 PM | Reply

"The myths of the Russian national consciousness suffered a new blow! First, the study of the gene pool of the Russian people, conducted by Russian scientists in 2000-2006 showed that genetically Russian are not Slavs, but true-born Finns, that have no difference from Mordovians." - same link

You should stick to condemning US oligarchs rather than kowtowing to Russian ones... they are really all the same, ya know.

#42 | Posted by Corky at 2022-12-07 04:57 PM | Reply

Who cares what they are genetically? That's Nazi thinking right there. It's a cultural thing, not genetic.

The whole obsession with pure "bloodlines" has killed millions in Europe and many other places.

Time to put that garbage in the trash where it belongs.

#44 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-12-07 05:05 PM | Reply

Who cares what they are genetically? That's Nazi thinking right there. It's a cultural thing, not genetic.

#44 | Posted by Effeteposer

You do. So I guess you think like a nazi.
A couple weeks ago when you argued that the ukrainians are historically and genetically russian anyways so they might as well surrender to the russian tyrant.

#46 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-12-07 05:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You know Putin is in trouble when when the troll farm sends backup.

#47 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-12-07 05:33 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

I wished I wasn't so dirt poor. If I were rich I would fly Effeteposer to Moscow Russia so he can fight for Putin.

#48 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2022-12-07 06:09 PM | Reply

I wished I wasn't so dirt poor. If I were rich I would fly Effeteposer to Moscow Russia so he can fight for Putin.

#48 | Posted by LauraMohr

Genuinely curious - what would you say were the biggest factors in your life that resulted in you being poor?

#49 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-12-07 06:26 PM | Reply

Genuinely curious - what would you say were the biggest factors in your life that resulted in you being poor?

#49 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2022-12-07 06:26 PM | REPLY

Mental Illness sadly. My fault I know.

#50 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2022-12-07 06:35 PM | Reply

Mental Illness sadly. My fault I know.

#50 | Posted by LauraMohr

Not really. What age did that start affecting you? Did you have people around you as a child who tried to help you do well in school and get on a career path?

#51 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-12-07 06:53 PM | Reply

Not really. I come from a high school of 1,500 students. We didn't get enough one on one help like we should have had. Plus I had a disfunctional family so. It is what it is. I'm just grateful for what I do have.

#52 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2022-12-07 07:43 PM | Reply

Not really. I come from a high school of 1,500 students. We didn't get enough one on one help like we should have had. Plus I had a disfunctional family so. It is what it is. I'm just grateful for what I do have.

#52 | Posted by LauraMohr

Shame to think of how many people's lives would have ended up differently if they'd gone to great schools. Yet somehow one party thinks education is evil and taxing to fund it is theft. Instead they'd rather pay for ACTUAL theft from desperate thieves who have no means to support themselves because their schools sucked.

Elon musk thinks we need more people. ------- moron. We just need to utilize the useful people we already have who slip through the cracks.

#53 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-12-07 09:15 PM | Reply

Russia is an industrial powerhouse. The losses published by Ukraine are nothing more than a pinprick. The USA should realize this from World War II. Russia is unbeatable.

#54 | Posted by wolfdog at 2022-12-07 09:17 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#53. Which side opposes school choice? Which side opposed a return to in person learning? Which side opposed removing mask mandates for students?

#55 | Posted by BellRinger at 2022-12-07 09:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#53. Which side opposes school choice? Which side opposed a return to in person learning? Which side opposed removing mask mandates for students?

#55 | Posted by BellRinger

The side that cares more about saving lives.

School choice wouldnt be an issue if we just funded good schools nationwide. Pretend they're the military. Or something vital to our future as a country. Instead of waste of good yacht money.

#56 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-12-07 09:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Russia is an industrial powerhouse. The losses published by Ukraine are nothing more than a pinprick. The USA should realize this from World War II. Russia is unbeatable.

#54 | Posted by wolfdog

Your master Putin fell down the stairs and crapped his pants last week. I'll give you a thousand dollars if you can get the security camera footage for us.

#57 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-12-07 09:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

get the security camera footage for us.

AKA "Pee Tape II".

#58 | Posted by REDIAL at 2022-12-07 09:33 PM | Reply

"Which side opposes school choice?"

Nobody is opposed to school choice.

Only some people are opposed to taking taxpayer money that is earmarked for pubic schools, stripping it away, and giving it to private schools.

Come up with your own funding mechanism if you think taxpayer dollars should support private schools.

This is what I mean about people like you being a real snake in the grass.
"Liberals don't support school choice."
No dumbass we don't support taking money away from public schools.

You know this and you keep repeating the lie. That's what makes you incapable of being a good human being.

#59 | Posted by snoofy at 2022-12-07 09:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Who cares if he did fall and ---- himself. He's a human being. People get sick. It won't help the Ukraine even if he dies. There are plenty more hardliners behind him.

This war isn't just about Putin. The whole Russian Leadership is intent on finishing this. The war will go on with or without Putin.

Is the same true of the Ukraine and Zelinsky? Honest question, no snark, I genuinely don't know.

Who would replace him if he died, and would they sue for peace?

My guess is Zelinsky is not essential to the Ukrainian war effort either.

#60 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-12-07 09:44 PM | Reply

"The Kremlin has urged members of the presidential Human Rights Council "not to upset" Russian leader Vladimir Putin with thorny questions about the war in Ukraine when they meet Wednesday, independent media reported, citing unnamed sources close to the council.

Off-limits topics include Russia's draconian law criminalizing "fake news" about the military; anti-mobilization protests; the Wagner mercenary group's recruitment of prisoners for the war; and an explosive video showing a Wagner deserter being executed with a sledgehammer.

HRC members were also urged to avoid the "toxic" issue of Russian troop deaths in Ukraine.

Sources cited by Vyorstka said the council's newest pro-war members "understand perfectly well" not to raise controversial issues with Putin at the upcoming video conference.

Putin overhauled the HRC in November, replacing members who had publicly expressed doubts about the war with more vocal supporters.

Kremlin officials reportedly told council members to approach the issue of Russia's poorly run mobilization campaign "very cautiously" to avoid fueling public fears about a widely speculated second wave of mass recruitment. "

www.themoscowtimes.com

MRGA!

(making Russia Great again!)

Yeah, Vlad's just another guy, MW. You just keep repeating that line.

#61 | Posted by Corky at 2022-12-07 09:55 PM | Reply

I will, thanks. There are always Dissenters and maybe they could change policy if Putin died or was incapacitated.

That's obviously true.

If Zelinsky died or was incapacitated the Ukraine could change course and surrender territory to Russia. Not likely, but possible.

Anything can happen if leadership changes. But that includes No Change.

Nobody is indispensable.

#62 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-12-07 10:05 PM | Reply

But there are facts... and the facts are that Nazis were not in control in Ukraine; it was just Vlad's excuse to invade and take territory for keeps.

But you chose to believe it and repeat it here ad nauseum... mainly, it appears, because you have no real argument for why Ukraine should give up territory that would have never been enough to stop Vlad eventually taking it all.

Appeasement doesn't werk, it only prolongs the pain, as Britain and Europe found out soon enough.

We saved Europe, and ourselves, from a rogue nation twice before, and NATO is there to try to make sure we don't have to do it a third time.

#63 | Posted by Corky at 2022-12-08 12:05 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"You gots a crystal ball?"

Yeah. sort of.

#64 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-12-08 01:16 AM | Reply

"Russia is an industrial powerhouse."

It is?

For finished goods?

Can they make a decent gun tube? Probably? an HGV out of rare metals? Most likely.

The advanced guidance system needed to get the HGV to where it needed to be. Not really. At least in meaningful numbers. Unless they can get around sanctions.

The Russian economy is very, very basic. Think North Korea. They don't have a domestic tech industry, so they have to import whatever they need from somewhere else.

#65 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-12-08 01:23 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The USA should realize this from World War II. Russia is unbeatable."

A large part of why Russia didn't cave to the National Socialists was because the US provided them with the war materiel necessary to fight. Sound familiar?

#66 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-12-08 01:24 AM | Reply

Without help the Ukrainian's won't last long. They don't manufacture their own arms, they don't plan their own offensives, they don't finance their own government or infrastructure repairs. They don't even target their own missiles. Everything is done, For Them

Sounds alot like liberals and the world liberals want to see. How's that working out?

#67 | Posted by boaz at 2022-12-08 08:12 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The sanctions are making Russia stronger and more self-reliant

autarchy is the word

Posted by nurseareola at 2022-12-07 04:01 PM

Effy has a new sock puppet account.

#68 | Posted by Nixon at 2022-12-08 08:31 AM | Reply

Nope, I have no idea who Nurseareola is. Is that really so hard to believe? People's opinions vary. Mine are my own.

#69 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-12-08 09:21 AM | Reply

#67 | POSTED BY BOAZ

How'd that "Red Tsunami" work out for you, pal?

#70 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2022-12-08 09:40 AM | Reply

This war isn't just about Putin. The whole Russian Leadership is intent on finishing this.

#60 | Posted by Effeteposer

You mean the whole russian leadership that was hand picked by putin?

Idiot.

#71 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-12-08 12:01 PM | Reply

The demented orange pedo called Putin a savvy genius for losing 100,000 troops this year. Wrap your head around that.

#72 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2022-12-08 12:07 PM | Reply

I've seen figures for Ukraine that are twice that. The numbers on both sides are pure fabrication,the real numbers are state secrets probably.

Besides, the Ukies lie about everything,I bet Zelinsky isn't even really a Jew. He just claims to be one so morons won't figure out the Nazi nature of the leadership there.

Ooh, he's a Jew, they can't really be Nazis. Whatever.

#73 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2022-12-08 01:28 PM | Reply

" Besides, the Ukies lie about everything,I bet Zelinsky isn't even really a Jew. "

So ... right after falsely claiming someone lid all the time, you tell a bald-faced lie.

It's like the comedy writes itself.

#74 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-12-08 01:31 PM | Reply

" I've seen figures for Ukraine that are twice that."

Link?

#75 | Posted by Danforth at 2022-12-08 01:32 PM | Reply

I've seen figures for Ukraine that are twice that. The numbers on both sides are pure fabrication,the real numbers are state secrets probably.

Besides, the Ukies lie about everything,I bet Zelinsky isn't even really a Jew. He just claims to be one so morons won't figure out the Nazi nature of the leadership there.

Ooh, he's a Jew, they can't really be Nazis. Whatever.

#73 | Posted by Effeteposer

It's not hard to know which side to trust if you have a brain. It's the one that DIDNT have to take over all the tv stations and shut down the internet.

Look how sad you are you can't call zelinsky a nazi. Sucks when one little detail derails your entire conspiracy theory doesn't it?

#76 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2022-12-08 01:35 PM | Reply

"This war isn't just about Putin. The whole Russian Leadership is intent on finishing this."

--------.

Russian commanders were sent into combat without actually being told what they were doing. Many carried the dress uniforms with them that they were going to wear at the victory parade in Kyiv.

I don't know that Shoygu's heart is in it. And I haven't heard anything about Gerasimov in months. What I do hear a lot of is Russian ultra-nationalists claiming that Ukraine should be wiped off the map, but like you, they don't seem too interested in doing the wiping themselves.

They kinda seem like a bunch of -------, actually.

And as for Russian society-well...the 300,000 military-aged males who fled at the start of the call-up speaks volumes.

#77 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-12-08 01:57 PM | Reply

"Besides, the Ukies lie about everything"

As opposed to the truthful Russians?

Hell, it's not even legal to be truthful in Russia.

#78 | Posted by madbomber at 2022-12-08 01:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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