The whole point was to help the US heal, to "bind up the wounds of the nation" to quote a famous unnameable person because he wanted unity and not permanent exclusion.

Y'all sound like 1860's radical Republicans. The only reason we have a United States today is because of the very inclusion of the traitors you so decry. The South could have waged a guerilla war for decades if they had wanted to.

The reason reconstruction succeeded, however imperfectly, is because the North did not try to make the breakaway states permanent enemies.

Look at Yugoslavia, most countries can't have a war like that and survive as a single polity. They break into little statelets at war with each other for generations.

One could make the case that the time for coddling the southern sensibilities is past. Fair enough.

One could also make the case that given the current fracture in politics we're living with today, that coddling dead traitors by leaving at least some of their Monuments and
Memorials intact and raising new ones alongside them would be a better policy.

Erasing the past and spitting on the values of people we have to live with if our society is to survive is not good policy and not helping civil rights.

Leave at least some of the memorials and create new inclusive ones alongside them. Celebrate the courage the oppressed showed and tolerate the outdated old vision if only to not become another failed state at war within.

I rest my case. You're Just like the radical republicans of 1865. Hang them all, and destroy all memory that they existed.

Living with people we disagree with is difficult,I'm not in favor of coddling the old south and it's oligarchic and racist memory.

I recognize that to have any kind of civil society or any forward progress we have to at least be civil to and show minimal courtesy for people we don't Agree with at ALL.

This includes dead enders who still Revere the Stars and Bars.

You can shut them up,but you can't shut them out.

They vote,in numbers, that can win national elections.

So if you want any kind of society worth living in you're going to have to put up with some stuff you don't like.

It's called compromise,and without out it you have endless war and social disorder.

Not peace,not universal healthcare,not ----- inclusion; conflict,war and ultimately,societal breakdown and massacre in the worst case.

I think I would rather compromise and have peace than seek absolute purity at the price of the total breakdown of civil and social norms.

Trump won, if that's not winning national elections what is?

The South is still reactionary and backward on most social issues.

A real guerilla war is nothing like what the KKK and night riders did after the war. A real Guerilla war would have been whole swathes of the south in southern control with no central government at all. Total anarchy in large areas unable to be brought under any legal control.

Jubal Early wanted this for the Carolinas and Georgia but he was deterred by the General Amnesty that took away recruits from his vision of ongoing hell.

The Amnesty was why there was no serious guerilla movement.

The policy of General Amnesty was vehemently denounced as too soft on traitors at the time it was implemented.

Sound familar? Your way would have destroyed our country even more than it ready was.

Forgiving the South is what separates America from the Balkans, or Ukraine, those countries had separatist movements too. Yugoslavia will never be one country again.

Neither will the Ukraine. Too much blood and too much outside meddling have made any unity there impossible.

If our civil war had an outside US like meddler involved, God knows what we would be today. And No,France and Britian did not meddle on anything like the scale the US has in both Yugoslavia and Ukraine.

How is that wrong? Yer up?

It's like the Banderites in Ukraine, they honor Nazis but get a pass. Why is that? Why is honoring -------- unacceptable here but just dandy over there?

The Lost Cause is for losers and racists,which I agree is true. Most of the memorials should be destroyed and forgotten.

The Banderites love the Nazis,and honor them with statues and racist policies. But we give them billions of dollars to fight Russia. And everyone says it's not really as racist and destructive as our own deadenders.

But it's the reason for a horrible war the US keeping feeding
and encouraging. Is it less destructive?

I think not.

Hopefully you can see the difference in Ukraine where they worship Nazis, actual ------- NAZIS. And you praise them for being so "democratic".

Of course you can't make that consistent with your hatred of the "lost cause".

There's a rank and stinking double standard at play that nobody wants to admit to.

I really does make the protestations of virtue less believable. And more disgusting to people who really want social justice.

Why do they have Nuremberg type laws making Russian illegal?

Why have they banned the Russian Orthodox Church?

Why are all dissenting political Parties banned but the Nazis do whatever they want?

Why are "collaborators" murdered without trial and nobody is held to account?

"Collaborator" often meaning hungry people taking food from Russians. Put all the lipstick on it you want, it's still a Nazi Pig.

The Russians are Civilizing the Ukraine. It's an uphill fight.

The Ukies were hiding in civilian areas,using innocent people as human shields. Even amnesty international called them out on it. The hospitals and schools were full of soldiers and ordinance,no children or patients,just Nazi killers.

Then Zelinsky cried about the humanity. But the only people there were combatants. It was typical lying propaganda.

When the facts were checked the Ukrainian government went ------- and denounced amnesty international.

They said they would try to be more sensitive about Ukrainian sensibilities in the future but stood by the truth of their findings.