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Thursday, January 12, 2023

The past eight years were the eight warmest years on record, and 2022 was the fifth-warmest on record globally, according to the European Union's Copernicus Climate Change Service.

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...Why it matters: The ranking, released Tuesday morning, shows the planet continues its long-term warming trend in response to growing amounts of greenhouse gases.

- - - Each of the past 8 years had global average temperatures more than 1C above the preindustrial level, as the world nears the 1.5C guardrail established by the Paris Climate Agreement.

- - - Studies show that the odds of potentially catastrophic climate impacts increase significantly if warming exceeds 1.5C compared to preindustrial levels.

Of note: The third year in a row of La Nia conditions in the tropical Pacific Ocean helped depress global average surface temperatures slightly, keeping 2022 from hitting the top three warmest years. ...

#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-01-12 01:33 AM | Reply

"The Past 8 Years Were the World's Warmest, Report Finds"

Fake News!
--LftHndThrds

#2 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-01-12 12:43 PM | Reply

Out of the last 8 years?

#3 | Posted by fishpaw at 2023-01-12 01:24 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

The anti science Republicans will argue with a thermometer.

#4 | Posted by eightfifteenpm at 2023-01-12 01:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Cue: Pseudo-science, Dunning-Kruger style Whattaboutism from our resident FrightWingers.

#5 | Posted by zarnon at 2023-01-12 01:34 PM | Reply

They're just idiot trolls.

#6 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2023-01-12 02:10 PM | Reply

Fake News!
--LftHndThrds
#2 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2023-01-12 12:43 PM | REPLY

I'm not the one disagreeing with climate change. The climate has been changing for 4.5 billion years on this planet.

I disagree with the loonies on a few things

1. what causes it
2. what to do about it
3. Why I have to pay more in fees and taxes to some entity that'll never "fix" anything as
they fly around the world in personal jets.

People like you are either not very smart or you like playing the idiot. People like you likely want gas stoves banned but you still support burning down entire forests in the name of biomass "renewable energy". People like you support electric cars that are charged on coal/natural gas power station electricity.

Yessir, deforestation is cool, but outlaw them gas stoves. Now, go have you some crickets for lunch.

#7 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2023-01-12 02:49 PM | Reply | Funny: 3 | Newsworthy 1

Out of the last 8 years?

#3 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

As always, you offer such incredible insights to the conversation.

#8 | Posted by Sycophant at 2023-01-12 02:53 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Yessir, deforestation is cool, but outlaw them gas stoves.

#7 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

You're talking about people someone made up for you.

#9 | Posted by Zed at 2023-01-12 03:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

You're talking about people someone made up for you.

#9 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2023-01-12 03:12 PM | REPLY

Zed sees dead people

#10 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2023-01-12 03:14 PM | Reply

People like you support electric cars that are charged on coal/natural gas power station electricity.

#7 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

The primary goal was to eliminate a source of emissions. Which, of course, EVs do.

When I get one, I'll hook it up to my wind turbine.

Peer pressure will drive you to get an EV, as your neighbors acquire them.

#11 | Posted by Zed at 2023-01-12 03:18 PM | Reply

Zed sees dead people

#10 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

A few.

Prejudiced?

#12 | Posted by Zed at 2023-01-12 03:19 PM | Reply

C3S Records only go back to 1950. Or 1850 for longer datasets.

This isn't science, headline is lying.

#13 | Posted by oneironaut at 2023-01-12 03:20 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Out of the last 8 years?

#3 | Posted by fishpaw

"ON RECORD" stupid. How long do you think we've been measuring temperatures?

#14 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2023-01-12 03:34 PM | Reply

I disagree with the loonies on a few things

1. what causes it
2. what to do about it
3. Why I have to pay more in fees and taxes to some entity that'll never "fix" anything as
they fly around the world in personal jets.

#7 | Posted by lfthndthrds

You dont disagree with lefties. You disagree with experts and scientists. You think there's no value in knowing things and an ignorant moron's lies about climate change have as much credibility as PhDs and experts.

When you're too stupid to know how stupid you are, you dont think it's possible that anyone could know more than you.

#15 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2023-01-12 03:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

People like you support electric cars that are charged on coal/natural gas power station electricity.

#7 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

You can charge an electric car from any source of electricity.

You can only fuel a gas car with ONE source of fuel.

And an electric car charged from the DIRTIEST coal plant, still only produces as much C02 emissions as a 60mpg gas car.

Any more pathetic oil puppet lies I can debunk for you?

#16 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2023-01-12 03:38 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

The problem is the "solutions" that the left advocate don't accomplish anything and create mass starvation in the process.

#17 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-01-12 03:39 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

The problem is the "solutions" that the left advocate don't accomplish anything and create mass starvation in the process.

#17 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER AT 2023-01-12 03:39 PM | REPLY

Lies is all you've got Jeff.

#18 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2023-01-12 03:43 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Mass starvation is part of the solution.

#19 | Posted by visitor_ at 2023-01-12 03:44 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

The problem is the "solutions" that the left advocate don't accomplish anything and create mass starvation in the process.

#17 | Posted by BellRinger

C02 is a greenhouse gas that increases climate change, but reducing C02 wont reduce climate change?

You're a moron.

#20 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2023-01-12 04:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Mass starvation is part of the solution.

#19 | Posted by visitor_

Wait til you see what happens when the farms run dry because we listened to your climate change denying cult for decades instead of taking action.

#21 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2023-01-12 04:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The climate has been changing for 4.5 billion years on this planet.

Of course your first post says "duuuhhhhhh ThE ClIMAtE HaZZ AlwAyZ CyCleEDD!!

You realize saying that with a straight face merely tells serious people to ignore every single thing that rolls out of your perpetually open mouth, right?

#22 | Posted by jpw at 2023-01-12 04:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

When you're too stupid to know how stupid you are, you dont think it's possible that anyone could know more than you.

#15 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Yeah, but he read some stuff on zero hedge while taking a ---- the other day.

#23 | Posted by jpw at 2023-01-12 04:29 PM | Reply

Yessir, deforestation is cool, but outlaw them gas stoves.

#7 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

No one is considering outlawing gas stoves.

Outlawing gas stoves is just Fox News literally gaslighting you.

Again.

#24 | Posted by donnerboy at 2023-01-12 08:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Yessir, deforestation is cool, but outlaw them gas stoves.
#7 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

Hook, line, and sinker. Your the dipchit that keeps the likes of Alex Jones on the air.

Enjoy your willful ignorance, while you still can!

#25 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2023-01-12 08:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

" Enjoy your willful ignorance, while you still can!

#25 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11 AT 2023-01-12 08:47 PM | FLAG: | NEWSWORTHY 1"

The administration floats it as something that is under consideration.

The opposition rightly cries foul.

The administration catches flak from just about everyone with two functional brain cells.

The administration then pretends it's their oppositions fault that they floated the idea in the first place.

Here's the deal Rstybeach, this was so bad it's going to be made fun of fit a long time. I n ow your reflex reaction as to rush to the defense of Democrats but there is no defending the stupidity of this.

Swallow it.

#26 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-01-12 09:54 PM | Reply

Could warmer temps have winners and losers? Canada and Russia the big winners.

US and China losers? Arable land will move north. The belt of habitable climate will shift.

Brazil historically was protected from glaciation. Their biodiversity didn't get hurt as much by climate change.

The humid tropics will be affected the least. If the warming is moderate.

#27 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2023-01-12 09:56 PM | Reply

Now tell us how you're borrowing some intern's phone to post here while your "wife" is being embalmed.

#28 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2023-01-12 10:05 PM | Reply

"The administration then pretends it's their oppositions fault that they floated the idea in the first place."

No they didn't. They didn't "pretend" anything or "float" anything.

They said the EPA ( an independent agency of the executive branch) was looking into the safety of gas stoves ( not the stove you may already have but new stoves) and Fox Spews ran wild with it. As usual.

"Swallow it"

We can't because as usual you already swallowed it, hook line and sinker, like the DingDong you are.

#29 | Posted by donnerboy at 2023-01-13 12:29 AM | Reply

(sigh)... I grow increasingly tired
of explaining the environment to morons.

Fact 1: it's not just the past eight years.
It is more like 10 out of 10 of the
hottest years ever recorded have been
since 2010. And 8 out of 8 of the
hottest years ever recorded have been
since 2015.

Fact 2: CO2 and methane (the 2 main greenhouse
gases) dont just disappear from the
atmosphere, they stay in the atmosphere
(once released) for on the order of a
couple of hundred years, not 5 or ten.
So what we put in the atmosphere today
and tommorow, will be with your children
and grandchildren for the 'rest of their
lives', unless some SCIENTIST invents a
way to suck it back out of the atmosphere
or neutralise it.

Fact 3: Most concerning is that while yes, the
climate has changed in the past, and even
to this degree or more (back in the
Cretaceous Period) and the Neoproterozoic,
between 600 and 800 million years ago, it
has never done so in so remotely as short
a time span as this. Usual climate change
takes place on the order of millions to
tens of millions of years, although there
have been instances where the earth has
dramatically warmed or cooled on the order
of a few 10's of thousands of years, those
periods are fairly rare in earth history,
and usually the result of some sort of
volcanic calamity or the like.

But ALL man-caused climate change has occured
since the dawn of the Industrial Revolution,
within the past 260 years or so. This is
Orders of magnitude faster than ever before
in earth history. In fact, it is off the
charts, in the mere blink of a geologist's eye.
And THAT is what is so concerning.

So try to not be a Total Moron, and at least
try to understand the issue, if not for
you, then at least for your children or
grandchildren's sake. They deserve a future
too.

#30 | Posted by earthmuse at 2023-01-13 04:05 AM | Reply

Fact 3: Most concerning is that while yes, the
climate has changed in the past, and even
to this degree or more (back in the
Cretaceous Period) and the Neoproterozoic,
between 600 and 800 million years ago, it
has never done so in so remotely as short
a time span as this. Usual climate change
takes place on the order of millions to
tens of millions of years, although there
have been instances where the earth has
dramatically warmed or cooled on the order
of a few 10's of thousands of years, those
periods are fairly rare in earth history,
and usually the result of some sort of
volcanic calamity or the like.

There is a close analogue to modern climate change. The Paleocene"Eocene Thermal Maximum, which occurred about 55 million years ago. The big difference IMO between now and then is that at that point, humans had not yet populated the planet and plants grew where they could and wanted to. As the earth warms, particularly in Europe, much of the high north will be transformed from tundra into forest or taiga.

#31 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-01-13 05:20 AM | Reply

So try to not be a Total Moron, and at least
try to understand the issue, if not for
you, then at least for your children or
grandchildren's sake. They deserve a future
too.

I don't understand this statement. You seem to be implying that climate change will end humanity. It won't. I don't think it even could.

Here is a chart detailing the climactic history of the planet.

"en.wikipedia.org"

You can see the PETM occurred about 55 million years ago, and temperatures were about 23 degrees warmer than today. Rather than being a hostile environment, at least to terrestrial life, this is when mammals came into existence.

#32 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-01-13 05:28 AM | Reply

The Aztecs were very concerned about climate change. They did everything they could to try to influence it, according to their scientific understanding at the time.

#33 | Posted by sentinel at 2023-01-13 07:15 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"temperatures were about 23 degrees warmer than today. Rather than being a hostile environment,"

^
Imagine being so stupid that you just said 23 degrees warmer isn't a hostile environment.

#34 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-01-13 08:50 AM | Reply

"Imagine being so stupid that you just said 23 degrees warmer isn't a hostile environment."

Well, it was during that time that our first primate ancestors crawled out of the mud, so it could not have been too hostile.

#35 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-01-13 10:52 AM | Reply

No, you're just a moron.

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-01-13 10:54 AM | Reply

Go turn the heat up 23 degrees and get back to us.

You pathetic loser.

#37 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-01-13 10:55 AM | Reply

Keep dreaming Madbomber...

It can easily eliminate humanity,
by eliminating creatures we depend
upon (without most of us even knowing it).

e.g. Blue-green algae (photosynthetic plankton)

quote: "Scientists estimate that 50-80% of the
oxygen production on Earth comes from the ocean.
The majority of this production is from oceanic
plankton " drifting plants, algae, and some bacteria
that can photosynthesize."

Guess what the increased ocean warming and acidification
and salinization of the ocean is now hurting.

You guessed it, Blue-green algae (phytoplankton)...

Just goes to show, what you don't know, can and will
kill you. Nature is a harsh mistress. People who are
'not in the know about a subject but pretend to be'
should really not debate people that have studied the
subject for decades. And I am by no
means an expert. No PhD here, just someone who has
read a lot about it and kept up with the science.
But I know people that ARE experts in the field, and
there is definitely ample evidence to be worried.

#38 | Posted by earthmuse at 2023-01-13 10:55 AM | Reply

I disagree with the loonies on a few things
Apparently with the experts and scientists at EXXON, too.

Hook, line, and sinker. Your the dipchit that keeps the likes of Alex Jones on the air.
DeSantis was going on and on about the gas stoves and liberals. Geesuz Kerist. What a group of morons! I swear to high heavens I've never seen such a level of stupid over such a large group on my entire life! STUPID!

They've turned an idea of getting a rebate of $900 if you replace a gas stove with an electric into "they're coming for my gas!" (only had to change two letters - g"un" to g"as". Gotta keep it simple)

Well, it was during that time that our first primate ancestors crawled out of the mud, so it could not have been too hostile.
Do you honestly think that those first mammals could survive as they are today, or that humans could survive in that environment just because we both are "mammals" separated by 55 million years of evolution? BTW- it's 205 million years and the first mammal is named Morganucodon.

#39 | Posted by YAV at 2023-01-13 11:16 AM | Reply

#37

You started drinking early today, din'cha.

#40 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-01-13 11:23 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" #39 | POSTED BY YAV AT 2023-01-13 11:16 AM | FLAG: "

Obviously if a switch is flipped and the world became 23 degrees warmer over night a mass extinction event would be triggered. The animal kingdom has shown resilience to these changes. Humans have an even greater advantage of being able to counteract climate via technology. AC and gas furnaces (that the left hate, apparently).

#41 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-01-13 11:24 AM | Reply

You started drinking early today, din'cha.
#40 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Drunk or not, your comment is so stupid that even a child can see what's wrong with it.
You have children. Maybe see if they're smarter than you?
Nah. You won't do that.
---- off, useless bitch.

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-01-13 11:28 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The animal kingdom has shown resilience to these changes."

Could the brush be any broader?
Cockroaches are in the animal kingdom.
Apparently you think humans and cockroaches are more or less on the same footing.
In your case, you are correct about that.

#43 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-01-13 11:32 AM | Reply

Iy was sort of cold yesterday in som cities of the north and that proves global warming is just a left wing hoax.

#44 | Posted by danni at 2023-01-13 11:33 AM | Reply

"Obviously if a switch is flipped and the world became 23 degrees warmer over night a mass extinction event would be triggered"

"temperatures were about 23 degrees warmer than today. Rather than being a hostile environment, at least to terrestrial life, this is when mammals came into existence."

^
Sounds like you two Deplorables have a lot to talk about!

#45 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-01-13 11:36 AM | Reply

Getting popcorn.

#46 | Posted by YAV at 2023-01-13 11:37 AM | Reply

""Obviously if a switch is flipped and the world became 23 degrees warmer over night a mass extinction event would be triggered"

More likely a mass drowning event.

#47 | Posted by danni at 2023-01-13 11:42 AM | Reply

#46. Really?

You think that moron made a point?

Please cite a scientific model that shows man made carbon emissions triggering a 23 degree spike in temps over the course of a year. Heck, a thousand years.

#48 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-01-13 11:42 AM | Reply

Of course, militaries around the world have been preparing for the effects of obvious climate change, no matter the sources, for well over a decade now.

It appears that Miss Bomber didn't get the memo.

#49 | Posted by Corky at 2023-01-13 11:44 AM | Reply

The Aztecs were very concerned about climate change. They did everything they could to try to influence it, according to their scientific understanding at the time.

#33 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

Yes republicans could learn a thing or two from history.

Turns out that cutting down all the trees you can and ripping the hearts out of people and bouncing them down the steps to cheering mobs really doesn't help prevent climate change.

#50 | Posted by donnerboy at 2023-01-13 11:44 AM | Reply

Please cite a scientific model that shows man made carbon emissions triggering a 23 degree spike in temps over the course of a year. Heck, a thousand years.

Please address your question to the originator.

That's why I have popcorn.

#51 | Posted by YAV at 2023-01-13 11:49 AM | Reply

Please cite a scientific model that shows man made carbon emissions triggering a 23 degree spike in temps over the course of a year. Heck, a thousand years.
#48 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Oh, so you're saying MadBomber's stupid claim isn't supported by anything.

#52 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-01-13 11:54 AM | Reply

" Oh, so you're saying MadBomber's stupid claim isn't supported by anything.

#52 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2023-01-13 11:54 AM | FLAG: "

Not at all. His claim is logical. Millions of years ago life flourished on this planet when temps were way higher. The implication, as I see it, is we need to ratchet down the apocalyptic rhetoric about a half degree increase over the course of a few decades especially given that not all of the increase is man-made.

#53 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-01-13 12:17 PM | Reply

Uh-huh...
drudge.com

#54 | Posted by YAV at 2023-01-13 12:18 PM | Reply

" Please address your question to the originator. "

Ok.

Madbomber,

Please expound upon this.

#55 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-01-13 12:20 PM | Reply

"Millions of years ago life flourished on this planet when temps were way higher."

To put into context why this is meaningless:
When has life not been flourishing on this planet?

#56 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-01-13 12:35 PM | Reply

It's funny how human beings, even the those who have convinced themselves that they are the most "enlightened" and secular among us, still have an innate tendency to seek meaning in something bigger than themselves.

The hypothesis of widespread, consequential, and human-induced "Climate Change" is the Catholicism of the modern-day, know-nothing "Progressive" ----.

It offers all of dogma, but none of the redemption.

One could also make the case that the Wuhan Institute of Virology recently nailed their 95 Theses to the door to create another spawn of "Progressive" Divinity, but that remains to be seen.

Nevertheless, the reaction to heretics is utterly hilarious to watch. The smug self-righteousness in it would put any old Southern Baptist scold to shame.

"How dare you?"

#57 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2023-01-13 12:41 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"we need to ratchet down the apocalyptic rhetoric"

What an amazing coincidence.
That's the same thing Exxon said in 1979!
Conservatives simply refuse to accept the truth.

Exxon disputed climate findings for years. Its scientists knew better.
Research shows that company modeled and predicted global warming with 'shocking skill and accuracy' starting in the 1970s
news.harvard.edu

#58 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-01-13 12:46 PM | Reply

{yawn}

#59 | Posted by YAV at 2023-01-13 12:46 PM | Reply

#59 for #57.

#58 - Exactly. Why Mao's post was so yawn-worthy.

#60 | Posted by YAV at 2023-01-13 12:48 PM | Reply

#57
The denial of Climate Change is the Catholicism of the modern-day Conservative.

You don't even have to be a Know-Nothing or Deplorable to do it... but then again, are there any Conservatives who aren't also Know-Nothings and Deplorables?
Not around these parts!

#61 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-01-13 12:50 PM | Reply

From news.harvard.edu
"I think this new study is the smoking gun, the proof, because it shows the degree of understanding ... this really deep, really sophisticated, really skillful understanding that was obscured by what came next," Oreskes said. "It proves a point I've argued for years that ExxonMobil scientists knew about this problem to a shockingly fine degree as far back as the 1980s, but company spokesmen denied, challenged, and obscured this science, starting in the late 1980s/early 1990s."

How dare they, Pinche?

#62 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-01-13 12:51 PM | Reply

#57 | POSTED BY MAO_CONTENT

CONGRATS!

You've been awarded Dumbest Post on the DR!

We don't give out this award to just anyone. You have to post truly exceptional BS to get this award. And you surpassed our wildest expectations.

MAO_CONTENT, you will never be forgotten. Your name will live on for eternity in the halls of the truly stupid DR posters and be remembered alongside such greats as Sniper and AndreaMackris.

#63 | Posted by Sycophant at 2023-01-13 12:52 PM | Reply

"You've been awarded Dumbest Post on the DR!"

^
That's a Badge of Honor for the Modern Day Know Nothing Party.

He gets immunity from having to eat today's cookie over at Boaz's KKK chat room.

#64 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-01-13 12:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Yes republicans could learn a thing or two from history.
Turns out that cutting down all the trees you can and ripping the hearts out of people and bouncing them down the steps to cheering mobs really doesn't help prevent climate change."

I actually agree with you about conservation (never really understood how conservation became identified with the term "Liberal"), but that's obviously not the analogy I was making, nor is it really a valid one. People who want to cut down all the trees they can do not see it as a sacrifice that can influence many types of natural disasters or prevent the extinction of humankind.

#65 | Posted by sentinel at 2023-01-13 01:26 PM | Reply

"People who want to cut down all the trees they can do not see it as a sacrifice that can influence many types of natural disasters or prevent the extinction of humankind."

Yeah and children who eat lead paint think it's yummy.

What's your point?

#66 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-01-13 01:52 PM | Reply

The EPA is independent of the Administration? To which branch do they report?

#67 | Posted by visitor_ at 2023-01-13 01:59 PM | Reply

#19 | Posted by visitor_

Wait til you see what happens when the farms run dry because we listened to your climate change denying cult for decades instead of taking action.

#21 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

Not to mention aquifers America's heartland relies on to grow food, like the Oglala, which is draining at higher levels than rain can replace it.

This is from 3 years ago. The Oglala is lower now than then:

National Climate Assessment: Great Plains' Ogallala Aquifer drying out

www.climate.gov

#68 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2023-01-13 02:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The Oglala is lower now than then:

I read about that a while ago. The aquifer isn't just a big hole in the ground that collects rainwater, it only replenishes about a half inch per year at the best of times. It's down about 18 feet from normal now. All the heavy rains and flooding in California might refill the surface reservoirs but not so much the aquifers below.

#69 | Posted by REDIAL at 2023-01-13 02:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I can guarantee you that the rain in Cali won't fill the Ogala Aquifer and neither will zero CO2 emissions.

#70 | Posted by visitor_ at 2023-01-13 03:05 PM | Reply

The EPA is independent of the Administration? To which branch do they report?

#67 | Posted by visitor_

SCIENCE is independent of administration.

Just like it's independent of sponsor. Like how exxon paid scientists who used the scientific process to conclude that exxon's products would cause catastrophic climate change. Instead of adjusting their approach, exxon buried the science and started a propaganda war against science, which is why your party is now so stupid.

#71 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2023-01-13 03:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I can guarantee you that the rain in Cali won't fill the Ogala Aquifer and neither will zero CO2 emissions.

#70 | Posted by visitor_

No but listening to liberals and scientists decades ago would have prevented much of the damage.

Moral of the story - listening to republicans causes mass suffering and financial expenses.

#72 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2023-01-13 03:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Rwingers are more concerned about owning them a lib by focusing on why the climate is changing rather than the fact that it is.

Regardless of what percent of change is due to manmade causes, you might want to start investing in the Rust Belt, as they will have a Florida-esque climate sooner rather than later.

I mean, that's what the smart money says.... oh, wait, that likely 'splains why wingnuts focus on anything but the end results.

#73 | Posted by Corky at 2023-01-13 03:13 PM | Reply

Conservatives are always opposed to change.

#74 | Posted by sentinel at 2023-01-13 03:33 PM | Reply

Conservatives are always opposed to change.

#74 | Posted by sentinel

Unless its CLIMATE change. Then they're all for it. MTG says it will keep people from freezing to death.

#75 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2023-01-13 03:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I can guarantee you that the rain in Cali won't fill the Ogala Aquifer and neither will zero CO2 emissions.
#70 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

Can you tell us where the water went?
Maybe ask Pinche to help with that. He knows.

#76 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-01-13 04:16 PM | Reply

Conservatives are always opposed to change.
#74 | Posted by sentinel
Unless its CLIMATE change. Then they're all for it. MTG says it will keep people from freezing to death.
#75 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

That's right!
Right here in this thread
Two of the most obstinate, pig-headed Conservatives you'll ever meet
Are telling us that 23 degrees warmer will help life flourish on Planet Earth!

#77 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-01-13 04:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Conservatives are always opposed to change.

#74 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

Then they shouldn't be allowed in Government.

Thank you for admitting it.

#78 | Posted by Sycophant at 2023-01-13 05:03 PM | Reply

Can you tell us where the water went?
Maybe ask Pinche to help with that. He knows.

The Ogallala sits under shortgrass prairie in a semi-arid region. It's country meant for buffalo and cattle and should have never seen the plow. But it did, and so for decades big Cummins engines have been pumping water out to irrigate the food and fiber crops. The Ogallala is not a karstic aquifer (like the Edwards) and doesn't recharge rapidly and directly with widespread rainfall. Instead, water stored in natural playa lakes on the plains slowly, slowly, slowly infiltrates the water table.

It's a very simple water-balance calculation that, as Visitor so adroitly pointed out above, has ------- to do with "climate change" or "COVID" or California or whatever other existential crisis you've decided to flail your little wrists about this week. When you pump water out of a reservoir at a faster rate than it recharges, the levels in said reservoir are going to drop.

It's not so much that the Ogllala is literally "drying up" so much as it is the water table is falling below the (current) ability of mankind to extract it in an economically feasible manner.

Rwingers are more concerned about owning them a lib by focusing on why the climate is changing rather than the fact that it is.

What a stupid thing to say.

Of course "tEh cLiMaTe iS ChAaAnGiNg(!)"

It always has.

Fun Fact:

There's a reason you can find fossilized sea shells 200 miles inland from the Texas coast.

Hard Pill:

That reason has nothing to do with mankind's insufficient fealty to the nostrums of modern dumbass Progressives Climate Change Scripture.

#79 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2023-01-13 05:39 PM | Reply

Of course "tEh cLiMaTe iS ChAaAnGiNg(!)"

It always has.

#79 | Posted by Mao_Content

When in human history has the climate changed this rapidly and when in human existence have C02 levels been this high?

(answer: NEVER)

#80 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2023-01-13 05:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's a very simple water-balance calculation that, as Visitor so adroitly pointed out above, has ------- to do with "climate change" or "COVID" or California or whatever other existential crisis you've decided to flail your little wrists about this week. When you pump water out of a reservoir at a faster rate than it recharges, the levels in said reservoir are going to drop.

#79 | Posted by Mao_Content

Reservoirs are going to drop when there are massive droughts resulting from mankind releasing mass quantities of C02 into the atmosphere over a short timespan. Just as climate scientists predicted would happen.

Funny how the people you call limp wristed were right about both climate change and covid. Somehow you think it makes you more masculine to not worry about mass death, because you have a limp brain.

#81 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2023-01-13 05:43 PM | Reply

"It's country meant for buffalo and cattle and should have never seen the plow."

Unabomber, welcome to the Drudge Retort!

#82 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-01-13 06:15 PM | Reply

Reservoirs are going to drop when there are massive droughts resulting from mankind releasing mass quantities of C02 into the atmosphere

No.

Reservoirs are going to drop when there are droughts resulting from prolonged periods of below-average rainfall.

Such periods have commonplace since long before your lineage oozed out of the primordial slime from whence it came and have continued to be commonplace ever since.

The unqualified hubris of the typical Progressive dumbass never ceases to amaze.

The presence of anything resembling human beings on earth constitutes but a nanosecond on the scale of geologic time. The presence of human beings engaged in activities left-wing dumb@asses have decided they don't like (i.e. engaged in modernity) is even less than that.

The idea that Left-Wing Public Policy is going to somehow stabilize macroclimate cycles and make the weather gooder (whatever "gooder" looks like) is the apex of Marxist -------- Utopianism.

#83 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2023-01-13 06:19 PM | Reply

"It's not so much that the Ogllala is literally "drying up" so much as it is the water table is falling below the (current) ability of mankind to extract it in an economically feasible manner."

Oh yeah.
Pinche had to go to college to learn how to be this dumb!
It's not fair to call a drought a drought. It's simply the amount of water is falling below the (current) ability of mankind to extract it in an economically feasible manner.

#84 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-01-13 06:24 PM | Reply

"The idea that Left-Wing Public Policy is going to somehow stabilize macroclimate cycles"

What about the idea that manmade carbon emissions (cattle, cars, etc.) can somehow destabilize climate during our "nanosecond on the scale of geologic time?"

#85 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-01-13 06:29 PM | Reply

Or is it like, hey in another few geologic seconds, a million years in the future, things will be okay, so who cares about the world my daughter grows up in?

#86 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-01-13 06:31 PM | Reply

It swirls from Democrats can't fix it to nothing's broken to mistakes were made that changed the environment to how stupid do you have to be to think you could change the environment.

A Rainbow of Fruit Flavors from the Kubler-Ross Spectrum!

#87 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-01-13 06:47 PM | Reply

It's not fair to call a drought a drought. It's simply the amount of water is falling below the (current) ability of mankind to extract it in an economically feasible manner.

It's not a difficult concept, Obtoofy.

Will a drought impact the levels of an indirect recharge aquifer like the Ogallala?

It certainly will.

But the Ogallala has set there for millennia as the land above it experienced both bad droughts and wet cycles that refilled the playas that recharge it.

It wasn't until we started drilling high capacity wells into it a little over 100 years ago that it began to drop precipitously.

Therefore, using the aquifer level as a barometer of anthropogenic "climate change" is incorrect.

What about the idea that manmade carbon emissions (cattle, cars, etc.) can somehow destabilize climate during our "nanosecond on the scale of geologic time?"

That would require one to buy into the idea that there was ever such thing as a "stabilized" climate---or much stasis in the natural environment at all.

People who think that's the case are generally the people whose Birkenstocks have rarely left the pavement---and whose understanding of natural science was generally formed by Walt Disney movies and Salon articles.

#88 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2023-01-13 06:53 PM | Reply

so who cares about the world my daughter grows up in?

Oh ----.

You've procreated?

#89 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2023-01-13 06:54 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Reservoirs are going to drop when there are droughts resulting from prolonged periods of below-average rainfall.

Such periods have commonplace since long before your lineage oozed out of the primordial slime from whence it came and have continued to be commonplace ever since.

#83 | Posted by Mao_Content

Below average rainfall resulting from....MANMADE CLIMATE CHANGE. As predicted by climate scientists decades ago.

No other time in human existence has seen the climate change this rapidly.

The climate when the air was sulfur and the earth was nothing but earthquakes and volcanoes is irrelevant.

#90 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2023-01-13 07:01 PM | Reply

The unqualified hubris of the typical Progressive dumbass never ceases to amaze.

#83 | Posted by Mao_Content

Hubris is trashing the earth and thinking there wont be consequences. Too bad climate change consequences can't just impact the morons like you who calls them a hoax.

#91 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2023-01-13 07:02 PM | Reply

No other time in human existence has seen the climate change this rapidly.

LOL Really?

What does the NOAA data tell us about the weather trends on the High Plains around 800-900 AD?

You poor, hysterical little ----.

Put your mask on.


#92 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2023-01-13 07:05 PM | Reply

- What a stupid thing to say.

Just an observation... which you had the courtesy to confirm in your post, attacking the boogey man you created.

It IS imaginative, howsomever, to pretend that rwingers in general around the country don't truly believe that not only is man not at all contributing to the thinning of the ozone layer, but most of your Patriot buddies would deny to your face that it's even happening at all.

It's just another Conspiracy.

Which is, one supposes a compliment to the efficacy of the propaganda that energy and other corporate Super Citizens purchase, along with the rwing politicians they use to write laws in their favor.

Kudos, eh?

#93 | Posted by Corky at 2023-01-13 07:09 PM | Reply

@#88 ... Therefore, using the aquifer level as a barometer of anthropogenic "climate change" is incorrect. ...

I mostly agree with that statement.

But i will also add the following, maybe the area had to draw more water from the aquifer because the other menas of watering the crops (e.g., rain) were no longer sufficient.


#94 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-01-13 07:10 PM | Reply

@#92 ... What does the NOAA data tell us about the weather trends on the High Plains around 800-900 AD? ...

Why do you assume that NOAA data is the only input of data that the climate scientists use?

#95 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-01-13 07:15 PM | Reply

"Such periods have commonplace since long before your lineage oozed out of the primordial slime from whence it came and have continued to be commonplace ever since."

I'm not quite sure I understand this reasoning.
You're saying since rivers sometimes dry up in the course of history, which is certainly true.
But that seems like an even better reason to not take too much water from a river, in case it starts drying up, as sometimes happens in the course of history.

#96 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-01-13 07:29 PM | Reply

I mostly agree with that statement.

I don't really give a ---- whether you agree with it or not, to be quite frank with you.

maybe the area had to draw more water from the aquifer because the other menas of watering the crops (e.g., rain) were no longer sufficient.

That goes back to my earlier point about plowing under short grass prairie in a semi-arid ecosystem to cultivate crops requiring irrigation.

Yes, you will have have excellent summer rains some years and will therefore not be required to pump much.

But it's also the High Plains of North America---which has never been a place where you want to "bet" you're going to have consistent, adequate rainfall to sustain row crops.

Why do you assume that NOAA data is the only input of data that the climate scientists use?

Why do you assume the modeling of proxy data is sufficient gruel upon which to re-arrange civilized Western society?

#97 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2023-01-13 07:50 PM | Reply

I'm not quite sure I understand this reasoning.

I've no doubt we could spend half a lifetime musing over things you don't understand.

You're saying since rivers sometimes dry up in the course of history, which is certainly true.
But that seems like an even better reason to not take too much water from a river, in case it starts drying up, as sometimes happens in the course of history.

That's simple water conservation, Obtoofy. It's a good idea. Especially west of the 100th Meridian. That's why we have River Authorities and Groundwater Conservation Districts.

#98 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2023-01-13 08:02 PM | Reply

@#97 ... I don't really give a ---- whether you agree with it or not, to be quite frank with you. ...

You've expressed that opinion in the past. On more than one occasion. Yet I still seem to reply to your comments. But I do have to ask why your comments seem to work so hard to repel other participants from replying to them? :)

Thank you, btw, for being frank with me. I do appreciate it.

.... Yes, you will have have excellent summer rains some years and will therefore not be required to pump much. ...

"You will have" or "you used to have?"

That seems to be the question here.

Why have the rains apparently dried up?


... Why do you assume the modeling of proxy data is sufficient gruel upon which to re-arrange civilized Western society? ...

Re-arrange civilized Western society?

Oh please, stop clutching your pearls. :)

But to your point, the earlier data has been shown to be mostly correct. Indeed, recent data seems to show the earlier data had erred on the more conservative side.



#99 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-01-13 08:10 PM | Reply

Why have the rains apparently dried up?

Why have the rains on the once lush High Plains dried up?

I mean, paleolithic cave drawings discovered in NW Texas, New Mexico, Kansas, and Nebraska depict scenes of hunting crocodiles and other tropical fauna from dugout canoes.

Coronado, when first passing through the area, bragged in his diaries of the abundance of water and thick jungle foliage on the Llano Estacado.

I guess it was all those Ford Explorers that suddenly made it quit raining out there.

Dumbass.

#100 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2023-01-13 08:25 PM | Reply

@#100 ... Why have the rains on the once lush High Plains dried up? ...

The effects of climate change are mostly a 20th and 21st century phenomenon.

You really need to update your timeframe.

Meanwhile, while you get up to date...

U.S. Drought Monitor
droughtmonitor.unl.edu

#101 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-01-13 08:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The effects of climate change are mostly a 20th and 21st century phenomenon.

No. They're not.

That's why we have Great Lakes and seashell fossils 200 miles inland.

U.S. Drought Monitor

I'm well aware of the drought monitor.

I used to help create it.

Drought has been a permanent and constantly shifting feature of Earth for millennia and will continue to be so for millennia.

#102 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2023-01-13 08:45 PM | Reply

MAO,

Fact of the matter is, you're simply unconvincing. The sad part is that you actually THINK you're convincing.

You're not.

Swallow it.

#103 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2023-01-13 08:46 PM | Reply

@#102 ... No. They're not. ...

Yes they are.

Man-made climate change has been around in the 20th and 21st centuries.

If you look at the longer-term changes your comments mention, you will see a cooling of climate, until the effects of man-made climate change reverse that change.

Back in the 1970's I remember talk of how we were entering the next ice-age because of that cooling.

Then things changed.

Climate Change: Global Temperature
www.climate.gov

There's an interesting chart in that article. Note the 1970's when the temps dipped. That's when I heard to exclamations of "next ice age."



#104 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-01-13 08:51 PM | Reply

Another chart...

Global Temperature Trends From 2500 B.C. To 2040 A.D.
www.longrangeweather.com

#105 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-01-13 08:53 PM | Reply

@#100 ... I guess it was all those Ford Explorers that suddenly made it quit raining out there. ...

If that is how you really view the climate change problem, then you have fewer neurons to rub together than I had previously thought.

Maybe I have been giving you too much credit.


#106 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-01-13 08:59 PM | Reply

What does the NOAA data tell us about the weather trends on the High Plains around 800-900 AD?

You poor, hysterical little ----.

Put your mask on.

#92 | Posted by Mao_Content

It tells us C02 levels have never risen this far this fast before in human history. Like I said.

And just in case anyone thought your idiocy might be isolated to just climate change denial, thanks for the reminder that youre so stupid that wearing a mask was too much to ask to save your fellow citizens' lives.

#107 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2023-01-13 09:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Drunk or not, your comment is so stupid that even a child can see what's wrong with it."

A child?

Y'mean Greta?

But back to the statement...what exactly is wrong with it...other than it doesn't align with your own preferred worldview?

#108 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-01-14 05:01 AM | Reply

"Please expound upon this."

I'm not clear on what I am being asked to expound upon.

Here are the facts. Climate change is real. It's happening. And people need to accept that.

I'm pretty sure religion began when one cave man stood up in front of the others and promised to change the weather if they submitted themselves to him. Progressives are doing much the same now. But their ability to control the weather isn't much different than that of a cave man, 20,000 years ago.

#109 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-01-14 05:08 AM | Reply

"To put into context why this is meaningless: When has life not been flourishing on this planet?"

The fact that life flourished is the required context.

The whole climate "crisis" argument becomes a whole lot less critical when you frame it not as a transformational event, rather than one where humanity ends.

#110 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-01-14 05:11 AM | Reply

"You've been awarded Dumbest Post on the DR!"

Read: You've been given the award most likely to anger progressives by questioning their moral imperative.

That's an award I wouldn't mind winning.

#111 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-01-14 05:13 AM | Reply

"Then they shouldn't be allowed in Government."

Do you think some are redeemable?

Maybe build some camps where they can reflect on their evils? Maybe add in some re-education?

And if not, maybe build some ovens?

#112 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-01-14 05:15 AM | Reply

The positives of climate change:

www.climate.gov

#113 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-01-14 05:18 AM | Reply

The whole climate "crisis" argument becomes a whole lot less critical when you frame it not as a transformational event, rather than one where humanity ends.

#110 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER AT 2023-01-14 05:11 AM | FLAG:

It's just going to kill a lot of people, like the covid you don't care about either.

I think you are incapable of empathy unless it directly involves you. Are you a republican?

#114 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2023-01-14 08:22 AM | Reply

"I think you are incapable of empathy unless it directly involves you. Are you a republican?"

Really? Interesting.

You seem to have empathy for a small majority, whom everyone else should be expected to sacrifice on their behalf.

#115 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-01-14 09:11 AM | Reply

"Interesting. You seem to have empathy for a small majority"

It's popped up in literature before.

I believe one central character referred to them as "the least of my brethren".

#116 | Posted by Danforth at 2023-01-14 09:34 AM | Reply

Yup comrades! There is a hot time in the old world tonight. As the energy on Earth increases, tempers flare and there are more wars. And guess what? You all lose. Such a big deal the war in Ukraine! Do I care about Crimea, Donbas, and Luhansk? Not a fig. But millions of USA citizens have to sleep in the streets as millions more enter the USA illegally, and this is because the USA is sending tens of billions of tax dollars to Ukraine to fight the mighty Russians. Yes the Red Menace dragon has reared its head again. And we must suffer to support Zelenskyy because of his ties to Israel.

#117 | Posted by wolfdog at 2023-01-14 10:44 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Oh Look.

Cachuma Lake is Santa Barbara County is at capacity for the first time since 2011.

Apparently, the climate changed this week.

#118 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2023-01-14 04:40 PM | Reply

#118 | POSTED BY MAO_CONTENT

Weekend is here and Mao is spending it trolling on the DR.

Sad.

#119 | Posted by ClownShack at 2023-01-14 04:43 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Yessir, deforestation is cool, but outlaw them gas stoves.
#7 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTURDS

The dumb fking moron who chugs ivermectin, because Fox News told him to.

Is also crying about Dems are coming for his gas stove, because Fox News told him so.

Who would have thunk it.

I bet a few more guns will help prevent Obama from invading Texas.

You dumb fking moron.

#120 | Posted by ClownShack at 2023-01-14 04:54 PM | Reply

"You seem to be implying that climate change will end humanity."

Can you tell us what climate change due to humanity?
No.
Then how can you say what it won't do?
You. Can't.

#121 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-01-14 09:00 PM | Reply

The positives of climate change:
www.climate.gov
#113 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

"At some point, the benefits to crops of increased carbon dioxide will likely be overwhelmed by the negative impacts of heat stress and drought."

When is that point, MadBomber?
How can you say we haven't passed it?

#122 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-01-14 09:04 PM | Reply

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