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Friday, January 13, 2023

Projections created internally by ExxonMobil starting in the late 1970s on the impact of fossil fuels on climate change were very accurate, even surpassing those of some academic and governmental scientists, according to an analysis published Thursday in Science by a team of Harvard-led researchers.

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Just like the tobacco industry.
Lie
Hide
All the while knowing.

#1 | Posted by YAV at 2023-01-13 10:15 AM | Reply

"Despite those forecasts, team leaders say, the multinational energy giant continued to sow doubt about the gathering crisis."

Nothing wrong with having opinions, even if the opinions are rooted in lies.
And it would be wrong to punish them for their opinions!

Signed,
Conservatives.

#2 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-01-13 10:17 AM | Reply

Nothing wrong with mining BitCoin, even if all I do is complain about others wasting energy.
And it would be wrong to punish me for wasting energy to make money!
Signed,
Snoofy.

#3 | Posted by oneironaut at 2023-01-13 11:02 AM | Reply

More from the cited article..

...Allegations that oil company executives sought to mislead the public about the industry's role in climate change have drawn increasing scrutiny in recent years, including lawsuits by several states and cities and a recent high profile U.S. House committee investigation....

... oil company executives sought to mislead the public about the industry's role in climate change ...

I think that "sought to mislead" is a bit of an understatement here.

Big Oil seemed to actively and aggressively promote political policies and candidates that belied their own research and the data resulting from that research.


#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-01-13 11:16 AM | Reply

Merchants of Doubt.

#5 | Posted by Tor at 2023-01-13 06:50 PM | Reply

"Projections created internally by ExxonMobil starting in the late 1970s on the impact of fossil fuels on climate change were very accurate,"

Mao?

Wherefore art thou, Mao?

#6 | Posted by Corky at 2023-01-13 11:06 PM | Reply


@#6 .... Wherefore art thou, Mao? ...

Mao seems to be busy on this thread regarding climate stuff....

drudge.com

#7 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-01-13 11:47 PM | Reply

Where is the billion dollar lawsuit against Exxon for knowing this and lying about it? All proceeds from such a lawsuit should be directed by the courts to be spent on green energy interests.

#8 | Posted by earthmuse at 2023-01-14 08:03 AM | Reply

Gotta love how quiet this thread is for righties.

I mean, shouldn't they be pointing out how the energy companies are just saying whatever necessary to get government grants?

#9 | Posted by jpw at 2023-01-14 02:54 PM | Reply

#9 There is nothing to be silent about. It is what it is. After the nonstop apocalyptic predictions that we've been firehosed with for the past few decades it's good to see that someone got it mostly right. I would think the scientific community would be clamoring to get their hands on the climate models Exxon and others were using.

As for "hiding" things -they were predictions. There really isn't much to hide. If anything, had those predictions been released 2 decades ago they would have been blasted by the left as propaganda because it was all supposed to be so much worse. Further, in order to file any kind of lawsuit it would have to be proven that our current state of global climate is somehow more harmful to mankind than it was in the '70's. Even further than that, the current warming trend started about 10,000 years ago so even in the absence of man-made emissions the globe would still be warmer now than in the '70's.

That isn't the dunk you think it is, JPW.

#10 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-01-14 03:09 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"After the nonstop apocalyptic predictions that we've been firehosed with for the past few decades"

Give us an example of these apocalyptic predictions please.

#11 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-01-14 09:13 PM | Reply

"it's good to see that someone got it mostly right."

^
What did they get (mostly) right? The science or the coverup?

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-01-14 09:15 PM | Reply

There is nothing to be silent about. It is what it is.

LOL even a major oil corporation is saying you've been dead wrong in your unthinking repetition of energy company disinformation and all you can say is "it is what it is."

No, it's much more than that. It's a heaping helping of "STFU, you don't know ----."

After the nonstop apocalyptic predictions that we've been firehosed with for the past few decades it's good to see that someone got it mostly right. I would think the scientific community would be clamoring to get their hands on the climate models Exxon and others were using.

Oh please. Drop the hyperventilating nonsense.

As for "hiding" things -they were predictions. There really isn't much to hide.

LOL and yet they did. Aggressively.

You really are a stooge. Probably because your usual lack of self-awareness leaves you unaware of the metric ton of egg on your face.

If anything, had those predictions been released 2 decades ago they would have been blasted by the left as propaganda because it was all supposed to be so much worse.

You get that strawman, lil jeffy! You get it good!

Further, in order to file any kind of lawsuit it would have to be proven that our current state of global climate is somehow more harmful to mankind than it was in the '70's.

Wouldn't be hard to do.

Exxon probably already put together that info so you can shrug it off as well LOL

Even further than that, the current warming trend started about 10,000 years ago so even in the absence of man-made emissions the globe would still be warmer now than in the '70's.

Duuuhhhh ThE EaRthZ HaS LaWayS CycCled Duh CliMAtE!!!

Try again. Better yet, don't. Just STFU and leave this to people who actually know WFT they're talking about.

That isn't the dunk you think it is, JPW.

#10 | Posted by BellRinger

Because you're too big an idiot to see how you've just been had. So had you continue to spew the same BS despite being informed that the very company that spoon fed you the BS lines you're using knew they were lying their asses off.

#13 | Posted by jpw at 2023-01-14 10:19 PM | Reply

#13 Dude, here's a huge mug of humility - try it sometime. You've got such a God complex. It's really pathetic. Book-smart and spouting left-wing pablum is no substitute for independent thinking.

Every one of your responses to my post was an insult. Which is fine. Trading barbs can be fun.

Just don't delude yourself into thinking your pseudo-intellectualism remotely resembles rational thought.

Go take another bong hit.

#14 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-01-15 01:38 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Book-smart

I don't see the "book smart" part, but fair enough......

Pussoir is a low to mid-level "specialist" in whatever his field may be.

That doesn't make him a bad person.

#15 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2023-01-15 01:51 AM | Reply

Bad person?

Agree, no he's not.

Vastly over-inflated ego?

Yes and I'm having a difficult time understanding why.

#16 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-01-15 02:17 AM | Reply

independent thinking.

LOL the company that sold you lies knew they were lies. And you continue to cling to them while thinking you're actually producing novel thoughts.

I don't have to have any complex to see how absurd that is.

#17 | Posted by jpw at 2023-01-15 11:22 AM | Reply

Yes and I'm having a difficult time understanding why.

Let's start with the fact that you believed lies and continue to after they've been fully outed as lies but can't even see that.

We can move into other topics once that's worked though.

#18 | Posted by jpw at 2023-01-15 11:24 AM | Reply

#14 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

^
Literally does nothing to address any of the points that were raised.

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-01-15 12:30 PM | Reply

"As for "hiding" things -they were predictions. There really isn't much to hide."

Sounds like you acknowledge that they hid their predictions.

Sounds like you're okay with that.

#20 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-01-15 12:33 PM | Reply

Which lies are you referring to?

#21 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-01-15 12:40 PM | Reply

Dude, your entire schtick is "I'm right and you're wrong "

Unless you are discussing mucus you rarely say anything substantive

#22 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-01-15 12:43 PM | Reply

"Further, in order to file any kind of lawsuit it would have to be proven that our current state of global climate is somehow more harmful to mankind than it was in the '70's."

What was CO2 in the 70s vs today?

Are you so dumb you don't know it's higher, or are you so dumb you don't know CO2 is a greenhouse gas.

If a company predicts their product is harmful, you don't think they have an obligation to disclose that information to their customers.

And that is is why you're a goon.

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-01-15 12:45 PM | Reply

"Dude, your entire schtick is "I'm right and you're wrong "

It's not a shtick

It's a fact.

He's right. You're wrong. "Take the L."

#24 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-01-15 12:46 PM | Reply

"independent thinking"

^
This is Deplorable speak for:
I don't want to believe it, so I choose not to!

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-01-15 12:54 PM | Reply

"Unless you are discussing mucus"

#22 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

That's your gig, Sneezy.

#26 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2023-01-15 01:41 PM | Reply

Dude, your entire schtick is "I'm right and you're wrong "

This thread is literally about how the oil companies convinced you to follow a false narrative.

It was willful disinformation that you swallowed whole, despite scientists telling you otherwise.

Now that the oil cos have told you otherwise as well, you're still sticking to your narrative.

You were, in fact, wrong. Very. Very. Wrong.

#27 | Posted by jpw at 2023-01-15 02:16 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 4

Which lies are you referring to?

#21 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

www.DingDong.lies.com

#28 | Posted by donnerboy at 2023-01-15 02:25 PM | Reply

Has the username "BellRinger" been right about anything?

He's a hyperventilating kooz and a mouthpiece for QANonsense.

#29 | Posted by ClownShack at 2023-01-15 04:39 PM | Reply

"#27 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2023-01-15 02:16 PM |"

What are you even talking about?

I've always acknowledged MMGW is a real thing.

What I've challenged is the apocalyptic predictions and hysteria (countless doomsday predictions have been lobbied over the past 4 decades that have past their expiration date and aren't even close to fruition) and the "solutions" that the left come up with to "tackle climate." Creating global starvation to try and shave one tenth of one degree over a 100 year span is ridiculous policy. Devastating, actually. It's become its own religion in terms of "solutions", acting as if man has a macro-climate thermostat that can be adjusted with ease.

#30 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-01-15 07:31 PM | Reply

Except there's a wide gradient from the "apocalyptic predictions," what's actually happened and the "meh, it's fine" of deniers.

Let's start here.

What effects of climate change do you think are caused by man's influence?

#31 | Posted by jpw at 2023-01-16 01:00 PM | Reply

#31. Effects? Any and all effects that are caused by a warmer climate both positive and negative. The globe was and is in a natural cyclical warming trend anyway. The Industrial Revolution sped the process up a bit by introducing g more greenhouse gases into the atmosphere than were occurring naturally.

#32 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-01-16 02:08 PM | Reply

Which effects? Specifically.

#33 | Posted by jpw at 2023-01-16 02:50 PM | Reply

" Which effects? Specifically.

#33 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2023-01-16 02:50 PM | FLAG: "

Effects of a warming global climate? I don't know what you are driving at. Please stop trying to be Socratic and just be direct.

#34 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-01-16 03:12 PM | Reply

I'm not being anything.

You said you acknowledge MMGW is real.

So I'm asking what effects have been measured that you acknowledge.

I guess I'll add what claims are made currently that you don't think are effects of MMGW.

Just trying to define boundaries here.

#35 | Posted by jpw at 2023-01-16 03:51 PM | Reply

I know what the effects of warming are. Some are positive and some are negative.

#36 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-01-16 09:29 PM | Reply

There aren't many positives, if any. There certainly aren't for increasing C02 levels. Trash plants grow faster, nutrients in food crops decrease, especially protein levels. Deforestation increases. Desertification increases. Insects and disease increase with the spread of the vectors. Arctic animals have no where to go and we're already seeing devastation.

You complain about human trafficking, slave trade, immigration? Global warming is causing a lot of it already and it's going to get a lot worse.

But please, list all the benefits.

#37 | Posted by YAV at 2023-01-16 09:37 PM | Reply

You need to lay off your trash news sources. Almost everything you just said is false.

Global warming is driving illegal immigration??? That's hilarious and pathetic.

#38 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-01-16 10:17 PM | Reply

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