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The approximately 10 documents marked classified and discovered at the Penn Biden Center included top-secret material, according to a federal law enforcement official familiar with the investigation.

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As mentioned the other day, this only became (and remains) a story because the DNC allowed it to be.

They installed The Vegetable in 2020, and now they're done with him.

But let not your heart be troubled.

Herr Schwab and his allies here will soon select you another prop to fight the Good Fight against Nationalism and Fascism(TM) and you will enthusiastically support whomever that may be.

#1 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2023-01-15 01:25 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Have they checked Trump's ex-wife's coffin?

#2 | Posted by Tor at 2023-01-15 02:12 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The real sign of the two tier justice system is that no attempt was made to retrieve these documents. The archivist didn't care about Biden's stash.

#3 | Posted by visitor_ at 2023-01-15 02:17 AM | Reply

The point that both MAO and VISITOR are missing is that the case in Biden's situation will be decided upon (1) Criminal Intent or (2) No Criminal Intent.

"No Criminal Intent" is a slam dunk.

Don't they wish the same could be said about Trump's case.

#4 | Posted by Twinpac at 2023-01-15 07:22 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 4

10 felonies?

#5 | Posted by HanoverFist at 2023-01-15 08:39 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Dotard is up to 33 boxes and that doesn't include the docs he flushed down the toilet.

#6 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2023-01-15 08:42 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Great. Throw him in jail right after Trump.

#7 | Posted by Sycophant at 2023-01-15 09:19 AM | Reply

For a brief period in my AF hitch, waiting for an assignment, I was made the squadron's technical order librarian. I had the proper clearance to read everything, because I had been vetted before I went to the technical school to become a jet mechanic (E4, 43151E). I had to deliver and install updates to the manuals for each individual aircraft. I drove around in the panel truck, dropping off updated pages with the crew chief. Each person who got the pages was told they had to remove and replace all the affected pages. I then installed updated pages in the main library and in the branch offices. One time, I got careless, and dropped a replaced page on my run without realizing I had done so. Somebody found it, and turned it in. I got talked to by the First Sergeant and promised to go forth and sin no more. End of amusing anecdote.

I am reasonably sure in Biden's saga, some monkey in the chain of command fxxked up. The event was over and done with, until the Congressional Rethuglicans caught wind of it and declared a catastrophe.

#8 | Posted by john47 at 2023-01-15 09:46 AM | Reply

It was all a missunna standing. Cawdam repubs making a big deal outta nothing.
Apple to awnges. Oh my awnge.. Get it.? Haw

#9 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2023-01-15 09:58 AM | Reply

What criminal intent are you alleging? And did you know intent has no bearing? 'I forgot I had them or where I put them' is an an admission of negligence which is may be criminal.

#10 | Posted by visitor_ at 2023-01-15 10:18 AM | Reply

#10 Apparently negligence alone has never been enough to get someone charged for mishandling classified documents, which is why Hillary Clinton was never charged:

During the Clinton email investigation, we identified *every* time DoJ had charged someone with mishandling classified. Ever.

4 categories emerged: intentional mishandling, vast quantities, a foreign power, or obstruction.

None applied to Clinton.

At least 2 apply to Trump.

twitter.com

As far as we know at this time, none of these apply to Biden.

#11 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2023-01-15 10:29 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The real sign of the two tier justice system is that no attempt was made to retrieve these documents. The archivist didn't care about Biden's stash.
#3 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

It seems likely they didn't know Biden had them. We need to keep in mind that with Trump the National Archives were looking for a bunch of unclassified documents they knew existed and were covered under the Presidential Records Act. I don't think they realized how many classified documents Trump had until he sent them boxes of unclassified material that included classified documents as well as classified folders that were empty.

#12 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2023-01-15 10:36 AM | Reply

"What criminal intent are you alleging?"

Intentional mishandling and obstruction.

"And did you know intent has no bearing?"

Link?

#13 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2023-01-15 10:39 AM | Reply

The points been made that Trump was subject to selective persecution for having documents. Biden was given a pass.

#14 | Posted by visitor_ at 2023-01-15 10:59 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

It turns out that the National Archives began asking Trump for boxes of documents while he was still president:

"The Archives battle to secure records from Trump began while he was still president, according to records reviewed by The Post. Gary M. Stern, the agency's top lawyer, began asking the former president's attorneys to return two dozen boxes in the residency of the White House before he left. In an email Stern wrote to others, Trump's counsel, Pat Cipollone, agreed with him. But Trump did not return them." [Washington Post]

"It is also our understanding that roughly two dozen boxes of original presidential records were kept in the Residence of the White House over the course of President Trump's last year in office and have not been transferred to NARA, despite a determination by Pat Cipollone in the final days of the administration that they need to be,' wrote Gary Stern, the agency's chief counsel, in an email to Trump lawyers in May 2021, according to a copy reviewed by the Washington Post." [Washington Post]

www.justsecurity.org

#15 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2023-01-15 10:59 AM | Reply

I wonder how many vette docs went to finance hunter's opiate habit?

#16 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2023-01-15 11:00 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"It turns out that the National Archives began asking Trump for boxes of documents while he was still president..."

What???

Why weren't we told this before the election???

Why were "they" trying to hide this????

I want answers!!!!!

#17 | Posted by Angrydad at 2023-01-15 11:03 AM | Reply

These the same sources that said Trump had nuclear documents?

Haven't lumpers learned anything about "sources"?

It may or may not be true, but unnamed sources are considered -------- by the rest of the world.

#18 | Posted by oneironaut at 2023-01-15 11:04 AM | Reply

"The points been made that Trump was subject to selective persecution for having documents. Biden was given a pass."

Sure, if you ignore the fact that Trump's lawyers warned him that it was illegal for him to keep the documents:

Trump was warned in late 2021 by his former White House lawyer that it was unlawful to retain the documents, especially classified information;

Trump personally sorted through the documents in late 2021;

Trump's personal knowledge and possession, access, and control of the documents is indicated by the quantity, content, and location of documents with classified markings (including intermingled with personal belongings) and by his admissions on Truth Social;

Trump repeatedly stated privately that the documents were his to possess and he was not willing to deliver them to the government;

Trump aides repeatedly tried to get him to return the documents to the government;

Trump was repeatedly put on notice by Archives and Justice Department that his retention of the documents was unlawful and a potential threat to national security;

Trump was apparently involved in obstructive acts of trying to conceal documents from the government after receiving a subpoena.

#19 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2023-01-15 11:06 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Don't they wish the same could be said about Trump's case.
#4 | POSTED BY TWINPAC

Woman took home TSI to complete PhD during COVID-19, she's now sitting in prison.

Intent doesn't matter for this if " no president is above the law"

#20 | Posted by oneironaut at 2023-01-15 11:07 AM | Reply

The points been made that Trump was subject to selective persecution for having documents. Biden was given a pass.

#14 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

And the point is --------.

#21 | Posted by jpw at 2023-01-15 11:14 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Woman took home TSI to complete PhD during COVID-19, she's now sitting in prison.
Intent doesn't matter for this if " no president is above the law"

Intent does matter:

Two thoughts: (i) mishandling classified docs should always be fully investigated and (ii) the two primary statutes that criminalize mishandling classified docs (18 USC 793 & 1924) require proving the removal or retention of the docs was done "knowingly" or "willfully." twitter.com

We know for sure that Trump knowingly and willingly removed and retained the documents:

If Trump had done what Joe Biden did with the recovered classified documents and contacted the National Archives right away, he'd be in the clear. Republicans should know that pointing to Biden doesn't create an equivalency, it just highlights what Trump did wrong. twitter.com

We don't know for sure yet that Biden knowingly and willingly removed and retained the documents. He may have, and if he did, then like Trump he will be guilty too, although on what looks at this time like a much smaller scale.

#22 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2023-01-15 11:17 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#19 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday

Clearly, those are all lies manufactured by the liberal media.

#23 | Posted by Angrydad at 2023-01-15 11:18 AM | Reply

A full round of FBI early morning raids at every home and office of all recent administrations is clearly needed. The only way to be sure.

Trump argued he has a right to the documents. Clinton, Bush and Obama were allowed to keep many documents. Selective persecution.

#24 | Posted by visitor_ at 2023-01-15 11:31 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

How many documents did the fat orange turd fork over to Xi in exchange for Sweatshop Barbie's Chinese trademarks.

www.forbes.com

#25 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2023-01-15 11:35 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"A full round of FBI early morning raids at every home and office of all recent administrations is clearly needed. The only way to be sure."

Ok. Let's start with Mike Pence.

#26 | Posted by donnerboy at 2023-01-15 11:57 AM | Reply

Unfortunately some of you USA comrades suffer from the delusion that everything marked "classified" is important. Some of these documents simply show how to brush one's teeth in the morning, comb one's hair, and show how to dress for work. Others regulate how to approach the President and show what manners must be implemented in greeting foreign dignitaries. Too much to remember it all. Which is why they are found in garages by Corvettes.

#27 | Posted by wolfdog at 2023-01-15 12:03 PM | Reply

The points been made that Trump was subject to selective persecution for having documents. Biden was given a pass.

#14 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

No one has been "prosecuted" (yet) and both are being investigated.

Both have special counsels assigned.

How exactly is that being "selective"?

#28 | Posted by donnerboy at 2023-01-15 12:23 PM | Reply

The points been made that Trump was subject to selective persecution for having documents. Biden was given a pass.
#14 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

Who made these points?
They are not remotely true.

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-01-15 12:24 PM | Reply

Unfortunately some of you USA comrades suffer from the delusion that everything marked "classified" is important. Some of these documents simply show how to brush one's teeth in the morning, comb one's hair, and show how to dress for work. Others regulate how to approach the President and show what manners must be implemented in greeting foreign dignitaries. Too much to remember it all. Which is why they are found in garages by Corvettes.

#27 | POSTED BY WOLFDOG

So much BS so little time

That's quite a load you got there in your shorts today comrade.

While we do probably classify way too much it's because countries like Russia are always looking for ways to steal information in order to damage or to bring down the US.

Unlike Russia we have an open society so we can't afford to let too many sensitive things out into the open. But combing your hair and brushing your teeth is not one of the things we worry about Russia stealing. Though you are so obviously stupid I bet you could probably benefit from knowing how to properly comb your hair or brush your teeth comrade.

#30 | Posted by donnerboy at 2023-01-15 12:34 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Had Trump been as vindictive as Biden, he would have had the archivist seek the return of all government documents. These and possibly many more classified ones would have been found six years ago.
#Selective Persecution

#31 | Posted by visitor_ at 2023-01-15 12:44 PM | Reply

Had Trump been as vindictive as Biden

-------, the child-raping orange jizzfart wanted to execute the person who revealed his bunker cowardice.

ktvz.com

#32 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2023-01-15 12:50 PM | Reply

"Had Trump been as vindictive as Biden"

That's so backwards and upside down you must be just trolling now.

Biden is not prosecuting anyone. The DOJ is not even prosecuting anyone.

Getting a bit ahead of yourself aren't you Visitroll?

#33 | Posted by donnerboy at 2023-01-15 12:56 PM | Reply

"Trump argued he has a right to the documents. Clinton, Bush and Obama were allowed to keep many documents. Selective persecution."

Allowed to keep (i.e.) retain or allowed to request and receive (obtain) copies of documents that have been turned over to the National Archives?

#34 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2023-01-15 01:09 PM | Reply

#3 | Posted by visitor_

Major differences between Biden and Trump cases? First, Biden was VP. Second, Biden cooperated with the Archivists. Finally, Biden is doing things the proper way now that the documents have been discovered. In Truth, he could have probably hid these screw ups, claimed he had access to them as President and sat on them. The fact he is doing the right thing says a lot.

WWTD? We don't have to ask, we already know. He would avoid providing achrivists access to his documents period. He would send classified documents to the Archivists. He would claim he declassified them "in his mind" when he did no such thing. He would lie and say that was all the documents. He would shred documents and flush documents down the toilet. He would send documents to other houses he owns. etc etc etc. Oh and Trump was the actual President and not VP...

#35 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2023-01-15 01:18 PM | Reply

We're going to need to see the visitor logs for everyone that has been Biden's home where the files were kept. It would be a shame if the Social Security numbers of the visitors were accidentally leaked.

#36 | Posted by visitor_ at 2023-01-15 01:49 PM | Reply

@#10 ... And did you know intent has no bearing? ...

Intent has a very significant bearing.

As one example --- intent signals the difference between stealing government documents and mishandling government documents.

A month or so ago, I noted that some evidence found at Mar-A-Logo could be used to show intent in stealing the government documents, i.e., that fmr Pres Trump knew he had the documents and did not return them.



#37 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-01-15 02:09 PM | Reply

@#36 ... We're going to need to see ...

Who is the "we" in your comment?

#38 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-01-15 02:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Comer: House won't investigate Trump classified docs despite Biden probe
www.axios.com

...Rep. James Comer (R-Texas) told CNN's "State of the Union" on Sunday that the House Oversight and Accountability Committee, which he chairs, will not investigate former President Trump over his handling of classified documents.

Why it matters: The refusal comes despite the House Oversight Committee announcing plans last week to investigate classified documents found in President Biden's former office and his home in Delaware, even though the two situations so far have key differences....



#39 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-01-15 02:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

USA comrades! You are all missing the point of these classified documents. There is no problem here. We in Russia, China, North Korea, and other countries are grateful for all the classified USA material we can get -- primitive, out-of-date, and useless though it may be. But the point is that Trump and Biden were and are PRESIDENTS! Trump can declassify any documents he wishes. See? You have no problem!

#40 | Posted by wolfdog at 2023-01-15 02:28 PM | Reply

@#40 ... But the point is that Trump and Biden were and are PRESIDENTS! Trump can declassify any documents he wishes. See? You have no problem!...

The classified attribute is one facet.

These are government documents that belong to the government, not the president.

Even if they were not classified, there would be a problem.


#41 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-01-15 02:55 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Trump can declassify any documents he wishes. See?"

Not telepathically. There is an actual procedure required to declassify anything.

Not that it matters because that is not even the main issue with Trumpy trying to steal government property and then obstruct Justice when the government tried to recover them.

See? (Probably not)

#42 | Posted by donnerboy at 2023-01-15 03:31 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

"Comer: House won't investigate Trump classified docs despite Biden probe"

Kinda shoots to ---- Visitrolls talking points of "selective prosecution" doesn't it?

#43 | Posted by donnerboy at 2023-01-15 03:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

WOLFPUP @ #40

The runt of the litter is still searching for a ------.

#44 | Posted by Twinpac at 2023-01-15 03:37 PM | Reply

It would be a shame if the Social Security numbers of the visitors were accidentally leaked.

#36 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

Two wrongs don't make a right. But that never stopped trumpified republicans from committing crimes has it?

Trumpified republicans apparently think that if they commit enough crimes we will get exhausted from trying to hold them accountable for all of them.

So what's one more crime, eh, visitroll??

#45 | Posted by donnerboy at 2023-01-15 03:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Oh wow, here is something I never thought of and haven't seen anyone mention before:

(Biden could have legally declassified them when he found them; instead he returned them to the Archives.) www.emptywheel.net

Think about it: we have repeatedly been told that a president can declassify a classified document any time for any reason. Yes, there is a procedure to be followed for sure, but Biden could have followed it and declassified any and all classified documents in his possession.

#46 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2023-01-15 04:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Total Number of Biden Documents Known to Be Marked Classified Is About 20

so! it is what is in them that counts............he has had them since 2016!..........and he was the VP and cannot declassify ---

#47 | Posted by Maverick at 2023-01-15 06:44 PM | Reply

"he was the VP and cannot declassify ---"

What outlet told you that lie?
www.snopes.com

#48 | Posted by Danforth at 2023-01-15 07:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

and he was the VP and cannot declassify ---

#47 | POSTED BY MAVERICK

Why are righties always so supremely confident in their ignorance?

#49 | Posted by jpw at 2023-01-15 07:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Why are righties always so supremely confident in their ignorance?

They hope it's less likely that you will fact check it that way.

#50 | Posted by REDIAL at 2023-01-15 07:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

In Trump vs Biden thus amounts to two words; obstruction vs cooperation.

#51 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2023-01-15 07:32 PM | Reply

Now do days in noncompliance times the number of documents.

#52 | Posted by visitor_ at 2023-01-15 09:06 PM | Reply

Surveys show Americans are fine with Biden's employees malice free error.

Russians need to puff other subjects like how amazing put is.

#53 | Posted by Tor at 2023-01-15 09:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

One of the complaints I often hear is that Joe Biden is being given the benefit of doubt and Trump isn't.

What they ignore is that every time someone gives Trump the benefit of doubt, or even a fraction of an inch of leeway, they learn the hard way what a horrible mistake they just made.

Both of these men are preceded by to their reputations.

Trump ~ a lifetime of lying, cheating, grifting, stealing from charities, disrespect for the rule of law, and flaunting the U.S. Constitution which is the short list.

Biden ~ a quarter century of public service without a single blemish.

This isn't a tough decision, except or those who are deaf, dumb and blind.

#54 | Posted by Twinpac at 2023-01-16 07:50 AM | Reply

Ole Joe is one-and-done.

And it's being brought to you by none other than the DNC.

#55 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2023-01-16 10:30 AM | Reply

"One of the complaints I often hear is that Joe Biden is being given the benefit of doubt and Trump isn't."

That's because almost everyone is emotionally invested into the outcomes.

People need to believe Trump was being malicious and Biden wasn't or that it doesn't matter either way....all because they need to believe in something that validates their partisanship.

"Trump ~ a lifetime of lying, cheating, grifting, stealing from charities, disrespect for the rule of law, and flaunting the U.S. Constitution which is the short list.
Biden ~ a quarter century of public service without a single blemish."

You're wrong about that but that's because you don't care. You're emotionally invested in the outcome. You're right about Trump but Biden is not without a single blemish.

Not that I expect him to be.

#56 | Posted by eberly at 2023-01-16 10:39 AM | Reply

It has gotten so bad for Joe that all three broadcast networks reported,rather angrily, about the obstruction of the Biden administration
on this story.

All three whined about how Joe campaigned on "transparency" so much that the casual viewer could've mistakenly thought
Hunter had come out as a woman.

You know things have gotten bad for a Democrat when even the left-wing media won't engage in their BS cover-up.

That's where we are right now with Joe Biden. But don't get used to it, it never lasts long.

And the lunatic drones keep chanting.....

it's not the same...cause trump
it's not the same...cause trump
it's not the same...cause trump

#57 | Posted by shrimptacodan at 2023-01-16 11:09 AM | Reply

it's not the same...cause trump
it's not the same...cause trump
it's not the same...cause trump
#57 | POSTED BY SHRIMPTACODAN

It's not the same because it's not the same but carry on with the false equivalencies dumb and dumber magamaroons. It's what you do. Your toxic polarization is poisoning democracy. As intended.

"Equating the two cases is like saying a hit-and-run is the same as a fender bender where the guilty party calls the police and pulls out his license and insurance card."

www.usatoday.com

#58 | Posted by donnerboy at 2023-01-16 11:29 AM | Reply

EBERLY

I'll caveat my statement by adding "not a single blemish that threatened the very existence of democracy at any time during his whole life."

Which is only one of Biden's many, many exceptions.

How's that?

#59 | Posted by Twinpac at 2023-01-16 11:33 AM | Reply

..Rep. James Comer (R-Texas) told CNN's "State of the Union" on Sunday that the House Oversight and Accountability Committee, which he chairs, will not investigate former President Trump over his handling of classified documents.

Why it matters: The refusal comes despite the House Oversight Committee announcing plans last week to investigate classified documents found in President Biden's former office and his home in Delaware, even though the two situations so far have key differences....

How is that news?

I could've told you that.

4 years of malfeasance by the orange tub of goo and the House and Senate when the repubs were in power were blind, deaf and dumb about it.

#60 | Posted by Nixon at 2023-01-16 12:03 PM | Reply

59

Totally agree with you on that.

#61 | Posted by eberly at 2023-01-16 01:48 PM | Reply

Wow look at all the comments defending ol joe.
If Trump gets indicted for possessing sensitive docs, the least they should do is impeach bitem.

#62 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2023-01-16 02:42 PM | Reply

I work with TS/SAP/SCI documents on a daily basis. General Officers don't have their own copies. Thier staff prints them off, and then destroys the papers at the end of the meeting. Or possibly has them catalogued.

Senior leaders are too busy to wrangle documents. That's a staff role. The staff messed this up.

#63 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-01-16 03:39 PM | Reply

If Trump gets indicted for possessing sensitive docs, the least they should do is impeach bitem.
#62 | POSTED BY PHESTEROBOYLE

If Trump gets charged for anything, it'll be obstruction, something it seems pretty clear that Biden didn't do.

So no, he won't be impeached for "possession." Trump very well might be indicted on obstruction.

Are you done moving those goal posts? They must be heavy.

#64 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2023-01-16 04:02 PM | Reply

Obstruction? Oh yeah, now that sensitive docs have been found next to bitem's car, we'll kinda "forget" about a VICE president having any.
SMFH

#65 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2023-01-16 04:12 PM | Reply

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