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Sunday, January 15, 2023

After a midterm election and record flow of anti-transgender legislation last year, Republican state lawmakers this year are zeroing in on questions of bodily autonomy with new proposals to limit gender-affirming health care and abortion access.

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It's time to start calling it what it is.

They are trying to legislate our neighbors, and their own, out of existence right in front of our faces.

#1 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2023-01-15 07:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Genocide.

The republican party in the USA is committing genocide against our sons and daughters, grand daughters and grandsons, friends, neighbors, loved ones, on and on and on.

They are doing it right in front of our faces.

Half of the people who post here are on board.

Because freedom.

#2 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2023-01-15 11:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

First, they came for the transgender health care.

I didn't speak out, because I'm Eberly, and I break bread with them.

#3 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-01-15 11:22 PM | Reply

I'm pretty sure children aren't allowed to watch Mrs Doubtfire in the state of Arkansas anymore.

Well done, crew.

Freedom!

#4 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2023-01-15 11:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I'm pretty sure children aren't allowed to watch Mrs Doubtfire in the state of Arkansas anymore.

Well done, crew.

Freedom!

#5 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2023-01-15 11:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Unless you are white male then the GOP doesn't think you are responsible enough to make your own decisions for your life and even then it's only if you agree with them.

#6 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2023-01-15 11:53 PM | Reply

I tend to agree with the government on this one. The state should not be responsible for the maintenance of someone's body modification. To me snipping and clipping functioning body parts because you want a particular "look" and expecting others to pay for it is ludicrous. It's your look and desire so do your boo... just pay for it yourself.

It's no different than splitting your tongue, stretching your ear lobes or cutting them off entirely... so you can look like something you weren't born to be... only thing is the tongue splitters (etc.) don't require the ongoing imposition of "hormone treatment" on their bodies to maintain the look.

#7 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2023-01-16 07:11 AM | Reply

#7 Your ignorance of the subject matter isn't surprising in the least. I'll chalk it up to unwillingness to learn.

#8 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2023-01-16 07:16 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

The more I learn amout RepublicCANS the more I cbut I maintain a healthy distance from them, to ne yhey are little more than ass**** bullies. I honestly feel sorry for their chi;dren. wives.mothers and sisters. I do have family who are Republicans but I maintain a healthy distance from them and have done so my entire adult life;

#9 | Posted by danni at 2023-01-16 07:36 AM | Reply

Of course they are.

They're all about making people they don't like suffer. Just like Jesus would.

#10 | Posted by Nixon at 2023-01-16 07:46 AM | Reply

Minors should be off limits to anything other than psychological care. No top surgery, puberty blockers etc. it's child abuse. Adults can do whatever the heck they want.

#11 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-01-16 09:20 AM | Reply

So nice of you, acting through The State, to determine what is legal and what isn't for a family, their children, and their doctors. Perhaps you should propose allowable names for "boys" and "girls" and make sure gender neutral or indeterminate names like "Pat" or "Chris" are banned?

#12 | Posted by YAV at 2023-01-16 09:26 AM | Reply

Minors should be off limits to anything other than psychological care. No top surgery, puberty blockers etc. it's child abuse. Adults can do whatever the heck they want.

POSTED BY BELLRINGER AT 2023-01-16 09:20 AM | REPLY

GFY Jeff. You know nothing about this issue. You just spew emotional vomit. Puberty blockers aren't child abuse. What you wish for them IS child abuse however.

#13 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2023-01-16 09:33 AM | Reply

"Minors should be off limits to anything other than psychological care."

JeffJ would rather see kids hang themselves than be accepted as transgender.

All Republicans would rather see kids hang themselves than be accepted as transgender.

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-01-16 10:13 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"What you wish for them IS child abuse however."

16 year olds know their sexual identity and puberty does cause, for some, very undesirable changes foe both boys and girls. It is no one's business to prohibitpuberty blockers if that is what a 16 year old wants. These busy-body right wing Christians are always sticking their noses into other pople's business....just like Nazis. Maybe that's because they are Nazis.

#15 | Posted by danni at 2023-01-16 11:45 AM | Reply

JeffJ how old were you when you realized you were straight?

Was it not until you turned 18 then?

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-01-16 11:47 AM | Reply

I tend to agree with the government on this one.

#7 | POSTED BY RIGHTISTRITE

The government is forbidding a trans person from dancing in public and you from allowing your kids to watch Mrs. Doubtfire.

And let's not forget that "top surgery" is still available for cis minors so long as their parents are cool with it.

#17 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2023-01-16 11:57 AM | Reply

"The government is forbidding a trans person from dancing in public and you from allowing your kids to watch Mrs. Doubtfire.

And preventing your daughter who raped from terminating the pregnancy caused by thatrape.
Vhy? Because the GQP caters to Nazis. Donald Trump loved his Nazi supporters.

#18 | Posted by danni at 2023-01-16 12:04 PM | Reply

Child protective services exist for a reason. ------- mutilation of minors, sterilization, etc are all child abuse and should be treated as such.

Once a person reaches adulthood if they want to lol off their junk that's their choice.

#19 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-01-16 12:15 PM | Reply

lol = lop

#20 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-01-16 12:15 PM | Reply

2023
Child protective services exist for a reason. ------- mutilation of minors, sterilization, etc are all child abuse and should be treated as such.
Once a person reaches adulthood if they want to lol off their junk that's their choice.

POSTED BY BELLRINGER AT 2023-01-16 12:15 PM | REPLY

You know nothing about Trans health care for minors and it shows.

#21 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2023-01-16 12:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Sterilizing minors and removing healthy body parts is mutilation. It's child abuse.

#22 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-01-16 12:28 PM | Reply

Decades from now historians are going to look back on this with abject horror.

#23 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-01-16 12:29 PM | Reply

Sterilizing minors and removing healthy body parts is mutilation. It's child abuse.

#22 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Wow.

Sounds terrible.

Has it ever happened?

Post a link.

And a YouTube video of Matt Walsh saying it happened isn't proof.

#24 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2023-01-16 12:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's sad that centuries ago Native Americans were more enlightened than today's Republicans.

#25 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2023-01-16 12:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Decades from now historians are going to look back on this with abject horror.

#23 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

They are.

And they're going to ask you what you did to try to stop the genocide.

The only answer you'll have is "I cheered it on enthusiastically."

You'll lie though.

#26 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2023-01-16 12:39 PM | Reply

Sterilizing minors and removing healthy body parts is mutilation. It's child abuse.
#22 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Come now.

We know you don't believe it's child abuse when it comes to circumcision.

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-01-16 12:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I know there is some evidence that supports the claim.

I'd love to see it.

I'll wait.

#28 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2023-01-16 12:54 PM | Reply

It's child abuse.
#22 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

You constantly abuse logic and reason.

Doctors pledge to do no harm. Why would any of them purposely abuse children?

Apparently magamaroons like you pledge to do as much as harm to our democracy as possible.

Apparently.

#29 | Posted by donnerboy at 2023-01-16 01:11 PM | Reply

There's really no reasoning with them, #29.

They are enthusiastically cheering on genocide.

#30 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2023-01-16 01:15 PM | Reply

Let's be honest folks. Republicans don't care about Trans kids. This is their next culture war victim. They lost the same sex marriage fight so they've moved onto fighting against Trans people.

#31 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2023-01-16 01:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Republicans don't care about Trans kids.

#31 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

They passed a law in,,, Utah I believe, to band One trans kid from competing in high school sports.

#32 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2023-01-16 02:17 PM | Reply

They passed a law in,,, Utah I believe, to band One trans kid from competing in high school sports.

POSTED BY TRES_FLECHAS AT 2023-01-16 02:17 PM | REPLY

Yeah it was Utah. The whole right wing disgusts me.

#33 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2023-01-16 02:22 PM | Reply

" Doctors pledge to do no harm. Why would any of them purposely abuse children? "

Money. Gender reassignment surgeries are very lucrative.

#34 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-01-16 02:26 PM | Reply

Also, ideology. A small minority don't see it as abuse.

#35 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-01-16 02:27 PM | Reply

Gender reassignment surgeries are very lucrative.

#34 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Still waiting on proof that children are getting "gender reassignment surgeries."

#36 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2023-01-16 02:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Don't mess with children. It's not a difficult concept.

#37 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-01-16 02:28 PM | Reply

As it's happening 7 days a week and twice on Sunday I'm sure there is all kinds of evidence.

A right wing commentator trying to piss old people off isn't "proof" of anything aside from hucksters preying on the elderly.

Let's see it.

#38 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2023-01-16 02:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" Still waiting on proof that children are getting "gender reassignment surgeries."
#36 | POSTED BY TRES_FLECHAS AT 2023-01-16 02:27 PM | FLAG: "

Look it up. It's happening. Do you support minors getting gender reassignment surgery?

#39 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-01-16 02:30 PM | Reply

"Still waiting on proof that children are getting "gender reassignment surgeries."

Why not? Meaning why aren't we seeing children get them?

If we support healthcare that affirms a gender reassignment, then why not perform the surgeries?

#40 | Posted by eberly at 2023-01-16 02:30 PM | Reply

Gender reassignment surgeries are very lucrative.
#34 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Says who?

#41 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-01-16 02:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Show me proof of 1 #40.

It has to have happened.

When?

Where?

#42 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2023-01-16 02:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Thankfully it's on a small scale, at least for now.

#43 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-01-16 02:32 PM | Reply

And to whom?

#44 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2023-01-16 02:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Thankfully it's on a small scale, at least for now.

#43 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

IOW, it's not happening and never has.

#45 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2023-01-16 02:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What's funny is that you are too ignorant to realize that you are the elderly that the hucksters are preying on.

#46 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2023-01-16 02:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Don't mess with children. It's not a difficult concept.
#37 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

^
Except transgender children!

You deny all children a sense of agency when it comes to knowing what their own gender is.

#47 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-01-16 02:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" Gender Reassignment Surgery Is Now Available To Oregon Minors Without Parental Consent"

www.medicaldaily.com

Believe me now?

#48 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-01-16 02:36 PM | Reply

Look it up. It's happening. Do you support minors getting gender reassignment surgery?

#39 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER AT 2023-01-16 02:30 PM | REPLY

Liar Liar pants on fire.

#49 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2023-01-16 02:37 PM | Reply

Believe me now?

#48 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

And a child paid for this,,,, ***checks notes*** ,,,, "very lucrative" procedure, how?

Shoveling sidewalks and delivering newspapers?

Sure.

So,, what is their name?

Do they regret it?

How did it go?

#50 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2023-01-16 02:39 PM | Reply

"Gender Reassignment Surgery Is Now Available To Oregon Minors Without Parental Consent"
www.medicaldaily.com
Believe me now?
#48 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

It's true that the age of medical consent in Oregon is 15 (whether or not a minor is transgender), and in early 2015 the state of Oregon's HERC did opt to include gender dysphoria in a list of conditions covered by the state's Medicaid plans. But publicized claims misled readers and viewers into thinking that a new guideline had approved "sex changes" for teenagers by conflating extant Oregon state policies that were largely unrelated.

In fact, the age of medical consent in Oregon has been 15 since 1971, and gender dysphoria Medicaid coverage changes applied to all residents of the state (not teens specifically). The Fox article (and subsequent iterations) failed to consider the lengthy, arduous process gender reassignment entails or the likelihood that any medical provider would agree to begin such a process on a minor who lacked parental consent. Moreover, the policy change was not enacted "quietly" (i.e., without notice or disclosure), as the Associated Press had published an article announcing "Oregon Medicaid to Cover Gender Reassignment" nearly a year earlier.

We've asked out HERC whether additional details are available to determine whether any 15- to 17-year-olds have been affected by the policy update or have undergone gender reassignment in Oregon following the change.

www.snopes.com

#51 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2023-01-16 02:46 PM | Reply

Here's a good fairly recent article on where states stand with regard to transgender rights for teens:

Youth Access to Gender Affirming Care: The Federal and State Policy Landscape

Numerous states have implemented or considered actions aimed at limiting LGBTQ+ youth access to gender affirming health care. Four states (Alabama, Arkansas, Texas, and Arizona) have recently enacted such restrictions (though the AL, AR, and TX laws all have been temporarily blocked by court rulings) and in 2022, 15 states are considering 25 similar pieces of legislation. At the same time, other states have adopted broad nondiscrimination health protections based on gender identity and sexual orientation. Separately, the Biden administration, which has been working to eliminate barriers and expand access to health care for LGBTQ+ people more generally, has come out against restrictive state policies. This analysis explores the current state and federal policy landscape regarding gender affirming services for youth and the implications of restrictive state laws.

www.kff.org

#52 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2023-01-16 02:49 PM | Reply

I wonder what it's like walking around afraid of your own shadow because someone, who profits from it, has convinced you that you should be...

#53 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2023-01-16 02:49 PM | Reply

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Overall, we rate Medical Daily a strong pseudoscience source based on the publication of unproven or misleading medical and health claims.

#54 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2023-01-16 02:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"They are literally chopping off the private parts of young kids."

This statement ( by DeSantis) is an obvious exaggeration and is false.

Transition-related surgery is limited to teens, not 'young kids.' Even then, it's very rare.

This statement is true.

"We found no examples of "young kids" receiving transition-related surgery. The Florida Department of Health differentiates between children - under 10 - and adolescents - between 10 and 18. DeSantis' office provided PolitiFact with two cases involving adolescents."

www.politifact.com

Look it up yourself. (And stop listening to Fox lies) magamaroon.

#55 | Posted by donnerboy at 2023-01-16 02:50 PM | Reply

Trans kids' treatment can start younger, new guidelines say

A leading transgender health association has lowered its recommended minimum age for starting gender transition treatment, including sex hormones and surgeries.

The World Professional Association for Transgender Health said hormones could be started at age 14, two years earlier than the group's previous advice, and some surgeries done at age 15 or 17, a year or so earlier than previous guidance. The group acknowledged potential risks but said it is unethical and harmful to withhold early treatment. apnews.com

#56 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2023-01-16 02:53 PM | Reply

As more transgender children seek medical care, families confront many unknowns

The United States has seen an explosion in recent years in the number of children who identify as a gender different from what they were designated at birth. Thousands of families like the Boyers are weighing profound choices in an emerging field of medicine as they pursue what is called gender-affirming care for their children.

Gender-affirming care covers a spectrum of interventions. It can entail adopting a child's preferred name and pronouns and letting them dress in alignment with their gender identity " called social transitioning. It can incorporate therapy or other forms of psychological treatment. And, from around the start of adolescence, it can include medical interventions such as puberty blockers, hormones and, in some cases, surgery. In all of it, the aim is to support and affirm the child's gender identity.

But families that go the medical route venture onto uncertain ground, where science has yet to catch up with practice. While the number of gender clinics treating children in the United States has grown from zero to more than 100 in the past 15 years--and waiting lists are long--strong evidence of the efficacy and possible long-term consequences of that treatment remains scant.

Puberty blockers and sex hormones do not have U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approval for children's gender care. No clinical trials have established their safety for such off-label use. The drugs' long-term effects on fertility and sexual function remain unclear. And in 2016, the FDA ordered makers of puberty blockers to add a warning about psychiatric problems to the drugs' label after the agency received several reports of suicidal thoughts in children who were taking them.

www.reuters.com

#57 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2023-01-16 03:01 PM | Reply

" Transition-related surgery is limited to teens, not 'young kids.' Even then, it's very rare."

Teen is as young as 13,

#58 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-01-16 03:05 PM | Reply

This is absolutely grotesque. It's reminiscent of the castrati of Renaissance era music. Gruesome.

#59 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-01-16 03:07 PM | Reply

The pattern is so familiar.

First, deny it's happening.

When it's exposed, pretend it's an extreme outlier.

When it's exposed to be more mainstream than outlier claim it's wonderful and attack anyone who challenges it.

#60 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-01-16 03:09 PM | Reply

Interesting article:

Meet Oregonian Dr. Alan Hart, who underwent the first documented gender-confirming surgery in the US

It was 105 years ago that an Oregon doctor underwent what is thought to be the first documented gender-confirming surgery in the United States.

Dr. Alan Hart was born Alberta "Lucille" Hart in 1890. Hart grew up in the Willamette Valley and attended Albany College, now Lewis & Clark College. Hart preferred to present as male and did so as much as possible " often with family support. But at school, Hart was forced to wear dresses and appear as "Lucille."

In 1917, Hart graduated with a medical degree from the University of Oregon Medical Department in Portland, now Oregon Health & Science University. That same year, Hart persuaded fellow Oregon doctor J. Allen Gilbert to perform what was--at the time--considered an unheard-of transition surgery. Hart underwent a hysterectomy, ensuring Hart could not have menses or become pregnant. That operation, along with a psychological evaluation, was enough for Dr. Gilbert to officially state that Hart should be accepted by society as a man.

www.opb.org

#61 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2023-01-16 03:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Gruesome.

#59 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Sure it is Dr DingDong.

So is being incorrectly assigned your gender at birth and having to live your life as a lie.

But you know all about living a lie don't you?

#62 | Posted by donnerboy at 2023-01-16 03:43 PM | Reply

Flint Water Jeff is the racist --------- who cheered as Governor Snyder deliberately poisoned black children.

#63 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2023-01-16 03:47 PM | Reply

These --------- are pretending that a kid taking a puberty blocker is the same as castration.

They're pretending it because they're ------- retarded and they believe everything that the outrage industrial complex spits out so they can profit.

#64 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2023-01-16 03:50 PM | Reply

The good news is they can't win.

They never do.

They will always lose.

They already have.

#65 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2023-01-16 03:57 PM | Reply

Gal,

What do you think of requiring young people to meet with others who transitioned and later detransitioned?

Hear their story and let them ask questions.

Give them the full picture.

Not just the politically correct story.

#66 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2023-01-16 07:08 PM | Reply

What do you think of requiring young people to meet with others who transitioned and later detransitioned?
Hear their story and let them ask questions.
Give them the full picture.
Not just the politically correct story.

#66 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

It is nunya ------- business. tht's why

www.gendergp.com

In the US, a survey of nearly 28,000 people found that 8% of respondents reported some kind of detransition. Of this 8%, 62% per cent only did so temporarily due to societal, financial, or family pressures.

You read that right, 97% of trans people did not detransition of if they did it was temporary and not because they didn't want to transition.

You are nothing more than a hateful bigot, you really should gfy

#67 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-01-16 07:23 PM | Reply

Decades from now historians are going to look back on this with abject horror.

#23 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

It won't take that long to look at you with disgust.

#68 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-01-16 07:25 PM | Reply

It's sad that centuries ago Native Americans were more enlightened than today's Republicans.

#25 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

I am sitting on a bowl with a turd in it more enlightened than today's republicans.

Ooops there it goes.

#69 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-01-16 07:26 PM | Reply

Don't mess with children. It's not a difficult concept.

#37 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

"Unless their trans or raped, then ---- them!"

--Compassionate Conservatives

#70 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-01-16 07:29 PM | Reply

"What do you think of requiring young people to meet with others who transitioned and later detransitioned?
Hear their story and let them ask questions."

I don't think they should be required to, no, but most people who want to transition probably do consider the experiences of those who are glad they transitioned and those who regret it. IOW, I think people who are considering transitioning take the decision seriously and do their own research.

#71 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2023-01-16 07:31 PM | Reply

"What do you think of requiring young people to meet with others who transitioned and later detransitioned?"

That seems extremely biased.

#72 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-01-16 07:32 PM | Reply

" Transition-related surgery is limited to teens, not 'young kids.' Even then, it's very rare."
Teen is as young as 13,

#58 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

How old does a girl have to be to receive breast augmentation surgery?

#73 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-01-16 07:33 PM | Reply

"What do you think of requiring young people to meet with others who transitioned and later detransitioned?
Hear their story and let them ask questions."

Maybe we should require politicians who are voting on these anti-trans bills meet with people who have transitioned and don't regret it and listen to their stories. Sounds like a good plan to me.

#74 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2023-01-16 07:36 PM | Reply

Remember a 15 year old girl can have her breasts reduced, unless to conform to her gender.

Jeffj, the trash human, says so

#75 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-01-16 07:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This is absolutely grotesque. It's reminiscent of the castrati of Renaissance era music. Gruesome.

#59 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Why do you believe a 15 year old receiving breast reduction surgery is grotesque?

Please be specific.

#76 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-01-16 07:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What do you think of requiring young people to meet with others who transitioned and later detransitioned?
Hear their story and let them ask questions.
Give them the full picture.
Not just the politically correct story.

#66 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Sure, but I am not sure you will like what the young people will hear.

Why Do People Detransition?
Well, why do people detransition? The main reason cited for detransition is social pressure. Recent research by Dr Jack Turban has found that around 90 per cent of people who return to their birth gender in the US don't do so because of regret or dissatisfaction, but because of pressure from family, school, work, or society in general.

The National Center for Transgender Equality found that the most common reasons for detransitioning were lack of support at home, problems in the workplace, and harassment and discrimination.

Iow Why did I detransition? Cause bigots like BillJ and JeffJ harassed and belittled and bullied me. I couldn't take the abuse and discrimination.

#77 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-01-16 07:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Truth,

I was watching an interview recently of a girl who regretted having them removed.

It's a drastic decision and they should talk with someone who later changed their mind.

Are you afraid of the truth?

Of course you know everything so little point in having different opinion with you.

#78 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2023-01-16 08:22 PM | Reply

A political party devoid of a soul,
and mired in hate, lashes out at everyone
not like them. Meanwhile, they sneakily
try to destroy Social Security and Medicare
while 'nobody is looking'...

No sane person (who is not already rich)
can support or defend the GOP...

#79 | Posted by earthmuse at 2023-01-16 08:44 PM | Reply

Truth,
I was watching an interview recently of a girl who regretted having them removed.
It's a drastic decision and they should talk with someone who later changed their mind.
Are you afraid of the truth?
Of course you know everything so little point in having different opinion with you.

#78 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Because, as the numbers show, regret really isn't a thing. But you know that, cause well 95%+

You act like people going through trans aren't spending 100% of their lives considering their situations, including getting the medical advice they so desperately need (and is being refused them by bigoted --------).

But, once again, the hateful bigots want to impose their ignorance on the private decisions of others.

Well,,,,,, GFY is what I say.

#80 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-01-16 08:58 PM | Reply

The pattern is so familiar.
First, deny it's happening.
When it's exposed, pretend it's an extreme outlier.
When it's exposed to be more mainstream than outlier claim it's wonderful and attack anyone who challenges it.

That sounds like the Republican strategy to a tee.

But, back to the matter at hand, hasn't this thread shown these type of procedures performed on teens is rare?

#81 | Posted by brass30 at 2023-01-16 09:16 PM | Reply

" How old does a girl have to be to receive breast augmentation surgery?

#73 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2023-01-16 07:33 PM | FLAG: "

A legal adult. 18. Again, not a difficult concept.

#82 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-01-16 09:25 PM | Reply

" Why do you believe a 15 year old receiving breast reduction surgery is grotesque?

Please be specific.

#76 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2023-01-16 07:38 PM | FLAG: "

Cutting into a healthy body is mutilation. When it's done to a minor it's child abuse.

#83 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-01-16 09:26 PM | Reply

" Gender Reassignment Surgery Is Now Available To Oregon Minors Without Parental Consent"

Did you actually read the article, or just the headline?

The article seems to point out these laws in Oregon are to the benefit of teens - meaning to assist with the pressure that goes along with being in this situation and the potential result (namely suicide).

No where did it mention how many teens actually get reassignment surgery - other than Bruce Jenner which doesn't really apply to this discussion.

Bottom line, the law is on the books but surely there is a long, long process.

#84 | Posted by brass30 at 2023-01-16 09:35 PM | Reply

Cutting into a healthy body is mutilation.

Are you sure? Millions would disagree.

When it's done to a minor it's child abuse.

I get your point here, but you also have to consider the number of cases, and along with that, have some concept of what each case entails.

#85 | Posted by brass30 at 2023-01-16 09:40 PM | Reply

The thing to remember with transgender is, this is not a new thing.

This goes back centuries.

The fact that we have laws/doctors/etc. to deal with it can only be considered a plus (unless you're a Republican?)

#86 | Posted by brass30 at 2023-01-16 09:42 PM | Reply

Cutting into a healthy body is mutilation. When it's done to a minor it's child abuse.

#83 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

So where is the republican push to shut down tattoo shops and those ear piercing kiosks at the mall??

#87 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2023-01-16 09:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

And there I go again.

Attempting to reason with people who are cheering on genocide.

#88 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2023-01-16 09:59 PM | Reply

" So where is the republican push to shut down tattoo shops and those ear piercing kiosks at the mall??

#87 | POSTED BY TRES_FLECHAS AT 2023-01-16 09:57 PM | FLAG: "

Is "Tres Flechas" slang for "Snoofy"? Are you equivocating a pierced earlobe with castration?

#89 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-01-16 10:20 PM | Reply

Cutting into a healthy body is mutilation. When it's done to a minor it's child abuse.

#83 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Tell that to a 15 year old girl with triple M breast size.

#90 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-01-16 11:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

A legal adult. 18. Again, not a difficult concept.

#82 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

You would be wrong, the age is 15, because ethicists have decided that people can decide what is good for themselves.

Not the ethics you ply which I would equate to the gunk in the grinch's soul

#91 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-01-16 11:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"First, deny it's happening."

Do you think transgender is a mental illness that needs to be treated, or are there really people whose idea of themselves doesn't match your idea of what they are, as determined by their --------.

#92 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-01-17 01:43 AM | Reply

" Tell that to a 15 year old girl with triple M breast size.

#90 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2023-01-16 11:15 PM | FLAG: "

Uh huh. First off that type of size is extremely rare. Second, you are talking about reduction for health reasons which is NOT what top surgery really is. Under the rubric of "gender affirmation" girls are having their B cups lopped off.

It's mutilation.

#93 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-01-17 02:52 AM | Reply

First off that type of size is extremely rare."

"We found no examples of "young kids" receiving transition-related surgery."

"Even then, it's very rare."

This type of surgery on children seems to be very rare. And it's all done for health reasons by a doctor.

Much more rare than body piercings and tattoos and other types of body "mutilations". Which are not done for health reasons and are not done by a doctor.

"DeSantis' office provided PolitiFact with two cases involving adolescents."

But leave it to magamaroons like DingDong to get faux raged over two extremely rare cases the history of which they know nothing about.

#94 | Posted by donnerboy at 2023-01-17 04:09 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Uh huh. First off that type of size is extremely rare. Second, you are talking about reduction for health reasons which is NOT what top surgery really is. Under the rubric of "gender affirmation" girls are having their B cups lopped off.
It's mutilation.

POSTED BY BELLRINGER AT 2023-01-17 02:52 AM |

To you it's mutilation. To them it's life affirming surgery. I'll take their words over your's Everytime.

#95 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2023-01-17 06:50 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

We can try and imprison 11 year olds as an adult. But don't you dare give hormone blockers to a kid. That's child abuse.

#96 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2023-01-17 09:12 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#7 Your ignorance of the subject matter isn't surprising in the least. I'll chalk it up to unwillingness to learn.

#8 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR AT 2023-01-16 07:16 AM | REPLY | GFY (if you still can)

Oh puhleeze... I've been dealing with the trans community since the 80's so I remember before it was a thing and "there was this doctor in Colorado" who performed "the surgery" before it was commercialized, and exploited then Thailand became the place to go to get it done cheaply.
Seriously the b.s. spouted by you and another denial of their chromosomal reality types is this undercurrent of narcissism where a guy thinks he can "do woman better than a woman. Seriously... when trans women discuss themselves its all about T&A and what a nice set they got allowing them to "express their true nature". PPPPFFFTTTTTTT

In reality, most of the trans pushback comes from M2Fs. To me what they are are men inside wanting to be admired and desired by men in a way that women born with the chromosomal makeup take for granted. There is so much importance placed on the penis (which is just another organ) losing it or acquiring a reasonable facsimile of one is some great sacrifice... and you want to be admired for that... which is basically mutilating your body to achieve the degree of attention you want... and a lifetime of hormones to compel your body to appear like the opposite sex. Hell ironically not only do you have to take estrogen to look like you want... but and ironically so... you have to take testosterone in order to have sexual desire.

Trust me if you are M2F who died today and the remains of your body were discovered 500 years from now what they would find is a male skeleton with a pair of implants on his chest... and probably a few fake teeth. All the products of a wealthy society are able to indulge in such whimsy.

I know my thoughts on this are not warm and cuddly but they are reality-based. No, I don't hate trans people I just don't go for that cultural octopus ink you spew trying to deny the truth of what you are.

BTW there is a trans community that is reality-based about their life choice... so not everyone travels the road you've chosen.

#97 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2023-01-17 09:21 AM | Reply

Is "Tres Flechas" slang for "Snoofy"? Are you equivocating a pierced earlobe with castration?

#89 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Ask the idiot ---- who is, unironically, equating a puberty blocker taken by a 15 year old kid with castration.

The difference is that a pierced ear is, by definition, mutilation, where as a puberty blocker is none of your ------- business.

#98 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2023-01-17 09:38 AM | Reply

Here's the deal, bell end, you will always lose.

All the time.

Work to elect any troglodyte who will pretend that they care about any of this you choose, it doesn't matter.

You will lose every single time.

#99 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2023-01-17 09:47 AM | Reply

Trea Flechas it's not my fault that Chuck E Cheese has a restraining order on you.

#100 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-01-17 10:09 AM | Reply

Oh look, kids.

What a rare thing.

The guy who wants to, perhaps personally, inspect the genitalia of every high school student who wants to play sports is insinuating something..

#101 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2023-01-17 10:37 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"What do you think of requiring young people to meet with others who transitioned and later detransitioned`.

I do know a few who transitiomed M yo F, they would hate detransitioning and to be considered incapable of making such decisions for themselves which isan expression of hate for transgendered people these decisions foe thwmselves and need self=appointed guardians to tell them what they wamt or feel about themselves.

#102 | Posted by danni at 2023-01-17 10:39 AM | Reply

If not personally he sure does want to pick the person who is allowed to inspect the genitalia of every high school student who wants to play sports.

Simply knowing that it's being done and that he got to choose the person who gets to do it is enough to get ole Bell End off.

#103 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2023-01-17 10:39 AM | Reply

Allowing boys to play girls' sports is misogyny. No wonder Tres Flechas is on board.

#104 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-01-17 10:51 AM | Reply

The difference is that a pierced ear is, by definition, mutilation, where as a puberty blocker is none of your ------- business.

#98 | POSTED BY TRES_FLECHAS AT 2023-01-17 09:38 AM | FLAG: PFFFTTTT

Puberty blockers fall under the umbrella of chemical castration so erm.... it is mutilation... (ironically) one inch at a time...

You're not going to win this argument 3 arrow boy... or girl... or whatever pronoun you prefer... because you can't really go there and all the king's horses and all the queen's men can't make you something you weren't born to be. If that is a man with an inclination to dress and present as a woman... even to the degree where they have themselves --------d... or -------- themselves (I've known a few who tried this)... so be it. All you end up with is a eunuch with a ---- job or part of your arm trashed to create an inflatable penis. Both are the products of a wealthy self-indulgent society.

Most of the planet's people with that inclination just muddle their way through the experience... for better or worse. You and your ilk on the other hand want people to like me to play dress-up dolls with you and buy into your fantasy about yourselves.

#105 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2023-01-17 11:15 AM | Reply

#105

It's not an argument.

Genocide is wrong.

You'll never win.

#106 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2023-01-17 11:30 AM | Reply

So, stop the abuse.

Get in the locker room and sniff the genitalia of children, #104.

When you're done make an idiotic post under an anonymous name about someone else being a pedophile.

#107 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2023-01-17 11:31 AM | Reply

Puberty blockers fall under the umbrella of chemical castration so erm.... it is mutilation... (ironically) one inch at a time...

#105 | POSTED BY RIGHTISTRITE

You are either retarded or a liar.

Perhaps a retarded liar.

www.phsa.ca

FTA:

#108 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2023-01-17 11:36 AM | Reply

There are no known irreversible effects of puberty blockers. If you decide to stop taking them, your body will go through puberty just the way it would have if you had not taken puberty blockers at all.

#109 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2023-01-17 11:40 AM | Reply

#109 The same thing was said about taking steroids in the '80's.

#110 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-01-17 11:42 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Puberty blockers aren't chemical castration. It's a pill to pause puberty so it gives the transgender kid time to decide what they want to do. If they want to get off of puberty blockers and return to the puberty set forth by their original body they just continue without a problem.

#111 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2023-01-17 11:50 AM | Reply

I'll defer to the doctors over the drooling f****** ------ who's best reply so far wassomething about Chuck E cheese, thanks.

#112 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2023-01-17 12:00 PM | Reply

You'll never win.

#106 | POSTED BY TRES_FLECHAS AT 2023-01-17 11:30 AM | FLAG: PFFFTTT

And you'll never be a real woman... no matter how many "medical adjustments" you have. You may present like one mostly sort of but your body is different. Your bones are heavier, your muscle mass is bulkier, your feet and hands are big, your ----- are implants, you smell different and your crotch isn't right or "natural looking"... because your "medical past" is being male.

It is ironic that you equate removing a person's innate "generative" potential with genocide when in fact it is the opposite. I want you to keep your breeding potential... I don't care what you wear or do. I want your children to have more courage than you.

I'm not trying to kill you in masse... I'm telling you to stop lying to me about what you are when I can see it with my own two eyes. It's like talking to a living suicide. You try to kill what you are right in front of me.

Not going to let that happen.

#113 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2023-01-17 12:06 PM | Reply

I'm not trying to kill you in masse...

#113 | POSTED BY RIGHTISTRITE A

Nope.

You are in favor of legislating a group of people out of existence.

That's genocide.

If you don't like the way your ---- smells change your diet.

#114 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2023-01-17 12:12 PM | Reply

Truth,

You know society is going to be hard on them regardless how you cry about it.

Shouldn't young people considering this be well informed what to expect and to strongly take a look at their situation and their own temperament.

Are they up to this?

As your says, the truth can hurt.

All the what ifs in the world can't change the reality they will experience.

#115 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2023-01-17 12:20 PM | Reply

"Shouldn't young people considering this be well informed what to expect and to strongly take a look at their situation and their own temperament."

But enough about gun ownership....

#116 | Posted by Danforth at 2023-01-17 12:22 PM | Reply

Uh huh. First off that type of size is extremely rare. Second, you are talking about reduction for health reasons which is NOT what top surgery really is. Under the rubric of "gender affirmation" girls are having their B cups lopped off.
It's mutilation.

#93 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

hey -------, gender affirming healthcare reduces dangers to vulnerable youths by, at a minimum, reducing depression and suicidal tendencies.

but I wouldn't expect you to understand that since you can't understand PTSD as it relates to January 6

#117 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-01-17 12:34 PM | Reply

You know society is going to be hard on them regardless how you cry about it.
Shouldn't young people considering this be well informed what to expect and to strongly take a look at their situation and their own temperament.
Are they up to this?
As your says, the truth can hurt.
All the what ifs in the world can't change the reality they will experience.

POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON AT 2023-01-17 12:20 PM | REPLY

And these children that you spit on
As they try to change their worlds
Are immune to your consultations
They're quite aware of what they're goin' through

Changes
David Bowie.

#118 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2023-01-17 12:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#109 The same thing was said about taking steroids in the '80's.

#110 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Liar

#119 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-01-17 12:37 PM | Reply

You know society is going to be hard on them regardless how you cry about it.
Shouldn't young people considering this be well informed what to expect and to strongly take a look at their situation and their own temperament.
Are they up to this?
As your says, the truth can hurt.
All the what ifs in the world can't change the reality they will experience.

#115 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

50 years ago gays were killed in the streets and no one protested until stonewall

40 years ago Reagan gave 2 ----- about gays during the Aids crisis.

the times they are a changing.

The reason society is "going to be hard on them" is because of -------- like you.

#120 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-01-17 12:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"hey -------, gender affirming healthcare reduces dangers to vulnerable youths by, at a minimum, reducing depression and suicidal tendencies."

Oftentimes children who suffer from gender dysphoria suffer from other mental issues as well. Prescribing gender affirming care often masks other issues.

#121 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-01-17 12:42 PM | Reply

Here is some info on puberty blockers. It's not as nice as Laura Mohr makes it out to be:

www.mayoclinic.org

#122 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-01-17 12:46 PM | Reply

A 10 year old boy likes to play with dolls - lop off his dick - The Left

1 10 year old girl is a tomboy - hack off her rack - The Left

#123 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-01-17 12:48 PM | Reply

Pump black kids full of poisoned water.

~ Flint Water Jeff ~

#124 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2023-01-17 12:49 PM | Reply

A 10 year old boy likes to play with dolls - lop off his dick - The Left
1 10 year old girl is a tomboy - hack off her rack - The Left

POSTED BY BELLRINGER AT 2023-01-17 12:48 PM |

WOW Way to go sexualizing 10 year olds.

#125 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2023-01-17 01:00 PM | Reply

I'm not the one sexualizing 10 year olds. Florida passes a law preventing school teachers from sexualizing K-3rd graders and the left went ballistic.

#126 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-01-17 01:09 PM | Reply

The reason society is "going to be hard on them"

#120 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT

Society isn't going to be hard on them and the ghouls know it.

That's the reason they are passing laws forbidding trans people from dancing in public and criminalizing kids watching Mrs Doubtfire in states that rank 49th in quality of life.

What we are witnessing is the last dying gasp.

#127 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2023-01-17 01:14 PM | Reply

I'm not the one sexualizing 10 year olds. Florida passes a law preventing school teachers from sexualizing K-3rd graders and the left went ballistic.

What a lying POS. No one was sexualizing K-3rd graders. You just made it clear that you don't even know what the law was about. You're a sick ---- these days, Jeff. Genuinely sick.

#128 | Posted by YAV at 2023-01-17 01:22 PM | Reply

I know exactly what the law is about, Yav. I followed it very closely when the story broke and even went so far as *gasp* to actually read the law. It's a shame the law even needed to be passed. It says a lot about the sad state of some of our public school districts. The Left absolutely freaked out about prohibiting teachers from introducing sexualized topics to 1st graders.

#129 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-01-17 01:26 PM | Reply

You argued with me about it when I posted exactly what it was about, and I even cited Florida's "standards" to show how extensive it was beyond K-3rd. No law needed to be passed because nothing was happening. And yet you continue to lie about it, even today.

You have no control over your emotional responses to lies and the right-wing propagandists know that. They use it. You have no capabilities to logically see and reason these days, only the capability to rationalize.

#130 | Posted by YAV at 2023-01-17 01:34 PM | Reply

You have no capabilities to logically see and reason these days, only the capability to rationalize.

He's just here to derail threads for fun.

#131 | Posted by REDIAL at 2023-01-17 01:37 PM | Reply

#130

After 3rd grade material must be age appropriate. The horror!!

#132 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-01-17 01:44 PM | Reply

You're missing an "OR" in the law and what comes after that - as I pointed out repeatedly and copy and pasted the law as it was passed.

#133 | Posted by YAV at 2023-01-17 01:54 PM | Reply

You're also missing who determines "age appropriate" - and that parents can sue teachers if they don't think it's "age appropriate".

#134 | Posted by YAV at 2023-01-17 01:56 PM | Reply

After 3rd grade material must be age appropriate. The horror!!

#132 | Posted by BellRinger

What's the legal definition of that?

#135 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2023-01-17 02:05 PM | Reply

For this debate to go anywhere there what is even being discussed needs clarification.

1. Does gender dysphoria exist? - yes.
2. Has the rate of children self diagnosing gender dysphoria inexplicably risen well above expected values - yes?

I doubt anyone has a real issue with gender affirming care for those that are actually experiencing gender dysphoria. The issue for me is that we have this spike in cases, which seems to point to an outside social contagion. At the same time there is this push to only accept gender affirming care as the first response. This seemingly means then that we are ignoring a large number of kids who are indeed suffering, but not from gender dysphoria but who need help to distinguish what it is. Jumping directly to gender affirming care for those kids is only going to hurt them furher.

To those about to knee jerk answer, recall that I said there are indeed genuine cases and those should receive affirming care. The problem is that we are calling figuring out who is genuine and who has some other issue they are suffering from and reaching to this incorrectly for an answer.

I'll offer a case in point. Good friend of my son, female, call her Jane. Dated boys all through highschool. Senior year she was sexually assaulted. Immediately began to dress differently, much more darks and loose fitting. She has a friend who is a lesbian with they/them pronouns. Jane now decides she is a lesbian too, and begins dating her friend. They eventually break up, as Jane has met another girl, who identifies as boy, and uses they them pronouns. Jane realizes now that she is actually a boy. Jane has started binding their chest, and has asked to be called Anakin. Anakin(Jane) is now dating this new person.

I've known Jane their whole life, and they were very much a happy girl this whole time. To ask Anakin now they never were. Through therapy they've come around to exploring that their actual discomfort came after the sexual assault and their desire to want to not be Jane the person who endured that trauma, and not wanting to attract male attention. If Jane/Anakin had only been met with affirming care, they most likely wouldn't have done the therapy that is starting to uncover their real issue, allowing them to being real healing.

So we really need to distinguish actual dysphoria and those that are caught up in this rapid onset spike in cases.

Can't wait to see how the above point gets twisted around.

#136 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2023-01-17 02:30 PM | Reply

Can't wait to see how the above point gets twisted around.

Anecdotes are meaningless. How's that?

#137 | Posted by REDIAL at 2023-01-17 02:33 PM | Reply

"I doubt anyone has a real issue with gender affirming care for those that are actually experiencing gender dysphoria. "

You'd be wrong again, as usual. Dope.

#138 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2023-01-17 02:34 PM | Reply

the anecdote is there to help visualize the main point.

Cases have risen too fast to account for actual cases. That means there are children who are coming to these conclusions out of need for something, but whatever they are suffering from it isn't gender dysphoria. Separating the real cases from the others can't happen if the only and first way of dealing with everyone is with gender affirming care... again first and only. I'm not saying affirming care isn't needed.

#139 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2023-01-17 02:37 PM | Reply

#139 then maybe don't piss into the wind and try to have a reasoned discussion with those that are willing.

#140 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2023-01-17 02:39 PM | Reply

You giving yourself advice?

#141 | Posted by YAV at 2023-01-17 02:41 PM | Reply

Do you encourage kids to drink alcohol? How about take drugs?

Get plastic surgery.

Who here would suggest that a teenage girl who was uncomfortable with her body be allowed or encouraged to get body modification surgery.

I kinda thought it was our roles as adults to inform kids that you're not a kid forever. Some decision should wait.

#142 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-01-17 02:45 PM | Reply

the irony of offering that up on this site wasn't lost on me.

#143 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2023-01-17 02:46 PM | Reply

Prescribing gender affirming care often masks other issues.

#121 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Paging Dr DingDong! Paging Dr. DingDong!

We have a Code Blue over on the New Mexico shooting thread!

The RUNT is being buried under his own lies again.

Hurry Dr DingDong! Only you can save him!

#144 | Posted by donnerboy at 2023-01-17 02:47 PM | Reply

"Cases have risen too fast to account for actual cases. "

Now do autism.

#145 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2023-01-17 02:47 PM | Reply

" Some decision should wait."

#142 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Who the F made you the arbiter of medical care?

#146 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2023-01-17 02:48 PM | Reply

The progressive liberal in me is revolted by the GOP effort to regulate transgender healthcare in any way. But I do want to acknowledge that I am hesitant to blithely sign off on minors getting invasive, life changing surgery without some type of psychological review being done first. Potential mental health issues should always be taken into account when considering elective life altering surgery for minors.

#147 | Posted by moder8 at 2023-01-17 02:49 PM | Reply

"I've known Jane their whole life, and they were very much a happy girl this whole time."

You have no idea how people who believe their situation is hopeless and who believe they have nobody to confide in will fake being okay so as to not have to deal with others' reactions to what they're going through.

#148 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2023-01-17 02:55 PM | Reply

"But I do want to acknowledge that I am hesitant to blithely sign off on minors getting invasive, life changing surgery without some type of psychological review being done first. Potential mental health issues should always be taken into account when considering elective life altering surgery for minors."

Good thing for you that's already happening.

#149 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2023-01-17 02:55 PM | Reply

#148 and you have no idea how much of 180 degree her personality took after being sexually assaulted. To pretend that investigating that trauma deeper before affirming her gender identity change is somehow wrong is laughable. It just proves people are more invested in party lines than peoples actual care.

#150 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2023-01-17 03:08 PM | Reply

#145 you might have a point if it were teens who showed no autistic signs start to exhibit them in their teens. But that's not the case.

www.psychologytoday.com

#151 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2023-01-17 03:11 PM | Reply

There's a lot that happens before any surgery, including lots of psychological review. This is not an easy thing to do. Not in any way. That authoritarian politicians have to insert themselves into the examination room with women that want to control their reproductive rights, that these same politicians are banning mail order plan B meds, the same politicians are considering banning birth control, the same politicians don't want you to say "gay" in any classroom, or that racism had absolutely nothing to do with slavery or any of our race-based problems. At least you're not allowed to say that the reason for it was because one race thought higher of themselves than another. You see, saying that is racist in their minds.

It is stunning so many have bought into these obvious lies and reinventions of reality. The cost is enormous, too.

#152 | Posted by YAV at 2023-01-17 03:14 PM | Reply

A 10 year old boy likes to play with dolls - lop off his dick - The Left
1 10 year old girl is a tomboy - hack off her rack - The Left
#123 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

A 10 year old girl gets raped and denied access to abortion.

"Fk her!"
-BellRinger and the right.

#153 | Posted by ClownShack at 2023-01-17 03:15 PM | Reply

#153 - They don't hear how ridiculous and nonexistent their strawman arguments are, and they never see the incredible hypocrisy they exhibit.

#154 | Posted by YAV at 2023-01-17 03:23 PM | Reply

"Who the F made you the arbiter of medical care?"

It's not me, bruh.

I can't recall a time when healthcare providers were recommending body modification techniques for minors.

But I guess that could have all changed. Maybe healthcare providers are recommending overweight kids get liposuction, or that kids who want to be more muscular be put on steroids.

#155 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-01-17 03:24 PM | Reply

In the end, it's all cosmetic.

#156 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-01-17 03:25 PM | Reply

"Am I to young to get a ---- job at 19?"

www.realself.com

#157 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-01-17 03:32 PM | Reply

In the end, it's all cosmetic.

You sure made it clear you have no clue.

#158 | Posted by YAV at 2023-01-17 03:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

In the end, it's all cosmetic.
#156 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

^
"Republican States Aim to Restrict Cosmetics in 2023"

Apparently this doesn't strike Republicans as problematic in a free economy...

#159 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-01-17 03:39 PM | Reply

I'm not the one sexualizing 10 year olds. Florida passes a law preventing school teachers from sexualizing K-3rd graders and the left went ballistic.

#126 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Christ you are a lying piece of ----.

You are seriously deranged jeffj you should seek professional help.

You won't.

More's the tragedy.

#160 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-01-17 03:41 PM | Reply

"You sure made it clear you have no clue."

I feel like a do.

How is it different for a female minor who wants to get a ---- job to look more girlish than a young male who wants to do the same?

#161 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-01-17 03:45 PM | Reply

"Apparently this doesn't strike Republicans as problematic in a free economy..."

It doesn't bother me.

Does it bother you?

#162 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-01-17 03:46 PM | Reply

I know exactly what the law is about, Yav. I followed it very closely when the story broke and even went so far as *gasp* to actually read the law. It's a shame the law even needed to be passed. It says a lot about the sad state of some of our public school districts. The Left absolutely freaked out about prohibiting teachers from introducing sexualized topics to 1st graders.

#129 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Hahaha more lying from the most prolific liar on this esteemed site.

here is the law:

www.flsenate.gov

here is the language:

3. Classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten through grade 3 or in a manner that is not age appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards.

See those "or"s

You are a piece of ---- jeff, no one likes you. You really should just go away

#163 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-01-17 03:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"#148 and you have no idea how much of 180 degree her personality took after being sexually assaulted."

That could have been the trigger for her to stop pretending in order to protect everybody else's sensibilities. Trauma can have that effect too.

#164 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2023-01-17 03:48 PM | Reply

Just a perspective on the Florida Don't Say Gay law.

it prohibits public schools from teaching about LEGAL same-sex marriage

#165 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-01-17 03:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"it prohibits public schools from teaching about LEGAL same-sex marriage"

Forget teaching, that law prohibits acknowledging the existence of people who may be inclined to want a same-sex marriage.

#166 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2023-01-17 03:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Who here would suggest that a teenage girl who was uncomfortable with her body be allowed or encouraged to get body modification surgery.
I kinda thought it was our roles as adults to inform kids that you're not a kid forever. Some decision should wait.

#142 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

If my child had breasts so large they were causing her physical pain, I would encourage her to consider breast reduction surgery.

If my child was experiencing suicidal depression over gender identity, I would encourage her/him/them to consider avenues to alleviate her suffering.

I wonder why you wouldn't help your child.

#167 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-01-17 03:52 PM | Reply

"A similar bill pre-filed in South Carolina, where Republicans control both chambers, also requires that trans adults older than 21 obtain referrals from their doctor and a licensed psychiatrist before they can begin treatment."

It should probably be adults older than 18.

#168 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-01-17 03:53 PM | Reply

" Separating the real cases from the others can't happen if the only and first way of dealing with everyone is with gender affirming care... again first and only. I'm not saying affirming care isn't needed.
No one in this thread even suggesred that anyone should proceed with sex reassignment without psychologconsultation and no reputable surgeon would do it without counseling but a 16 year old being forced to endure changes to their body from puberty is just plain unnecessary and cruel.

#169 | Posted by danni at 2023-01-17 03:59 PM | Reply

"If my child had breasts so large they were causing her physical pain, I would encourage her to consider breast reduction surgery."

You wouldn't have to encourage it, you'd only need sign the consent form. I don't think there is any doctor out there who would refuse to do the procedure.

"If my child was experiencing suicidal depression over gender identity, I would encourage her/him/them to consider avenues to alleviate her suffering."

If you had a minor daughter who was experiencing suicidal depression over any sort of body issue and wanted body modification surgery as a result, would you encourage it? Or just if it were a boy who wanted to be female-like?

Would you encourage your minor daughter to have her breasts removed if she wanted to appear more masculine?

Would you encourage a son or daughter who was very skinny to take steroids, if they had body issues because of their build?

#170 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-01-17 03:59 PM | Reply

" 163 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2023-01-17 03:47 PM | FLAG: "

That is exactly how I presented it. Determining what is and isn't age appropriate has been going on for a long time. It's not a controversial topic. At least, it never used to be.

#171 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-01-17 04:00 PM | Reply

I have to remember that I'm talking to the sky boy who was adamant that graphic drawings of under age gay sex belong in school libraries.

#172 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-01-17 04:02 PM | Reply

Soy boy

#173 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-01-17 04:03 PM | Reply

Good thing you all put a halt to OBAMA inserting government between a patient and their doctor

#174 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2023-01-17 04:05 PM | Reply

After being motor boated for the first time a teen girl with double D's would love what they have.

#175 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-01-17 04:07 PM | Reply

After being motor boated for the first time a teen girl with double D's would love what they have.

#175 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER AT 2023-01-17 04:07 PM | REPLY | FLAG

Even when being facetious you're a ------.

#176 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2023-01-17 04:15 PM | Reply

------ is a word that violates wokeness. I'm mentally challenged

#177 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-01-17 04:17 PM | Reply

You're morally challenged.

#178 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2023-01-17 04:18 PM | Reply

My morals are strong. In the dictionary the word "morality" is accompanied with a picture of me.

#179 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-01-17 04:20 PM | Reply

belong in school libraries.

#172 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

I like showing up in places where bitches like you live and announcing to anyone I see who looks like they need to hear it that "I'm here to put ----- in every book in your public library, and there isn't a ------- thing any of you are going to do about it."

#180 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2023-01-17 04:30 PM | Reply

The thing that really bothers me is that the most all of this is the insincerity of conservatives about theie deep concern for transgendered youth when all they really care about is building the lardest coalition of voters possible based on hate and discrimination against people whose only crime is that they are different.

#181 | Posted by danni at 2023-01-17 04:36 PM | Reply

" 180 | POSTED BY TRES_FLECHAS AT 2023-01-17 04:30 PM | FLAG: "

Of course you are dishonestly conflating school libraries with public libraries. But, that type of dishonesty is expected at this point.

#182 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-01-17 04:36 PM | Reply

I can't recall a time when healthcare providers were recommending body modification techniques for minors.

#155 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

You should post evidence of 1 such instance.

#183 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2023-01-17 04:42 PM | Reply

school libraries with public libraries. But, that type of dishonesty is expected at this point.

#182 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER AT 2

So mouth breathing genocidal maniacs like you are only concerned with what's in "school libraries"?

Nothing in a public library is involved in the many genocidal laws that you whole heartedly support?

#184 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2023-01-17 04:45 PM | Reply

www.npr.org

#185 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2023-01-17 04:47 PM | Reply

Genocidal laws?

You are a freak.

Yes, I understand the concept of age appropriate material. Wanna know why lefties are being labeled as groomers? Exhibit A right here.

#186 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-01-17 04:49 PM | Reply

Genocidal laws?

#186 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Yes.

You wholeheartedly support legislating a group of people out of existence.

You are a ------- genocidal maniac.

#187 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2023-01-17 04:51 PM | Reply

" Wanna know why lefties are being labeled as groomers?"

Well, for the longest time, it was because you had no idea what the word actually meant.

#188 | Posted by Danforth at 2023-01-17 04:51 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

You are enthusiastically cheering on genocide.

You do it here every day.

#189 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2023-01-17 04:52 PM | Reply

It's a pretty funny exchange.

Bell End: "You're a liar!!! Weonly care what's in school libraries! The CHILDREN!!!!!!!"

Me: No. It's every. Single. Library. Heres proof.

Bell End: "I'm not a groomer!!!!YOURE A GROOMER!!!!!"

#190 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2023-01-17 05:00 PM | Reply

#164

You really think it's more likely that she's been a tormented soul her whole life and being raped it was got her mentally right?

or

She was a happy kid who got raped and is now suffering from that trauma?

Which one are you going to all in on?

#191 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2023-01-17 05:48 PM | Reply

Truth,

"50 years ago gays were killed in the streets and no one protested until stonewall"

There is a world of difference between coming out as gay and deciding you want to change your gender identity.

For one you are either gay or you're not. It's not something people have to ponder and have to be evaluated by professionals to see if you're really gay.

Changing your gender lifestyle is not what I'm so concerned. It's making changes to your body some of which are permanent.

I said earlier I think young people should meet others who chose to detransition and get some insight into that possibility.

This is people we're talking about and not political pawns used by thoughtless people only interested in promoting an agenda.

#192 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2023-01-17 07:09 PM | Reply

promoting an agenda.

#192 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

The agenda is that everyone -- even people who you disagree with -- have a right to exist.

Right, Mr Prolife?

#193 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2023-01-17 07:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"There is a world of difference between coming out as gay and deciding you want to change your gender identity."

Not to the people who you vote for.

"I said earlier I think young people should meet others who chose to detransition and get some insight into that possibility."

And I asked you if gun buyers should have to meet with victims of gun violence. What say you?

#194 | Posted by Danforth at 2023-01-17 07:57 PM | Reply

Dan,

"Not to the people who you vote for."

I might be able to vote Democrat again when the people you vote for understand Freedom of Religion and Freedom of Speech.

#195 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2023-01-17 09:06 PM | Reply

Dan,

"And I asked you if gun buyers should have to meet with victims of gun violence."

If they're planning on using it to hurt someone I could see the value of it.

Apparently you think everyone who buys guns is going to use it for violence.

#196 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2023-01-17 09:08 PM | Reply

"Freedom of Religion"

The Bible allows slaves, provided they're from neighboring countries, and the slavemaster doesn't rule over them ruthlessly.

Does my freedom of religion allow me to hold Canadians and Mexicans as slaves, as my Bible instructs?

#197 | Posted by Danforth at 2023-01-17 09:09 PM | Reply

"... and Freedom of Speech"

Pfft. No one, and I mean NO ONE restricts your freedom of speech.

#198 | Posted by Danforth at 2023-01-17 09:10 PM | Reply

"Apparently you think everyone who buys guns is going to use it for violence."

No, but I've noticed very few people without guns go on shooting rampages.

#199 | Posted by Danforth at 2023-01-17 09:15 PM | Reply

I might be able to vote Democrat again when the people you vote for understand Freedom of Religion and Freedom of Speech.

POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON AT 2023-01-17 09:06 PM | REPLY

Nah not gonna happen because you're a self loathing bigot. I don't think it means what you think it means.

#200 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2023-01-17 09:24 PM | Reply

"I might be able to vote Democrat again..."

No you won't. You'll never forgive Democrats for appointing the judges who ruled gay marriage legal.

The Democrats could change, tomorrow, into everything you pretend to want from them. You'd find some other reason.

#201 | Posted by Danforth at 2023-01-17 09:29 PM | Reply

Dan,

"You'll never forgive Democrats for appointing the judges who ruled gay marriage legal."

You're in the ballpark but you have it wrong.

I was ok with the passing of Gay Marriage although I was surprised. I doubted it would happen but it did.

That showed me this liberal Supreme Court was a wild card.

Then when liberals began using young kids to peddle transgender rights that overrode the rights of women and children I knew liberals had started losing their minds.

The golden ring all these years was Gay Marriage but no...they had to continue pushing for something else.

Why?

Personally I believe the ultimate real goal is discrediting anything and everything to do with Christianity.

Liberals are positioning themselves as the enemy of Christ in particular.

How's that?

Isn't that a lot more interesting than I didn't like Gay Marriage?

#202 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2023-01-17 09:56 PM | Reply

The only one losing their minds is you Bill Johnson. When one minority gains rights others don't lose theirs. It's not pie.

#203 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2023-01-17 10:03 PM | Reply

Laura,

"When one minority gains rights others don't lose theirs."

Why do you think we have courts?

Conflicting rights has been going on forever.

Time to watch TV.

#204 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2023-01-17 10:07 PM | Reply

After being motor boated for the first time a teen girl with double D's would love what they have.

#175 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

AAAANNNNDDDDD here we have Jeff fantasizing about having sex with children.

#205 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-01-17 10:08 PM | Reply

Truth,
"50 years ago gays were killed in the streets and no one protested until stonewall"
There is a world of difference between coming out as gay and deciding you want to change your gender identity.
For one you are either gay or you're not. It's not something people have to ponder and have to be evaluated by professionals to see if you're really gay.
Changing your gender lifestyle is not what I'm so concerned. It's making changes to your body some of which are permanent.
I said earlier I think young people should meet others who chose to detransition and get some insight into that possibility.
This is people we're talking about and not political pawns used by thoughtless people only interested in promoting an agenda.

#192 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON A

bill, trans people's trans identities are as strong as a gay person's gay identity, but you know that, you just hate them

#206 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-01-17 10:10 PM | Reply

AAAANNNNDDDDD here we have Jeff fantasizing about having sex with children.
#205 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS

He's not a "groomer" though.

Everyone else is.

Just ask him.

#207 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2023-01-17 10:11 PM | Reply

I might be able to vote Democrat again when the people you vote for understand Freedom of Religion and Freedom of Speech.

#195 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Am I entitled to Freedom FROM YOUR religion?

#208 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-01-17 10:11 PM | Reply

Apparently you think everyone who buys guns is going to use it for violence.
#196 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Name ONE thing that a gun is used for besides violence?

#209 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-01-17 10:12 PM | Reply

Why do you think we have courts?
Conflicting rights has been going on forever.
Time to watch TV.
POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON AT 2023-01-17 10:07 PM |

Run away run away run away.

#210 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2023-01-17 10:13 PM | Reply

Liberals are positioning themselves as the enemy of Christ in particular.
How's that?
Isn't that a lot more interesting than I didn't like Gay Marriage?
#202 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

I am also the enemy of Thanos, Sauron and that no-nosed guy from Harry Potter, doesn't make me wrong in any way.

#211 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-01-17 10:14 PM | Reply

Truth,

"Am I entitled to Freedom FROM YOUR religion?"

No.

#212 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2023-01-17 10:18 PM | Reply

Liberals are positioning themselves as the enemy of Christ in particular.
How's that?
Isn't that a lot more interesting than I didn't like Gay Marriage?
#202 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Why do you want to force your religion on others?? Keep your religion to yourself please.

#213 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2023-01-17 10:21 PM | Reply

Am I entitled to Freedom FROM YOUR religion?"
No.

POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON AT 2023-01-17 10:18 PM | REPLY

You have no right to force your religion on others. Where did you get this type of thinking from???

#214 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2023-01-17 10:26 PM | Reply

205 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2023-01-17 10:08 PM | REPLY FLAG: Doesn't merely fantasize about having sex with children ... .takes it further.

#215 | Posted by eberly at 2023-01-17 10:26 PM | Reply

"Then when liberals began using young kids to peddle transgender rights that overrode the rights of women and children"

When did that happen?

"Liberals are positioning themselves as the enemy of Christ in particular."

Because they want to feed the poor, nurse the sick, and treat well the least of your brethren?!?

You're joking, right? You vote for a party who can't even be honest about the last election, led by a guy who breaks half the Ten Commandments on a regular basis.

#216 | Posted by Danforth at 2023-01-17 10:27 PM | Reply

Laura,

"Why do you want to force your religion on others?"

I don't care what you believe.

You don't have to accept any religion you don't want.

If you don't want my opinions...then don't read them.

Now...if the moderator here comes to your aid and bans me...well...it's his sandbox.

#217 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2023-01-17 10:28 PM | Reply

"Isn't that a lot more interesting than I didn't like Gay Marriage?"

I never said you didn't like gay marriage. How would either of us know?

All I said was you'll never forgive Democrats for undermining your life choices.

#218 | Posted by Danforth at 2023-01-17 10:29 PM | Reply

Dan,

Not sure how liberals have undermined me.

#219 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2023-01-18 01:08 PM | Reply

"Am I entitled to Freedom FROM YOUR religion?"
No.
#212 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Say what?

#220 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-01-18 01:23 PM | Reply

"Not sure how liberals have undermined me."

You keep saying they have undermined democracy, by allowing people to vote by mail.
That's not you?

#221 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-01-18 01:26 PM | Reply

POSTED BY BELLRINGER

All you have to know about this poster is he supports raping of 10 year old girls and prohibiting them from receiving medical attention.

#222 | Posted by ClownShack at 2023-01-18 03:19 PM | Reply

Not sure how liberals have undermined me.
#219 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Conservatives have fked you in the head.

#223 | Posted by ClownShack at 2023-01-18 03:21 PM | Reply

you just hate them
#206 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS

Hate unties conservatives.

#224 | Posted by ClownShack at 2023-01-18 03:24 PM | Reply

Erin Reed
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This is bad.
A new anti-trans bill in West Virginia would ban "transgender exposure to minors" as "obscene matter."
It would add to a law with a 5 year prison term, and to ALL laws around minors in WV.
It must not pass.
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The law is SB252, and it also spells out many other provisions, such as not allowing "obscene matter" within 2,500 feet from schools.
This brings us back to 3 articles laws from the 1960s.
It explicitly targets "transvestite and transgender exposure, performance, or display"

The law that it applies the definition to is 61-8A-1. The penalties for "intentionally distributing, offering, or displaying to a minor any obscene matter" is 5 years in prison and $25,000.
remember that this law defines "transgender exposure" as "obscene matters"

They are no longer making pretense of targeting the drag community alone. Now they are explicitly targeting transgender people. Nebraska has recently done the same thing in dropping the pretense, although they don't explicitly spell out transgender people, just gender identity.

This is not "one lone senator submitting a crazy bill" anymore, and I want to confront that line of logic early.
We are now at 7 states with proposed drag bans.
Most have multiple sponsors.
This bill has 4 senate sponsors.

#225 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-01-18 04:48 PM | Reply

They want to eliminate us from society or worse killed. Burns my hiney.

#226 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2023-01-18 04:56 PM | Reply

Republicans are scum. Beneath contempt.

#227 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-01-18 05:14 PM | Reply

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