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Sunday, January 29, 2023

Images suggest that major damage was dealt to Iran's War drone production capability which in turn would mean that they can no longer provide Russia with war drones.

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#1 | Posted by Nixon at 2023-01-29 03:39 PM | Reply

Good.

Now if they could kill off the Mullahs and conservatives who are running that nation.

Life could start to improve for the people of Iran.

#2 | Posted by ClownShack at 2023-01-29 03:41 PM | Reply

We have seen for ourselves that the elections in Iran are at least sometimes legitimate. Perhaps it's time for the majority people to elect somebody president who is as liberal as themselves.

#3 | Posted by Tor at 2023-01-29 04:38 PM | Reply

Preemptive attacks are war crimes. No state of war exists.

Israelis,are breaking the law.

We should punish them by withholding their free money.

Moochers shouldn't be war criminals. Preemptive strikes are an illegal act unless it's the Jooes.

Or the US,or NATO.

Other countries don't get the same consideration from the "rules based order".

They get sanctioned or worse.

#4 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2023-01-29 10:22 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

The line has been crossed. For the first time Israel has attacked Iran directly with an air strike. Now watch out as this escalation may close the Straits of Hormuz resulting in a direct confrontation with the USA, Israel, and Saudi Arabia. Iran may also decide to build A-bombs. Things by Ukraine are getting hotter.

#5 | Posted by wolfdog at 2023-01-29 10:47 PM | Reply

It a few years when terrorists (that aren't Israel) get their hands on drones, it's gonna suck!

#6 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-01-29 11:09 PM | Reply

We don't actually know if it was Israel that did this. In theory could have been some Good Samaritans in iran.

#7 | Posted by Tor at 2023-01-30 12:41 AM | Reply

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#2 | Posted by ClownShack at 2023-01-29 03:41 PM
Life could start to improve for the people of Iran.

Life will immediately improve for the people of Iran, Iraq, Yemen, Lebanon, Middle East and the entire world.

There are only a few pieces of Axis of Evil left that actively sponsor terror and tyranny and stand in a way of potentially mostly peaceful international existence, after the fall of Soviet Union and Saddam Hussein - imperial Russia and Iranian theocracy.

If we, with the help of allies, dismantle these two regimes (democratic Iran can be quite an asset in the Middle East) the rest will be a lot easier, if we keep on guard.

"Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty."
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#8 | Posted by CutiePie at 2023-01-30 01:46 AM | Reply

"Preemptive attacks are war crimes. No state of war exists."

Double syandards much? You're ok with Russia using Iranian drones to attack apartment buildings and hospitals in an undeclared and unprovoked war but the manufacturing facilities of those drones are off limits? That is simply ridiculous, I applaud Israel for doing what we should have done months ago. F**k Iran! Your bias towards Psycho Putin is showing again! How much do they pay you to repeat their talking points here Russian troll? I am so glad reading this news, I've been posting that we need to bomb the Iranian bomb factory for a long time now and now Israel has. Yay! Israel! I doubt Biden will admit it but I suspect that the Israelis informed him before the attack. Putin has turned the entire world against himself, I hope they get him in a similar attack and trust me, niether they nor I care what a Russian troll thinks about that!

#9 | Posted by danni at 2023-01-30 03:33 AM | Reply

WOLFPUP @ #5

Ain't that cute. The puppy's script writer builds speculation, fear mongering, ifs and whataboutisms all into one post. That was a whole days work right there.

However, I'm starting to miss the China and North Korea buzz words.

#10 | Posted by Twinpac at 2023-01-30 05:37 AM | Reply

#9 If Russia attacks NATO for arming Ukraine that's the same logic you're pushing here. You're saying that unprovoked attacks on possible enemy suppliers are legitimate,even when no state of war exists between the two states involved. If Putin were to follow your logic he would bomb Raytheon and Lockheed Martin. It puts non combatants in harm's way and is frankly,a douche move.

Israel is dead wrong on this. They know it too. That's why they are denying responsibility.

#11 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2023-01-30 10:43 AM | Reply

Twinpac -- Yeah! I'm here. Sorry you don't see the danger in Israel launching drones or rockets at Iran. But this overt act of aggression put us all at risk of World War III. And it was all to support Hebrew Zelenskyy. The line has been crossed. So don't be surprised if Jewish shipping is attacked in the Gulf and we all end up paying even higher prices.

#12 | Posted by wolfdog at 2023-01-30 01:11 PM | Reply

But this overt act of aggression put us all at risk of World War III.

Take it up with Bibi.

#13 | Posted by REDIAL at 2023-01-30 01:14 PM | Reply

"For the first time Israel has attacked Iran directly with an air strike. "

Read a history book. This is hardly the first time.

#14 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2023-01-30 01:57 PM | Reply

" Sorry you don't see the danger in Israel launching drones or rockets at Iran. "

Sorry you don't see the danger in Russia invading the sovereign state of Ukraine.

#15 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2023-01-30 01:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Did anyone bomb the US when they invaded Iraq? Double standard much?

The whole "rules based order" is code for " Might makes Right". Trillion dollar "defense" budget's say the same thing even louder. The rules are whatever the current hegemon says they are. Russia got out of line and now they need spanking. Too bad they're too big to spank effectively,and too full of raw materials to sanction effectively. Sucks to be a superpower that can't act directly, but only through obvious and ineffective proxies.

Even if Russia is decisively defeated,there will be other upstarts to crush.

The whole China Hysteria is just the MIC looking for relevance and more money.

America is a power in decline,at least as much as Russia is.

#16 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2023-01-30 05:09 PM | Reply

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So don't be surprised if Jewish shipping is attacked in the Gulf and we all end up paying even higher prices.

"Jewish shipping"? Iran has been using drones and missiles to attack Israel's ships, cargo and tankers for years, not to mention supplying Hezbollah, Hamas, Badr, Islamic Jihad, Saraya etc. with rockets, explosives and intelligence.

Israel - the only democratic country in the Middle East - and the U.S. have been extremely patient with the crap Iran has been piling up exporting its "Islamic revolution" over the world. If it has not been for Israel, Iran would have nuclear weapons long time ago.

www.ajc.org

www.unitedagainstnucleariran.com

No wonder Putin and Ayatollah are natural allies. And so, according to our resident Russian/Putin's/Prigozhin's trolls, "Hebrew Zelenskyy" is obviously a Nazi - "ZioNazi" (by comrade Effeteposer) and "member of Israel" (by comrade Wolfdog), along with all the Israel "Nazis".

Comrades have recently stepped up the "Jews" / "Israel" rhetoric; probably testing if it will work for their propaganda. Obviously, "World War III" and "Armageddon" and "Putin's nukes" haven't been working, so trying to find another angle in anti-Semitism and anti-Israel angles.
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#17 | Posted by CutiePie at 2023-01-30 05:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Okay I'll admit it: I'm the one that bombed the Drone Factory. Test the turd on the workshop floor it's mine.

#18 | Posted by Tor at 2023-01-30 05:41 PM | Reply

It's a good setup for Israel. They don't give a ---- about Ukraine but it's good cover for blowing up Iranian things they don't like... no one is going to say much.

#19 | Posted by REDIAL at 2023-01-30 05:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Actually there are strong ties between eastern Ukraine and Israel and even if there weren't if I cannot imagine Israel being happy that Iran is mass producing War drones that are leading to an influx in refugees to israel.

#20 | Posted by Tor at 2023-01-30 06:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Wolfmutt and EFFETTRAITOR are pretty funny blokes. Always going on with generalizations about stuff they know nothing about. Do you really think that the Israelis will allow the Iranians to build a nuclear bomb? I mean it is not as though Iran has basically been talking about nuking Israel for the past forty years. Do you traitors remember when Israel destroyed Iraq's nuclear site? And by the way Wolfmutt, were you born again racist or did you evolve into one through your hick parents guidance? "Jewish shipping" "Hebrew Zelenskyy". I bet you are one of those TRumpanzee traitors that need to be interned into Fort Leavenworth for some years to 'fix' your problems.

#21 | Posted by Wildman62 at 2023-01-30 07:54 PM | Reply

Hey! Wildman62! I've some good news for you. Iran doesn't matter so much in supplying drones. North Korea has taken over and is giving Putin even better drones. Let's see what happens if/when Israel attacks North Korea. Iran and North Korea both see the danger from the USA and Israel. They may agree to share A-bomb secrets and spur development. They are in effect comrades when it comes to USA trade restrictions and relations with Russia and China.

#22 | Posted by wolfdog at 2023-01-30 08:57 PM | Reply

Hey Wildman, what about the "rules based order"?

Rule of law and all the platitudes we keep hearing so much about why Russia is so evil?

It turns out that the US, NATO and Israel ignore their own standards at will when it suits them. They Lie like breathing,and kill without remorse or any accountability.

It's all good if they do anything. Even Nuke Civilians after the surrender was unofficially given.

You can stick your moral sanctimony where the sun don't shine,

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#23 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2023-01-30 09:07 PM | Reply

The Russians are back? Oh good they can be brought to Iran and will be able to determine based on person experience whether or not the turd at the factory was in fact Let There by me

#24 | Posted by Tor at 2023-01-30 09:19 PM | Reply

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#6 Did anyone bomb the US when they invaded Iraq?

Nobody (yet) bombed Russia for illegally invading and committing atrocities in Ukraine, they are busy killing the "meat waves" your fuhrer Putin keeps throwing at them.

Your script has been trying to bring Iraq as some sort of equivalence to illegal and unprovoked war against Ukraine, which is non-sequitur.

But just a little history:

1. Ukraine - the country whose borders Russia agreed to respect and protect as per 1994 Budapest Memorandum:

On December 5, 1994 the leaders of Ukraine, Russia, UK, and the United States signed a memorandum to provide Ukraine with security assurances in connection with its accession to the NPT as a non-nuclear weapon state: "1. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the Final Act of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe, to respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine."

2. The corrupt UN's Oil-For-Food-Programme (OFF) allowed Saddam, his henchmen and various crooks within the UN and around the program, like Benon Sevan, Nadhmi Auchi, to skim of billions of USD from the program that was supposed to provide food to Iraqi people. The evidence uncovered after Iraq was taken under Coalition's control showed that "less than 2/3 of $60B went to food aid" and "much of the food aid supplied... was unfit for human consumption." Various entities involved in the corrupt program included French TotalFina/Total oil company, many Russian firms and individuals, even Russian Orthodox Church were on al Mada list of illegal oil trading.

Top 3 violators that paid kickbacks to UNOFF to receive Iraq's oil were Russia (30%), France (15%), and China (10%) - all were strongly against Iraq war.

3. Iraq's nuclear program was interrupted by the 1991 Gulf War as it was on the verge of a breakthrough. In 2003 Iraq was under UN, US and IAEA sanctions and was violating and not cooperating with at least 17 UN resolutions and kept refusing inspections, while sending caravans of trucks to Syria. Of course, UN doesn't really have an army, outside of some "peacekeeping" forces, and Saddam at the time had the world's fifth largest army and was boasting about "Mother of all wars" if sanctions and inspections were enforced. Somebody had to do what UN wasn't able to do, hence Coalition of the Willing, including some NATO and non-NATO countries took care of the tyrant who has in the past was developing NBC WMDs (including Osirak nuclear reactor that was destroyed by Israel in 1981 - Operation Opera/Operation Babylon) and who had used chemical weapons against Iran as well as his own people. Saddam has been warned multiple times about consequences of non-cooperation with UN, yet chose war instead of allowing inspectors in.

4. A number of MiG-31s as well as other Russian arms and equipment have been found in Iraq's desert in underground/under-sand warehouses.

5. On December 19 2003 - 6 days after Saddam was pulled out of the "spider hole" - Libyan strongman Muammar Gaddafi asked the US and UK to dismantle his WMD nuclear program and oversee the destruction of his chemical weapons stockpile.

6. Jan 15, 2023 - Iraqi PM Mohammed al-Sudani calls for U.S. troops staying in Iraq and supports indefinite presence of U.S. troops in his country.
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#25 | Posted by CutiePie at 2023-01-31 02:20 AM | Reply

"less than 2/3 of $60B went to food aid"

I believe that's quite a good conversion rate for an international relief program into a corrupt third world country -- which is most relief programs, and most countries.

Saddam Hussein was desperate to play ball with us, we just wouldn't let him. He didn't want to lose his palaces and his Doritos. Who would?

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-01-31 02:24 AM | Reply

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Saddam Hussein was desperate to play ball with us

He had a very funny way of showing it. He played badly, and far too long...

He didn't want to lose his palaces and his Doritos. Who would?

He chose badly - no palaces, no Doritos, no life. Poor Saddam.

People of Iraq, Middle East and the world are much better off, though.
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#27 | Posted by CutiePie at 2023-01-31 05:08 AM | Reply

Your certainty is amusing. I don't think you were even an adult at the the time of the gulf wars. You come off like an overly eager little kid.

Quaddifi is a bad example,he was murdered by the forces NATO unleashed in Libya,he would have been better off if he had resisted the disarming of Libya.

Saddam was our Ally for many years,the US encouraged his aggression against Iran. Millions died in that war.

It's easy to say people are better off when they're not you.

The world could better off with Ukraine as an oblast of greater Russia,with NATO destroyed.

See how easy that was.

Glib certainty marks you a fool.

#28 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2023-01-31 08:19 AM | Reply

The world could better off with Ukraine as an oblast of greater Russia,with NATO destroyed.

#28 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER

In the same sense that the world would be better off if you were run over by a truck.

#29 | Posted by Zed at 2023-01-31 08:26 AM | Reply

"Hey Wildman, what about the "rules based order"?

Rule of law and all the platitudes we keep hearing so much about why Russia is so evil?

It turns out that the US, NATO and Israel ignore their own standards at will when it suits them. They Lie like breathing,and kill without remorse or any accountability.

It's all good if they do anything. Even Nuke Civilians after the surrender was unofficially given.

You can stick your moral sanctimony where the sun don't shine,"-EFFETTRAITOR

The Japanese had not surrendered at that point so, whatever lying fascist communist source you are reading needs to get tossed into the garbage. US nuked Japan 'before' they surrendered so as to check the Soviets, who had cowardly invaded Manchuria and then Japan, when it was safe and after the US had did almost all of the killing and dying to make it easier for them to do so. I guess it was payback for when Japan whipped their asses at the turn of the century that and a cowardly advancement on a defeated people....just like they(Russia) did in Eastern Europe. Dropping those nukes was more about the US keeping the communists at bey than getting Japan to surrender as the napalm bombing was killing more on a nightly basis than did the nukes and they were going down no matter when or how. By the way, last I checked, the conversation is about Russia invading Ukraine. Stick to the topic for once eh? For your information, I never gave the US a pass for Iraq or Central America, Chile, Iran and any of the many other places they have screwed over. I actually protested against the Iraq war for an entire month I was so pissed off about it. I do hold the US to account when they do stupid stuff believe it or not and I live in a South American country that suffered a whole lot from the US/CIA/Kissinger nightmare they subjected upon the good people of this country. My in-law relatives were tortured by Pinochet and I would never wish that type of society upon anyone. Putler and the Mullahahs of Iran represent that style of fascism once again and yet here you are supporting them. You know like shooting peaceful protestors in the streets of Iran or Putler sending tens of thousands of naive conscripts off to die for what again exactly? Why no shrieking over the hundreds of innocent people that the Iranian government hangs for showing their hair or protesting against murder or those abroad that Putler poisons? I mean I find it pretty funny that you castigate the US and the West for stuff that is not anywhere near the tragedy on scale as to what the Iranians, Chinese, North Koreans or Russian do on a daily basis to their own people. I do not know if you live in one of those countries and just work as an agitator trying to stir ---- up in the West to divide us or are a completely over the top hypocritical wanna be communist living in the wealth, safety and stability of the West as your posts concerning the West and the USA seem to show this peacenik side but then when you lick Putler's nuts you destroy that. Just because the US has been screwed up and decides to invade somewhere, whenever a right wing fascist occupies the White House(Reagan, Bush 1 & 2) does not mean all about American is bad or that Russia and Iran are good. Either you are against fascism or you are just a lying hypocrite on the topic that constantly deflects for these fascists.

#32 | Posted by Wildman62 at 2023-01-31 11:53 AM | Reply

I'm against War. I'm against economic strangulation of people who don't conform to a particular worldview. I'm against meddling in the affairs of others, especially when the meddling shows total incomprehension of the circumstances involved.

Russia is a good example. They have their own interests,they are not angels,or devil's, either. Invading Ukraine was a great error and not in Russian interests overall. They were systematically baited and pushed into a situation where war became almost inevitable. Putin rose to the bait, which is unfortunate for everyone. The Ukrainians especially. If the Western alliance had been more circumspect about expanding and had actually listened to what the Russians, not just Putin,were saying, for years,war would not have happened.

NATO likes to think of itself as benign in practice and intention,the Russians clearly don't agree.

Knowing this,NATO should have been more humble and less intent on endless expansion. G.W Bush, the architect of the Iraq war was instrumental in pushing NATO membership East to include Georgia,Ukraine and the Baltics. This expansion and ending the midrange missile control treaty lead directly to the situation that became the current war.

Dubya,was a really,really, stupid and venial person. He invaded a Sovereign Iraq for no legitimate reasons,and antagonized the Russians so badly with his NATO policies that now we have war in Europe.

Iraq was a terrible precedent in that it showed the TOTAL HYPOCRISY of the "rule$ based" order. America showed it's true face. Of course Putin doesn't believe anything NATO or the US promise,he would have to be suicidal to do so.

#33 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2023-01-31 01:29 PM | Reply

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#25 | Posted by CutiePie at 2023-01-31 02:20 AM
5. On December 19 2003 - 6 days after Saddam was pulled out of the "spider hole" - Libyan strongman Muammar Gaddafi asked the US and UK to dismantle his WMD nuclear program and oversee the destruction of his chemical weapons stockpile.


    Despite its formal 1975 commitment to Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), Gaddafi made unsuccessful attempts to build or to purchase a nuclear weapon from nuclear-armed nations. In the 1970s " 1980s Gaddafi made numerous attempts to accelerate and push forward his ambitions for an active nuclear weapons program, using the nuclear black market sources. However, after the end of the Cold War in 1991, Gaddafi sought to resolve its nuclear crises with the United States aiming to uplift the sanctions against Libya.

    * * * Following the U.S. military response in the War in Afghanistan, Gaddafi increasingly sought to normalize relations with the United States, initially focusing on the lifting of U.S. sanctions on Libya.

    The event which ultimately caused Gaddafi to give up his WMDs and nuclear weapons program was a 2001 message from U.S. President George W. Bush which told Gaddafi that "either you get rid of your weapons of mass destruction or the US will destroy them and destroy everything with no discussion." Libyan officials began to meet covertly with British, Russian, and U.S. officials to officially dismantle the program. In March 2003, days before the invasion of Iraq, Gaddafi's personal envoys contacted U.S. President George W. Bush, Russian President Vladimir Putin, and British Prime Minister Tony Blair about Libya's willingness to dismantle its nuclear program.

    In October 2003, U.S. intelligence agencies raided a cargo ship and seized a consignment of centrifuge-related equipment bound for Libya in a northern Mediterranean port. The U.S. investigations revealed that many of these components were manufactured by a Scomi Precision Engineering facility in Malaysia and were produced under the technical guidance of Dr. A.Q. Khan and various nationals from the United Kingdom, Germany and Switzerland.

    Gaddafi then provided British, Russian, and U.S. ts with details on Libya's NBC activities. Libya allowed Russian, U.S., and British officials to visit 10 previously secret sites and dozens of Libyan laboratories and military factories.

    On 19 December 2003 - 6 days after Saddam was pulled out of the "spider hole" - Gaddafi made a "surprise" announcement of his intention to dismantle Libya's WMD programs.

    As of 2013, over 800 tons of chemical weapons ingredients remained to be destroyed. In February 2014, the new Libyan government announced that it had finished destroying Libya's entire remaining Gaddafi-era stockpile of chemical weapons.


But who needs facts when you have the alternative reality of false narrative and feelings, brought to you by: Tokyo Rose, Lord Hee-Haw, Axis Sally, Effeteposer, wolfdog - Dubya is/was "stupid and venial," he and NATO are bad, evil, no good; Iraq was "Sovereign" and there was "no legitimate reason" to invade and get rid of Saddam who was an "ally" and "millions of people died" and it was a "precedent" that "lead directly to current war" (against Ukraine) which is all about Putin's hurt feelings and "self-defense" from evil NATO "expansionism" and Ukrainian "ZioNazis" / "Hebrew Nazis" / "Jooes" / "members of Israel" etc.

Perfect! Feed that script into ChatGPT and you get Russian/Putin's/Prigozhin's IRA troll farm plow-workers Effeteposer and Wolfdog.

Si vis pacem para bellum
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#34 | Posted by CutiePie at 2023-01-31 08:30 PM | Reply

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Jan 15, 2023 " Iraqi PM Mohammed al-Sudani calls for U.S. troops staying in Iraq and supports indefinite presence of U.S. troops in his country.

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Jan 31, 2023 - US military seeks to expand access to bases in Philippines
The increased access to military bases in the Philippines would give US armed forces a strategic footing on the southeastern edge of the South China Sea just 200 miles south of Taiwan.

The Philippines used to be home to two of the US military's largest overseas installations, Clark Air Base and Subic Bay Naval Base, which were transferred to Philippine control in the 1990s. A mutual defense treaty signed in 1951 remains in force, making it the oldest bilateral treaty alliance in the region for the United States. The two countries built on the relationship with the 1998 Visiting Forces Agreement and the 2014 Enhanced Defense Cooperation Agreement.

Relations between the two countries were strained under Duterte, who threatened to cancel the Visiting Forces Agreement, which would have made it far more difficult for US forces to access the Philippines. Duterte relented and restored the agreement in July 2021. President Ferdinand "Bong Bong" Marcos Jr. has sought an improvement in the relationship with the US.
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#35 | Posted by CutiePie at 2023-01-31 08:44 PM | Reply

I dont read more than three sentence comments.

#36 | Posted by Tor at 2023-01-31 08:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I dont read more than three sentence comments.

When I see a wall of text I check who posted it. There a few posters I will read, most not.

#37 | Posted by REDIAL at 2023-01-31 10:01 PM | Reply

It's called a Snow Job and I don't appreciate when people try to waste my time so no as a general rule I refuse to read any comment of more than three sentences.

#38 | Posted by Tor at 2023-01-31 10:10 PM | Reply

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