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Monday, January 30, 2023

When it comes to wealth building, there's a whole lot of bad information out there! For example, a lot of people think millionaires get their money through a big fat inheritance. They think if you don't come from a wealthy family, your chances of reaching millionaire status are slim. But is that fact or fiction? The National Study of Millionaires"which is the largest study ever done on millionaires"uncovered the truth about how these men and women built their wealth. (Spoiler alert: Inheritances aren't as important as you think.) But our study of millionaires blows that theory out of the water. Here are the facts: Only 21% of millionaires received any inheritance at all. Just 16% inherited more than $100,000. And get this: Only 3% received an inheritance at or above $1 million!

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When it comes to wealth building, there's a whole lot of bad information out there! For example, a lot of people think millionaires get their money through a big fat inheritance. They think if you don't come from a wealthy family, your chances of reaching millionaire status are slim.

But is that fact or fiction? The National Study of Millionaires"which is the largest study ever done on millionaires"uncovered the truth about how these men and women built their wealth. (Spoiler alert: Inheritances aren't as important as you think.)

But our study of millionaires blows that theory out of the water. Here are the facts:

Only 21% of millionaires received any inheritance at all. Just 16% inherited more than $100,000. And get this: Only 3% received an inheritance at or above $1 million!

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Ah... an article by David Ramsey on a "study" done by... wait for it.... Ramsey Solutions, rofl!

You can't make this stuff up.

Study Shows Only 27% of Wealthy Americans Are 'Self-Made'

A recent study of ultra-rich Americans showed that almost three-quarters had help in building their fortunes.

According to a Bank of America Private Bank study into the backgrounds of the ultra wealthy, the remaining 27% did not inherit any money at all.

www.fool.com

#1 | Posted by Corky at 2023-01-30 11:27 PM | Reply

Hahahahaha.

Clown needs another thread to prove what an idiot he is.

#2 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2023-01-31 12:17 AM | Reply

"The top five careers for millionaires include engineer, accountant, teacher, management and attorney."

wait teachers????

........Someth'n goin on here...

#3 | Posted by Tor at 2023-01-31 01:16 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

" engineer, accountant, teacher, management and attorney."

Oh, please. Any "Top Five" that doesn't include doctors is laughable.

#4 | Posted by Danforth at 2023-01-31 01:25 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

........Someth'n goin on here...

Yep... "millionaire" is not a real benchmark these days, unless you want to include Sudan and Honduras.

Unless you define a millionaire as someone who makes a million per year, in which case teachers ain't gonna cut it.

#5 | Posted by REDIAL at 2023-01-31 01:45 AM | Reply

"And the typical size of an inheritance these days? It's just around $55,000."

And yet Republicans made it tax free into the millions of dollars.

Who does that help?

#6 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-01-31 02:17 AM | Reply

Republicans must disagree with the reasons the Founding Fathers said that we should tax the wealthy.

I mean, it's kinda obvious they support an aristocracy, when they want the Trump bloodline to rule for the next 40 years.

#7 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-01-31 02:32 AM | Reply

#1

None of what you stated is true. You're not even repeating what's in the article. You're just making ---- up.

#8 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-01-31 07:35 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

How Most Millionaires Got Rich

There are two types of millionaires: self-made millionaires and those born into wealth.

More than two-thirds of individuals with a net worth of $30 million or more are considered "self-made."

No matter how millionaires get their money, they all share some core traits, including prioritizing savings and diversifying investments.

www.businessnewsdaily.com

#9 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-01-31 07:41 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

What Percentage of Billionaires are Self Made?

According to Statista.com, 60.08% of billionaires are self made. Most of them have invested in their own companies. Most of them are into entrepreneurship and have invested in industries like; technology, manufacturing, and real estate.

www.nexinstartups.com

#10 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-01-31 07:42 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

"According to Statista.com, 60.08% of billionaires are self made."

What percentage of poor people inherit poverty vs. self-made?

#11 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-01-31 09:46 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

60.08% of billionaires are self made

#9 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Unless they had to choose between eating and gas at some point, they aren't self-made.

#12 | Posted by Zed at 2023-01-31 09:57 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#9 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Donald Trump Jr. brags that he is self-made.

An awful lot of silver spooners do this. Arrogance or a nagging secret sense of what is really true?

#13 | Posted by Zed at 2023-01-31 10:00 AM | Reply

It's just SO hard to know whom to buh-lieve.... the Bank of America Private Bank study or MB's girlfriend Dave.

#14 | Posted by Corky at 2023-01-31 10:35 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Oh, please. Any "Top Five" that doesn't include doctors is laughable."

OMG I wish that was true.

#15 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2023-01-31 10:38 AM | Reply

" OMG I wish that was true."

So you think teachers, on average, make less than doctors?!?

Didn't anyone here ever play the game of Life?

#16 | Posted by Danforth at 2023-01-31 11:13 AM | Reply

More than two-thirds of individuals with a net worth of $30 million or more are considered "self-made."

There's a great meme on Twitter. Some Facebook engineer was complaining about "how could people afford $10+ Million dollar homes", he was at the height of the FB engineering ladder and still could only afford a $4Million dollar home.

Working hard for the man only gets you so far, you need to risk that to make more. I personally don't see the point beyond a certain amount, I just don't want my life to be that complicated.

But lets be clear, Dave Ramsey built his wealth on the back of religious zealots.

#17 | Posted by oneironaut at 2023-01-31 11:20 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

OP and Dave Ramsey are full of it.

#18 | Posted by a_monson at 2023-01-31 11:21 AM | Reply

What percentage of poor people inherit poverty vs. self-made?

Probably the same amount, inheritance isn't just about the Benjamins.

#19 | Posted by oneironaut at 2023-01-31 11:21 AM | Reply

"Probably the same amount"

Huh?!? Poor people inherit roughly the same as rich???

What kind of math are you using?

#20 | Posted by Danforth at 2023-01-31 11:23 AM | Reply

Donald Trump Jr. brags that he is self-made.

So does his father.

#21 | Posted by REDIAL at 2023-01-31 12:09 PM | Reply

self-made millionaires and those born into wealth.

#9 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

I think this statement is extremely simplified and fails to consider many variables. What about luck, educational opportunities provided by parents, cronyism, existence of student loans vs. fully funded college education, simply being in the right place at the right time, did they simply belong to the right fraternity? ... etc?

Are those who are not millionaires functional beyond basic jobs? Did they at least inherit a work ethic? Are they willing to take risk? Did they suffer some significant financial setback? Did they surround themselves with the right circle of friends?

What defines hard work to get there? Placing oneself in the middle of certain transactions? Being offered a certain job because of who you know? Riding the shoulders of someone who was far more qualified? Having the inside track to a lucrative contract? Simply putting a nose to the grindstone rarely gains that type of financial success.

You seem to imply that anyone can become a millionaire if they just follow some basic pattern. It just doesn't work that way.

No matter how they'd like to describe themselves, when all considerations are factored in, I would suggest that a much smaller percentage of the wealthy are truly "self made". In fact, I know a number of "millionaires" who are not truthful or forthcoming about how they got there. How were these studies done? Did they verify the lifetime financial records of these people? Or, did they simply rely on their 'word'?

Most "millionaires" had some kind of hand up, or simple good fortune.

#22 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2023-01-31 01:58 PM | Reply

"MIT Technology Review

If you're so smart, why aren't you rich? Turns out it's just chance.

The most successful people are not the most talented, just the luckiest, a new computer model of wealth creation confirms. Taking that into account can maximize return on many kinds of investment."

www.technologyreview.com

fortune.com

#23 | Posted by Corky at 2023-01-31 02:49 PM | Reply

"The most successful people are not the most talented, just the luckiest, a new computer model of wealth creation confirms."

Most successful people will you they did two things to be successful:
1. Worked Hard.
2. Got Lucky.

Some of them are insightful enough to tally things like "born white" and "born male" and "born in a first world country" in the Lucky column.

#24 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-01-31 02:59 PM | Reply

Would Tom Brady be Tom Brady if Drew Bledsoe didn't go down with an injury?

Probably not. He probably would have retired as a clipboard holder years ago.

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-01-31 03:00 PM | Reply

The only way I can guess that teachers are on that list is that some people do teach temporarily and then move on to another job that they make a fortunate at.

They're also are people who have a spouse that makes a lot of money and to choose to teach as a profession

#26 | Posted by Tor at 2023-01-31 03:06 PM | Reply

From Corky's link in 23

"Pluchino and co's model is straightforward. It consists of N people, each with a certain level of talent (skill, intelligence, ability, and so on). This talent is distributed normally around some average level, with some standard deviation. So some people are more talented than average and some are less so, but nobody is orders of magnitude more talented than anybody else."

How do you measure "talent or ability"?

I don't disagree with any conclusion.....just wondering how they measure it.

What I do is very rare. What I'm good at is very rare. How do you measure "talent"?

#27 | Posted by eberly at 2023-01-31 03:07 PM | Reply

"How do you measure "talent or ability"?

They don't measure it.
They assign in randomly in a normal distribution.
Then they measure the impact of talent vs the impact of chance (lucky or unlucky) on individual wealth accumulation over a 40 year career.

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-01-31 03:14 PM | Reply

Ah...if I had kept reading, that would have been obvious.

Thanks.

#29 | Posted by eberly at 2023-01-31 03:17 PM | Reply

They're baiting you into understanding that talent is not the primary divider of rich vs poor, Eberly.
Or perhaps they're baiting you into saying talent is not normally distributed throughout the human race.

Because once you say those things, the notion that the economy is a meritocracy goes out the window.
The realty then becomes that some people just have a lot more merit than others.
And then you notice that white people have a whole lot more merit than black people.
And then you notice that men have a whole lot more merit than women.
And then you're racist and sexist.

Republicans typically believe the meritocracy part, but can't explain why blacks have so little merit compared to whites -- but also don't think it's American's history of racism that explains why it's like that.

#30 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-01-31 03:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Most successful people will you they did two things to be successful:
1. Worked Hard.
2. Got Lucky.

Family has a much greater role than "got lucky".

Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk all got where they are because of their families wealth and connections while telling everyone how they are self made.

#31 | Posted by Nixon at 2023-01-31 03:38 PM | Reply

According to Statista.com, 60.08% of billionaires are self made.

Narcissists love saying they are self made. It makes them seem more important than they really are.

#32 | Posted by Nixon at 2023-01-31 03:40 PM | Reply

Would Tom Brady be Tom Brady if Drew Bledsoe didn't go down with an injury?

Probably not.

But counting his success on luck isn't honest either. There is a large part of it in there. But what he did AFTER getting the job is equally important. What he did to improve himself to last as long as he has done too.

"Tom Brady's parents are Tom Brady Sr and Galynn Patricia Brady.

Brady Sr, 76, is a graduate of the University of San Francisco, and is the founder of Thomas Brady & Associates insurance firm in San Mateo, "

Having parents that can afford football camps, training sessions and the tuition and expenses at Michigan helps.

#33 | Posted by Nixon at 2023-01-31 03:45 PM | Reply

"Family has a much greater role than "got lucky"

Did you choose your family? I'd argue that's luck -- or lack thereof!

#34 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-01-31 03:56 PM | Reply

"Having parents that can afford football camps, training sessions and the tuition and expenses at Michigan helps."

One of the reasons Lewis Hamilton is Lewis Hamilton is because he hit the good parent lottery:

Hamilton's father bought him a radio-controlled car when he was five.[15] Hamilton finished second in the national BRCA championship the following year against adult competition.[16] Being the only black child racing at his club, Hamilton was subjected to racist abuse.[15][17] Hamilton's father bought him a go-kart for Christmas when he was six and promised to support his racing career as long as he worked hard at school.[18] To support his son, Hamilton's father took redundancy from his position as an IT manager and became a contractor, sometimes working up to four jobs at a time including employment as a double glazing salesman, dishwasher, and putting up signs for estate agents,[19] while still attending his son's races.[20] Hamilton's father later set up his own IT company.[21] He continued to be Hamilton's manager until early 2010.[22][23]
--wikipedia

#35 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-01-31 04:00 PM | Reply

" Having parents that can afford football camps, training sessions and the tuition and expenses at Michigan helps."

He was a scholarship athlete.

Fact is he's one of the best to ever play that position. He earned that.

#36 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-01-31 04:33 PM | Reply

Anyone got a better idea of why teachers are on that list?

#37 | Posted by Tor at 2023-01-31 04:42 PM | Reply

He was a scholarship athlete.
Fact is he's one of the best to ever play that position. He earned that.

#36 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

How did he become a scholarship athlete?

An educated guess would be that he had 'parents that can afford football camps and training sessions'. And you still fail to acknowledge his luck in replacing an injured Bledsoe. I doubt if Brady was originally being groomed to be Bledsoe's replacement.

Brady might have eventually ended up a starter on some other team. A rarity for a 6th round draft pick. Would he have achieved the same level of success under a different system? The answer to that is pure speculation. I will posit that Brady got there at least in part by supportive parents and luck.

#38 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2023-01-31 05:46 PM | Reply

Supportive parents is a pretty common thing as most parents want what is best for their kids.

He got his opportunity because Bledsoe got hurt. By the time they had reached the playoffs NE elected to stick with him. That was a result of his performance.

#39 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-01-31 06:11 PM | Reply

Yeah that teacher claum is just bs isnt it?

#40 | Posted by Tor at 2023-01-31 08:58 PM | Reply

"What percentage of poor people inherit poverty vs. self-made?"

Do you mean to ask how many people were conditioned to accept poverty as a reasonable option?

#41 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-01-31 09:07 PM | Reply

- conditioned to accept poverty as a reasonable option?

Isn't as common as being conditioned to accept crony capitalism, where it's legal to bribe politicians to vote against the interests of the People they represent, as the acceptable, nay, encouraged and violently supported, norm.

#42 | Posted by Corky at 2023-01-31 09:14 PM | Reply

Gosh why would the child of Highly Successful real estate agents want to deny anyone gets rich as a result of who their parents are?

en.wikipedia.org

#43 | Posted by Tor at 2023-01-31 09:53 PM | Reply

"The top five careers for millionaires include engineer, accountant, teacher, management and attorney."
wait teachers????
........Someth'n goin on here...

#3 | POSTED BY TOR AT 2023-01-31 01:16 AM | FLAG:

The teacher is married to somebody else with a degree, which is fairly common as teachers go to college and marry somebody else college educated. They buy a house, it appreciates and pushes their net worth to a million. It's literally the example from the article.

#44 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2023-02-01 09:58 AM | Reply

I have professors in much worse financial shape than most of their students due to the massive amount of debt incurred to become a professor and slow payoff rate. Over 40, huge debt, renting homes. The ones that paid it off and have money tend to be in hard science and engineering professions where they leverage that phD with profitable industry.

#45 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2023-02-01 10:00 AM | Reply

I see the next meeting of the people are only successful because of luck and circumstance is meeting again. Have you all made yourselves feel better about not being better off in life yet?

#46 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2023-02-01 12:00 PM | Reply

45

Keep in mind that people with both a lot of education and relatively high incomes can be stupid stupid stupid with money and that's certainly a factor in why 40 somethings are still broke despite having a decent income. It's all just because it costs money to obtain a PhD.

#47 | Posted by eberly at 2023-02-01 12:11 PM | Reply

"being conditioned to accept crony capitalism,"

Who are you talking about?

are you talking about anyone who lives in the real world and accepts that politics and business are intertwined?

Right now I'm working at an office of a trade association my company uses to leverage our state government to help our industry all it can.

I guess what I'm asking you Corky is that do you even understand what crony capitalism is? Or is it just your term for anybody who has been successful in the private sector with some friendly and cooperative relationship with government?

#48 | Posted by eberly at 2023-02-01 12:16 PM | Reply

"What percentage of poor people inherit poverty vs. self-made?"
Do you mean to ask how many people were conditioned to accept poverty as a reasonable option?
#41 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Nope, I meant to ask how many poor people inherit poverty.

#49 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-02-01 12:16 PM | Reply

Right now I'm working at an office of a trade association my company uses to leverage our state government to help our industry all it can.
I guess what I'm asking you Corky is that do you even understand what crony capitalism is? Or is it just your term for anybody who has been successful in the private sector with some friendly and cooperative relationship with government?
#48 | POSTED BY EBERLY

^
Eberly is here to point out that Crony Capitalism is also the same thing as Capitalism.
Well, he's right.
There's nothing in the tenets of Capitalism that says it can't thrive with a corrupt government.

#50 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-02-01 12:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

It's all just because it costs money to obtain a PhD.

#47 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Money, blood, sweat, and tears.

#51 | Posted by Zed at 2023-02-01 12:22 PM | Reply

One might say that most Ph.D.s are self-made.

#52 | Posted by Zed at 2023-02-01 12:23 PM | Reply

"conditioned to accept poverty as a reasonable option"

Unfortunately that is a factor in why children born into poverty wind up in poverty as an adult. They watch mistakes made right in front of them and then they go out and make the same mistakes.

#53 | Posted by eberly at 2023-02-01 12:25 PM | Reply

sorry...meant to say "It's NOT all just because it cost money to obtain.."

#54 | Posted by eberly at 2023-02-01 12:26 PM | Reply

According to MadBomber, Kylie Jenner and Kim Kardashian are self-made. Their rich parents and huge connections played no part in their success.

#55 | Posted by Sycophant at 2023-02-01 12:46 PM | Reply

Right now I'm working at an office of a trade association my company uses to leverage our state government to help our industry all it can.
I guess what I'm asking you Corky is that do you even understand what crony capitalism is?

#48 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Ah. So your working right in the middle of cronyism and you don't seem to even recognize it. Figures.

#56 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2023-02-01 02:53 PM | Reply

so another person steps up and admits they have no earthly idea what "crony capitalism" means.

step right up and receive your sign..

What's "crony" about it?

#57 | Posted by eberly at 2023-02-01 02:54 PM | Reply

"What's "crony" about it?"

What's a true example of crony capitalism then?

#58 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-02-01 02:55 PM | Reply

whatsup, whatsleft?

crony capitalism is all capitalism?

#59 | Posted by eberly at 2023-02-01 03:12 PM | Reply

Barring your true example of crony capitalism, the answer has to be yes, crony capitalism is the same thing as capitailsm.
but if giving actual example of the right-wing talking points you recite is above your pay grade, that's fine too!

While you're at it, ask someone in a Che T-shirt for the differences between Soviet Communism and Communism.
Because that guy is you, just in a different uniform, playing for the other team.

#60 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-02-01 03:17 PM | Reply

- Corky is that do you even understand what crony capitalism is?

Yes... I even defined it briefly in my post just no one would be confused.

But then you came along....

"... crony capitalism, where it's legal to bribe politicians to vote against the interests of the People they represent..."

Citizens United isn't your friend, even if it was your Party that pushed it.

#61 | Posted by Corky at 2023-02-01 04:24 PM | Reply

Corky, that just means you know how to cut and paste on the Internet. That is no indication that you have any understanding of the difference between capitalism and crony capitalism.

Can you or can you not make the distinction?

Don't feel too bad. I'm not sure very many people here can make the distinction either. Those folks showed up to prove they are clueless.

Mostly it's an ignorance of how business works. It also an ignorance of how government works as well.

And what is the deal with bitching about people who you think "accept" it.

I accept cold weather.

Doesn't mean I cause it nor like it.

#62 | Posted by eberly at 2023-02-01 06:41 PM | Reply

"teacher is married to somebody else with a degree, which is fairly common as teachers go to college and marry somebody else college educated. They buy a house, it appreciates and pushes their net worth to a million. It's literally the example from the article"

I figured that out without reading the article and the author should be flogged for pretending like the income generated from being a school teacher is enough to make you a millionaire.

#63 | Posted by Tor at 2023-02-01 07:16 PM | Reply

He's a f-ing moron. 'Nuff said.

#64 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2023-02-01 08:00 PM | Reply

- I accept cold weather.

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out"because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out"because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out"because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me"and there was no one left to speak for me.

"Martin Niemller

encyclopedia.ushmm.org

Some people accept plutocratic rule, others speak out against it.

So it goes.

#65 | Posted by Corky at 2023-02-01 08:02 PM | Reply

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me and I said "You sure you got all the Jews?"

#66 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2023-02-01 08:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

65

that's it? You got nuttin?

You deflect with Martin Niemller?

It's either that or your favorite Sam Rayburn quote you toss out when you're caught defending democrats for acting like republicans.

You're pragmatic when it supports a party and then you stop when it doesn't.

You could try to be objective.

You can't make a distinction between crony capitalism and just plain capitalism. You can cut and paste the wiki definition of it....but you don't understand it.

#67 | Posted by eberly at 2023-02-02 10:36 AM | Reply

- You can't make a distinction between crony capitalism and just plain capitalism.

The distinctions are obvious to all but Republican shills.

Northern European countries, as one example, are capitalist economies, but they are also social democracies where their lawmakers represent the People, not the corporations.

I could simplify this for you further, but that would involve breaking out the crayons.

#68 | Posted by Corky at 2023-02-02 11:00 AM | Reply

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