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Wednesday, February 01, 2023

Compared with other high-income peers, the US has the shortest life expectancy at birth, the highest rate of avoidable deaths, the highest rate of newborn deaths, the highest rate of maternal deaths, the highest rate of adults with multiple chronic conditions, and the highest rate of obesity, the new analysis found.

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EXCEPTIONAL..........BEST DAMN COUNTRY ON EARTH....NOBODY HAS ANYTHING TO TEACH US.

.......... WE KNOW BEST....FOR EVERYONE..............

#1 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2023-02-01 02:16 PM | Reply

Don't you worry. Republicans will fix that by ending abortions. Public schools. Food stamps. Social services. Welfare. Social security. Medicare. Diversity. Opportunity. Progress.

Republicans hate America and they will do everything they can to destroy this nation

#2 | Posted by ClownShack at 2023-02-01 02:21 PM | Reply

The genius who wrote the article said our obesity rate "may" be a factor in our poor health outcomes.

LOL

#3 | Posted by eberly at 2023-02-01 02:23 PM | Reply

I guess no kudos to ACA?

I believe we hoped our outcomes would improve once ACA took full effect.

#4 | Posted by eberly at 2023-02-01 02:24 PM | Reply

Which part of ACA improved healthcare?

#5 | Posted by ClownShack at 2023-02-01 02:25 PM | Reply

I believe the idea was that if we insure more people with private insurance, health outcomes would improve.

people would get screened and checked more often, and fewer would neglect needed care and those services would reduce the severity of expensive treatments because they'd be discovered more often and remedied cheaper and more effective.

#6 | Posted by eberly at 2023-02-01 02:29 PM | Reply

"Which part of ACA improved healthcare?"

It slowed the trajectory of medical inflation.

I've been against it from the start, but I always said if it helped bring down medical inflation, I'd give it kudos. It did, and I do.

#7 | Posted by Danforth at 2023-02-01 02:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

I believe we hoped our outcomes would improve once ACA took full effect.
#4 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Outcomes have improved.
The striking improvement can be seen by contrasting the states that opted in to Medicare Expansion vs. states that did not.

#8 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-02-01 02:37 PM | Reply

From the cited article...

...Compared with other high-income peers, the US has the shortest life expectancy at birth, the highest rate of avoidable deaths, the highest rate of newborn deaths, the highest rate of maternal deaths, the highest rate of adults with multiple chronic conditions, and the highest rate of obesity, the new analysis found.

"Americans are living shorter, less healthy lives because our health system is not working as well as it could be," Munira Gunja, lead author of the analysis and a senior researcher for The Commonwealth Fund's International Program in Health Policy and Practice Innovation, said in a press statement.

"To catch up with other high-income countries, the administration and Congress would have to expand access to health care, act aggressively to control costs, and invest in health equity and social services we know can lead to a healthier population."...



#9 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-02-01 02:41 PM | Reply

The US still has the worst and most expensive healthcare system in the world.

And why? for precisely the same reasons why the US ranked worst and most expensive prior to ACA.

Now, this isn't a criticism of ACA as I don't think ACA took us backwards and, as Danforth pointed out, it impacted medical inflation...which was out of control.

#10 | Posted by eberly at 2023-02-01 02:43 PM | Reply

@#3 ... The genius who wrote the article said our obesity rate "may" be a factor in our poor health outcomes. ...

The author's words were...

...That tracks with the finding that Americans are more likely than their high-income-country peers to have multiple chronic conditions. In 2020, 30.4 percent of US adults said that they had previously been diagnosed with two or more chronic conditions in their life. Among other high-income countries, no more than a quarter of adults reported having two or more chronic conditions. America's high obesity rate may play into that discrepancy. The US has a higher obesity rate than any other high-income country. In fact, it's nearly two times higher than the average of its peers....

A bit different than the interpretation your comment notes.


#11 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-02-01 02:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

11

I considered all of it when I made my snarky comment.

It's still not a matter of "may". It's an absolute certainty and has been said so for decades and decades.

If an article said fossil fuels "may" be a factor in rising temperatures and other climate changes, the author would be accused of being a denier on the payroll of an oil company.

#12 | Posted by eberly at 2023-02-01 02:49 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Have people tried not having kids they can't afford? It's not like condoms are illegal.

#13 | Posted by Tor at 2023-02-01 02:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The US still has the worst and most expensive healthcare system in the world.
And why? for precisely the same reasons why the US ranked worst and most expensive prior to ACA.
Now, this isn't a criticism of ACA as I don't think ACA took us backwards and, as Danforth pointed out, it impacted medical inflation...which was out of control.
#10 | POSTED BY EBERLY

It's a criticism of Capitalism.
It's more narrowly criticism of the for-profit insurance industry too.
But the big sticking point here is Republicans can't accept that Capitalism isn't working.

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-02-01 02:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

@#12 ... If an article said fossil fuels "may" be a factor in rising temperatures and other climate changes, the author would be accused of being a denier on the payroll of an oil company. ...

That would depend upon the context in that hypothetical article, and whether or not you misread that context.
:)
Going back to your comment, the paragraph you commented upon was not talking about whether or not obesity was a factor in poor health outcomes. On that I agree with you, it is a factor. Indeed the author states, "The US has a higher obesity rate than any other high-income country. In fact, it's nearly two times higher than the average of its peers."

But the author was not talking about obesity, in and of itself. The author was talking about the study's finding that the US has more people with multiple chronic conditions, and that obesity in the US may be a reason for the US having more people with multiple chronic conditions.

I don't see a problem with the author using the word "may" in that circumstance, as the author may be extrapolating from the study's reported findings. As such, the uncertainty of "may" may be warranted.


#15 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-02-01 03:23 PM | Reply

@#14 ... It's more narrowly criticism of the for-profit insurance industry too. ...

Yup.

Healthcare for a profit is always going to be more expensive.

For the simple reason that the healthcare companies have a legal obligation to return as much profit to shareholders as possible.

The target of the healthcare industry is not better health for Americans, but higher profit for shareholders.

#16 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-02-01 03:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"For the simple reason that the healthcare companies have a legal obligation to return as much profit to shareholders as possible."

And ACA cemented those guys in place.

Go figure....we're still running dead last.

#17 | Posted by eberly at 2023-02-01 03:31 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"And ACA cemented those guys in place."

Added some more cement, perhaps.
What ACA didn't do was jackhammer them out of being cemented in place.

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-02-01 03:36 PM | Reply

@#17 ... And ACA cemented those guys in place. ...

The ACA also put into place restrictions upon how much profit the healthcare insurance industry could make. And that rule was starting to work. It was slowing the rate of increase of costs.

The problem with ACA's implementation was not what it was supposed to do, but that Republicans started to dismantle parts of it as quickly as they could.

Remember what candidate Trump was saying?

Sept 25, 2015
Everybody's got to be covered.

Feb 17, 2016
We're going to have great plans. They're going to be much less expensive and they're going to be much better.

Oct 25, 2016
You're going to have such great healthcare at a tiny fraction of the cost, and it is going to be so easy.

Nov 13, 2016
It will be better healthcare, much better for less money. Not a bad combination.


Yet all he and the Republicans accomplished was dismantling ACA.

The ironic part of it all is that ACA was based a lot upon Republican healthcare proposals.



#19 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-02-01 03:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The ironic part of it all is that ACA was based a lot upon Republican healthcare proposals.
#19 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

Yugely from the Heritage Foundation.

#20 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2023-02-01 03:48 PM | Reply

@#20 ... Yugely from the Heritage Foundation. ...

Yup.

How the Heritage Foundation, a Conservative Think Tank, Promoted the Individual Mandate (2011)
www.forbes.com

...This came up at Tuesday's Western Republican Leadership Conference Debate, where Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich tussled on the question:
ROMNEY: Actually, Newt, we got the idea of an individual mandate from you.

GINGRICH: That's not true. You got it from the Heritage Foundation.

ROMNEY: Yes, we got it from you, and you got it from the Heritage Foundation and from you.

GINGRICH: Wait a second. What you just said is not true. You did not get that from me. You got it from the Heritage Foundation.

ROMNEY: And you never supported them?

GINGRICH: I agree with them, but I'm just saying, what you said to this audience just now plain wasn't true.

(CROSSTALK)

ROMNEY: OK. Let me ask, have you supported in the past an individual mandate?

GINGRICH: I absolutely did with the Heritage Foundation against Hillarycare.

ROMNEY: You did support an individual mandate?

ROMNEY: Oh, OK. That's what I'm saying. We got the idea from you and the Heritage Foundation.

GINGRICH: OK. A little broader.

ROMNEY: OK.


(Romney was prepared to go on, but Michele Bachmann, in her usual role as the person who makes the debates less useful, interjected and changed the subject....



#21 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-02-01 03:58 PM | Reply

The ironic part of it all is that ACA was based a lot upon Republican healthcare proposals.
#19 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

What's ironic is that you all fellated it because it wasn't supported by republicans.

#22 | Posted by eberly at 2023-02-01 06:42 PM | Reply

"Promoted the Individual Mandate"

At the top of the list of what I wanted.

#23 | Posted by eberly at 2023-02-01 06:44 PM | Reply

I had to go to the ER last month, where I waited 8 hours without even seeing a doctor. I did however get to see a man die on the floor right in front of me as we yelled at the hospital employees to do something. Their fat asses could barely be bothered to waddle over and stare at him before dragging him into another room. This was at a big hospital in a major metropolitan area. They had a big fancy new waiting room. What they didn't have was actual TREATMENT ROOMS and DOCTORS.

Every tv show or movie about hospitals never shows anything like that.

This is in the richest country in the world that refuses to copy anyone else's healthcare model because that would make us socialist or something.

#24 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2023-02-01 08:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#21 | Posted by LampLighter

And then years later gingrich called the individual mandate a marxist assault on our freedom.

#25 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2023-02-01 08:03 PM | Reply

Meh.... 'Murica is also last on the list of Top 25 economies in the World with Low Poverty Rates.... right after #24 Mexico.

This country has been raided and raped by corporate super citizens, and their often individual owners, so long and often now that Poor Healthcare and High Poverty are features in the Crony Capitalist system, not bugs.

None of which will change without people speaking out against these atrocities and others, like guns being the leading cause of Child Death here.

#26 | Posted by Corky at 2023-02-01 08:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

Comrades! It's a wonder USA citizens live as long as they do. Everyone has plutonium in them from the above ground A-bomb tests out west that carried the radiation to the Midwest and the east. Those who had victory gardens got hit with a lot of radioactivity. Then you had active uranium in rings and chemistry sets for kids. Then you had X-ray machines such as in Gimbels where you could examine how well your foot fit in the shoe. And lets not forget the abundance of such foods containing cholesterol, sugar, saturated fats, caffeine, calcium that causes blocked and enlarged prostates, fast food heavily salted, alcohol, and refined carbohydrates. Now you know why people in other countries tend to live longer.

#27 | Posted by wolfdog at 2023-02-01 09:11 PM | Reply

Comrades! It's a wonder USA citizens live as long as they do. Everyone has plutonium in them from the above ground A-bomb tests out west that carried the radiation to the Midwest and the east. Those who had victory gardens got hit with a lot of radioactivity. Then you had active uranium in rings and chemistry sets for kids. Then you had X-ray machines such as in Gimbels where you could examine how well your foot fit in the shoe. And lets not forget the abundance of such foods containing cholesterol, sugar, saturated fats, caffeine, calcium that causes blocked and enlarged prostates, fast food heavily salted, alcohol, and refined carbohydrates. Now you know why people in other countries tend to live longer.

#27 | Posted by wolfdog

meanwhile in russia starving girls are eating their mother's lipstick because there's no food in the village because the kleptocratic government only serves putin's cronies.

Life expectancy in the USA is 13 YEARS longer than in russia. COMRADE. LOL.

#28 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2023-02-01 09:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Russians eat dogs. And by dogs, I mean their fat ugly daughters.

#29 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2023-02-01 11:04 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Remove the people who are against equality. Everywhere.

#30 | Posted by Brennnn at 2023-02-02 01:41 AM | Reply

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US Still Has the Worst, Most Expensive Health Care

... shortest life expectancy at birth, the highest rate of avoidable deaths, the highest rate of newborn deaths, the highest rate of maternal deaths, the highest rate of adults with multiple chronic conditions, and the highest rate of obesity ...

How and why does all of this get lumped into the "Health Care" as opposed to "Personal responsibility" (drugs/alcohol/smoking/marijuana, overeating, out-of-wedlock-children, single-parent families) and "Government" i.e., lousy public mis-education and social welfare systems that affect/fail significant segments of population, and parts of criminal system that is either too lenient and cuddles hardened criminals or is too inflexible and possibly creates more hardened criminals from victims of social neglect?

Have there been studies or breakdown/segmentation of real causes or is this just another generic "average basket bam-slam" report? Does it take into account the scale of diversity and/or rural population in the US compared to mostly homogeneous and mostly urban population in many of the selected "high-income peers"?

For example, "breaking down the U.S. figures by ethnicity yields startling discrepancies, in which infant and maternal mortality among Blacks and Latino's are more than twice the national average. In fact, the higher post-neonatal mortality rate in the U.S. is driven almost entirely by excess mortality among individuals of lower socioeconomic status."

It's well known that "free" UK NHS system is falling apart, with horrible wait times for what are considered ordinary, routine procedures in the US, and that many Canadians cross the border to have procedures or surgeries in the US at their own expense, on top of their "free" health system. How many take the "medical trip/vacation" in the other direction, if the "healthcare" in the US is so bad or "worst"?

Sometimes few numbers, especially "averages," don't tell the whole story.
__________

#31 | Posted by CutiePie at 2023-02-02 01:48 AM | Reply

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#30 | Posted by Brennnn at 2023-02-02 01:41 AM
Remove the people who are against equality. Everywhere.

They did. It was called Soviet Union. Almost everybody (except 0.001%) was "equally" miserable.

There are still few countries on this planet where all people (except 0.001%) are "equal": North Korea, Nicaragua, Venezuela...

Thanks, capitalism!?
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#32 | Posted by CutiePie at 2023-02-02 01:58 AM | Reply

What's ironic is that you all fellated it because it wasn't supported by republicans.

#22 | POSTED BY EBERLY

What's hilarious is you all tried to murder it over and over but could not even shoot straight enough to hit it.

But you were able to prevent any further progress in reducing costs and improving access to affordable healthcare with your fear mongering and hateful rhetoric.

At least the Dems got a few things passed like comprehensive reforms to the Medicare drug pricing policy ... before the crazies took over the asylum.

#33 | Posted by donnerboy at 2023-02-02 12:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Equal" is only a human construct. There's no "equality" in nature.

The gazelle isnt "equal" to the Lion.

#34 | Posted by boaz at 2023-02-02 12:19 PM | Reply

E=mc^2

#35 | Posted by YAV at 2023-02-02 12:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Equal" is only a human construct.

"Money" is only a human construct too.

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-02-02 12:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Yep, people dying all over the streets. You can't take two steps in the US without someone bleeding out because of some malady that the US system can't help with.

It's as if Liberals completely ignore the entire rest of the world when making their opinionated statements. Is it the best? No way, a lot can be improved. Is it the worst? Maybe, depends on if you have actually ever been to other countries. I mean, Liberals still think taxes aren't high in socialized countries because someone is able to spin the numbers and get their flock to believe them. But if you go to the country and talk to the people, you get a much better perspective. So most of you will believe anything you read in your Liberal news outlets regardless how true it really is.

#37 | Posted by humtake at 2023-02-02 12:41 PM | Reply

American healthcare is a capitalist construct.

If you have top off the line health insurance, there's a lot that can be done for you.

Otherwise. Go die in a ditch.

#38 | Posted by ClownShack at 2023-02-02 12:43 PM | Reply

American healthcare is a capitalist construct.

No it isn't its Government throwing corporations and the people under the bus. They forced corporations to offer healthcare to their workers. Before that you had lower paid physicians doing house calls.

The Government afraid to be "communist" avoided creating a national healthcare system

We need to expand VA to the poor and needy.

#39 | Posted by oneironaut at 2023-02-02 12:51 PM | Reply

Well, all I can say is that I've always gotten great medical care [as needed] in a very timely manner here in the USA. Cost has not been a major factor, especially for many of those of you have that have that excellent low-cost 'obamacare'.

#40 | Posted by MSgt at 2023-02-02 02:16 PM | Reply

Having done a good of traveling in different parts of the world, it is obvious that the US does NOT have the worst healthcare. The most expensive however? Probably.

#41 | Posted by moder8 at 2023-02-02 02:25 PM | Reply

Well, all I can say is that I've always gotten great medical care [as needed] in a very timely manner here in the USA. Cost has not been a major factor, especially for many of those of you have that have that excellent low-cost 'obamacare'.

#40 | POSTED BY MSGT

How much do you pay for insurance each month?

#42 | Posted by Sycophant at 2023-02-02 03:10 PM | Reply

How much do you pay for insurance each month?

#42 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT AT 2023-02-02 03:10 PM | FLAG: $164.90 per month : )

#43 | Posted by MSgt at 2023-02-02 04:17 PM | Reply

"What's hilarious is you all tried to murder it over and over but could not even shoot straight enough to hit it."

you poor thing.

you know I didn't try to murder anything. There are issues with ACA that I mentioned but I wasn't against it.


#44 | Posted by eberly at 2023-02-02 04:54 PM | Reply

How much do you pay for insurance each month?
#42 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

$164.90 per month : )
#43 | POSTED BY MSGT

^
(But he doesn't know how much it costs taxpayers. Or if he does he's not saying!)

#45 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-02-02 07:45 PM | Reply

"Race" is only a human construct. There's no "race" in nature.
The Black isnt "equal" to the White.
#34 | POSTED BY BOAZ

^
Correct me if I've misunderstood your point, Boaz!

#46 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-02-02 07:46 PM | Reply

The US has the worst most expensive health care.

And the GOP wants to make it worse.

The GOP is vile scum.

#47 | Posted by Nixon at 2023-02-03 10:02 AM | Reply

How much do you pay for insurance each month?
#42 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT AT 2023-02-02 03:10 PM | FLAG: $164.90 per month : )

#43 | POSTED BY MSGT

I'm willing to bet that's employer provided which means they are covering the rest of the cost for you.

And I'm willing to bet your yearly deductible is anywhere from $4,000-$7,000.

So on one hand, you got lucky with a good employer which 90% of US workers don't have.

On the other hand, your deductible is so high 90% of US workers would have a hard time paying for it.

So essentially the US Healthcare system relies entirely about luck. Thanks for playing.

#48 | Posted by Sycophant at 2023-02-03 10:42 AM | Reply

I made choices in life that are paying great low cost 'dividends' in my retirement.

"Medicare Part B covers medically necessary outpatient care you get in the U.S. or U.S. territories (American Samoa, Guam, the Northern Mariana Islands, Puerto Rico, and the U>S> Virgin Islands. Medicare paays after you meet the annual Medicare Part B deductible {$233.00}."

#49 | Posted by MSgt at 2023-02-03 11:18 AM | Reply

"I'm willing to bet that's employer provided which means they are covering the rest of the cost for you."

Pretty sure he gets it from the VA, paid for by taxpayers.
VA rates better than any private insurer (but not the highest cost private plans).

#50 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-02-03 11:22 AM | Reply

I made choices in life that are paying great low cost 'dividends' in my retirement.

Correct.
But those shouldn't have to be choices. That should be the status quo.

It actaully costs more, in terms of GDP, to simply not give everyone what you have.
But those costs show up as divideds in your 401(K) so you like the fact that it costs more.

#51 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-02-03 11:24 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Pretty sure he gets it from the VA, paid for by taxpayers.
VA rates better than any private insurer (but not the highest cost private plans)".

#50 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2023-02-03 11:22 AM | REPLY: Sorry child,, but never signed up at the VA as I let that for vets who are not retirees like me. I could, but instead have always used my TRICARE and now TRICARE-For-Life benefits that I earned with my 21 years service.

#52 | Posted by MSgt at 2023-02-03 02:34 PM | Reply

Tricare (styled TRICARE) is a health care program of the United States Department of Defense Military Health System.[1] Tricare provides civilian health benefits for U.S Armed Forces military personnel, military retirees, and their dependents, including some members of the Reserve Component. Tricare is the civilian care component of the Military Health System, although historically it also included health care delivered in military medical treatment facilities. Tricare functions similar to a single-payer healthcare system.

That last sentence is a real hum-dinger!

#53 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-02-03 02:40 PM | Reply

"The US still has the worst and most expensive healthcare system in the world."

No they don't.

The US just has the worst VALUE for their healthcare dollar in the world, mainly because it's the most expensive. But that aside, it's in the top 40.

#54 | Posted by Danforth at 2023-02-03 05:51 PM | Reply

hello losers

#55 | Posted by THEBULL at 2023-02-03 06:58 PM | Reply

---- off Jeffy.

#56 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2023-02-03 10:08 PM | Reply

#53 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2023-02-03 02:40 PM | FLAG: ... and just think that if you had the balls to join the military you too could have such benefits ; )

#57 | Posted by MSgt at 2023-02-03 11:32 PM | Reply

@#57 ... and just think that if you had the balls to join the military you too could have such benefits ; ) ...

While I do support healthcare for our Veterans (and better healthcare than they have been receiving, btw. But that's a different topic.)...

I really do not think your comment is, in any way, a justification for not providing proper healthcare for the citizens of our Great Country.

#58 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-02-03 11:36 PM | Reply

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