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Wednesday, February 01, 2023

Russian President Vladimir Putin invaded Ukraine partly to assert his country's regional dominance once and for all. Nearly a year on, Putin has achieved the opposite -- and not just in Kyiv.

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...Officials from ex-Soviet states in central Asia and the Caucasus say the war has prompted their governments to look for ways to reduce dependence on Moscow by turning to rival powers including Turkey, the European Union and Middle East countries. All spoke on condition of anonymity to avoid antagonizing the Kremlin.

Current and former Russian officials, also speaking on condition they not be identified, said Moscow is reacting nervously, even harshly, as the Kremlin becomes less certain of its ability to assert influence in its own backyard.

Russia has been for decades "a veto player, a gatekeeper in northern Eurasia where nothing much could happen if the Kremlin didn't like it," said Ekaterina Schulmann, a Russian political scientist now based in Berlin. "Now that seems to be changing" with Russia unlikely to emerge stronger from the war in Ukraine, and "this makes dictating one's will to neighbors problematic, to say the least."

While the failure of a key Kremlin war aim is clearest in Ukraine and Moldova, which applied for EU membership and gained candidate status after the conflict erupted, the invasion has forced even traditional friends such as Kazakhstan and Armenia to actively build ties with powers that Moscow long sought to keep at bay in the region. That has allowed Turkey in particular to step in to the void.

Announcing his Feb. 24 invasion, Putin at the time cited Kazakhstan as a model for the kind of relationship he wanted Russia to have with ex-Soviet states. He'd sent troops to help President Kassym-Jomart Tokayev crush deadly riots only the previous month.

Yet Tokayev has since disagreed openly with Putin's justification for the war, while allowing hundreds of thousands of Russians to flee to central Asia's largest oil exporter after Russia announced mobilization in September. Schulmann, who was designated a "foreign agent" by the Kremlin days after she left Russia in April, was welcomed in Kazakhstan this month by the head of its Senate, the country's second-highest official, and offered a professorship at one of its universities....


#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-02-01 05:01 PM | Reply

Every country within a day's tank drive of the Russian border is now rightfully suspicious that Russia will invade them.

#2 | Posted by Tor at 2023-02-01 07:09 PM | Reply

@#2

imo, "suspicious" is a gross understatement in your comment.

But, yeah, I agree.

#3 | Posted by lamplighter at 2023-02-01 07:38 PM | Reply

@#2

And as a sub-question....

Did Pres Putin think his unprovoked invasion of a sovereign Ukraine would suddenly trigger all the former Soviet Socialst Republics to join his, let's call it, team?


Is he really that delusional?

#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-02-01 07:40 PM | Reply

PBS has a documentary out that speculates bushs encouraging Georgia to join NATO scared the s*** out of Putin as did Obama's encouraging democracy in Ukraine. In both cases his response was to invade the country and both presidents for pathetic reasons looked the other way which in turn convinced Putin that he could do what he wanted and America would remain idle.

#5 | Posted by Tor at 2023-02-01 08:05 PM | Reply

Death to tyrants.

#6 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2023-02-01 08:25 PM | Reply

"Did Pres Putin think his unprovoked invasion of a sovereign Ukraine would suddenly trigger all the former Soviet Socialst Republics to join his, let's call it, team?"

The countries mentioned in this article were already on the team.

Now they are free agents.

Waiting patiently for Effete and Wolf to spin this as a glorious win for team Comrade.

#7 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-02-02 12:13 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

@#5 ... PBS has a documentary ...

Got a link?

thx.

#8 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-02-02 12:31 AM | Reply

@#7 ... The countries mentioned in this article were already on the team.

Now they are free agents....

That was my view of what the article reported. Maybe not the direction Pres Putin had hoped for.

... Waiting patiently for Effete and Wolf to spin this as a glorious win for team Comrade. ...

Those aliases have been so obvious. There was another, also. But I forget its appellation.

So, how long do you think it will be before they are replaced?


Maybe with a ChatGPT bot?

Who knows?

The AI bot can't do any worse than those two (three) aliases have done.

:)


#9 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-02-02 12:39 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Another view...

Russia in the Caucasus and Central Asia After the Invasion of Ukraine
www.lawfareblog.com

...Any assessment of Russia's influence in Central Asia must begin with an analysis of Kazakhstan, where just prior to the Russian invasion of Ukraine, Moscow, for the first time ever, agreed to deploy CSTO troops to support the government of President Kassym-Jomart Tokayev. In January 2022, what began as demonstrations against rising fuel prices became violent protests that the Kazakh government claimed were infiltrated by foreign terrorists. By blaming outsiders, Tokayev provided a legal basis for Kazakhstan's CSTO allies to intervene. At the time, observers speculated that Tokayev had ceded Kazakhstan's sovereignty in order to remain in power.

With hindsight, it seems plausible that Putin agreed to the limited deployment to establish calm on Russia's borders prior to the launch of the Ukraine invasion. Whether or not the Kremlin wanted to save Tokayev, it was clear that Moscow expected gratitude for the intervention. Instead, with the two-week deployment over and with Tokayev firmly in power, the Kazakh president moved to create distance from the Kremlin. He initially called upon both Russia and Ukraine to pursue dialogue, and when the U.N. Security Council voted to condemn the Russian invasion, Kazakhstan abstained. Later, Tokayev refused a request to supply troops to the Kremlin's war effort.

Then, at the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum in June, the Kazakh president"on a stage with Putin"said that he would not recognize "quasi-state formations" in the Donbas. Russia retaliated by closing Novorossiysk to shipments of Kazakh oil. And in return, Kazakhstan blocked 1,700 Russian coal wagons on its territory. Kazakhstan's cautious declaration of independence demonstrates that the longer the Ukraine war goes on, the further the attenuation of the Central Asian states from Moscow.

If Kazakhstan is an example of how the Ukraine war is roiling Moscow's relations with its supposed allies, the outbreak of hostilities between Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan underscores how distracted and diminished the Kremlin has become in the region. Although the Central Asian clashes did not receive the same kind of international attention as the war in the Caucasus, the fighting is estimated to have left close to 100 people dead and to have displaced over 120,000 people. When clashes erupted on Sept. 14, 2022, along an undemarcated part of the border, Putin, as he did in the almost concurrent case of Armenia and Azerbaijan, called upon the leaders to resolve the situation "exclusively by peaceful, political and diplomatic means as soon as possible."

The ways in which the conflicts in the Caucasus and Central Asia have strained Russia's role in the post-Soviet space were on display at the summit of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO), hosted in Samarkand, Uzbekistan"in mid-September, just as fighting got underway. ...


Good article, imo, worth a read....

#10 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-02-02 12:57 AM | Reply

Outgroup hostility promotes in-group solidarity. Reminds me of Hitler's invasion of the USSR, it may have made sense at the time but in the long run trying to fight a war on two fronts with enemies who would not quit...dumb.

#11 | Posted by Hughmass at 2023-02-02 06:56 AM | Reply

Too bad they didn't do this 30 years ago before the Hitler/Stalin virus emerged and took charge.

#12 | Posted by Yodagirl at 2023-02-02 11:17 AM | Reply

Maybe the Soviet Union has nothing to do with the reasons for this war?

Maybe Ukraine is a singular case and the friction with some of the other republics is not relevant?

Ukraine is a core interest?

#13 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2023-02-02 11:48 AM | Reply

#13 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER

Maybe you've chosen the wrong hill to die on.

Swallow it.

#14 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2023-02-02 11:58 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Ukraine is a core interest?

#13 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER

Putin's Russia is a demonstrated enemy of the United States.

So, yes.

#15 | Posted by Zed at 2023-02-02 12:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Enemy? How? Russia has its own interests. Just like the US does. Ukraine is not an official ally of the US.

The war over there is not our business. Just like Iraq wasn't Russia's business.

No interference was warranted. Nothing to see here.

Nobody gave two $**ts about the Chechen wars.

Ukraine became a cause celebre because NATO tried to turn them out and alienate them from Russia.

They were pulling them into the anti Russia camp in a very concious way.

Russia isn't having it. So now there's war and it will lead to no good.

#16 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2023-02-02 02:51 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Enemy (Russia)? How?

#16 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER

The last eight years have been a river you never got wet in.

#17 | Posted by Zed at 2023-02-02 02:55 PM | Reply

Russia has faced invasion before and has defeated all enemies. Russia will remain united under Putin and will again dominate Asia. Ukraine will crumble under the onslaught of 500,000 fresh troops. Soon the army of Ukraine will give up hope as their cities become demolished. Soon the Ukrainian people will see that relying on Zelenskyy, Israel, and the USA is like leaning on a broken stick.

#18 | Posted by wolfdog at 2023-02-02 09:19 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I'm going to have to amend my previous post: any country within an hour's Drive of a Russian military base is rightfully preparing for an attempted invasion.

#19 | Posted by Tor at 2023-02-02 09:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Russia will remain united under Putin and will again dominate Asia."

BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA THAT'S HILARIOUS!

Wait ... you weren't kidding?!? You WEREN'T kidding?

If that wasn't a joke, you're a joke.

#20 | Posted by Danforth at 2023-02-02 09:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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#16 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2023-02-02 02:51 PM |
Just like Iraq wasn't Russia's business.

Yep, good luck keeping trying to throw "Iraq" around as some kind if equivalence.

As have already been explained to you and your comrades, there were new MiG-31s and a lot of new Russian military equipment, arms and ammo found in Iraq, and Russia, France and China were the main beneficiaries and violators of the corrupt UN Oil-For-Food Program, so... yeah, apparently it was "Russia's business" which ended with the fall of Saddam's regime.

And it was not just the USA in Iraq, it was International Coalition Of the Willing nations, that included many (not all) NATO and non-NATO nations, to enforce at least 17 UN resolutions that Saddam Hussein chose to ignore because he relied on Putin's / Russia's veto of any military action in the UN Security Council, so... again, yeah, apparently it was "Russia's business."

In the other hand, Russia's unprovoked Ukraine invasion and illegal "annexations" and rapes, kidnappings, filtration camps and deliberate bombing of civilian targets and infrastructure to "instill terror" has been overwhelmingly condemned by most nations.

No interference was warranted.

Russia broke 1994 Budapest Memorandum which required the US, UK and the Russian Federation "to respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine," when in 2014, after Putin's puppet Yanukovych was overthrown and fled to Russia, Putin invaded and illegally annexed Crimea and started to stir and support militarily the so-called "separatist" movement, headed and run by your boss Yevgeny Prygozhyn's Wagner Group and former Russian spetsnaz, FSB and GRU personnel, including Colonel Igor "Strelkov" Girkin who took the title of "Minister of Defence of the Donetsk People's Republic" and was responsible for shooting down Malaysia Airline Flight 17( MH17) with 298 people on board.

Ukraine became a cause celebre because NATO tried to turn them out and alienate them from Russia.

Ukraine has been "alienated" from Russia since Russia kept trying to wipe out Ukraine as a sovereign and independent country and subsume Ukraine into, as you have said, its "Oblast" (equivalent of county, region or province) and especially "alienated" since Putin annexed Crimea and started taking over Donbas through actions of so-called "separatists" and Russian military and paramiilitary units.

People of Ukraine explicitly wanted and voted to be in EU. Putin is the one standing in her way, bent on restoring "glorious Russian Federation" along the lines of former Soviet Union.

Russia isn't having it.

And most of the world have had enough of it with Putin's Russia, and again is asking NATO+ for help, because... "military" i.e., MIC.

So now there's war and it will lead to no good.

"will lead to no good" as if it's "good" now? Yes, it's leading up to no good for Putin and for Russia and Russian people... again, because they don't seem to have enough sense to know when to stop.

So... Slava Ukraini! Glory to Ukraine! Glory to MIC, MI6 and MiB!
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#21 | Posted by CutiePie at 2023-02-02 10:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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#7 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-02-02 12:13 AM

Congrats on your retirement, TYFYS.

Also thanks for recommending Wind River and Mayor of Kingstown a while back - I liked Jeremy Renner as an actor and a human being, especially after reading his interview sometime in 2006-2007(?), he did not disappoint.

Like Taylor Sheridan's other works, too. Trying to find time for "1883."
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#22 | Posted by CutiePie at 2023-02-02 10:24 PM | Reply

Ukraine is a core interest?
#13 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER

Ask Putin.

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-02-02 10:29 PM | Reply

"Russia has faced invasion before and has defeated all enemies."

So has Ukraine.

"Russia will remain united under Putin and will again dominate Asia."

I feel like China might take umbrage with that comment.

#24 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-02-02 10:36 PM | Reply

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News and headlines from the front:

Intel Reveals Putin on Thin Ice in Panicked Hunt for Troops - A new intelligence report shows Russia is scrambling for new ways to boost military numbers without kicking off domestic backlash

Russia's Prosecutor General Igor Krasnov Slams 'Significant' War Flops to Putin's Face - among other problems, more than 9,000 reservists were illegally mobilized

Wagner Troops See Rise in Diseases, Infections Due to Poor Hygiene
Wagner Group May Be Slowing Prisoner Recruits, Sidelined From War
Wagner chief Yevgeny Prigozhin overplayed his hand, losing his influence in the Kremlin
Putin may have a plan to "fully supplant" Wagner Group near Bakhmut
Russia may need weeks to recover in Bakhmut as Ukraine "bleeds them white"
Ukraine claims "great losses" for Russia in battle for Bakhmut
Russia targeting Donetsk to divert Ukrainian troops from Bakhmut
Russia's Airborne Forces Lost 50% of Personnel, Ex-Kremlin Official Admits
Russian Air Defense System Tor-M2DT anti-aircraft missile system destroyed, 'burned brightly'
Russian ammo depot obliterated by strike
France, Australia to produce artillery shells for Ukraine
Russian Tanks 'Going to Get Smoked' by U.S. Abrams " Major Richard N. Ojeda

Ukraine making Crimea 'untenable' for Russian forces " retired Lt. General Hodges
Ukraine Official Sets Rough Deadline for Capturing Crimea ("by summer")

Russia Actively Planning New Offensives Despite Huge Losses
Russia Compares Ukraine War to Battle of Stalingrad on 80th Anniversary
Putin has "overestimated" Russia's ability to capture Donetsk by March

Russia's nuclear options dismissed by Duma member Aleksey Zhuravlyov: "It will mean our defeat"
Former Russian commander Igor Girkin pours cold water on Kremlin's threats - "Kremlin's plans were inconsistent with Russian forces' execution in the past"
Putin no longer leading Ukraine effort, Igor Girkin says: "A complete failure"
Russian army headed by "totally incompetent people," ex-Russian VP Alexander Rutskoy warns
Russia's "Marker" combat robot is unlikely to be able to stare down Western-supplied main battle tanks, despite claims from its developer
U.S. is revealing location of Bradley Fighting Vehicles to Russia - to publicly show that Washington's commitment to Ukraine is real

Sergey Lavrov blames America's values, "exceptionalism" as a cause for the war
Sergei Lavrov accuses U.S. of Nord Stream pipeline attack

Putin's Former Speechwriter Predicts Military Coup in Russia - "Anger at SECOND-RATE DICTATOR and the authorities allowing a criminal to walk all over them is growing stronger. The conditions are already there for a full revolt. The longer the war drags on, the clearer its pointlessness becomes" - Abbas Gallyamov, Putin's former speechwriter

Russia Censors Web So 'Bald -----' Search Won't Show Putin

Putin Continues to Use The United Nations in His Favor
Russia abducted 50 high schoolers in Luhansk, report
Russia hammers Kherson to "degrade civilian morale"
Russian Soldiers Who Fled Battle Admit Ukraine War Crimes

U.S. Preparing for Direct Confrontation With Russia in the Arctic

Russian billboards are advertising funeral services for "Cargo 200," a term for those killed in action. -- with all the mobiks "meat waves" Russians are sending out, there are going to be a lot of "meatballs" coming back... Russia has lost close to 150K already, and it's been accelerating with more and newer weapons coming to Ukraine.
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#25 | Posted by CutiePie at 2023-02-03 12:35 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Comrades! Why is it so hard to understand that Russia will decimate the Ukraine and take it over? Talk is cheap, and we don't need a whole litany of explanations to prove a point. That Russia has suffered 150,000 to 200,000 losses is propaganda to raise the hopes of the Ukrainian peoples. That's all it is. Putin just acknowledges about 10,000 losses. Considering what I've had to put up with in this USA capitalist hell hole, I'll believe Putin and Pravda over backwoods USA and Ukraine propaganda. The USA capitalist upper classes are going to take a beating from superior Russian tactics and armaments. Beating = Disgrace!

#26 | Posted by wolfdog at 2023-02-03 09:01 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

@#26 ... Why is it so hard to understand that Russia will decimate the Ukraine and take it over? ...

So... your comment seems to admit that Pres Putin's goal is to destroy, annex and eliminate Ukraine.

So good to see your alias admit that.


#27 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-02-03 09:24 PM | Reply

@#16 ... the war over there is not our business. ...

Why?

Pres Putin launches an unprovoked invasion of a sovereign country for the purpose of annexing and eliminating that country.

Is your comment saying that we should just allow Pres Putin to do whatever his whims tell him to do? Even if his whims include destroying a sovereign country?

Is that what your comment is asserting?

Really, you do need to try harder. Or, maybe, call in one of your back-up aliases. :)

#28 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-02-03 09:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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#26 | Posted by wolfdog at 2023-02-03 09:01 PM
I'll believe Putin and Pravda over backwoods USA and Ukraine propaganda.

Well, there is your problem.

Putin just acknowledges about 10,000 losses.

Here's your sign! (h/t Bill Engvall)

The USA capitalist upper classes are going to take a beating from superior Russian tactics and armaments.

Hasn't been so good so far. And not even Comrades Putin, Lavrov and Medvedev believe any "superiority of Russian tactics and armaments" or they wouldn't be screaming and "warning" (about "nukes and supersonics") every time the US and NATO send some 20-30-40+ year old tech - that was sitting in the warehouses and that we no longer needed and spend money and people to maintain - to Ukraine to kill your Orcs and take back Crimea and Donbass. And after Putin and the Russian "Federation" will be gone, they'll be used to free Transnistria and Belarus of Russian "separatists" and puppets like Lukashenko.

Are you done with your quota of posts for the day? Sweet dreams, then.
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#29 | Posted by CutiePie at 2023-02-03 10:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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