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Thursday, February 02, 2023

The father of one of the two men shot and killed by Kyle Rittenhouse can proceed with a wrongful death lawsuit, a federal judge ruled. Rittenhouse faced criminal charges for the 2020 killing and was acquitted.

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*insert fake crying meme here*

#1 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2023-02-02 08:42 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

The little murderer has the balls to post bible quotes on twitter now.

#2 | Posted by Nixon at 2023-02-02 09:24 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

It's little OJ.

#3 | Posted by Sycophant at 2023-02-02 10:43 AM | Reply

Which one was the dick head who thought it was a good idea to chase after a guy he knew had a gun and attack him when he was on the ground?

#4 | Posted by Tor at 2023-02-02 10:58 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This is the dad of the one who thought it was a good idea to chase a guy armed with an AR-15, hit him with a skateboard and try to grab the gun.

#5 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2023-02-02 11:21 AM | Reply

Never bring an gun to a skateboard fight.

#6 | Posted by HanoverFist at 2023-02-02 12:23 PM | Reply

I'm confident that Kyle's new pals on the far, far right will help with any legal fees and settlement, right? Right?

#7 | Posted by catdog at 2023-02-02 01:02 PM | Reply

What has always bothered me the most about Rittenhouse has been his refusal to acknowledge the role his decisions and his behaviors played in the events leading up him being chased and then firing the gun. He did NOT have clean hands in terms of the big picture of what occurred.

#8 | Posted by moder8 at 2023-02-02 01:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Which one was the dick head who thought it was a good idea to chase after a guy he knew had a gun and attack him when he was on the ground?
#4 | POSTED BY TOR

I'm sorry you're such a ----- that you wouldn't do what you could to try to stop an armed assailant, but Huber was a better person than you.

#9 | Posted by JOE at 2023-02-02 02:05 PM | Reply

Two things will make a wrongful death lawsuit payout difficult.
1. The acquittal.
2. The film of the event.

#10 | Posted by visitor_ at 2023-02-02 02:15 PM | Reply

Righty incels swooned after seeing footage of Killer Kyle punching a girl.

www.dailymail.co.uk

#11 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2023-02-02 02:43 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Can you name the person rrittenhouse had attacked when he was assaulted with a skateboard? Or does that person not exist?

#12 | Posted by Tor at 2023-02-02 02:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"This is the dad of the one who thought it was a good idea to chase a guy armed with an AR-15, hit him with a skateboard and try to grab the gun."

#5 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

There's a guy in Alhambra who didn't even need a skateboard, chum.

#13 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2023-02-02 03:03 PM | Reply

FindOut = K * FA.

#14 | Posted by visitor_ at 2023-02-02 03:28 PM | Reply

Is Killer Kyle still crying because Biden won't return his calls?

#15 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2023-02-02 04:04 PM | Reply

Two things will make a wrongful death lawsuit payout difficult.
1. The acquittal.

Criminal prosecution has a far higher evidentiary standard than a wrongful death suit. Many courts will even prevent defendants' the counsel from even mentioning an acquittal in front of the jury due to its tendency to confuse rather than offer probative value.

#16 | Posted by JOE at 2023-02-02 04:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Can you name the person rrittenhouse had attacked when he was assaulted with a skateboard? Or does that person not exist?
#12 | POSTED BY TOR

I could name the unarmed person he shot and killed while the fat manlet was cosplaying as a militia member, but your nose is so far up his ass that it wouldn't make a difference.

#17 | Posted by JOE at 2023-02-02 04:58 PM | Reply

Was that the one who thought was a good idea to Chase Kyle through the streets? Ask any cop if you see a weirdo with a gun their advice is don't confuse yourself with Batman call the cops and keep an eye on them from a safe distance.

#18 | Posted by Tor at 2023-02-02 05:00 PM | Reply

#18 The cops didn't care about ------- Kyle and his gun, moron.

#19 | Posted by JOE at 2023-02-02 05:33 PM | Reply

You make a habit of attacking strangers with visible guns on them?

congrats your not only bad as riddenhouse but worse.

#20 | Posted by Tor at 2023-02-02 05:35 PM | Reply

I said it would be difficult but not impossible.

The fact that Rittenhouse was fully exonerated will be hard to keep from the jury as will the film of the shooting which also exonerates him. Self defense is a right. Swinging a skateboard at someone's head is assault with deadly weapon. He killed someone that was attempting to murder him. This lawsuit is frivolous.

#21 | Posted by visitor_ at 2023-02-02 07:37 PM | Reply

"The fact that Rittenhouse was fully exonerated will be hard to keep from the jury as will the film of the shooting which also exonerates him."

^
OJ tells a different story.
I'm not saying this story will be different, but any reasonable person can see that Kyle Rittenhouse went looking for trouble that night.

#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-02-02 07:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Both were looking for trouble so that cancels out.

#23 | Posted by visitor_ at 2023-02-02 08:26 PM | Reply

I said it would be difficult but not impossible.

No, you said it would be "made" difficult by something that specifically does not make it more difficult. Why lie? It's right there dude. Just admit you're stupid.

#24 | Posted by JOE at 2023-02-02 09:14 PM | Reply

Both were looking for trouble so that cancels out.

#25 | Posted by JOE at 2023-02-02 09:18 PM | Reply

That is one tiny semantic difference without any measurable distinction.

The presence would make it easier, its lack means it harder.

#26 | Posted by visitor_ at 2023-02-03 12:22 AM | Reply

Ryan Balch says on a video taken Aug. 25 that police in Kenosha, Wisconsin, told him they planned to herd the crowd protesting police violence toward the armed civilians.

A militia member patrolling the streets of Kenosha, Wisconsin, on Aug. 25 claimed that police on the scene told him they planned to herd demonstrators toward the armed men " and then leave.
www.minnpost.com

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-02-03 12:33 AM | Reply

The fact that Rittenhouse was fully exonerated will be hard to keep from the jury as will the film of the shooting which also exonerates him. Self defense is a right. Swinging a skateboard at someone's head is assault with deadly weapon. He killed someone that was attempting to murder him. This lawsuit is frivolous.

#21 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

He wasn't exonerated.

Ask OJ how much winning the criminal case means in Civil cases.

#28 | Posted by Sycophant at 2023-02-03 09:26 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

OJ wasn't filmed defending himself being attacked by Ron and Nicole wielding a skateboard.

I'd explain it to you, but then Joe wouldn't understand and I'd have to explain it to him using words he could understand. Not enough bits in the internet for that.

#29 | Posted by visitor_ at 2023-02-03 09:34 AM | Reply

Just remember that the gun is never to blame.

Bringing lethal weapons to a riot is a true American tradition,and a cherished way of life.

Sitzfool.

#30 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2023-02-03 09:58 AM | Reply

The presence would make it easier, its lack means it harder.
#26 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

You have no clue how any of this works. Stay in your lane, short bus.

#31 | Posted by JOE at 2023-02-03 10:01 AM | Reply

"You make a habit of attacking strangers with visible guns on them? congrats your not only bad as riddenhouse but worse."

United Airlines Flight 93 passengers are rolling in their graves.

#32 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2023-02-03 10:06 AM | Reply

The reason this will result in a settlement is the police department do not want discovery of the fact that they were hoping to turn the protest into a John Kerry Tossing His Medals Over The White House Fence "Free Fire Zone" like in Vietnam.

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-02-03 10:13 AM | Reply

Joe, I'd try to explain it to you again but maybe it would be better if you spoke to one of the smarter lawyers in your law office. Which is probably all of them.

#34 | Posted by visitor_ at 2023-02-03 10:15 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#33 I was thinking the same thing. Several police departments are now going to face discovery requests for all of their pro-militia correspondence, which they are not going to want made public. --------- Kyle better up his grifting game if he wants in on the settlement because he can't just gouge taxpayers to fund it.

#35 | Posted by JOE at 2023-02-03 10:17 AM | Reply

#34 I already explained it to you and then you lied about what you posted, so why not just pull a Bellringer and disappear from the thread already you ------- moron.

#36 | Posted by JOE at 2023-02-03 10:18 AM | Reply

The headline ought to mention the lawsuit is against both Rittenhouse and the Police Department.

But don't worry, Second Amendment enthusiasts -- reliable, Republican sources tell me Collusion Is Not A Crime!

#37 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-02-03 10:19 AM | Reply

Bringing lethal weapons to a riot is a true American tradition,and a cherished way of life.
Sitzfool.

#30 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER AT 2023-02-03 09:58 AM | FLAG:

Thank you for thinking of me.

You are correct. The dead ------- that brought the pistol should have stayed at home, like Rittenhouse.

#38 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2023-02-03 10:24 AM | Reply

Oh wait, they guy lived right? He's just doing 1 handed claps.

Like I said when this happened, white people, dont let your kids grow up to be roof koreans. Also, don't let your kids chase armed roof koreans through the streets and attack them. You'll probably die.

#39 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2023-02-03 10:25 AM | Reply

OJ wasn't filmed defending himself being attacked by Ron and Nicole wielding a skateboard.
I'd explain it to you, but then Joe wouldn't understand and I'd have to explain it to him using words he could understand. Not enough bits in the internet for that.

#29 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

You said he was legally exonerated.

Then you pivot to video evidence.

Those two are not the same. You are a liar.

What year did you get your law degree?

#40 | Posted by Sycophant at 2023-02-03 10:44 AM | Reply

Joe, since you fail to grasp the concept based on the reality of the situation, I will use an analogy to explain. Analogies are always imperfect and I doubt you will understand this one but in this case it will help others visualize how stupid you are.

First of all the comment you could not grasp, despite your belief otherwise. I fully stand by it.

Imagine you need to drive a nail 51% of the way into a piece of wood.
Now imagine two scenarios:
1 Someone has already driven the nail 99% into the wood. They've already done all of the work.
2 Someone has attempted to drive the nail and failed. So you must start over.

Which situation is more difficult? (It's not 1)

You cannot possibly believe that if Rittenhouse had been convicted a civil case would be difficult to win do you?

Cheer up Joe, not every lawyer can be a Perry Mason. Even though you're at the bottom of the class, you're still a lawyer.

#41 | Posted by visitor_ at 2023-02-03 10:51 AM | Reply

Sychophant, You lie. I did not say he was "legally exonerated". I said "fully exonerated".

Is exonerated even a legal term? I wish there was a competent lawyer we could pose that question to.

#42 | Posted by visitor_ at 2023-02-03 10:57 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

ChatGPT says...

Is exonerated a legal term?

Yes, exonerated is a legal term. It means to clear or absolve someone from blame or guilt.

#43 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2023-02-03 11:04 AM | Reply

You cannot possibly believe that if Rittenhouse had been convicted a civil case would be difficult to win do you?

No, because that's the reverse of this scenario. A criminal conviction requires guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, which is essentially 100% proof. A civil judgment merely requires a preponderance of the evidence, or 50.1%. And that's even granting you that the elements established in each case are identical, which they aren't.

In this case, the only thing that has occurred is a failure to get to 100%. That is not at all a barrier to getting to 50.1%, and in many courtrooms the defendants' counsel is precluded from even mentioning the failure to get to 100%.

Now shut the ---- up.

#44 | Posted by JOE at 2023-02-03 11:06 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Joe, I'm glad you finally saw the light and agree with me and we can put this to rest. It was big of you to admit your error.

#45 | Posted by visitor_ at 2023-02-03 11:12 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

I don't agree with you at all, short bus. Failure to get to 100% will not "make it more difficult" to get to 50.1%, as you claimed in #10. Now stop lying.

#46 | Posted by JOE at 2023-02-03 11:20 AM | Reply

Counselor, I did not say "more difficult".

Is it still your point that the criminal acquittal will have no bearing on the civil suit?

#47 | Posted by visitor_ at 2023-02-03 11:26 AM | Reply

You said the acquittal will make the wrongful death case difficult. Stop pretending you didn't say that. It isn't true. Go read something about this, --------.

#48 | Posted by JOE at 2023-02-03 11:40 AM | Reply

Yes. I did say that. Did you know that 'difficult' is an antonym for 'easy'? Now replace 'aquittal' with 'conviction' and 'difficult' with 'easy'.

Two things will make a wrongful death lawsuit payout difficult.
1. The acquittal.

#49 | Posted by visitor_ at 2023-02-03 12:04 PM | Reply

Did you know that no matter how many times you repeat or revise that post, it will still be wrong?

#50 | Posted by JOE at 2023-02-03 12:16 PM | Reply

I consider the legal education you provide here to be worth every penny paid.

#51 | Posted by visitor_ at 2023-02-03 12:30 PM | Reply

#50 And yet you still failed to prove otherwise.

#52 | Posted by visitor_ at 2023-02-03 12:31 PM | Reply

Evidence of acquittal in a criminal action is generally irrelevant and inadmissible in a civil case involving the same incident since it constitutes a negative sort of conclusion lodged in a finding of failure of the prosecution to sustain the burden of proof beyond a reasonable doubt."
Estate of Moreland v. Dieter, 395 F.3d 747 (7th Cir. 2005).

"The general rule is that evidence of a prior acquittal in a criminal case is inadmissible in a civil case in which the conduct underlying the criminal charge is at issue."
Florida Institute for Neurologic Rehabilitation, Inc. v. Marshall, 943 So.2d 976 (2006).

"[T]he fact of acquittal in a prior court proceeding involving similar subject matter is usually not admitted into evidence ... That is because such acquittals are not generally probative of the defendant's innocence in the case at trial and the information has a tendency to confuse the jury rather than assist it."
U.S. v. Bisanti, 414 F.3d 168 (1st Cir. 2005).

"[E]vidence of a prior acquittal is not relevant because it does not prove innocence but rather merely indicates that the prior prosecution failed to meet its burden of proving beyond a reasonable doubt at least one element of the crime ... such evidence was properly excludable because in this instance its probative value was substantially outweighed by the danger of unfair prejudice, confusion of the issues, or misleading the jury."
U.S. v. Kerley, 643 F.2d 299 (5th Cir. 1981).

Swallow it.

#53 | Posted by JOE at 2023-02-03 12:32 PM | Reply

Here's where you continue to proudly flaunt your ignorance. Let's see it.

#54 | Posted by JOE at 2023-02-03 12:35 PM | Reply

"United Airlines Flight 93 passengers are rolling in their graves."

Being obtuse doesn't prove you intelligent it proves you a coward.

#55 | Posted by Tor at 2023-02-03 12:43 PM | Reply

@#21 ... The fact that Rittenhouse was fully exonerated will be hard to keep from the jury as will the film of the shooting which also exonerates him. Self defense is a right. Swinging a skateboard at someone's head is assault with deadly weapon. He killed someone that was attempting to murder him. This lawsuit is frivolous. ...

Your comment is arguing against something that is not in this lawsuit.

According to the cited article, the lawsuit is about...

...The father of Anthony Huber, one of two men shot and killed by Rittenhouse, filed the lawsuit in 2021, accusing officers of allowing for a dangerous situation that violated his son's constitutional rights and resulted in his death.

Anthony Huber's father, John Huber, also alleged that Rittenhouse, who was 17 at the time of the shootings, conspired with law enforcement to cause harm to protestors. John Huber is seeking unspecified damages from city officials, officers and Rittenhouse. ...




#56 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-02-03 12:49 PM | Reply

I never disputed your comment #16 which your citations back up.

#57 | Posted by visitor_ at 2023-02-03 12:51 PM | Reply

Uh huh.

#58 | Posted by JOE at 2023-02-03 12:55 PM | Reply

Both were looking for trouble so that cancels out.

#23 | Posted by visitor_

An assault rifle cancels out a skateboard?

#59 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2023-02-03 02:39 PM | Reply

"Both were looking for trouble so that cancels out."

What were the police looking for, when they pushed the Protesters towards them Well-Regulated Militia?

#60 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-02-03 02:52 PM | Reply

An assault rifle cancels out a skateboard?

Rightwingers worship at the altar of gun violence so the answer of Kyle's ballgarglers is an emphatic "yes."

#61 | Posted by JOE at 2023-02-03 03:00 PM | Reply

It's very telling that some people here blame the victim as "provoking" the attack, especially when the victims are underage boys. Not the first time it's happed on this site, and I'm sure it won't be the last.

#62 | Posted by sentinel at 2023-02-03 06:38 PM | Reply

@#62 ... It's very telling that some people here blame the victim as "provoking" the attack, especially when the victims are underage boys. ...

The problem with your comment is that the lawsuit in question is not about that. I could say something similar about some deflections attempts that attempt to draw the discussion away from the thread's topic.

So....

Why not comment upon the lawsuit in question?

(see #56 for the arguments of the lawsuit in question)



#63 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-02-03 07:05 PM | Reply

"Why not comment upon the lawsuit in question?"

You're obviously not holding everyone in this thread to that standard.

#64 | Posted by sentinel at 2023-02-03 07:12 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Oh look, a swastika!

#65 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2023-02-03 09:23 PM | Reply

Kyle Rittenhouse theme song m.youtube.com

#66 | Posted by THEBULL at 2023-02-04 01:55 AM | Reply

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