"For a country that won a World War against the Nazis, modern-day America has some very strange hangups about "anti-fascism" " as though being antifa were a bad thing."

Being antifa...that's a bad thing.

When I was a kid in Portland, we had Neo-Nazis and SHARPs all running around fighting each other. Truth be told, the SHARPs (read: Black Bloc/Antifa) were just as much -------- as the white supremacists.

Some people are just born broken. And they become extremists. All of the people Kyle Rittenhouse tangled with 25 August 2020 had extensive criminal records. They were left-wing extremists, but I think that's because it was the left that got to them first. Had they by chance had a run-in with right-wing extremists, they might have joined Rittenhouse, or maybe stormed the Capital building with team Trump a few months later.

"My great aunts (a pair of WACs), and my dad (ground crew chief of a bomb squad), both members of Antifa, would strongly disagree."

No. Had your great aunts and father been antifa, they would have sat the war out. Unless they chose to go to Russia and join their fellow communists on the eastern front.

Communists may have been a useful ally, but the US has never really wanted any part of left-wing extremism.

It's not the being against fascists that's the problem. It's that they use the cover of anti-fascism to promote their own, equally extreme agenda.

I despise fascists. But I also despise Antifa. I see them as being little different from each other.

#7

Super interesting. I would have liked to have seen more Portland stuff. Maybe see what happened to those SHARPs there who were such -------- back then.

I wonder how antifa today would take it if some of these elder statesmen went and told them to quit ------- up. If they would listen, or just ignore them as reactionary bourgeoise who didn't truly understand the struggle.

"Fascists are just like anti-Fascists."

Mmmm...more like Nazi Skinheads are just like antifa.

I would challenge you to point me to anyone who truly supports fascism. I think you're most likely to fit that description.

"Poor Americans should just thank the 1 Percenters they aren't living in Somalia."

Or, just vote for the party that will confiscate the wealth from those who have it and redistribute it amongst the "deserving" population. Maybe stick those 1%ers in camps? Build a gas chamber or two.

You're literally following the National Socialist bible. Create an enemy. Dehumanize them. Take what you want from them.

And kill them if they give you any trouble.

Did you ever watch the Amazon Prime series "The Hunters?" The scene where they are describing how the Nazis went after the Jews sounds little different than Bernie Sanders arguments in why the US should go after high income earners.

"Alas, some people are incapable of learning after decades of rwing indoctrination."

If Rwing indoctrination is resisting the trend to find excuses to create an enemy to justify their crucifixion...then we need more of that.

The closest thing you'll likely ever see to a fascist is the face you see when you look in the mirror. And just like the National Socialists, you feel more than justified in your position. Don'tcha.

"You're such a perv when it comes to actual history."

You're such a perv when it comes to actual history.

Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei

Translation: National Socialist German Workers Party.

Which part of this do you want to argue?

"Who plans to spend the rest of his life in Welfare State Germany with its VAT, Socialized Medicine, and $8/gal gas."

So...under the terms of my contract, I don't pay VAT. I have Cigna Worldwide healthcare in addition to the VA stuff (It's supposed to be super baller healthcare - Germany does have very good private hospitals). And I don't pay German taxes. I pay US taxes, but only on taxable income over $118K per year.

#22

Can you please tell me the name, either in OV or translation, of the party that ruled Germany during WWII?

"Is it the least bit surprising that the AtomWaffen reject has it in for antifa?"

Yeah.

Because you are either a supporter of the revolution, or you are a reactionary, bourgeoise pig. There is no in-between.

Your sentiments would make Comrade Stalin proud.

"There's nothing to argue."

Nazi?

What's a Nazi?

I think that is a term found in the west. Maybe just the US.

Can you tell me what it stands for?

#30

You're going to let Soviet Socialists lecture you on National Socialists?

Why can't you just admit they were both vile?

"Go ask a German."

Why don't upi?

Are you going to be butthurt when they bring up the atrocities of the National Socialist German Workers Party.

Are you going to get your panties in a wad because it might tarnish the term "socialism?"

God forbid the truth be known....

I never cease to be amazed at how progressive want to rewrite history in order to erase the National Socialist German Workers Party.

Comrade Stalin would be proud.

What's even more precious is the effort to spin capitalism as socialism. Love me some of that...

"Who are you going to let lecture you on National Socialists?"

I mean, if I were to get a lecture on National Socialism...probably it would be best come from National Socialists...no?

"Among their many accomplishments, they tricked the dim-witted into believing Nazis are Socialist."

Yeah. That's probably true.

The only real socialists were the Soviet Socialists...

#42

So...the National Socialists were on the far right...where do scholars place their cousins Soviet Socialists?

Just curious?

"MadBomber keeps telling us they're Socialists."

Socialism is an economic system. Most far right groups advocate for significant government control. In fact you're as likely to find anti-capitalists on the far right as you are on the far left.

"It's certainly true in your case!"

As is anyone who thinks that 'Democratic Socialists' are actually socialist.

"Mudbummer is a complete douche. Get yerself a Swastika tattoo, -------."

Reactionary Fascist Bourgeoise douche.

You forgot the most important parts...

"I learned this in Economics 101 at UWM about 30 years ago."

University of Western Moscow? Western Minsk maybe? Western Murmasnk? I hear it gets cold in the high north.

"World War II was started in order to bring us out of the failed economy of the Great Depression."

That was thoughtful of Germany and Japan to do that for us. To think we went on to bomb the ---- out of them for thier efforts.

"Full socialism advocates for government control of business."

That's not true.

Socialism is a system where the workers own the means of production. The clear examples where it has been imposed on a society (the best example come from Chile in the 1970s) show it to have been an abysmal failure. Which is why, in practice, those countries that called themselves socialist were not. The state 'owned' and operated the businesses on their behalf. I don't know that there is a term for a system where a government owned everything by design.

"Right wing fascism advocates for religious and corporate or autocratic control of government (crony-capitalism in more modern terms)."

That's not true either. The first fascist party was formed by Benito Mussolini as an offshoot of the Italian socialist party, who questioned why socialism must be an international movement (as directed by the Soviets and their supporters), rather than a nationalist movement. In fact the term 'fascist' comes from the symbol they used, the fasces. It is a bundle of sticks hold together. Symbolically, it stood for the strength of the whole (the state) being stronger than a collection of individuals alone. Fascism viewed the state as an extension of the people, and it was the role of government to serve the best interests of the state. And all organizations within a state existed at the pleasure of the government, provided that they contributed to the needs of the state. Business operated not so much as crony capitalists favored by politicianas, but rather as licensed businesses whose efforts contributed the state goals. Those organizations that did not contribute to the state would not be legally permitted to operate.

"American democratic socialists, and liberals in general (the left as you so vilify us)"

I don't vilify liberals. I am one.

One of the very few.

"Meaning all of us."

That sounds quite fascist...