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Friday, February 03, 2023

Employers added a booming 517,000 jobs in January as hiring unexpectedly surged despite high inflation, rising interest rates and the prospect of a weakening economy.

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People being laid off en-mass isn't the sign of a good economy. As was mentioned in the article, right now they have severance to live on, that won't last. Just like the pandemic subsidies didn't last. The article tries to have you believe that the workers got an increase in pay but most of that is likely from one of two causes. Either increases in pay because of inflation or the Great Resignation actually finding a better paying job. What's not listed in the article is how many of those jobs are part time at minimum wage in the increase.

Because of inflation, many are finding their wages just aren't going far enough. They are taking on second jobs to make ends meet. Again, not the sign of a good economy. Look around at what you see locally, that's a better sign of how things are going than government figures that usually stretch the facts to make things look more rosy than they are.

#1 | Posted by BBQ at 2023-02-03 10:13 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"The unemployment rate fell from 3.5% to 3.4%"

I feel attacked and threated by this number.
Like Dark Brandon is personally coming for me to pin a McDonald's nametag on my shirt.

#2 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-02-03 10:17 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Look around at what you see locally, that's a better sign of how things are going than government figures that usually stretch the facts to make things look more rosy than they are.

#1 | POSTED BY BBQ

Then things are going brilliantly.

My local hack, fascist GOP Representative is always in the business of convincing me to trust him on the economy and not my lying eyes.

Dark Brandon is doing a good job. Not a perfect one. But if it were perfect then my hack, fascist GOP Representative would just find something else to lie about.

#3 | Posted by Zed at 2023-02-03 10:43 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Thanks President Biden.

#4 | Posted by Sycophant at 2023-02-03 10:45 AM | Reply

Good news = Bad
Bad news = I told you so

#5 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2023-02-03 11:31 AM | Reply

I'm sure there will be at lease ONE segment today from Fox, Newsmax, or OAN with the theme Unemployment is now at 3.4%; Here's why that proves Biden is a disaster.

#6 | Posted by Danforth at 2023-02-03 11:36 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#1 ... People being laid off en-mass isn't the sign of a good economy. ...

So far, the most significant layoffs have been in the tech sector.

For example, non-manufacturing also had a good month, even though it was not one of the headline numbers today...

U.S. ISM Non-Manufacturing Purchasing Managers Index
www.investing.com

...
Latest Release Feb 03, 2023
Actual 55.2
Forecast 50.4
Previous 49.2

The Institute of Supply Management (ISM) Non-Manufacturing Purchasing Managers' Index (PMI) (also known as the ISM Services PMI) report on Business, a composite index is calculated as an indicator of the overall economic condition for the non-manufacturing sector. The NMI is a composite index based on the diffusion indexes for four of the indicators with equal weights: Business Activity (seasonally adjusted), New Orders (seasonally adjusted), Employment (seasonally adjusted) and Supplier Deliveries.

A reading above 50 percent indicates the non-manufacturing sector economy is generally expanding; below 50 percent indicates the non-manufacturing sector is generally contracting....


#7 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-02-03 11:56 AM | Reply


US Black Unemployment Matches Record Low in Robust Job Market
www.investing.com

...The unemployment rate for Black Americans in January dropped to match a record low, as the labor market's surprise strength benefited a broad swathe of workers.

Last month's rate fell to 5.4%, the same rate reached in September of 2019, which was the lowest in data stretching back to the early 1970s, according to a Labor Department released Friday. That was down from 5.7% in December.

The data showed that more Black Americans entered the labor force and became employed. Still, the January rate is 2 percentage points above that of the overall population and remains the highest among the race groups tracked by the government.

The January report displayed widespread employment and labor force growth. ...


#8 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-02-03 11:59 AM | Reply

Trump to leave office with the worst jobs record since Herbert Hoover

fortune.com

LOL

#9 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2023-02-03 12:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"So far, the most significant layoffs have been in the tech sector."

Learn To Code sure didn't have a long run, did it?

#10 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-02-03 12:09 PM | Reply

@#10 ... Learn To Code sure didn't have a long run, did it? ...

From what I've heard, anecdotally, is that the laid-off software people are being scooped up by automotive companies.

See:

Edmunds: The Pros and Cons of Software Running Your Car
drudge.com


#11 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-02-03 12:16 PM | Reply

Another view...

Services PMI at 55.2%; January 2023 Services ISM Report On Business
www.prnewswire.com

...Business Activity Index at 60.4%; New Orders Index at 60.4%; Employment Index at 50%; Supplier Deliveries Index at 50%


Economic activity in the services sector grew in January after contracting in December following 30 consecutive months of growth, with the Services PMI registering 55.2 percent, say the nation's purchasing and supply executives in the latest Services ISM Report On Business.

The report was issued today by Anthony Nieves, CPSM, C.P.M., A.P.P., CFPM, Chair of the Institute for Supply Management (ISM) Services Business Survey Committee: "In January, the Services PMI registered 55.2 percent, 6 percentage points higher than December's seasonally adjusted reading of 49.2 percent. The composite index grew in January after contracting in December for the first time since May 2020, when it registered 45.4 percent (seasonally adjusted). The Business Activity Index registered 60.4 percent, a 6.9-percentage point increase compared to the seasonally adjusted reading of 53.5 percent in December. The New Orders Index grew in January after contracting in December for the first time since May 2020; the figure of 60.4 percent is 15.2 percentage points higher than the seasonally adjusted December reading of 45.2 percent.

"The Supplier Deliveries registered 50 percent in January, indicating unchanged performance. The index registered 1.5 percentage points higher than the 48.5 percent reported in December. (Supplier Deliveries is the only ISM Report On Business index that is inversed; a reading of above 50 percent indicates slower deliveries, which is typical as the economy improves and customer demand increases.)

"The Prices Index was down 0.3 percentage point in January, to 67.8 percent. The Inventories Index contracted for the eighth consecutive month; the reading of 49.2 percent is up 4.1 percentage points from December's figure of 45.1 percent. The Inventory Sentiment Index (55.8 percent, down 0.1 percentage point from December's reading of 55.9 percent) expanded for the second consecutive month after four straight months in contraction.

"Ten industries reported growth in January, according to the Services PMI, which was in expansion territory after a single month of contraction and the prior 30-month period of growth. The composite index has indicated expansion for all but three of the previous 155 months."...

The 10 services industries reporting growth in January -- listed in order -- are: Agriculture, Forestry, Fishing & Hunting; Utilities; Other Services; Management of Companies & Support Services; Public Administration; Educational Services; Accommodation & Food Services; Real Estate, Rental & Leasing; Health Care & Social Assistance; and Professional, Scientific & Technical Services. The eight industries reporting a decrease in the month of January " listed in order " are: Transportation & Warehousing; Retail Trade; Arts, Entertainment & Recreation; Mining; Construction; Information; Finance & Insurance; and Wholesale Trade....


#12 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-02-03 12:19 PM | Reply

DR Conservatives seem to be missing from this thread.

#13 | Posted by Sycophant at 2023-02-03 12:44 PM | Reply

Another overview...

America's mind-blowing labor market
www.axios.com

I will also want to add my usual... do not look at just one month, but the rolling three-month avergaes. While the rolling three-month average does tend to temper this month's results, the labor market still looks good with that average.


#14 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-02-03 01:07 PM | Reply

"Because despite the massive revisions, what the BLS forgot to fix was the distribution between full time and part-time workers.

... the number of full-time workers in March 2022 was 132.587 million. Fast forward to January 2023 when it was 132.577: that's right: total US full-time workers declined by 10K over a period of 10 months. Meanwhile, part-time workers soared from 25.908 million to 27.400 million, an increase of 1.492 million!"

www.zerohedge.com

___________________________________________
When figures are too good to believed, sometimes it pays to back up and look again. The BLS has not been known to be the paragon of facts but rather the stretching of figures to make things not look as bad as they are.

#15 | Posted by BBQ at 2023-02-03 02:14 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

@#15 ... ... the number of full-time workers in March 2022 was 132.587 million. Fast forward to January 2023 when it was 132.577: that's right: total US full-time workers declined by 10K over a period of 10 months. Meanwhile, part-time workers soared from 25.908 million to 27.400 million, an increase of 1.492 million!" ...

That is year over year data, pulling in most of 2022, which did have problems, for the comparison.

Yeah, there was an increase in part-time workers in this month's report. I remember Bloomberg's talking heads noting it this morning. They also noted an increase in consumer credit card debt.

From the article in #15

...This is what Bloomberg chief economist Anna Wong put it: "The January jobs report showed extremely robust growth, higher than the highest estimate in the Bloomberg survey. If it seems too good to be true, that's because it is too good to be true -- the gain is mostly due to seasonal factors and revisions to past data. The Fed likely won't place too much weight on this report in formulating policy."...

And that is why I tend towards looking towards the rolling three-month average.



#16 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-02-03 02:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

As a corollary...

This month's jobs report does not make Chmn Powell's job in controlling inflation any easier. The 3.4% unemployment rate is among the lowest peacetime unemployment rate, according to a couple of talking heads on Bloomberg. They cited the Vietnam War period as another time it was this low...


#17 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-02-03 02:49 PM | Reply

"When figures are too good to believed, sometimes it pays to back up and look again. The BLS has not been known to be the paragon of facts but rather the stretching of figures to make things not look as bad as they are.
#15 | POSTED BY BBQ AT 2023-02-03 02:14 PM"

Of course, as in most situations, one should be wary if it's "too good to be true". One can often question the accuracy of a measuring device. That's why one should be aware of how the BLS makes their calculations to avoid leaping to unsupportable conclusions. With enough awareness, there's little reason to disparage the quality of the BLS reports.

It's not surprising that there's been a large increase in part-time workers for several reasons: students having to work while attending schools due to increased education costs, retirees re-entering the work force to supplement their meager retirement income, employers purposely limiting available work hours to avoid being required to pay full-time benefits (to name a few obvious ones).

Meanwhile, the number of full-time employed people has returned to pre-pandemic levels (and then some).

www.statista.com

Serious question BBQ:
What metric(s) are you using to determine the BLS is "... stretching of figures to make things not look as bad as they are."?

#18 | Posted by TrueBlue at 2023-02-03 03:00 PM | Reply

Guess we're going to have to burn it all down, because not-liberals everywhere will insist that this is bad news for Democrats. For my entire life, I've argued with incredibly stupid people on the right about their measurable, provable failures and uninformed loyalty to right wing economic principles. I'm tired of doing that. The party of "fiscal responsibility" has never been the Republican Party, and it never will be.

Thanks, Dark Brandon!

#19 | Posted by chuffy at 2023-02-03 04:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

And not a single rightwinger has posted on this thread. LOL

#20 | Posted by moder8 at 2023-02-03 04:27 PM | Reply

Sorry, but www.zerohedge.com is pure garbage and a constant barrage of lies.

#21 | Posted by YAV at 2023-02-03 04:32 PM | Reply

Talking points will come out soon. Likely about people giving up looking for work not counting. That was always a popular concept.

#22 | Posted by REDIAL at 2023-02-03 04:32 PM | Reply

"And not a single rightwinger has posted on this thread."

They're having a----------- over Omar.

#23 | Posted by Angrydad at 2023-02-03 04:37 PM | Reply

Washington (AP) -- U.S. intelligence officials on Tuesday accused a conservative financial news website with a significant American readership of amplifying Kremlin propaganda and alleged five media outlets targeting Ukrainians have taken direction from Russian spies.

The officials said Zero Hedge, which has 1.2 million Twitter followers, published articles created by Moscow-controlled media that were then shared by outlets and people unaware of their nexus to Russian intelligence. The officials did not say whether they thought Zero Hedge knew of any links to spy agencies and did not allege direct links between the website and Russia.

Zerohedge rating:
Bias Rating: RIGHT CONSPIRACY/PSEUDOSCIENCE
Factual Reporting: LOW
Country: Bulgaria
Press Freedom Rating: LIMITED FREEDOM
Media Type: Website
Traffic/Popularity: High Traffic
MBFC Credibility Rating: LOW CREDIBILITY

Conclusion: "conservative" = Zerohedge = Russian propaganda = not believable.

www.bloomberg.com
mediabiasfactcheck.com

#24 | Posted by YAV at 2023-02-03 04:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#1 | Posted by BBQ

Tech blew up during the height of the pandemic. Layoffs are primarily at tech companies.

Be honest.

#25 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2023-02-03 04:52 PM | Reply

Meanwhile restaurants everywhere have "Help Wanted" signs in their windows. BBQ must live in Mississippi.

#26 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2023-02-03 05:26 PM | Reply

I mostly like BBQ's posts, so I was surprised to see a zerohedge posting. I've chased down way too many false pieces of information from that site to believe anything they say.

#27 | Posted by YAV at 2023-02-03 06:09 PM | Reply

My company manufactures consumable products for manufacturing. Business is the best it has been since early 2020. It wasn't a record month but a very good one and we have seen ramping orders the last 6 months. Orders outpaced delivery again too. When our sales slow it is sign that manufacturing companies are cutting production - then I get worried. I am not worried.

#28 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2023-02-03 07:54 PM | Reply

@#27 ... I was surprised to see a zerohedge posting. I've chased down way too many false pieces of information from that site to believe anything they say. ...

Yeah, but...

Sometimes zerohedge gets something right. Is it just chance that they stumble upon something insightful? I do not know.

But yeah, my view of zerohedge is that it is a site that cherry-picks data for the purpose of saying ~... see we were right when we said this...~

#29 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-02-03 08:21 PM | Reply

Well...we of the Left told you so comrades! There have been so many tax breaks for the USA rich that it is indeed "Trickle-Down" for the working class. It should be interesting to see what programs are going to be cut now that the USA is over $31 trillion in debt. Who can afford to buy a BigMac?

#30 | Posted by wolfdog at 2023-02-04 11:22 AM | Reply

Zero Hedge.

Russian garbage?

Never would have guessed that LOL

#31 | Posted by jpw at 2023-02-04 06:09 PM | Reply

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