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Wednesday, February 08, 2023

Kevin Roose: Google has stiff competition now, after Microsoft integrated powerful A.I. technology into its search engine.

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Bing? Bong.

#1 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2023-02-08 07:22 PM | Reply

Bing bong, ding dong.

#2 | Posted by ClownShack at 2023-02-08 08:41 PM | Reply

I think Google's version screwed up a test today.

#3 | Posted by REDIAL at 2023-02-08 08:51 PM | Reply

Redial,

It wasn't just a test.

I think it was an actual ad that someone caught a mistake.

#4 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2023-02-08 09:36 PM | Reply

And Google stock fell 100B subsequently.

#5 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2023-02-08 09:36 PM | Reply

And this kind of competition and one upsmanship with AI is exactly why the Singularity is inevitable.

#6 | Posted by donnerboy at 2023-02-08 11:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

OMG, Everything I have read and seen of ChatGPT makes me shake my head at whoever thought this was a good idea.

#7 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2023-02-09 12:11 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Has anyone asked it to play Global Thermonuclear War?

#8 | Posted by REDIAL at 2023-02-09 12:16 AM | Reply

#7 It's a crystal lens into everything that's wrong with humanity.

#9 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-02-09 12:49 AM | Reply

That is clearly an ad and should not be posted here as a news thread. BTW Bing ---- SUZZZCKS! I will never use Bing and AI isn't a reason to use it, it's a good reason not to use it. AI is the Devil!

#10 | Posted by danni at 2023-02-09 05:50 AM | Reply

Danni,

"AI is the Devil!"

There were people who said the same thing about bar codes on products and the moon on Proctor and Gamble's new logo.

However...I do agree with you though that evil has gotten a strong hold on society.

#11 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2023-02-09 06:16 AM | Reply

I depend on transportation from my Medicare Plus plan and they use AI for reservations. I have never been able to make one without demanding to speak to a human being. AI is garbage just intended to make services so inconvenient we just give up. I'm considering alternative modes of transportation like ebikes or escooters, Probably very bad ideas but AI makes it impossible to reserve the rides I need. BTW, for your info, that systen is Humana and is garbage.

#12 | Posted by danni at 2023-02-09 08:06 AM | Reply

"And Google stock fell 100B subsequently."

Perhaps so but millions of us will never switch to Bing, ever!

#13 | Posted by danni at 2023-02-09 08:44 AM | Reply

Related...

Chinese Balloon Had Tools to Collect Communications Signals, U.S. Says
www.nytimes.com

...The Chinese spy balloon shot down by the U.S. military over the Atlantic Ocean was capable of collecting communications signals and was part of a fleet of surveillance balloons directed by the Chinese military that had flown over more than 40 countries across five continents, the State Department said Thursday.

The United States used high resolution imagery from U-2 flybys to determine the balloon's capabilities, the department said in a written announcement, adding that the balloon's equipment "was clearly for intelligence surveillance and inconsistent with the equipment onboard weather balloons."

The agency said the balloon had multiple antennas in an array that was "likely capable of collecting and geo-locating communications." Solar panels on the machine were large enough to produce power to operate "multiple active intelligence collection sensors," the department said.

The agency also said the U.S. government was "confident" that the company that made the balloon had direct commercial ties with the People's Liberation Army, the Chinese military, citing an official procurement portal for the army. The department did not name the company.

"The United States will also explore taking action against P.R.C. entities linked to the P.L.A. that supported the balloon's incursion into U.S. airspace," the State Department said, referring to the People's Republic of China. "We will also look at broader efforts to expose and address the P.R.C.'s larger surveillance activities that pose a threat to our national security, and to our allies and partners."...


#14 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-02-09 11:41 AM | Reply

Danni,

I agree about Bing.

I don't use Google either.

For searching I use duckduckgo.

Both Google and Microsoft can't be trusted.

Windows 11 wanted you to log in with a Microsft account to help monitor users. They loosened their demands due to public outcry and you can install with a local account.

I'm afraid it's a bit late to expect any semblance of privacy.

Liberals were complacent about handing over control of their lives to big tech and the government.

Big tech is heavily influenced by the government. We're learning the FBI is in on it too.

But liberals don't want to admit they are part of the problem expecting conservative viewpoints to be suppressed.

You might as well embrace AI. You will be using it whether you know it or not anyway.

#15 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2023-02-09 11:46 AM | Reply

I am not a code developer by trade or training, I am one of necessity. Much like when I was in my 20s, crawling around under whatever car/truck I was driving to fix whatever because I didn't want to pay a mechanic.

I spent the last few weeks thinking about how I could integrate chatbot framework into my own work as a means to save time and money, and I came up with pretty intriguing ideas. I also spent some time thinking about if I could be replaced by chatbot. For the latter, I think I am safe due to AI limitations. For example, its not about knowing the right question to every answer. We will have chatbot for that. Its about knowing how to ask the right questions. As for the former, I am very excited about it. Status quo in my field is 60% of time preparing data, 40% analyzing and discussing results. Trimming down that 60% would really be nice.

#16 | Posted by horstngraben at 2023-02-09 06:19 PM | Reply

BillJohnson is a great example of a person that misunderstand what free speech and information is in the context of modern technology and patents.

I would say to Bill Gates, if you want me to trust Windows, publish the code. I say the same to Elon's Twitter, which Elon claims to be a "free speech absolutist".

I use Linux (Denbian is my flavor). Debian's code is open source and free for anyone to see.

#17 | Posted by horstngraben at 2023-02-09 06:29 PM | Reply

@#3 ... I think Google's version screwed up a test today. ...

Yeah.

Google's new AI didn't do a racism but its public screw up still knocked $100B off the books
www.pcgamer.com

...We all love a healthy dose of schadenfreude now and then, and when it comes at the expense of one of the biggest tech companies in the world, particularly when it's trying to show off, well ... that's just pure unadulterated pleasure, no? An advert highlighting the power of its new BARD AI chatbot Google only served to highlight just how confident it was in delivering an inaccurate result.

And that wiped some $100 billion off the market value (opens in new tab) of parent company, Alphabet. Oof. That's an expensive wrong answer, BARD.

There's been a long history of AI giving problematic answers and responses, but generally they been on the more bigoted side of the spectrum, such as the South Korean chatbot suspended from Facebook (opens in new tab) and even Microsoft's own super-racist chatbot, Tay (opens in new tab).

At least BARD's error was more factually inaccurate than ideologically concerning.

Google had its hand forced in terms of taking the wraps off its BARD AI by the rise of OpenAI's ChatGPT, especially since Microsoft pumped a bunch of cash into the company's coffers in return for jamming it into its Bing search engine. Microsoft has now launched a new chatty version of Bing with ChatGPT's code (opens in new tab) integrated into it, and you can sign up to be one of the first to try it out yourself....


As noted, so astutely, in the first sentence of the last paragraph I quoted, it seems that ChatGPT and Bing had forced google t demo software that was not yet ready to be demo'd.

As I often say here... Oops.


#18 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-02-09 06:43 PM | Reply

@#17 ... I use Linux (Denbian is my flavor). ...

Linux Mint here on the notebook I am using this evening (as I participate here and do maintenance on some servers. (Could be a late night...)).

#19 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-02-09 06:46 PM | Reply

"Its about knowing how to ask the right questions"

Watson showed that getting the right answer is very achievable, provided you have a handle on the structure of the question.
I think one thing ChatGPT must do well is transform the question into what the industry calls "structured data."

#20 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-02-09 06:48 PM | Reply

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:)

#21 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-02-09 06:48 PM | Reply

Hor,

"I would say to Bill Gates, if you want me to trust Windows, publish the code."

That's were you don't understand what's going on.

They don't care if you trust them.

#22 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2023-02-09 07:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#20 ... "Its about knowing how to ask the right questions" ...

And not just for search engines and AI chat bots.

As I have said here multiple times in the past... if you want better answers, ask better questions.

I is not a mind-reader. (yet...)


#23 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-02-09 07:10 PM | Reply

I would say to Bill Gates, if you want me to trust Windows, publish the code.

Isn't Bill long out of the Windows game?

#24 | Posted by REDIAL at 2023-02-09 07:11 PM | Reply

@#22 ... They don't care if you trust them. ...

Microsoft, in its monopoly position, doesn't have to care.

I don't know if you go back to this time, but...

SNL Transcripts: Lily Tomlin: 09/18/76: The Phone Company
snltranscripts.jt.org

...
The Phone Company

Ernestine ... ..Lily Tomlin
Technician in background ... ..Al Franken

Ernestine: A gracious hello. Here at the Phone Company, we handle eighty-four billion calls a year. Serving everyone from presidents and kings to the scum of the earth. So, we realize that, every so often, you can't get an operator, or for no apparent reason your phone goes out of order, or perhaps you get charged for a call you didn't make. We don't care!

Watch this ... [ she hits buttons maniacally ] We just lost Peoria.

You see, this phone system consists of a multibillion-dollar matrix of space age technology that is so sophisticated " [ she hits buttons with her elbows ] even we can't handle it. But that's your problem, isn't it? So, the next time you complain about your phone service, why don't you try using two Dixie cups with a string? We don't care. We don't have to. We're the Phone Company.
...



:)

#25 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-02-09 07:14 PM | Reply

@#24 ... Isn't Bill long out of the Windows game? ...

Yup.

Mr Gates now seems to be using his ill-gotten gains to promote green-investing.

Trying to redeem what he may see as the past wrongs he has done?

#26 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-02-09 07:22 PM | Reply

Mr Gates now seems to be using his ill-gotten gains to promote green-investing.

Beats buying Twitter. Let that sink in. :-)

#27 | Posted by REDIAL at 2023-02-09 07:31 PM | Reply

@#27 ... Beats buying Twitter. ...

Mr Musk used a lot of "other peoples' money" to buy Twitter.

But, yeah, your point is taken.


#28 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-02-09 07:37 PM | Reply

That's were you don't understand what's going on.
They don't care if you trust them.
#22 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

I agree with BillJohnson for a change.
Lots of people have shown they'll trust someone like Trump or Musk or Zuckerberg, no matter what. Because that's just how some people are.
It's a lot like George Bush's version of fool some of the people all of the time. Those are the ones you have to focus on.

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-02-09 07:39 PM | Reply

@#15 ... Liberals were complacent about handing over control of their lives to big tech and the government. ...

Woof.

That's a pretty impressive statement.

What evidence have yer got to back it up?

URLs would be most helpful.

Yer up.

#30 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-02-09 07:53 PM | Reply

@#29 ... Lots of people have shown they'll trust someone like Trump or Musk or Zuckerberg, no matter what. Because that's just how some people are....

I am reminded of something Oscar Wilde had said...

"It is a very sad thing that nowadays there is so little useless information."

If Mr Wilde had been alive today, I am sure he would have found so much, oh so much, useless information being propagted by the Republican party.


#31 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-02-09 07:58 PM | Reply

"@#15 ... Liberals were complacent about handing over control of their lives to big tech and the government."

^
If you read the Federalist and the Anti-Federalist, you will see that was actually quite contentious.
Regardless, write and sign a Social Contract they did.

#32 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-02-09 08:02 PM | Reply

@#32 ... you will see that was actually quite contentious ...

I do not disagree about the "contentious" aspect.

In my view, the Republicans have seemed to raise this issue, but without substation.

They seem to want to portray themselves as being the victim, but without substantiation.

So, why do Republicans apparently want to portray themselves as victims so often?

Could the answer to that question be... because they are trying to diminish the documented areas where Republicans have victimized others (e.g., non-white minorities)?

Could Republicans be trying to claim being a victim in order to reduce the negative aspect of what they have been doing to large segments of the population?



#33 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-02-09 08:15 PM | Reply

I wouldn't use Bing even if it were 10 times better than google.....because I hate the name.

#34 | Posted by kudzu at 2023-02-10 12:12 PM | Reply

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