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Sunday, March 12, 2023

Sen. Joseph McCarthy (R-Wis.) during the Senate's infamous Army-McCarthy hearings. This week, nearly 70 years later, Welch's words seem more relevant than ever after House Democrats savaged two journalists who attempted to explain a government effort to censor citizens. It was only the latest of a series of hearings in which FBI agents and other whistleblowers, experts and journalists have been personally attacked for raising free-speech concerns. This week's hearing showed definitively that we live in a post-decency era

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Why are you supporting Jordan's dog and pony show?

#1 | Posted by Zed at 2023-03-12 03:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This week's hearing showed definitively that we live in a post-decency era

POSTED BY BELLRINGER AT 03:17 PM

I thought Trump proved that and Jpordan said Amen.

#2 | Posted by Zed at 2023-03-12 03:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

two journalists who attempted to explain a government effort to censor citizens.

POSTED BY BELLRINGER AT

Anf utterly failed, given that their position was a combination of pique and paranoia.

No one is censoring these Bozos, as witness the article you linked to.

#3 | Posted by Zed at 2023-03-12 03:43 PM | Reply

#3. Tell that to NY Post in 2020.

#4 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-03-12 03:51 PM | Reply

I get it though, people like you have always supported fascism and as a bi-product, censorship.

#5 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-03-12 03:52 PM | Reply

#3. Tell that to NY Post in 2020.

#4 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

I'm telling it to you.

Where's the smoking gun, hombre? You say there's a conspiracy. A huge one. Your job to prove it. Sucks, I know.

#6 | Posted by Zed at 2023-03-12 03:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-------------- child-raping hero repeatedly referred to the press as the enemy of the people.

#7 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2023-03-12 03:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I get it though

#5 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

You can't find your ass using both hands.

#8 | Posted by Zed at 2023-03-12 03:56 PM | Reply

#6. See: Twitter Files.

It's out there and easily accessible.

Of course, this thread is about how Democrats behaved in the hearing this week and it's part of a bigger pattern.

#9 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-03-12 04:02 PM | Reply

Twitter files

It was pretty pathetic that dotard attempted to have Twitter censor Chrissy Teigen for calling him a ----- ass bitch.

#10 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2023-03-12 04:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's out there and easily accessible.

#9 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Then why don't one of you hugger-mugger fascists make a bigger deal out of it?

If it's not getting any traction it's because it's crap. not because it's being suppressed.

#11 | Posted by Zed at 2023-03-12 04:21 PM | Reply

It was wild to hear the congresswoman try to guilt them into giving up their sources.

Lumpers used to stand for liberty, not any longer.

#12 | Posted by oneironaut at 2023-03-12 04:46 PM | Reply

It was wild to hear the congresswoman try to guilt them into giving up their sources.

Lumpers used to stand for liberty, not any longer.

#13 | Posted by oneironaut at 2023-03-12 04:46 PM | Reply

Oh lovely. Jeff is at it again. Keep flailing your arms dear.

#14 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2023-03-12 04:47 PM | Reply

#14. I'm at what again?

#15 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-03-12 04:53 PM | Reply

Trying to nail Democrats for something. Anything.

#16 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2023-03-12 04:55 PM | Reply

I read an article by a respected Constitutional scholar who levied the criticisms and I posted it here. Did you read the linked piece? Did you watch any of the footage from the hearing?

#17 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-03-12 04:57 PM | Reply

Is this another thread where free market conservatives get mad at a private company's moderation policies?

#18 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-03-12 06:01 PM | Reply

The Twitter files? Oh yeah how the FBI and the CIA and the media (including Fox News and OAN) colluded to hide the Hunter Biden "story".

I never quite understood why Fox Not News colluded to get Biden elected, but whatever.

#19 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-03-12 06:03 PM | Reply

" Is this another thread where free market conservatives get mad at a private company's moderation policies?

#18 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2023-03-12 06:01 PM | FLAG: "

Nope. Read the linked article and you will understand what it's about.

#20 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-03-12 06:06 PM | Reply

" how the FBI and the CIA and the media (including Fox News and OAN) colluded to hide the Hunter Biden "story"."

I'll take The Exact Place Where Logic Fails for $2000, Mayim.

#21 | Posted by Danforth at 2023-03-12 06:09 PM | Reply

Nope. Read the linked article and you will understand what it's about.

#20 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

I did it's a non story filled with faux outrage and performance hysteria

I for one am tired of the rights non stop bullspit

Maybe if for a little while they were actually honest about anything

Sorry you're not an honest broker

#22 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-03-12 06:26 PM | Reply

Some people believe that hate speech shouldn't be protected under the First Amendment. They think it can hurt and keep certain groups of people down. They also say that hate speech isn't really "speech," but is actually an aggressive or violent action.

Others disagree and say that hate speech should be protected. They point out that some other countries have laws against hate speech and say that the United States should do the same. They also say that letting hate speech happen without consequences can create a really unfriendly environment for marginalized groups and even lead to violence against them. They think that there's a difference between free speech and hate speech, and that while free speech should be protected, hurtful or discriminatory language shouldn't be allowed.

But even though people disagree about this, U.S. courts have always said that hate speech is protected under the First Amendment. Some people might not think that's right, but that's still the law in the United States.
thehill.com

The idea of having free speech and a free press while also being decent is a tough topic that people have talked about for a long time. There are a few articles out there about how the internet should be a place where people can say what they want without getting in trouble. But some people are worried about controlling what people say on the internet because it might go against the First Amendment.

In the end, figuring out how to balance free speech and being decent is a big deal that needs a lot of thinking. We need to think about what each person's rights are and what the whole group thinks is important.

ndl.ethernet.edu.et
sgp.fas.org
crsreports.congress.gov
www.aclu.org

#23 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2023-03-12 06:41 PM | Reply

#22. Fine. File under, "It's OK when we do it"

#24 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-03-12 06:51 PM | Reply

" In the end, figuring out how to balance free speech and being decent is a big deal that needs a lot of thinking. We need to think about what each person's rights are and what the whole group thinks is important."

The balance is more speech - countering arguments. Setting aside the 1st Amendment censorship is not the answer.

#25 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-03-12 06:55 PM | Reply

OK, I just started to read this thread. The first thing I see as I read the "article" is that it is an opinion piece (what I typically tag as an "op-ed"), not a news article.

That aside, I'll continue reading...


#26 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-03-12 07:07 PM | Reply

From the cited article...

...Taibbi pushed back, saying that "I'm not a so-called journalist'" and giving a brief description of his award-winning career at Rolling Stone magazine and other publications....

Well, yeah, back in the day, I had admired the reporting that Mr Taibbi had done. A lot. He was a great reporter for The Rolling Stone.

But since those times, something happened. I don't know what, but something changed. Since then he's reporting has had a real bias to it, a bias that was unusual for what I had thought of his reporting.

Did he have a "coming to Jesus" moment that changed his life? I don't know.

All I do know is that when i read his current reporting, I take a step back and wonder,... what happened.



#27 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-03-12 07:14 PM | Reply

You're right that it's important to have different opinions and be able to share them without getting in trouble. But sometimes, saying certain things can hurt people and make them feel really bad. Things like hate speech or speech that promotes violence against certain groups of people can be especially hurtful. In these cases, it might be necessary to limit what people can say so that everyone feels safe and equal.

First, it's important to recognize that the issue of free speech versus censorship is a complex one that has been debated for centuries. On the one hand, we have the First Amendment, which guarantees the right to free speech and is a cornerstone of our democracy. On the other hand, we have concerns about hate speech, discrimination, and other forms of speech that can cause real harm to individuals and groups.

One way to balance these concerns is through what is often called "counterspeech." To your point, this means promoting more speech and encouraging people to speak out against harmful or offensive speech. When people are allowed to express their opinions freely and openly, it can create a more inclusive and tolerant society, where people feel free to express themselves without fear of retaliation.

However, there are situations where counterspeech alone may not be enough. For example, hate speech can create a climate of fear and intimidation, especially for marginalized communities. In these cases, it may be necessary to place some limits on speech in order to protect the rights and dignity of those who are being targeted.

But even when we're talking about limiting speech, we need to be careful not to overstep our bounds. The First Amendment is a fundamental right, and any limitations on speech must be narrowly tailored and serve a compelling government interest. Censorship, broadly defined, is not the answer.

Ultimately, finding the right balance between free speech and other values requires ongoing discussion, debate, and reflection. It's important to respect the rights and dignity of all individuals, while also protecting the principles of democracy and justice. And it's up to all of us to work together to find the right balance and promote a more inclusive and tolerant society.

#28 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2023-03-12 07:15 PM | Reply

@#27

What Happened to Matt Taibbi? (October 2021)
nymag.com

Good article. imo, worth a read.

#29 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-03-12 07:19 PM | Reply

Ballwasher the fascist clown shows once again what a complete dumbass he is.

---- off, ------.

#30 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2023-03-12 07:22 PM | Reply

LOL jeffy believes the twitter files.

Even as cherry picked as they were it was a giant sad trombone. .

#31 | Posted by jpw at 2023-03-12 09:42 PM | Reply

LOL jeffy believes the twitter files.

No no... it's "Twitter Files". The capitals make it official truth. Just like "Steele Dossier" makes it oficial non-truth.

#32 | Posted by REDIAL at 2023-03-12 09:54 PM | Reply

Impossible to take any screams of "fascism!!!!" seriously from any of you.

None of you oppose it. You embrace it just so long as Democrats are the ones engaging in it.

#33 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-03-12 11:47 PM | Reply

@#33 ... mpossible to take any screams of "fascism!!!!" seriously from any of you.

None of you oppose it. You embrace it just so long as Democrats are the ones engaging in it. ...

Really?

That sweeping condemnation of all, who raise questions of your current alias' opinions, is what your current alias wants to go with going forward?


(asking for a friend)

#34 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-03-13 12:15 AM | Reply

" Even as cherry picked as they were it was a giant sad trombone. .

#31 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2023-03-12 09:42 PM | REPLY | FLAG:"

This has been your default response. Given you are a scientist, I have some questions as to how you arrived at your conclusion:

What counter-factual evidence have you seen that shows the ever-growing pile of evidence is cherry-picked?

With the Files a bunch of receipts have been provided. Do you have any evidence to suggest that the documentation is fabricated?

Do the journalists doing the reporting have a consistent history of fabrication when evaluating the totality of their work?

#35 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-03-13 12:38 AM | Reply

@#35 ... What counter-factual evidence have you seen that shows the ever-growing pile of evidence is cherry-picked? ...

While I am interested in this conversation, I might add that your request has a fatal flaw...

Perhaps the JPW alias is quite well informed (and, as an aside, I've not seen any evidence to the contrary).

So let's suppose that the JPW alias has not seen any counter-factual evidence.

In other words, and bluntly, why does your current seem to be asking someone else to be proving the opinion your alias seems to be proffering.

Shouldn't that be the onus upon your current alias, i.e., to provide evidence for what it asserts?

Stately differently, is your case so weak that your current alias seems to be asking for others to prove it?

I mean... really.

#36 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-03-13 12:57 AM | Reply

so Bellringer posts a thread called.

"House Democrats Attack Free Speech and a Free Press"

and the clientele attacks bellringer for it.

let's edit the headline...

House Democrats ...with the full support of the DR circle ....Attack Free Speech and a Free Press

#37 | Posted by shrimptacodan at 2023-03-13 06:26 PM | Reply

House Democrats Attack Free Speech and a Free Press

I question authors that use the work "attack" 10 times in a 10 paragraph article.

#38 | Posted by REDIAL at 2023-03-13 06:35 PM | Reply

question authors that use the work "attack" 10 times in a 10 paragraph article.
#38 | POSTED BY REDIAL

Did you watch the session? if not why do you question it? They were clearly passive aggressive attacks (multiple) on their character.

#39 | Posted by oneironaut at 2023-03-13 06:47 PM | Reply

Did you watch the session?

No.

if not why do you question it?

Because I can. I don't classify referring to someone as a "so-called journanlist" as an "attack".

#40 | Posted by REDIAL at 2023-03-13 06:54 PM | Reply

The balance is more speech - countering arguments. Setting aside the 1st Amendment censorship is not the answer.
#25 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Hate speech does not respond to arguments.

Because hate speech is not rooted in logic, but rather prejudice and bigotry.

Give us literally any examples of a hate speech purveyor who stopped because of "arguments."

You can't, because it doesn't happen.

Your agenda, and the GOP agenda, is to normalize hate speech and make it okay to flourish unchecked in society.

#41 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-03-13 08:56 PM | Reply

The problem is that Taibbi in his so-called Twitter Files reports isn't a journalist, practicing journalism:

Seth Abramson
@SethAbramson
I'm seeing a lot of tweets today that imply what Matt Taibbi has been doing with Elon Musk is "journalism" and therefore discussion of it should track with discussions of journalism (e.g., as to revealing sources). In fact, Musk is a known unreliable source who gave Taibbi...

twitter.com

#42 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2023-03-14 11:10 AM | Reply

BTW, Taibbi is free to publish disinformation and BS if he wants to, just people are free to reject it on those grounds.

#43 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2023-03-14 11:11 AM | Reply

#41. The 1st Amendment exists to protect unpopular speech. I know the nuance of that is difficult for you to grasp. Supporting the right for someone to put forth an unpopular message does not equal support of the message itself.

#44 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-03-14 02:59 PM | Reply

The 1st amendment exists to prevent THE GOVERNMENT from stifling speech. You idiot.

#45 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2023-03-14 03:03 PM | Reply

It also protects the press, and the right of citizens to protest the government. You know, all the stuff Ronnie DeSanTurd is so terrified of.

#46 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2023-03-14 03:11 PM | Reply

Supporting the right for someone to put forth an unpopular message does not equal support of the message itself.
#44 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

It does when the only unpopular messaging you've ever supported is hate speech.

#47 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-03-15 12:44 PM | Reply

"The 1st Amendment exists to protect unpopular speech."

Protect unpopular speech from what?

#48 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-03-15 12:44 PM | Reply

It's pretty amusing to watch Republicans selectively defend the first amendment.

#49 | Posted by ClownShack at 2023-03-15 12:49 PM | Reply

experts and journalists have been personally attacked

But enough about Trump.

#50 | Posted by ClownShack at 2023-03-15 12:50 PM | Reply

"The 1st Amendment exists to protect unpopular speech."

Really, it protects unpopular-with-DeSantis Freedom of Speech.
Does it protect unpopular-with-DeSantis Freedom of Association too?

New Florida bill would ban diversity, inclusion programs on university campuses
thehill.com

A new Florida bill would ban programs that promote diversity, equity and inclusion in colleges and universities across the state.

House Bill 999, or the Public Postsecondary Educational Institutions, bans colleges from financially supporting "any programs or campus activities that espouse diversity, equity, or inclusion or Critical Race Theory rhetoric."

The language has led to concerns that Black fraternities and sororities will be barred from Florida campuses under the proposed legislation.

#51 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-03-15 12:55 PM | Reply

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