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Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Friday, March 17, 2023

The author argues that there is no such thing as a "liberal" news media, but rather a corporate news media that privileges the voices and agenda of the powerful over those of everyday Americans. The term "liberal media bias" was invented by the American right-wing in the 1980s and 1990s to train and bully the American news media into serving its agenda. The article also discusses how the myth of liberal media bias persists today, despite evidence to the contrary. A real liberal news media would not create a false equivalence between Republicans and Democrats, would elevate the voices and needs of marginalized groups, and would challenge power.

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A real liberal news media would not create a false equivalence between Republicans and Democrats, would elevate the voices and needs of marginalized groups, and would challenge power.

And this is what those that mock "both parties are the same"... They are they both suck, they are both puppets of the ruling class, and each as a different part to play. There's the liberal agenda, and the conservative agenda... that they claim. Both are just fronts and methods of exerting control. The fact that the media does none of the above isn't an indication that they don't lean liberal. It's just that despite what it claims the actual liberal agenda is none of which is stated above.

It's never going to challenge power, it is the power.

#1 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2023-03-17 10:05 AM | Reply

"Both are just fronts and methods of exerting control. "

This doesn't really hold up when one side is outlawing ablution and trans, and the other side isn't doing anything like that.

#2 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-03-17 10:22 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#2

I hate to use Star Wars as a reference... but... Causing the Clone Wars and have two sides fighting served as the distraction for Palpatine to control the populace while he took power.

It's the same thing here... the two side are different just like you said, and that's the point. Everyone picks their side, argues tooth and nail with the other side. Both parties are puppets, and we play along buying into the game... never questioning why we are playing, just picking a side.

What they need is us divided, So the parties are different. When I say they're the same, it's because they're both just pieces of a game.

#3 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2023-03-17 10:32 AM | Reply

Yeah, I think a lot of us focus on the differences, which are real, meaningful, and substantive, and varied, instead of the similarities, which can sometimes be more alarming.

#4 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2023-03-17 10:39 AM | Reply

"I hate to use Star Wars as a reference..."

Was there a Good Side and a Bad Side in Star Wars?

Because you're saying they're the same.

Ask Alderaan about that.

#5 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-03-17 11:04 AM | Reply

#5 Eps. 1-3, not 4-6.

Trade federation... run behind the scenes by palpatine
Galactic Republic... went to war with trade federation, as cover for palpatine to usurp power.

Clone war.. Trade Fed vs Galactic Republic for Palpatine to cement his power.

Palpatine puppeted both sides to keep the populace and the gov't distracted. He didn't care about either sides issues, just that they were too busy infighting to see what was actually happening.

I know you'll somehow find a way to cherry pick on nuance of these movies, hyper focus on it, and disregard the point because to do otherwise would mean you'd have to acknowledge that you've gone all in on picking a side and playing along with the elites planned distraction strategy.

#6 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2023-03-17 11:34 AM | Reply

The Myth of Liberal News Media

...says liberal magazine.
It's obvious that the bulk of media coordinates liberal views and narratives. FOX is right-lite designed to sell advertising to people that can't stomach the left leaning sources. FOX also controls 'noticers' to steer them away from more radical sources.

('noticers' are those that notice inconsistencies and double standards in the coordinated mainstream narratives)

#7 | Posted by orgasmdonor at 2023-03-17 11:57 AM | Reply | Funny: 3

- have two sides fighting served as the distraction for Palpatine to control the populace while he took power.

It's commonly know as Plutocratic Polarization, and it's been around forever in fiction and in fact.

www.beyondintractability.org

www.thestatesman.com

The 1 percent who own 90 percent of the wealth, and the media, have the two parties at each others throats over stupid cultural and social issues while they are being raped and robbed by economic policies bought and paid for.... legally now with dark money under Citizens United.

#8 | Posted by Corky at 2023-03-17 11:57 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

By any meaningful standard, left wing cable news is far more honest with it's audience about actual facts than right wing cable news. It is not even close. (But if the only thing you watch is right wing cable news you probably adamantly disagree.)

#9 | Posted by moder8 at 2023-03-17 12:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

It's never going to challenge power, it is the power.

#1 | POSTED BY KWRX25

It's never going to challenge power because "it" is a myth.

These so called "liberal media" only seem to be leaning liberal because of the fact that reality has a liberal bias. Or perhaps it is that these media deal in and report the reality of news stories and not the dystopian imagined fantasies of maga maroons like MTG and Ronnie (I hate us) DeSantis.

#10 | Posted by donnerboy at 2023-03-17 12:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Plutocrats with Pitchforks:

The Distinctive Politics of Right-Wing Populism in the United States
Jacob S. Hacker
Yale University
&
Paul Pierson
U.C. Berkeley

www.law.berkeley.edu

pdf file

#11 | Posted by Corky at 2023-03-17 12:10 PM | Reply

"This doesn't really hold up when one side is outlawing ablution and trans, and the other side isn't doing anything like that."

This is the kind of statement that proves there is a huge problem with people who are too partisan to be objective. The fact you think Dems aren't doing things to limit freedoms and gain control, when there is ample, real-world, irrefutable evidence they are, is indicative of everything wrong with this country today. Your statement would be correct if you said, "This doesn't really hold up when one side is outlawing ablution and trans, and the other side isn't doing anything like that" and had qualified it by saying the other side isn't doing anything like that in regard to those specific topics. It still would read bad but at least it would be the truth and not some partisan statement. Dems have been trying to control free speech and free thought for most of the 21st century so far, and that isn't debatable, just like Reps have been trying to control abortion. Enough people have been fired, their lives have been ruined, etc. because of Liberals. Even in cases where someone was falsely accused, the Liberal outrage that occurred ruined that person's life.

And that's just one example. There are many, many, MANY others. Your inability to think objectively and understand that both parties are vying for control based on their prevalent opinions is harming this country, not the actual legislation itself. America is meant to change with the times so laws changing is a good thing, it's the people who refuse to see any other perspective and then making everything they don't agree with into a national emergency that is why this country is hurting.

"FOX is right-lite designed to sell advertising to people that can't stomach the left leaning sources."

I have to say, that is one heck of an accurate description of FOX. Can't stand all their ads and their catering to the companies that match their narrative.

#12 | Posted by humtake at 2023-03-17 12:12 PM | Reply

Ask Alderaan about that.

#5 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

You're confusing the Republic during the Clone Wars with the Empire after the Clone Wars.

#13 | Posted by Sycophant at 2023-03-17 12:14 PM | Reply

The fact you think Dems aren't doing things to limit freedoms and gain control, when there is ample, real-world, irrefutable evidence they are, is indicative of everything wrong with this country today.
#12 | POSTED BY HUMTAKE

So tell us what they are doing to "gain control".

#14 | Posted by Sycophant at 2023-03-17 12:15 PM | Reply

"And that's just one example."

Except as usual you never actually provided an actual example of anything.

#15 | Posted by donnerboy at 2023-03-17 12:24 PM | Reply

-This is the kind of statement that proves there is a huge problem with people who are too partisan to be objective.

Let's be honest, there is absolutely no requirement to be objective on blogs like this.

You can keep score and tell yourself anything you want. You might take some grief for it here but everybody takes grief.....including those who are objective. You'll take grief specifically for being objective.

But remember...it's just partisans keeping score. That's it. There is nothing more to it. All that really matters is how we vote.

Not the party we're registered to vote for, but actually how we vote in the elections that matter.

A moderate votes for a democrat and they count that vote just the same as when sycophant votes with anger and vigor.

on this place, sycophant thinks it matters that someone is a moderate even when they vote the same on election day.

But that's just drama between the ears. nothing more.

#16 | Posted by eberly at 2023-03-17 12:29 PM | Reply

It's no myth. Our news media is corrupt.

Trust in our media is at historic low and that is completely self-inflicted. They've become propaganda outlets for the state.

#17 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-03-17 12:33 PM | Reply

If there was a Liberal Media, Hillary would be in her second term right now.

#18 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2023-03-17 12:42 PM | Reply

For a brief while right out of college I had to spend some time being trained by a guy who I traveled with who listened to Rush Limbaugh every day.

That was really my intro into political news and the concept of biased media.

But not long after, I discovered the MSM wasn't as biased as folks like Limbaugh would have you think. It's an accusation.

I see those every day here. But that's just about all it is.....accusations that have a foundation in what people want to believe anyway.

With that said, I don't find any bias to be a problem. To me, it's of such a small enough nature that I can tolerate it.

#19 | Posted by eberly at 2023-03-17 12:51 PM | Reply

In outlets like NYT and WaPo straight news articles read like they are op-eds.

#20 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-03-17 01:05 PM | Reply

With that said, I don't find any bias to be a problem. To me, it's of such a small enough nature that I can tolerate it.

I can agree with this. Humans are naturally biased, an artifact of past survival strategies. While we have difficulty identifying our own bias, recognizing bias in others is relatively easy for our brains, and most can adjust their interpretation accordingly. We do it every day, with every interaction.

But some people, from all parts of the political spectrum, need to be told what to think. Others need to confirm their own bias. These people are feeble minded, and gravitate towards heavily biased media.

Most people who regularly ingest news just to have an informed opinion, and can filter out the BS.

#21 | Posted by horstngraben at 2023-03-17 01:08 PM | Reply

I know SNL isn't news but the show does cover current news items. When she was running for VP they had a field day with Sarah Palin, and it was hilarious. Have they done anything about Kamala Harris? She is CRINGE. What about the press secretary? She's a debacle. They had a field day with Spicer and it was hilarious. KJP is a disaster. Both KJP and Harris have provided a wealth of comedy material that SNL won't touch.

Would they even consider doing a bit like this:

m.youtube.com

#22 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-03-17 01:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Trust in our media is at historic low and that is completely self-inflicted. They've become propaganda outlets for the state."
POSTED BY BELLRINGER

If they don't do softball interviews with politicians they lose access. And we as a people have determined that we consume more news when the politicians are being interviewed. Self inflicted? Sure. But by us as much as by the villainous, untrustworthy, news media.

#23 | Posted by Hagbard_celine at 2023-03-17 01:13 PM | Reply

"The fact you think Dems aren't doing things to limit freedoms and gain control, when there is ample, real-world, irrefutable evidence they are, is indicative of everything wrong with this country today."

Give us some examples.

"Dems have been trying to control free speech and free thought for most of the 21st century so far."

Give us some examples.

Especially some examples that differentiate Democrats from Republicans. Which means asking Twitter to take down stuff they don't like doesn't cut it.

#24 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-03-17 01:13 PM | Reply

"Trust in our media is at historic low and that is completely self-inflicted."

Thanks, Capitalism!

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-03-17 01:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trust in our media is at historic low and that is completely self-inflicted. They've become propaganda outlets for the state.

#17 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

You are describing Fixed News of course.

While all the media have a part to play in gaining or losing public trust the propaganda that Republicans with the cooperation of and Collusion of Fox News has played the biggest role.

Fox News was literally issuing fake news the whole time it was repeating Trumpy's lies about Fake News.

The now legally documented hypocrisy is astounding.

#26 | Posted by donnerboy at 2023-03-17 01:21 PM | Reply

"Trust in our media is at historic low..."

I don't think that's true.

Yes, it's how people respond in polls but they're lying to themselves. They trust the ---- out of the media. They think it's fashionable and high minded to claim they don't trust the media.

but they do.........


#27 | Posted by eberly at 2023-03-17 01:25 PM | Reply

I agree with the mild-mannered fascist pig.

The people who say they don't trust the media -- are the same ones saying the election was stolen.

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-03-17 01:28 PM | Reply

I discovered the MSM wasn't as biased as folks like Limbaugh would have you think.

This is true. And it's important to understand why they lie about this. Drilling this idea into peoples' heads over and over (1) allows Republicans to deny reality by simply referencing their own self-created feud with media as a basis to attack and diminish accurate reporting; and (2) affords additional opportunities for rightwing grievance theater, which is a massive chunk of their politics at this point.

#29 | Posted by JOE at 2023-03-17 01:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

29

I agree

#30 | Posted by eberly at 2023-03-17 01:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#30 Me too

#31 | Posted by JOE at 2023-03-17 01:58 PM | Reply

If you agree and you're still a Republican, you're okay with it.

It's kinda like the old adage from the Chocolate Carter days!

Not all Republicans are racist.
But all Republicans decided racism isn't a deal-breaker.

#32 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-03-17 01:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Liberal media would be pushing for single payer healthcare, nationalizing oil companies, breaking up monopolies, cutting military funding, prosecuting bush for the iraq war lies, saying corporations aren't people, and taking money out of elections.

Show me any liberal media source with this agenda.

#33 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2023-03-17 02:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Follow the money. Who owns the media?

#34 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2023-03-17 02:05 PM | Reply

It's kinda like the old adage from the Chocolate Carter days!

Not all Republicans are racist.
But all Republicans decided racism isn't a deal-breaker.

#32 | Posted by snoofy

For 2023 you have to update it to FASCIST instead of RACIST.

Nearly all modern republicans have decided that a fascist coup attempt isn't a deal breaker.

#35 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2023-03-17 02:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

You can keep score and tell yourself anything you want. You might take some grief for it here but everybody takes grief.....including those who are objective. You'll take grief specifically for being objective.
But remember...it's just partisans keeping score. That's it. There is nothing more to it. All that really matters is how we vote.
Not the party we're registered to vote for, but actually how we vote in the elections that matter.
A moderate votes for a democrat and they count that vote just the same as when sycophant votes with anger and vigor.

And the morons who are the poster children for this problem show up and raise their hands to volunteer.

#36 | Posted by eberly at 2023-03-17 02:14 PM | Reply

This is true. And it's important to understand why they lie about this. Drilling this idea into peoples' heads over and over (1) allows Republicans to deny reality by simply referencing their own self-created feud with media as a basis to attack and diminish accurate reporting; and (2) affords additional opportunities for rightwing grievance theater, which is a massive chunk of their politics at this point.

#29 | POSTED BY JOE

Rush Limbaugh started doing exactly this back in the early 90's. How he's the only one who's telling you the truth, if you're listening to him that's the only place to get the truth. All the rest of the 'liberal media' is pushing a lying elitist agenda to take the money from all you good hard working god fearing folk and give it to lazy welfare people or use it to kill babies. Preying upon people's worries and fears, and giving them a group to blame. And when you hear the same thing over and over, day after day, it becomes a belief system. And he built a massive cult following which grew into the Tea Party and whatever the hell the GOP is today.

Also, for people who only get their information from FOX networks, everything else probably does look pretty liberal.

#37 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2023-03-17 02:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I know SNL isn't news but the show does cover current news items. When she was running for VP they had a field day with Sarah Palin, and it was hilarious. Have they done anything about Kamala Harris? She is CRINGE. What about the press secretary? She's a debacle. They had a field day with Spicer and it was hilarious. KJP is a disaster. Both KJP and Harris have provided a wealth of comedy material that SNL won't touch.
Would they even consider doing a bit like this:
m.youtube.com
#22 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

I do agree with your post. ALL political leaders should be questioned, shortcomings pointed out, bad decisions roasted. Yes, SNL isn't news but it is a big part of our cultural voice and I wish they'd put similar effort into a D admin as they do an R.

#38 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2023-03-17 02:22 PM | Reply

Speaking of Rush Limbaugh

www.riverfronttimes.com

Remember, for happy thought of the day, Rush Limbaugh is still dead.

#39 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-03-17 02:42 PM | Reply

I know SNL isn't news but the show does cover current news items. When she was running for VP they had a field day with Sarah Palin, and it was hilarious. Have they done anything about Kamala Harris? She is CRINGE. What about the press secretary? She's a debacle. They had a field day with Spicer and it was hilarious. KJP is a disaster. Both KJP and Harris have provided a wealth of comedy material that SNL won't touch.
Would they even consider doing a bit like this:
m.youtube.com
#22 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Hey, look jeff is lying again.

www.tmz.com

www.clayandbuck.com

scroll.in

It's almost like he has Tourette's, but instead of cursing he lies.

#40 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-03-17 02:48 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

39

Enjoy.

But you aren't really happy, are you?

Look at the bitching and moaning about the lies lies lies lies lies in the media all day and night....and with Rush Limbaugh still dead.

Fox News, who covers a fraction of what is reported overall, is blamed for all the lies lies lies lies lies.

And when they lie, it's pointed out in massive big fashion. there are probably hundreds of websites devoted to pointing out every single lie they tell.....over and over.

And yet, the world's coming to an end, and it's Fox News's fault.

#41 | Posted by eberly at 2023-03-17 02:51 PM | Reply

-Hey, look jeff is lying again.

He never claimed to be a dentist from Detroit but you insisted he was....as you tried to out his identity.

So, your outrage is hilarious.

just yesterday, you ------ lied through your missing teeth and ran like a ----- when you got caught.

#42 | Posted by eberly at 2023-03-17 02:59 PM | Reply

Eberly and jeffybell really loves the smelling of their farts

Watching them interact is as educational as watching two cats eating each others ----

Invite only, ya'll

#43 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2023-03-17 03:15 PM | Reply

#43 | POSTED BY CHIEFTUTMOSES AT 2023-03-17 03:15 PM | FLAG: Bellringer and Eberly could both fart in my teepee and not even the 12 year old squaw I'm banging could smell it over the normal scent of the -------- I live in.

#44 | Posted by eberly at 2023-03-17 03:24 PM | Reply

"Left Leaning" = factual news reporting according to the right wing, who've been whining about "liberal bias" since the 80's in an attempt to get Americans to distrust verified, factual reporting and instead listen to their pack of bullschitt.

#45 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2023-03-17 04:57 PM | Reply

>"Left Leaning" = factual news reporting

Sure it does.
Watch as the story evolves and the headlines get scrubbed, in unison. And then, it always boils down to somehow being the fault of GOP/White people/Trump/Russia.

#46 | Posted by orgasmdonor at 2023-03-17 08:00 PM | Reply

#44 | Posted by eberly

Rich olfactory experience there. Of course the 12 yo can't smell it; she is making most of it.

#47 | Posted by orgasmdonor at 2023-03-17 08:02 PM | Reply

Your media are scripted

swprs.org

#48 | Posted by orgasmdonor at 2023-03-17 08:17 PM | Reply

Dems have been trying to control free speech and free thought for most of the 21st century so far, and that isn't debatable
#12 | POSTED BY HUMTAKE

This statement is not accurate. It is a political opinion that is not supported by factual evidence. The claim that Democrats "have been trying to control free speech and free thought for most of the 21st century" is not debatable because it is an unfounded assertion. If so, you'd provide substantiation of facts.

Yet here you are, demanding everyone view your perspective as nothing but undeniable truth just because you posted words.

#49 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2023-03-17 08:19 PM | Reply

it always boils down to somehow being the fault of GOP/White people/Trump/Russia.

#46 | Posted by orgasmdonor

That's because russia has realized the best way to bring down america is to support republicans.

#50 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2023-03-17 09:07 PM | Reply

it always boils down to somehow being the fault of GOP/White people/Trump/Russia.
#46 | Posted by orgasmdonor

Are you white? If so, you suffer from white privilege just like me.

Swallow it.

#51 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2023-03-17 09:24 PM | Reply

"A real liberal news media would not defer to corporations, the monied classes and other powerful interests. Instead, the voices and needs of the poor, working class, unions, and those other individuals and groups who are being exploited by late capitalism, and hurt by the types of extreme social inequality it has created would be elevated."

I would refer the author of this article to the world socialist website.

https://www.wsws.org

I think it is exactly what Mr. DeVega is searching for.

#52 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-03-17 11:04 PM | Reply

"Liberal media would be pushing for single payer healthcare, nationalizing oil companies, breaking up monopolies, cutting military funding, prosecuting bush for the iraq war lies, saying corporations aren't people, and taking money out of elections."

I think you mean "progressive" media.

And progressive media does do that. Which is why no one pays attention to it.

#53 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-03-17 11:42 PM | Reply

AND they created a State-run propaganda channel to manufacture "conservative" "news" - after Reagan killed the Fairness Doctrine. Televangelist/Christian "conservatives" bought out AM radio across the entire US and the Republican Party started to coordinate messaging with Roger Ailes.

Here we are.

#54 | Posted by chuffy at 2023-03-18 01:59 AM | Reply

And that's just one example.

You never gave a specific example. Meaningless blather doesn't count.

#55 | Posted by zarnon at 2023-03-18 02:37 AM | Reply

Watch as the story evolves and the headlines get scrubbed, in unison. And then, it always boils down to somehow being the fault of GOP/White people/Trump/Russia.

An actual example of this is......?

#56 | Posted by zarnon at 2023-03-18 02:40 AM | Reply

Love how the self proclaimed tough guys and gals on the extremist right are always the self proclaimed victims. Pick one or the other, you don't get to be both.

#57 | Posted by a_monson at 2023-03-18 05:48 AM | Reply

I discovered the MSM wasn't as biased as folks like Limbaugh would have you think.
This is true. And it's important to understand why they lie about this. Drilling this idea into peoples' heads over and over (1) allows Republicans to deny reality by simply referencing their own self-created feud with media as a basis to attack and diminish accurate reporting; and (2) affords additional opportunities for rightwing grievance theater, which is a massive chunk of their politics at this point.

#29 | POSTED BY JOE AT 2023-03-17 01:44 PM

The younger people came to our rescue in 2022, while we oldsters (I'm 75) argued about the type and names of angels dancing on the head of a pin.

#58 | Posted by john47 at 2023-03-18 08:06 AM | Reply

Speaking of Rush Limbaugh
www.riverfronttimes.com
Remember, for happy thought of the day, Rush Limbaugh is still dead.

#39 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2023-03-17 02:42 PM | REPLY |

Also, Rush celebrated his second year of sobriety and eschewing Haitian rentbois.

#59 | Posted by john47 at 2023-03-18 08:12 AM | Reply

" www.tmz.com

www.clayandbuck.com

scroll.in

It's almost like he has Tourette's, but instead of cursing he lies.

#40 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2023-03-17 02:48 PM | REPLY"

Did you even watch the videos in those links? The first one a supposed FBI agent made a single negative comment about Harris. The second, they did play a Harris word salad clip. The third clip was Harris and Biden celebrating their election victory and she wasn't mocked at all. They spent more time mocking Herschel Walker than they have Harris and the press secretary combined. I don't actively watch the show but my wife does so I hear it and the political mockery is very one sided and it's been directed at the MINORITY party, not the people actually in power. Republicans provide plenty of material. No doubt. But so do Democrats and I think a couple of years from now they are going to look back and be kicking themselves for having not seized upon this bounty of comedic material.

#60 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-03-18 09:51 AM | Reply

The gist of the article seems to be that "news" should be ideologically motivated and directed towards producing a desired social outcome. Just politically motivated in the right way.

I mostly want to watch the news to see what is going on in the world. I can interpret the results myself. I don't need anyone interpreting them for me.

#61 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-03-18 10:24 AM | Reply

I've taught my kids that you'll have to be smart enough to identity and deal with bias. Political or otherwise.

Bias is bias.

The danger of it is not recognizing it. If you cant expect yourself to see it where it is then you're just like a fat person who can't see sugar, carbs, fat, etc in what you're taking into your body.

Same thing with information. The world isn't going to remove bias for you.

You have to deal with it yourself.

People don't get that. They believe it's easier to just avoid the sort of bias you don't care for. And constantly curse at it.

That completely lacks any logic.

#62 | Posted by eberly at 2023-03-18 11:02 AM | Reply

Identity = indentify

#63 | Posted by eberly at 2023-03-18 11:04 AM | Reply

An actual example of this is......?

#56 | POSTED BY ZARNON

Examples? Examples?

Magats don't need no stinking examples!

If Fixed News says it's true AND it feels true then it must be true!

#64 | Posted by donnerboy at 2023-03-18 11:19 AM | Reply

"tomatoe" / "tomaaaato"

fake news / think speech

the democrat media still kisses democrats --- and keeps stories hidden especially concerning things like Rob Walker spreading

china business payoffs to Guido Biden and "la famiglia."

#65 | Posted by shrimptacodan at 2023-03-18 12:00 PM | Reply

" china business payoffs to Guido Biden and "la famiglia.""

IOW, get really upset about Biden's $2 million while ignoring Jared's $2 billion.

#66 | Posted by Danforth at 2023-03-18 12:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

china business payoffs to Guido Biden and "la famiglia."

#65 | POSTED BY SHRIMPTACODAN

Still displaying that total lack of shame and awareness that you MAGAts are famous for, eh?

You talking about the so called million dollars they are questioning?

That's chump change to Trumpy and the billion dollars the Saudi's gave to the Trump kids. You investigate that too and then I will believe you really care.

#67 | Posted by donnerboy at 2023-03-18 12:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#66. That's quite the deflection. But I see your point, we shouldn't at all be concerned that the WH might be compromised by China. Nothing to see here. Move along.

#68 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-03-18 12:49 PM | Reply

"That's quite the deflection. "

Just an observation of fact: The same folks unfazed by Jared's $2 Billion want you to be really, really, REALLY upset about Hunter's $2 million.

Next up, I hear Republicans will be investigating Billy Carter.

#69 | Posted by Danforth at 2023-03-18 12:53 PM | Reply

"Liberal media would be pushing for single payer healthcare, nationalizing oil companies, breaking up monopolies, cutting military funding, prosecuting bush for the iraq war lies, saying corporations aren't people, and taking money out of elections."

I think you mean "progressive" media.

And progressive media does do that. Which is why no one pays attention to it.

#53 | Posted by madbomber

Then what are republicans referring to when they whine about the "liberal"" media? What is the agenda of the "liberal" media? What do they think LIBERALS want?

#70 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2023-03-18 03:53 PM | Reply

#66. That's quite the deflection. But I see your point, we shouldn't at all be concerned that the WH might be compromised by China. Nothing to see here. Move along.

#68 | Posted by BellRinger

^ this from the guy who spent the last 6 years ignoring all the evidence that trump's WH was compromised by russia.

#71 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2023-03-18 03:54 PM | Reply

the democrat media still kisses democrats --- and keeps stories hidden especially concerning things like Rob Walker spreading

china business payoffs to Guido Biden and "la famiglia."

#65 | Posted by shrimptacodan

"wahh why wont the media help us spread our conspiracy theories?!"
-the people who lied about obama's birth certificate for years

#72 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2023-03-18 03:55 PM | Reply

Look at who owns the media outlets. Not a Liberal in the bunch.

#73 | Posted by morris at 2023-03-18 06:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

But I see your point, we shouldn't at all be concerned that the WH might be compromised by China. Nothing to see here. Move along.

#68 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

You should be concerned. But you should also be concerned about Trumpy's violations of the emolument clause and all his other foreign entanglements too. In fact a billion times more concerned. But strangely you are not. You are more concerned about the finances of a quiet normal President than the insurrectionist criminally negligent big mouthed lying President (who is according to the big mouth himself apparently about to get his big mouth arrested).

#74 | Posted by donnerboy at 2023-03-18 11:56 PM | Reply

"Then what are republicans referring to when they whine about the "liberal"" media? What is the agenda of the "liberal" media? What do they think LIBERALS want?"

The same reason that Mr. DeVega is claiming that the media is not friendly enough towards issues that Repubs care about.

That said, Rush Limbaugh's program was not news. Tucker Carlson is not a journalist. Nor is Amy Goodman.

I personally favor the Smerconish school of Journalism, and even Bill Maher. They cover politics, but even when they may favor a side, they don't give that side a pass when that side is spewing --------.

#75 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-03-19 12:08 AM | Reply

@#75 ... That said, Rush Limbaugh's program was not news. Tucker Carlson is not a journalist. Nor is Amy Goodman. ...

Yup, agreement abounds.

OK, that aside, how, for example, is Mr Carlson's show judged by those who tune in to watch?

It is one of the most highest-rated shows on the FoxNews channel. His is also one of the shows that FoxNews seems to highly promote in its advertisements because of the ratings.

So, while you and I may agree that Mr Carlson is not a journalist...

That opens up so many more questions...

For starters... why do so many people seem to believe an admitted liar on a news channel?

Yeah, let's start with that question.

I have many others, but let's start with that one.

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#76 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-03-19 12:23 AM | Reply

For starters... why do so many people seem to believe an admitted liar on a news channel?

He tells them what they want to hear? They probably loved Colbert back when he was channeling Bill O'Reilly.

#77 | Posted by REDIAL at 2023-03-19 12:31 AM | Reply


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"she said you like it now, but you'll love it later"

Wow.

fwiw, Robbie Robertson was a member of that ancient group... the Band.

"All lyrics are written by Robbie Robertson except where indicated."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthology_(The_Band_album)


YMMV...


#78 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-03-19 12:48 AM | Reply

"He tells them what they want to hear? They probably loved Colbert back when he was channeling Bill O'Reilly."

Yep.

Coupla things. First, I was just watching an episode of Democracy Now! where Jeremy Sachill was stating that the US flying UAVs in the Russian Special Military Operation zone was a provocation and indication of a proxy war.

Second, the World Socialist Website (this is true!) was praised by right-wing media for it's criticism of the 1619 project.

Both of these things should be immensely disturbing, as they suggest that the far left and the far right might not be that far apart. When segregated, they remain fringe elements. But history shows us what happens when they combine forces.

#79 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-03-19 01:47 AM | Reply

"For starters... why do so many people seem to believe an admitted liar on a news channel?"

People want to think that they are intelligent. And when a prominent media personality tells them what they want to hear, that is what they walk away with.

Bias is generally hard to fight through, even for those of us who are looking for a reason to do so.

#80 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-03-19 01:50 AM | Reply

Here's a nice compare/contrast:

"Sacramento Bee: "Another far-right speaker is coming to UC Davis. How should the community respond?"

Chicago Tribune: "UIC Students Will Protest Far-Right Speakers Charlie Kirk, Candace Owens Thursday."
Nebraska Examiner: "Provocateur Charlie Kirk's visit to Lincoln brings protesters, alleged vandalism."

The titles and implication are right there for readers to see: Charlie Kirk and Candace Owens aren't merely dubbed conservatives or podcast hosts. Instead, they're placed into the "far-right" category. And the third headline is also obvious in its bias: Kirk isn't named as the founder and president of Turning Point USA, a conservative student organization. No, instead he's a "provocateur" while actual vandalism is "alleged vandalism."
Let's compare the headlines Kirk and Owens received to the benign headlines written for liberal speakers on campus:
The Diamondback (University of Maryland): "UMD progressive student group hosts Our Revolution President Nina Turner."
CBS News: "Kamala Harris to deliver keynote address during Coast Guard commencement."

Well, that'sodd. There's no label attached to Nina Turner, a self-described Democratic socialist and staunch Bernie Sanders supporter, as being "far-left."
Or are any labels applied to Kamala Harris, who was the most liberal U.S. senator before becoming vice president, according to a 2019 ideology score by the non-partisan GovTrack. "

thehill.com

#81 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-03-19 10:37 AM | Reply

"Charlie Kirk and Candace Owens aren't merely dubbed conservatives or podcast hosts. Instead, they're placed into the "far-right" category."

They are far right.
Anyone who attends CPAC is far right.
You're far right.

#82 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-03-19 11:10 AM | Reply

If they are far right then Nina Turner and Kamala Harris are far left. Yet the scare labels are only applied in one direction, which is the point.

#83 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-03-19 11:24 AM | Reply

"For starters... why do so many people seem to believe an admitted liar on a news channel?"

In the future there will many theories and studies of this phenomenon in critical history classes around the world.

Except in Florida where studying it will be prohibited by law.

#84 | Posted by donnerboy at 2023-03-19 12:56 PM | Reply

"If they are far right then..."

^
The "bargaining" phase of the Kubler-Ross model.

#85 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-03-19 01:35 PM | Reply

Here is a statistical breakdown of how SNL has covered political figures since Biden has come into office:

www.outkick.com

That they didnt cover Sam Brinton is a gross act of comedic negligence.

#86 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-03-19 02:51 PM | Reply

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