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Friday, March 17, 2023

A new analysis of genetic samples from China appears to link the pandemic's origin to raccoon dogs.

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Where are the paste-eating dumfux who said COVID escaped from a lab?

#1 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2023-03-16 10:54 PM | Reply

Unless and until China fully cooperates with the WHO, then conclusions are suspect.

"China" "fully cooperates"

If you do not read those phrases in an article, to me the article is guesswork based upon incomplete evidence.


#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-03-16 11:06 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

escaped from a lab?

#1 | POSTED BY REINHEITSGEBOT

I can't figure out what they think it changes if it did.

#3 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2023-03-17 06:10 AM | Reply

If you do not read those phrases in an article, to me the article is guesswork based upon incomplete evidence.

Incorrect.

Let the scientists do the sciencing, you do whatever it is you do.

#4 | Posted by jpw at 2023-03-17 08:38 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

"guesswork based upon incomplete evidence."

Working with incomplete evidence doesn't make it guesswork. It also does not require one to eliminate all other possibilities before demonstrating what the available evidence indicates.

#5 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2023-03-17 09:18 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Lamp,

I'm sorry that my answer was a little curt. It was on my phone pre-coffee.

China's openness or lack thereof isn't really an issue when it comes to molecular or genomic evidence.

That is, unless you're planning on saying they planted material to obfuscate the lab source.

But I don't think that that's what you're saying.

#6 | Posted by jpw at 2023-03-17 02:19 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Another article with further details:

WHO calls on China to share data on raccoon dog link to pandemic. Here's what we know

March 17, 20232:04 PM ET

www.npr.org

This is the most likely source. Tests on surfaces in the area where the racoon dogs were came up positive for Sars-CoV-2.

#7 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2023-03-17 05:57 PM | Reply

Wasn't Racoon Dog the name of a Republican House Candidate this year?

#8 | Posted by Corky at 2023-03-17 10:16 PM | Reply

Racoon Dog is a Guardian of the Galaxy who travelled back in time to kick people's --- after they laughed too much at 'Trash Panda'.

Prove me wrong.

#9 | Posted by bored at 2023-03-17 10:55 PM | Reply

Sure Jan ...

#10 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2023-03-18 12:06 AM | Reply

I think we should be doing more investigations into the response rather than the cause. I think all the hubbub over the cause is just clowns looking to justify their screwing up so badly. Sure you can destroy a life form or a laboratory... but somewhere else another will pop up and do something similar.

Asians outnumber all other groups 7 to 1... soon to be 8 to 1.

#11 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2023-03-18 09:42 AM | Reply

@#6 ... I'm sorry that my answer was a little curt. ...

No prob.

I agree with what you said, i.e., "Let the scientists do the sciencing"

I am not doubting what the scientists are doing, indeed, I welcome it.

However, I still say that unless and until China fully cooperates, getting the full picture of what happened will be difficult, at best. Impossible, at worst.

Now, going back to the topic at hand.

I see this in an NPR article about it...

New COVID origins study links pandemic's beginning to animals, not a lab
www.pbs.org

...Other experts have not yet verified their analysis, which also has not appeared so far in a peer-reviewed journal. How the coronavirus first started sickening people remains uncertain.

"These data do not provide a definitive answer to how the pandemic began, but every piece of data is important to moving us closer to that answer," WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus at a Friday press briefing.

He also criticized China for not sharing the genetic information earlier, adding that "this data could have and should have been shared three years ago."

The samples were collected from surfaces at the Huanan seafood market in Wuhan after the first human cases of COVID-19 were found in late 2019.

Tedros said the genetic sequences were uploaded to the world's biggest public virus database in late January by scientists at the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention; the data have since been removed from the database....



So, while this new evidence does appear to add significantly to what we know about the origins of COVID-19, there is still more "sciencing" that needs to be done. Starting with peer-reviews of this data analysis.

#12 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-03-18 10:45 AM | Reply

@#12

Oops, it is a PBS NewsHour article, not NPR article.


#13 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-03-18 10:47 AM | Reply

The strongest evidence is none. Let's go with the most likely.

#14 | Posted by visitor_ at 2023-03-18 11:01 AM | Reply

Let's go with the most likely.

#14 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

If feels right then it must be right!

Said everyone who believed the earth was the center of the solar system and that the solar system WAS the universe.

#15 | Posted by donnerboy at 2023-03-18 11:26 AM | Reply

Did you not read the first sentence?

Occam's razor is a principle of theory construction or evaluation according to which, other things equal, explanations that posit fewer entities, or fewer kinds of entities, are to be preferred to explanations that posit more.

As to your comment Donner, when you give directions or need directions are they relative to some arbitrary center of the universe or relative to the sun, or to some point on earth?

#16 | Posted by visitor_ at 2023-03-18 12:25 PM | Reply

I have a question why was the Dept. of Energy putting in their two cents about where COVID-19 came from> They're not microbiologists, or the CDC. They're area of expertise is in energy not microbiology and virology. Also, they said they had low confidence in their assessment, so why say anything at all?

#17 | Posted by Ronnie68 at 2023-03-18 05:38 PM | Reply

"when you give directions or need directions are they relative ... "

I'm not the one lost in space, bro.

... .

so why say anything at all?

#17 | POSTED BY RONNIE68

To stir the pot and get us at each other's throats.

Your question is valid. But don't take the bait.

We may never know. Not with the way things are with China these days. We should be working on how to deal with the next one. Instead of trying to place blame for that last embarrassing ---- show. Maybe dig that old Obama pandemic playbook out of the trash and tune it up?

Nahhhh. That would make way too much sense. So let's waste our time investigating the investigators and arguing about who's to blame even though we can't prove anything.


#18 | Posted by donnerboy at 2023-03-18 06:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

@#17 ... They're area of expertise is in energy not microbiology and virology. ...

DOE Office of Science: Contributions to Microbiology Research
www.energy.gov

...The Department of Energy (DOE) supports microbiology research that helps us maintain energy security and a sustainable environment. The DOE Biological and Environmental Research (BER) program supports scientific research and facilities that seek to understand complex biological, earth, and environmental systems.

Beyond research funded at academic institutions and national laboratories, DOE BER supports two facilities that conduct microbiology research.

The Environmental Molecular Sciences Laboratory (EMSL) provides scientists access to tools and technologies to understand cellular processes and interactions. Researchers use this information to build models of biological systems.

The DOE Joint Genome Institute (JGI) sequences the genomes of microbes and microbial communities and provides a wide range of expertise and capabilities for microbiology and synthetic biology research....


#19 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-03-18 06:51 PM | Reply

The only animal link to COVID is Fauci and his sponsoring gain of function research in Wuhan and then lying about this fact when he highly suspected a lab leak. The reality is that Fauci AND THE CHINESE knew from Day 1 this was from the lab, was highly contagious, and that it was airborne. Fauci should have been honest and immediately called for a global travel ban on China and those traveling from China. The Chinese government knew these facts - which is why they banned domestic travel. They allowed international travel as they WANTED it to spread globally so they would not be the only ones blamed for covid...and thanks to liberals in the US, they have been successful.

#20 | Posted by Claudio at 2023-03-18 09:09 PM | Reply

{sigh}.
You are the reason shampoo has directions.

#21 | Posted by YAV at 2023-03-18 10:00 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

@#20 ... The only animal link to COVID is Fauci ...

Got links?

#22 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-03-18 10:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

@#20 ... when he highly suspected a lab leak. ...

Got links?

#23 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-03-18 10:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

@#20 ... The reality is that Fauci AND THE CHINESE knew from Day 1 this was from the lab ..

Reality?

Got links?

If it is "reality" then there should be links.

#24 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-03-18 10:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Fauci lied about GoF at Wuhan
Went into overdrive to try to kill the story of a lab leak
Still won't answer questions about what research went on there

His incompetence and lying with covid is only topped by his incompetence with HIV.

#25 | Posted by Claudio at 2023-03-18 11:50 PM | Reply

@#25 ... Fauci lied about GoF at Wuhan ...

Got a link?

... Went into overdrive to try to kill the story of a lab leak ...

Got a link?

... Still won't answer questions about what research went on there ...

Got a link?

But to that vacuous point...

Anthony Fauci says he will cooperate fully with possible House Republican investigation into Covid origins (November 2022)
www.cnbc.com

...White House chief medical advisor Dr. Anthony Fauci said he will fully cooperate with House Republicans if they launch an investigation into the origins of the Covid-19 pandemic....

What's yer point?

I mean really, I'm not gonna waste my time continuing to post links about the unsubstantiated assertions your current alias posts.

Do try harder. Really.

I mean really?

What's yer point?

Is your current alias trying to show how poor it is at discussions?


Yer up....

#26 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-03-19 12:03 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#20
Earth to Claudio ... Earth to Claudio ...

#27 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2023-03-19 07:36 AM | Reply

His incompetence and lying with covid is only topped by his incompetence with HIV.

#25 | POSTED BY CLAUDIO

In what way?

#28 | Posted by jpw at 2023-03-19 09:55 AM | Reply

At this point, it's impossible to determine whether SARS-CoV-2 has a biological or laboratory origin. The fascist Chinese government did too good a job covering up the initial outbreak, the source, and taking actions that not only did not contain it but actively spread it worldwide.

We don't know what that lab in Wuhan was working with. If it did have SARS-CoV-2 constructed there, it's been effectively covered up. And careless lab work can easily release things that shouldn't get out.

So "We found it in racoon dogs" isn't conclusive. And the virus could easily have a natural or man-made origin.

And it doesn't matter. What matters is that the Chinese government did exactly the wrong things to prevent it from becoming a pandemic, and did everything wrong after that. What matters is that the American government mishandled the response in unbelievably stupid ways.

We were too careful with the vaccine. Moderna mRNA-1273 was already developed by mid-January 2020, just days after we had the genetic sequence for the virus. But the cumbersome bureaucratic process for releasing new drugs meant that even emergency authorization took nearly a year, which gave a massive anti-vaxxer movement to develop. Had we truly fast-tracked the vaccine, we'd have had it in distribution by the end of spring, about the time people were getting really upset about shutdowns, and before variants really had a chance to evolve.

I wish I could say we learned from it and are ready for the next pandemic. But that didn't happen, so this will happen again.

#29 | Posted by DarkVader at 2023-03-19 11:55 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Uh, the raccoon dogs weren't infected. That's in p. 4 of the Times article. Also, this was in a story a year ago.

Only China is now saying the market was the origin. We now know 2 WIV researchers where sick in October. The market was just the first mass outbreak.

Where are the infected racoon dogs in nature? There aren't any. In fact, there is no natural origin other the bats from the WIV where they did GOLF on them to give them characteristics not found in bat flu, like the ACE-2 receptor for human lungs (the bat flu is gastro-intestinal) and furson cleavage sites for human cells only that don't occur in nature at all because of their ionic make-up.

#30 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2023-03-19 01:22 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#30 | Posted by HeliumRat

The Voice of Reason has barfed.

Case closed.

#31 | Posted by Angrydad at 2023-03-19 01:30 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#18 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

#29 | POSTED BY DARKVADER

100% agreed. There may be some value in knowing exactly how/where the disease started, in learning how to prevent and contain another outbreak. What we should really be committing our time and treasure to is better preparing ourselves for when, not if, the next pandemic hits. The only thing that saved us was COVID did not have a higher mortality rate.

#32 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2023-03-19 02:59 PM | Reply

What we should really be committing our time and treasure to is better preparing ourselves for when, not if, the next pandemic hits.

I agree. Fully funding the CDC would be a good step.

Trump's tax cut for himself is why Covid was able to run rampant.

In the end. It really is the TrumpVirus.

#33 | Posted by ClownShack at 2023-03-19 03:14 PM | Reply

So "We found it in racoon dogs" isn't conclusive.

So findings of SARS-CoV-2 in an intermediate host that would have been in the market are...inconclusive?

What is conclusive then?

And the virus could easily have a natural or man-made origin.

Why do people who know nothing about virology pontificate so loudly?

It could not have "easily" been "man-made" in origin. Quite literally all of the molecular and evolutionary data/evidence says it's not engineered.

The only way it was a lab leak was if a worker accidentally infected themselves with a natural virus they were isolating/characterizing.

#34 | Posted by jpw at 2023-03-19 03:18 PM | Reply

Only China is now saying the market was the origin.

No, there is evidence of both SARS2 in the market (found in animal containing stalls...) very early on and clusters of cases associated with the market.

The market is central.

We now know 2 WIV researchers where sick in October.

Two people with a flu-like illness in October...hhmmmmmm...must have been COVID.../s

Where are the infected racoon dogs in nature? There aren't any. In fact, there is no natural origin other the bats from the WIV where they did GOLF on them to give them characteristics not found in bat flu, like the ACE-2 receptor for human lungs (the bat flu is gastro-intestinal) and furson cleavage sites for human cells only that don't occur in nature at all because of their ionic make-up.

#30 | POSTED BY HELIUMRAT

I've already shot all this -------- to hell before.

Stop repeating what you clearly don't understand or even really know (there are multiple basic errors in the above).

#35 | Posted by jpw at 2023-03-19 03:20 PM | Reply

JPW,

FYI Douchehurts called you a " white christian nationalist violent extremist", more accurately a supporter of " white christian nationalist violent extremist"

white christian nationalist violent extremist

#36 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-03-19 03:21 PM | Reply

What?

#37 | Posted by jpw at 2023-03-19 03:24 PM | Reply

#37. On the AR15 pin thread. You have an AR, right?

#38 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-03-19 03:40 PM | Reply

It's the preferred weapon of white christian nationalist violent extremists, which means you support that, according to his "logic."

Anyway, sorry for derailing this thread.

#39 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-03-19 03:42 PM | Reply

Extremely flawed logic.
Poor attempt at trolling.
Semi-creative.

Rating: 2 out of 10.

#40 | Posted by YAV at 2023-03-19 09:35 PM | Reply

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