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The Army is moving forward with renaming bases that for decades have honored Confederate rebels who waged war against the United States largely to protect and expand the slave trade.

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...Those new designations are set to be mostly wrapped up in the summer with Fort Pickett, Virginia, being renamed Fort Barfoot on Friday and most other posts set to have name changes by early June.

The new names are part of a larger effort by the Pentagon to scrub references to Confederate military leaders and commemoration of rebel victories. The congressionally mandated Naming Commission, a committee formed to examine all Confederate references across the military, recommended nine Army bases for redesignation.

Those bases were founded long after the Civil War, between the early- and mid-twentieth century -- an era in which the bulk of Confederate monuments were erected as Southern states enacted laws disenfranchising Black Americans.

The next redesignation will be Fort Rucker, Alabama, home of the Army's aviation training, on April 20. The base will be renamed after Chief Warrant Officer 4 Michael Novosel Sr., a veteran of World War II and the Korean and Vietnam wars. He was awarded the Medal of Honor in Vietnam after he flew his helicopter into heavy gunfire during 15 medical evacuations in a single battle, saving 29 soldiers. His helicopter was heavily damaged, and he was also shot while flying.

On April 27, Fort Lee, Virginia, will be redesignated Fort Gregg-Adams, a name that references two trailblazing Black officers: Lt. Gen. Arthur Gregg, the first Black soldier to rise to three-star general in the logistics field; and Lt. Col. Charity Adams, the first Black officer in the Women's Army Auxiliary Corps, the component of the Army where women served when units were still segregated by gender. Gregg, 94, would be the only living person to have an Army post named after him.

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#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-03-26 02:50 PM | Reply

Looks like them Duke boys are at it again!

#2 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-03-26 02:58 PM | Reply

I'd like to see one named for High C. Thompson, Jr. An army chopper pilot, Thompson landed at My Lai during the massacre, ordered his crew to open fire on any American soldier who made a move toward a group of Vietnamese civilians whom he then proceeded to rescue.

#3 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2023-03-26 03:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Of course we could go to far with those whole effort to erase any honor given to anyone who was part of the confederacy.

For example are we going to demonize Mark -----?

#4 | Posted by Tor at 2023-03-26 10:46 PM | Reply

#4 Posted by Tor

Why Sam Clemens ?

#5 | Posted by rhymegunfighter at 2023-03-26 10:54 PM | Reply

Take a guess.

#6 | Posted by Tor at 2023-03-26 11:11 PM | Reply

History happened. Erasing the parts we don't like is not helping to move forward.

Many confederates became more aware of what happened after the war. They felt remorse,Sam Clemens among them.

It's against the law to deny Nazi crimes in Germany.

Forgetting is not tolerated there.

The South in many areas is too Ra Ra about the war. Too in love with the past.

They should be confronted and the public display of confederate public monuments ended.

But history should never be erased. Combat speech with more speech.

Not repression and denial.

That creates the very monsters of Vainglory and ethnic pride that are being exposed and atoned for.

#7 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2023-03-26 11:47 PM | Reply

But history should never be erased.

Who's trying to erase our history, particularly a time ruled by repression and racism?

Oh yeah, forgot, Conservatives.

#8 | Posted by zarnon at 2023-03-26 11:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#8 Exactly what I was going to say; nobody is erasing history, but honors should not be given, and honored places should not be named for traitors to this country. Germany did it correctly; they removed the swastika from public view, and displaying it will get you fined and perhaps arrested. You can still visit the death camps if you want to live history, but no Jewish person should have to drive on Hitler Blvd or check their mail at the Himler Post Office.

#9 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2023-03-27 12:10 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

History is constantly being rewritten.

Florida is cutting slavery out of American history.

Rosa Parks was just some uppity busybody.

#10 | Posted by ClownShack at 2023-03-27 02:25 AM | Reply

CLOWN

You might call DeSantis attack on education, K thru state college, is his version of Nazi re-education camps.

Tenured professors are quitting because of it. Which probably suits DeSantis just fine. The fewer troublemakers the better from his point of view.

#11 | Posted by Twinpac at 2023-03-27 03:13 AM | Reply

" You might call DeSantis attack on education, K thru state college, is his version of Nazi re-education camps."

This is why people like DeSantis succeed in pushing and implementing an agenda. Plenty of legitimate criticism for the cultural issues he's pushing. But his critics won't do that - he has to be cast as Hitler reincarnated.

#12 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-03-27 03:19 AM | Reply

Memorials to anybody that serves A Confederacy really should be judged on a individual basis by historians rather than by a howling mob of thugs fools idiots and Vandals.

President Grant's Memorial in California shouldn't have been touched by savages.

#13 | Posted by Tor at 2023-03-27 09:13 AM | Reply

Take a guess.

#6 | POSTED BY TOR

Because some of the common words and phrases at the time of his writings, made it into his books?

Clemens was in the Militia for 5 minutes and didn't care for it. Age 26.
His father owned slaves at one time. He didn't care much for that either.

www.greatfallstribune.com

#15 | Posted by randomcanyon at 2023-03-27 10:24 AM | Reply

According to modern hyper PC logic that makes Mark ----- a slave owner and he deserves to not be remembered and anyone owning his books is a fan of slavery.

#16 | Posted by Tor at 2023-03-27 10:52 AM | Reply

But his critics won't do that - he has to be cast as Hitler reincarnated.

#12 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Hitler is an historical example. A standard by which other evils are now measured.

If you are evil enough to be compared with Hitler then you deserve what you get. Stop acting like Hitler and stop being that evil.

But I doubt that harsh criticism of DeSatan and a few critics comparing him with Hitler had anything to do with his electability or someone's decision to vote for him. Unless of course that someone is a Nazi themself.

#17 | Posted by donnerboy at 2023-03-27 12:17 PM | Reply

#17 He won re-election by 20 points. According to you, that means a majority of Floridians are Nazi's.

Also, just stop with the Hitler comparisons. You greatly diminish the true atrocities of the Holocaust when you do so.

When people do that it puts them near the category of Holocaust denier.

#18 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-03-27 12:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Also, just stop with the Hitler comparisons. You greatly diminish the true atrocities of the Holocaust when you do so."

Just proves morons like that never really cared about the Holocaust. They just use it as an excuse to accuse someone of being a Nazi.

They think it's either funny or it that others care about the Nazi reference. That it scares people.

and if you disagree then YOU are a Nazi as well.

It's the equivilant of 5th grade.


#19 | Posted by eberly at 2023-03-27 12:29 PM | Reply

According to you, that means a majority of Floridians are Nazi's.

According to me?

I never called DeSatan a Nazi. Or Hitler.

I was just addressing and debunking your "his critics " stawman argument.

And now I am debasing the Holocaust? Wow.

But don't mind me. Do carry on with your complaints about Hitler and DeSatan and the Holocaust.

But just a reminder this is a thread about army bases changing their names so as to not accidentally honor the traitors of the Lost Cause.

#20 | Posted by donnerboy at 2023-03-27 12:42 PM | Reply

"According to me?
I never called DeSatan a Nazi. Or Hitler."

It sure came across that way in #17.

#21 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-03-27 12:44 PM | Reply

It sure came across that way in #17.

#21 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Sometimes we see what we want to see.

That's why reading comprehension is fundamental to actual understanding.

#24 | Posted by donnerboy at 2023-03-27 12:59 PM | Reply

Does anyone know why Samuel Clemens pen name is censored?

#25 | Posted by Tor at 2023-03-27 01:14 PM | Reply

"History happened. Erasing the parts we don't like is not helping to move forward."

So you're saying erasing Six Grandfathers didn't help America move forward?

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-03-27 02:11 PM | Reply

As to responding towards the top, and the reference to Mark ----- (Samuel Clemens).
All literature, as with all art, are a 'sign of their times'. They were written
in a certain era of history, and should be remembered and read, with that in mind.

They should not be banned, for valuable lessons can be learned an discussed on why
and how things have changed since then. Besides, ----- did not write pro-racist screed,
but art, reflecting the vernacular of the time.

But the Armed Services ARE correct to rename the bases. For these WERE named after
Confederate Leaders in a purely racial motive to both uplift the Old South, and to
serve as a constant reminder to 'people of color' of their supposed, subservient place.

i.e. racist as hell.

#27 | Posted by earthmuse at 2023-03-27 02:36 PM | Reply

" That's why reading comprehension is fundamental to actual understanding."

True. Clear and unambiguous articulation is also fundamental to actual understanding.

#28 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-03-27 02:38 PM | Reply

Also, just stop with the Hitler comparisons. You greatly diminish the true atrocities of the Holocaust when you do so.

When people do that it puts them near the category of Holocaust denier.

#18 | Posted by BellRinger

Trump is just a less successful hitler. Just as evil, only more stupid.

You don't care about the holocaust. You just dont want people to learn that your party is following the playbook that lead to it.

#29 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2023-03-27 03:03 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

#29. Right. We are inching toward a regime of mass slaughter to the tune of 6 million people.

This is idiotic.

#30 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-03-27 03:35 PM | Reply

#29. Right. We are inching toward a regime of mass slaughter to the tune of 6 million people.

This is idiotic.

#30 | Posted by BellRinger

Yes if we let your party keep marching towards the fascist destruction of democracy that's where it could lead.

Because morons like you keep voting for them.

#31 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2023-03-27 03:53 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Hitler is the gold standard of evil. There was a time when the name was considered a weak argument but not any more. Now Trump is acting like the ghost of Hitler and the GOP is acting like the Third Reich incarnated.

Hitler created "enemy of the people." How many times have we heard that phrase from Trump? He's become a mirror image of one of the most sociopathic killers in history. Given the opportunity, both Trump and the GOP will do everything in their power to succeed where Hitler failed. Especially the GOP. The Trumps of the world will come and go but the GOP intends to hold onto their "Reich" forever.

#32 | Posted by Twinpac at 2023-03-27 11:00 PM | Reply

Having spent 3 decades + in a US Navy career, I paid little attention to the names of Army bases like Fort Pickett, Fort Benning, Fort Hood, Fort Rucker, Fort Bragg, Fort Gordon, Fort Polk.I didn't even realize these were named after Confederate generals.
I think most of them were in southern states, but the Posts' namesakes had no relevance other than what functions happened there during my career.

But reflecting back on who these baded were named after, and it would seem better to name some of those forts after planets, or Roman gods then after the confederate people that some of these forts were named for. I just found out that Fort Polk was not named after President Polk, but after Confederate General Polk, who is the military career was distinguished by defeat after defeat. And why name any US military base after Pickett? (Would the British or their adversaries ever name of Fort after the Light Brigade?)

I think Confed Gen. Bragg stopped Rosenkrans at Chattanooga, but should any fort be named after Bragg? Why?

I'm not denying that some of these namesakes had courage of conviction, even if their conviction was in favor of slavery and prejudice. But forts should be named after unifying models of virtue, character and national unity.

#33 | Posted by Augustine at 2023-03-28 12:25 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I didn't even realize these were named after Confederate generals. "

Actually many of us didn't. Not at the time we served.

But that's how clever this type of subtle propaganda is. When it's always been there right in front of you and everywhere you go you think it's just normal. Until you actually think about it and realize it is not.

Like my old tai chi teacher used to always say, "You must realize!"

At the time I thought she was just a bit crazy. Now that I do realize. I realize it wasn't her that was crazy. It is the ones that never do ... realize anything.

#34 | Posted by donnerboy at 2023-03-28 01:17 AM | Reply

Hitler is the gold standard of evil.

#32 | POSTED BY TWINPAC

The difference between Hitler and the people running the US is that he pushed the natives out of sight, out of mind, and into death camps to the east, whereas the people running the US did it to the west.

If he had achieved his goals and Germany was unchecked for 200 years I think it would look exactly like the US does now.

#35 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2023-03-28 08:53 AM | Reply

Why is renaming the bases controversial?

There are no shortage of suitable candidate names. And even an enemy proved sufficiently savvy to warrant perrenial recognition, then name a center of excellence after the person.

I don't think any western tanker would object to a Heinz Guderian school of Armor, given the man's exploits as a tank commander. Despite the fact that he was an adversary at one time.

#36 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-03-28 03:25 PM | Reply

He won re-election by 20 points. According to you, that means a majority of Floridians are Nazi's

Are you suggesting Hitler didn't have support of Germans or that electoral support means an authoritarian isn't a concern?

#37 | Posted by jpw at 2023-03-28 04:18 PM | Reply

"He won re-election by 20 points. According to you, that means a majority of Floridians are Nazi's"

Yes, that's precisely what they mean.

Reference to Hitler, the Nazi Party, they are saying Trump, DeSantis, and anybody who voted for them...and even anybody on this blog who hurt their feelings regardless of who they voted for.....IS A NAZI.

If they can't say it, then I'll put the words right into their spinless mouths.

#38 | Posted by eberly at 2023-03-28 04:22 PM | Reply

Says the spineless jellyfish.

#39 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2023-03-28 05:33 PM | Reply

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