Fox News Pushed False New York Post Story

Sunday, May 21, 2023

A New York Post story claiming that 20 homeless veterans had been kicked out of hotels in upstate New York to make room for migrants and was later spotlit on Fox News turned out was a lie. Without fact-checking the story or reaching out to the accused hotels for comment, Fox News' Laura Ingraham highlighted it with a chyron that read "New York City Puts Illegals Ahead of Veterans," while Republicans raged at Biden, with Nikki Haley calling it "liberal insanity at work." However, reporting by local outlet the Mid-Hudson News not only found holes in the Post's story, but what appears to be outright fraud, with homeless men telling the Hudson Valley paper they were given food and money to pose as veterans and claim they'd been displaced by migrants at the Crossroads Hotel in the town of Newburgh, New York.

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That's a shame.
Homeless veterans need to get jobs.
They knew the risks when they signed up.

#1 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-05-21 09:30 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

All they do is lie.
Lie upon lie upon lie upon lie.
They should have their license revoked.

#2 | Posted by YAV at 2023-05-21 09:34 AM | Reply

They should have their license revoked.

#2 | POSTED BY YAV

Fixed News paid perfectly good money for that License to Lie.

#3 | Posted by donnerboy at 2023-05-21 10:59 AM | Reply

Right wing outlets in general ran this with only one side's word.

#4 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2023-05-21 11:03 AM | Reply

Lying is what Fox News and Murdoch media do. And gullible suckers eat it up.

#5 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2023-05-21 11:53 AM | Reply

The only thing worse than Fox News lying to millions is the utter stupidity of those millions that unquestioningly believe them. Every teacher who tried their best to teach the unteachables is saddened by thrir own failure which was inevitable considering the level of stupidity they were dealing with. I don't blame those teachers, you can't turn morons into thinking adults with the skills necessary to question the Fox News liars. I swear, sometimes I hear Republicans talking politics totally unaware of how stupid they sound and it just makes mr fear for the future of this country.

#6 | Posted by danni at 2023-05-21 11:55 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

A typical faux outrage story, just as common coming from the left as the right.

The New York Post reporter interviewed a person he believed to be credible from past association with her charity. She was the the owner of an established non-profit for veterans, and she alone created this elaborate hoax. She provided receipts and at one point, even hired homeless people to pretend to be evicted veterans. The hotel in question refused to comment for the original story, Pete. Plenty of news stories get published every day with less due diligence from the left and the right. Once the story went viral (covered by numerous media outlets, not just "righties") The hotel broke their silence and the reporter followed up and reported the hoax. Fox and other outlets followed suit with retractions. What more do you want?

The only liar here is the woman who fabricated the whole mess. Considering her propensity to manufacture evidence, somebody should be looking into her books.

#7 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2023-05-21 12:59 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

--------, clown.

#8 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2023-05-21 01:25 PM | Reply

"just as common coming from the left as the right."

Still trying to prove both sides are the same?

Good luck with that. Fixed News has already proven they are the best liars in the market.

~800 million times better than their nearest competitor at lying!

#9 | Posted by donnerboy at 2023-05-21 01:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#9 - a thousand times THAT! Exactly true, factual, and accurate though the 800 million times might be a bit high.

The only liar here is the woman who fabricated the whole mess. Considering her propensity to manufacture evidence, somebody should be looking into her books.

LMAO! Apparently doing the very basic of fact-checking and having more than a single source for a claim has been ignored by the right for so long that they have no idea what basic journalistic standards are. They just ran with an absurd on its face fabricated story. They RUN on confirmation bias as their operating principle. Then when caught it's "Oh we're just victims of this liar! Poor us!"

#10 | Posted by YAV at 2023-05-21 01:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"A typical faux outrage story, just as common coming from the left as the right."

Link please.

#11 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-05-21 02:29 PM | Reply

" The only liar here is the woman who fabricated the whole mess."

The lie is useless without amplification.

And when you ignore the basic premise of reporting, you shouldn't be surprised when you don't end up with journalism.

#12 | Posted by Danforth at 2023-05-21 03:42 PM | Reply

#11 The faux outrage story is the original story, ya know the one that didn't really happen but everybody got all outraged over it. Yeah, the left does this too. I debunk those stories on here all the time.

#10 "LMAO! Apparently doing the very basic of fact-checking and having more than a single source for a claim has been ignored by the right for so long that they have no idea what basic journalistic standards are"

So only the right does this? I could post a million links for single source stories put out by the left but I don't have the time or inclination. Yes, BOTH sides do it and have always done it. Never heard the expression, "Don't let the facts get in the way"? or
"Quick, get this to press before the turth comes out!"

#9 "Still trying to prove both sides are the same?"
Nope, both sides aren't the same. Every situation, every news source is different. There isn't much point in arguing over which "side" is worse. What does whining, "they do it more than we do!!!" accomplish? More useless "Us vs Them" banter?

#12 Yes, you are correct. The lie was amplified by dozens of outlets, not just the right wing ones.

I'm not defending right wing media, Just saying the premise that the left wing media is any more responsible is absurd. You should read every story with a critical eye. We need to hold the media more accountable, ALL of them.

#13 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2023-05-21 04:59 PM | Reply

The lie was made.

People heard it as the truth.

Any retraction or correction is useless.

It's already a narrative for too many people who have proven time and time again, they will never change their minds about anything.

#14 | Posted by ClownShack at 2023-05-21 05:23 PM | Reply

#14 I agree
Here are some interesting links concerning retracted stories
www.washingtonpost.com
www.poynter.org
retractionwatch.com

#15 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2023-05-21 06:10 PM | Reply

"#12 Yes, you are correct. The lie was amplified by dozens of outlets, not just the right wing ones."

Well, if that doesn't excuse the liars for not vetting claims before reporting, nothing does.

#16 | Posted by Danforth at 2023-05-21 07:27 PM | Reply

"What is it that attracts these types to Trump specifically? I believe that he, more than any other candidate on offer, represents the archetypal abusive father figure with whom many of them have a masochistic and sexually charged relationship. Having been abused himself as a child, Trump now transmits abuse to others. The Trump base, disproportionately conservative and religious fundamentalist, is also likely to have been the subject of punitive and authoritarian upbringings; rather than making a clean break with the sickness, they keep replicating it in their lives. Their slave-like loyalty to Trump is a form of masochism towards the angry yet protective family patriarch."

I'm surprised Miranda7 has a problem with this.
This describes most every White person she's ever policed.
Maybe there weren't any Whites on her beat, but I doubt it.

What they see in Trump is their understanding of what power means.

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-05-21 07:33 PM | Reply

"Scholars studying the conspiracy theories these people fall for sometimes belabor the issue of whether they really "believe" such crackpot notions. Whether they believe is probably unknowable, but that is less important than the fact that loudly saying they believe it creates endless friction with relatives, co-workers, and neighbors. Being abrasive, if not actually threatening, gives them a sense of identity and attention they would otherwise lack."

"gives them a sense of identity and attention they would otherwise lack."

Which is also what the Proud Boys do.

Bundling together a bunch of disparate aggrieved groups with a single demagogue's political movement is the origin of the word Fascism.

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-05-21 07:38 PM | Reply

"The real glue between Trump and his devotees is his endless assurances that their lot in life is not the result of their own laziness, irresponsibility or failure to seek counseling. No, they are innocent victims, endlessly picked on by elitists, socialists and foreigners. These sinister groups are constantly changing according to expediency, but the point is to keep his acolytes in a constant state of agitation."

Been saying this for years too.
These are the people who aren't in the top 20% of households.
Obama was right about them clinging to their guns and their religion.
Trump offers them revenge.

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-05-21 07:44 PM | Reply

There isn't much point in arguing over which "side" is worse. What does whining, "they do it more than we do!!!" accomplish? More useless "Us vs Them" banter?

It's not that "they are doing it more or better than we do"

Democrats would never take away basic human rights like a winch's right to abortion or same sex marriages or whatever better than Republicans. And they don't attempt to over throw election results more or better than Republicans do.

The democrats are not doing these things at all.

Events like Jan 6th prove the folly of the "whats the point" theory. As would all the Trumpy episodes of constitutional crisis after crisis we have had to live thru for the last 5 years if you were paying attention.

When one side supports a lie of the magnitude of the Big Lie and with the kind of repercussions we have had to face and with the importance of the upcoming election I think it's time to sit up and pay attention to who is telling the truth and consider which "side" you support.

I believe the point is not letting them get away with all the lies in pursuit of power and money and never letting us all forget that they tried.

#20 | Posted by donnerboy at 2023-05-21 07:57 PM | Reply

I see that Siri turned women into winches.

Thx Siri. That was so helpful!

#21 | Posted by donnerboy at 2023-05-21 07:58 PM | Reply

#13 | POSTED BY MIRANDA7

Your hyperbole is truly unconvincing.

#22 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2023-05-21 08:20 PM | Reply

"Fox News has confirmed" was stated over and over with this story, to ridiculous levels of detail after detail in this story - when they never confirmed a damn thing.

Fox News doesn't correct or retract, either.

All you managed to do is shoot yourself in your own damn foot by citing corrections by legitimate media.

Your "both sides" is complete and utter crap and anyone with even a modicum of intelligence and critical thinking skills knows it.

#23 | Posted by YAV at 2023-05-21 10:57 PM | Reply

I just assume all fox stories are false at this point. There are 787.5 million reasons to no longer give any credence to a word they report.

#24 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2023-05-22 01:12 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Fox News doesn't correct or retract, either.
All you managed to do is shoot yourself in your own damn foot by citing corrections by legitimate media.
Your "both sides" is complete and utter crap and anyone with even a modicum of intelligence and critical thinking skills knows it.

#23 | POSTED BY YAV AT 2023-05-21 10:57 PM | FLAG:
(CHOOSE)

Steele Dossiere?
Hunter's laptop?

Which left wing sources did you suck those false stories from?

#25 | Posted by fishpaw at 2023-05-22 10:56 AM | Reply

You live in a world of nonsense and lies Fishpaw. A day doesn't go by that you don't quote at least one lie on here. Your opinion is worthless to me. Just like you just did in #25.

#26 | Posted by YAV at 2023-05-22 12:39 PM | Reply

#26 Did the Steele Dossier get press and you believed it? Yes
Did the Hunter laptop Russian disinformation story spread on left wing media and you believed it? Sure did and yesiree!

#27 | Posted by fishpaw at 2023-05-22 01:00 PM | Reply

#26 Did the Steele Dossier get press and you believed it? Yes

Which parts of the Steele Dossier have been proven false?
I've asked this question a dozen times.
Never once has a Right-Winger answered.

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-05-22 01:05 PM | Reply

"Did the Steele Dossier get press and you believed it? "

And how do you know what we believed?

The Steele Dossier got press because it was part of a larger story.

I believe that some of it is true and some of it is not. It became a bigger story because Republicans falsely claimed it was the basis of the FBI investigation.

It was not.

"Did the Hunter laptop Russian disinformation story spread on left wing media and you believed it?"

I am not sure what to believe regarding the Hunter laptop stories. There was no chain of custody so nothing can be proven anymore. Any theory is as good as another when there is no proof.

#29 | Posted by donnerboy at 2023-05-22 01:18 PM | Reply

#29 No chain of custody? You might want to tell Hunter himself who said it was his and his attorney who emailed the shop owner himself telling him to give him Hunter's laptop. Or Hunter for suing the owner for releasing the info. But maybe Hunter is high and didn't remember right along with his attorney. What do you think? What is right in the Dossier? That Putin had a pee tape? Is that why he waited for Trump to leave office before he attacked Ukraine? Because if Trump stopped him he would show the Pee tape?

#30 | Posted by fishpaw at 2023-05-22 01:37 PM | Reply

You might want to tell Hunter himself who said it was his

In reality he said he didn't know if it was his.

But maybe Hunter is high and didn't remember

Certainly can't rule that out.

#31 | Posted by REDIAL at 2023-05-22 01:55 PM | Reply

#31 Confusing since he's suing the shop owner for releasing the info. If it's not his he should cancel the suit.

#32 | Posted by fishpaw at 2023-05-22 02:02 PM | Reply

Chain of custody has nothing to do with Hunter being the owner (if he is).
It has to do with all the hands that it was transferred to and from before being used as evidence.
If the chain is broken at any point, evidence is viewed as garbage or suspect.

It's just stupid to even entertain the premise when the person trying to assert it isn't aware of what the terms mean.

#33 | Posted by YAV at 2023-05-22 02:05 PM | Reply

#33 It's even dumber to think that the reason the FBI won't release the original laptop's hard drive is because it would prove Hunter and his family's innocence. Or that the emails to and from Hunter's business partner were manufactured even though his business partner said they were genuine.
This gets me to my original point on this site.
People like you claim Fox news lies but your networks don't when you yourself have been proven to be a liar based on what you believe from your networks.

#34 | Posted by fishpaw at 2023-05-22 02:14 PM | Reply

"You might want to tell Hunter himself who said it was his and his attorney who emailed the shop owner himself telling him to give him Hunter's laptop."

Link? It's my understanding that he sued for invasion of privacy but you do your conspiracy theories and I will stick to what is actually known.

And I will let you handle telling Hunter whatever it is you want to tell him. I am not as invested in any particular outcome to this story.

Hunter Biden is not running for any public office as far as I know so I am not any more concerned with him than I was about Jimmy Carter's brother Billy and how much he made off his Billy Beer.

#35 | Posted by donnerboy at 2023-05-22 02:18 PM | Reply

People like you claim Fox news lies but your networks don't when you yourself have been proven to be a liar based on what you believe from your networks.

#34 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

Except for the fact that you have "proven" no such thing.

#36 | Posted by donnerboy at 2023-05-22 02:20 PM | Reply

Oh, there are going to be multiple lawsuits coming out of this little stunt:

Assemblyman Brian Maher (R-Montgomery) spent the last week claiming that 20 veterans were kicked out of a hotel to make way for an influx of migrants being brought up from NYC. On Thursday afternoon, he admitted that the whole situation was a series of lies.

Last Friday Maher teamed up with Sharon Toney-Finch of the YIT Foundation who told him that a number of veterans were being displaced as a result of arriving migrants. Together, the two began a campaign of denouncing the Crossroads Hotel in the Town of Newburgh where the veterans were allegedly staying. Toney-Finch, the director of the YIT Foundation, said she had housed 20 veterans at the Crossroads but the homeless veterans were told last Thursday night that they needed to check out on Friday. That has been denied by hotel management. Maher was steadfast in supporting Finch. Last Friday he denounced the hotel by name and used the incident, debunked by Mid-Hudson News, to attack the federal government's management of the migrant/asylum-seeker crisis. He also used the false situation to introduce legislation to prohibit the displacement of homeless veterans to make way for migrants.

midhudsonnews.com

#37 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2023-05-22 03:56 PM | Reply

Is that why he waited for Trump to leave office before he attacked Ukraine? Because if Trump stopped him he would show the Pee tape?

#30 | Posted by fishpaw

No it's because putin expected his puppet to break up NATO for him and then invade whoever he wants.

#38 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2023-05-22 05:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

People like you claim Fox news lies but your networks don't when you yourself have been proven to be a liar based on what you believe from your networks.

#34 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

It's not a CLAIM anymore. It's in writing, from fox news hosts and executives. They knew they were lying to you morons and they did it because they knew that if they told you the truth, you fascist babies would change the channel to someone who WOULD lie to them, and fox would lose money.

#39 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2023-05-22 05:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

People like you claim Fox news lies but your networks don't

What's the CNN equivalent of feeding the lie 2020 was stolen? Not just once

Again, a lie. A deliberate falsehood.

Then repeating the same lie through their news hosts, Fox did it 800 times in 2 weeks for reference.

Last, refusing to admit the lie when being told by the aggrieved party 3,600 times as Dominion did.

I'll spot you trying to produce the equivalent texts between the parties. Just the above will do.

Chop. Chop.

#40 | Posted by zarnon at 2023-05-22 09:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" Well, if that doesn't excuse the liars for not vetting claims before reporting, nothing does.

#16 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2023-05-21 07:27 PM | FLAG: "

I never said it did.

"Your "both sides" is complete and utter crap and anyone with even a modicum of intelligence and critical thinking skills knows it.

#23 | POSTED BY YAV AT 2023-05-21 10:57 PM | FLAG: "

Your "one side lies constantly and the other side is trustworthy and reliable". Is utter crap. Anyone with a modicum of intelligence and critical thinking skills knows it.

#41 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2023-05-22 10:08 PM | Reply

Is that why he waited for Trump to leave office before he attacked Ukraine? Because if Trump stopped him he would show the Pee tape?

#30 | Posted by fishpaw

No it's because putin expected his puppet to break up NATO for him and then invade whoever he wants.

Exactly. Speaking of which, Putin knows the only way he can win in Ukraine is to get tRump installed in the WH again.

Have you seen Putin's ban list of people that are denied entry to Russia? Anyone that ever said anything that might be construed as mean to tRump - including Brad Raffensperger, LMAO!

Talk about Putin's puppet! It is so blatantly obvious what's going on and why. You'd have to be a special brand of stupid to vote for tRump ever again. Actually you're a special brand of stupid to vote Republican.

#42 | Posted by YAV at 2023-05-22 10:11 PM | Reply

Your "one side lies constantly and the other side is trustworthy and reliable". Is utter crap. Anyone with a modicum of intelligence and critical thinking skills knows it.

Facts are facts, truth is truth. You advocate for lies. You cover for deciet. Fox "news" is a propaganda organization that has lied and lied and lied. In this story they repeatedly lied and said "Fox News confirms" each point of this lie.

Having said that, thanks for copying/pasting my words verbatim and using them as a suffix for a truly idiotic brain dead attempt at a rejoinder. It does make my original post look even better.

#43 | Posted by YAV at 2023-05-22 10:20 PM | Reply

Yav,

Left leaning media lie all of the time. They act as PR agents for left-wing activism and the Democratic Party.

Fox News? Yeah, they suck too and are an absolute tire fire right now.

I diversify where I consume my news. I still get news from mainstream outlets but I don't limit myself to that. Not by a long shot.

#44 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-05-22 10:36 PM | Reply

You lie constantly on here. You are decimated daily by facts. You can't tell the difference between a lie and truth, facts and fantasy. There is literally nothing you post that I take to be truthful or accurate. Nothing.

#45 | Posted by YAV at 2023-05-22 10:40 PM | Reply

You regard your personal opinions as absolute fact. It's actually pretty hilarious to watch how seriously you take yourself. That and your ridiculous histrionics.

#46 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-05-22 10:48 PM | Reply

"There is literally nothing you post that I take to be truthful or accurate. Nothing."

2+2=4

Accurate?

#47 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-05-22 10:49 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#47

So you're just looking for validation?

Lulz

#48 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2023-05-22 10:58 PM | Reply

"You advocate for lies."
Nope, I didn't and I don't. Here goes your imagination again Yav.
"You cover for deciet."
Nope, I didnt do that either, but you believe what you want to believe
"thanks for copying/pasting my words verbatim"
Your welcome
"truly idiotic brain dead attempt at a rejoinder"
Truly idiotic brain dead is anyone who believes that only one "side" is responsible for the -------- we call news media in America today.

I understand your skepticism about Fox, I really do, but if you really think the Liberal media outlets are not lying to you, or publishing poorly vetted stories, you are truly naive to the point of being dangerous.

And, even if you concede they are lying to you sometimes, just not as much as Fox, does that really make it okay with you?

#49 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2023-05-22 11:01 PM | Reply

#49 | POSTED BY MIRANDA7

Examples. Just provide examples that are in line with the harm committed by Fox, leading to defamation lawsuits settled for hundreds of billions of dollars.

Provide just one example tantamount to Fox peddling the Bug Election lie that led to numerous deaths of Jan 6th.

Keep in mind, MIRANDA, Fox peddled the Big Lie right influenced by Trump's refusal to concede the election. Fox stepped up to the plate to support Trump's decision to not concede.

Had Trump simply conceded the election, just like every other losing POTUS candidate in history, Ashli Babbitt would still be alive and Tucker Carlson would still be on the air.

WTF do you have against poor Ashli Babbitt?

#50 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2023-05-22 11:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Keep in mind RUSTY, this thread is about the Homeless Vets motel story. My comments are about that story, which was a hoax, perpetrated by a woman in New York, as opposed to a lie, perpetrated by Fox News.

But YOU want to drag several other topics into this conversation, which I've never posted about or expressed any opinion on,, and assign me as your opponent? Sorry not interested.

#51 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2023-05-22 11:23 PM | Reply

"2+2=4. Accurate?"

Knowing your posting history, it'd probably be on a thread about ternary numeral systems.

#52 | Posted by Danforth at 2023-05-22 11:32 PM | Reply

Sorry not interested.
#51 | POSTED BY MIRANDA7

Yes you are. That's why you responded.

#53 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2023-05-22 11:45 PM | Reply

You regard your personal opinions as absolute fact. It's actually pretty hilarious to watch how seriously you take yourself. That and your ridiculous histrionics.

#46 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

You talking about a Lumper? Just sayin.

#54 | Posted by oneironaut at 2023-05-22 11:53 PM | Reply

Your "one side lies constantly and the other side is trustworthy and reliable". Is utter crap. Anyone with a modicum of intelligence and critical thinking skills knows it.

So prove it.

Let me put up my challenge again. Since the lie is so easy to disprove, this should be a snap for you.

What's the CNN equivalent of feeding the lie 2020 was stolen?

Again, a lie. A deliberate falsehood.

Then repeating the same lie through their news hosts, Fox did it 800 times in 2 weeks for reference.

Next, refusing to admit the lie when being told by the aggrieved party 3,600 times as Dominion did.

Last, being sued and settle for multiple millions of dollars for defamation.

I'll spot you trying to produce the equivalent texts between the parties. Just the above will do.

Chop. Chop.

#55 | Posted by zarnon at 2023-05-23 06:36 AM | Reply

When I can't sleep, as now, I go to the comments section of a site like this and ask a TrumpaLoser for evidence.

I find the sound of crickets very soothing.

#56 | Posted by zarnon at 2023-05-23 06:38 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

There are so many pieces out there ripping Fox "news" to shreds over what they said and how easy it was to check - and how they failed even the basics.

They ramped up the hate over and over again. They used inflammatory language. They made more unfounded charges about wedding guests being kicked out. The Union Times got the names of a few "veterans" from Brian Maher (NY R Assemblyman) that met with these "veterans" and the Union Times immediately did what? CHECKED their NAMES and SPOKE to them where they immediately said they were paid to lie. You know who never bothered to do that? Fox "news" who, instead, stated repeatedly:

"Fox News has confirmed"

When they did no such thing.

This lie was promoted on Fox & Friends, Faulkner Focus, Fox News, and Laura Ingraham, for DAYS. After DAYS of reaping the benefits of stirring up all the hate, poor little laura and her minions finally had to confess "Turns out the group behind the claim made it up. We have no clue why anyone would do such a thing."

Right Laura. Why would anyone do such a thing?

We know why, Laura. It was all in the settlement between Fox News and Dominion Voting Systems. It excites your audience. It feeds the narrative. Your confirmation bias overrode all journalistic basics.

#57 | Posted by YAV at 2023-05-23 08:15 AM | Reply

Oops - It's "Times Union" - not "Union Times."

#58 | Posted by YAV at 2023-05-23 08:16 AM | Reply

People like you claim Fox news lies

It's not a claim...it's a FACT.

I have $878 million reasons why.

#59 | Posted by Nixon at 2023-05-23 09:07 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Your "one side lies constantly and the other side is trustworthy and reliable". Is utter crap. Anyone with a modicum of intelligence and critical thinking skills knows it.

#41 | Posted by Miranda7

That's like saying a cold and AIDs are the same because they're both technically diseases.

Anyone with a modicum of intelligence or critical thinking skills knows one is far worse than the other.

#60 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2023-05-23 12:27 PM | Reply

Left leaning media lie all of the time. They act as PR agents for left-wing activism and the Democratic Party.

Fox News? Yeah, they suck too and are an absolute tire fire right now.

I diversify where I consume my news. I still get news from mainstream outlets but I don't limit myself to that. Not by a long shot.

#44 | Posted by BellRinger

Yet the talking points you parrot are all from the network that just had to pay nearly a billion dollars for lying to their viewers on purpose.

Fox news airs it one day, and you're hear parroting it the next.

Funny how you dont do that with talking points from the left.

#61 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2023-05-23 12:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I don't watch cable news.

Take your insipidness and put it where the sun don't shine.

#62 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-05-23 12:47 PM | Reply

2+2=4

Accurate?

#47 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

That would depend on the context. Obviously. Did you round off any numbers? Also what are you adding together? 2 atoms plus 2 atoms do not always equal 4 other atoms. Especially if you press them together under high pressures and temperatures.

But knowing your posting history I'd be highly suspicious regardless and want to check your sources and verify it with multiple other sources. Obviously.

#63 | Posted by donnerboy at 2023-05-23 12:56 PM | Reply

I don't watch cable news.

Take your insipidness and put it where the sun don't shine.

#62 | Posted by BellRinger

Sure. You just happen to parrot the same talking points that come out of fox news on the same day.

If you're not getting it from fox news, then you and fox news are getting your news from the same propagandists.

#64 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2023-05-23 01:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I don't watch cable news.

You cite lies from right-wing propagandists all the time. Maybe you're not lying. Maybe you're just too stupid to know, after all these years of being wrong and shown to be wrong, to figure out you're being lied to. You cite National Review crap all too often.

The problem with the right-wing propagandist network is they're all in it together. It's hilarious to watch. Take this story - when it broke you could google it and see every right-wing garbage site citing it. No one else. Then other actual NEWS agencies picked it up, checked the sources, and it all blew up. This is a pattern repeated over and over and over with right-wing propagandist outlets. But you don't, you won't learn.

Election was stolen!
No.
Just tourists!
No.
No guns!
No.
Guns aren't the problem!
No.
Making abortion illegal won't hurt women.
Oh hell no.
COVID is a hoax.
No.
Getting vaccinated is harmful.
No.
Drag queens are dangerous!
No.
Teachers are indoctrinating our children to be transexuals!
No.
Teachers are teaching k-3 graders about gender and sex.
No.
on and on and on and on...

Really I should just find the one or two things the right does get correct. If that's even possible.

#65 | Posted by YAV at 2023-05-23 02:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#65 There is a WHOLE lotta straw in that, assuming that list is directed at me.

Also, what about NRO makes it crap? Lemme guess - they create content from a viewpoint that you disagree with.

#66 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-05-23 04:28 PM | Reply

"Election was stolen! - I've never said that or implied it.

Just tourists! - I've never said that or implied it.

No guns!

Guns aren't the problem! - This is really a matter of opinion. A gun ban wouldn't affect me because I don't own any guns. I'm simply realistic about the fact that before a ban were to take place 2A would have to be repealed.

Making abortion illegal won't hurt women. - I think abortion needs to be legal for the first trimester and I've said so on many occasions.

COVID is a hoax. - It clearly is not a hoax.

Getting vaccinated is harmful. - I've taken 3 jabs

Drag queens are dangerous! - Not at all. Drag shows should be age appropriate. That is all.

Teachers are indoctrinating our children to be transexuals! - Anecdotal evidence clearly exists for this claim but I highly suspect these anecdotes are outliers.

Teachers are teaching k-3 graders about gender and sex. - Then why the freak out over "don't say gay"? I'd like to think that teachers aren't teaching k-3 about gender and sex but the freakout was (and remains) massive over a law that prohibits such teaching.

#67 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-05-23 04:34 PM | Reply

"Drag shows should be age appropriate."

What evidence do you have that they are not? Be specific with specific examples.

Are JonBenet's beauty pageants age appropriate?

If so they why aren't grown men dressed the same age appropriate?

#68 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-05-23 05:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#67 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

See jeff this is a perfect example of why you are a trash person, why you have demonstrably zero integrity.

It has been explained to you in detail, repeatedly, how the Don't Say Gay law as written did not apply to K-3 only. Like 20 times.

In excruciating detail.

Yet here you are, once again, lying through your teeth. Do you expect us to have forgotten?

Yet you continue to ignore the real impacts this law has on people. You continue to ignore that the law wasn't explicitly expanded to K-12.

You are scum jeff, your brain is diseased. You are an amoral, unethical bag is dicks.

#69 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-05-23 06:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

COVID is a hoax. - It clearly is not a hoax.
Getting vaccinated is harmful. - I've taken 3 jabs

Why again were you permabanned from the DR?

#70 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-05-23 06:02 PM | Reply

Just tourists! - I've never said that or implied it.

Yet you have stated that the people who violently broke into the capitol were just walking around, now haven't you?

I don't expect an honest answer from you.

#71 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-05-23 06:04 PM | Reply

#71 No. I've said that SOME people walked through an open door (or were even waved through by capitol police) walked around and left. That is a true statement.

Others used violence to gain entry.

#72 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-05-23 06:17 PM | Reply

#71 No. I've said that SOME people walked through an open door (or were even waved through by capitol police) walked around and left. That is a true statement.

Others used violence to gain entry.

#72 | Posted by BellRinger

And a lot of al queda members didn't hijack planes on 9/11. How come no one focuses on them?

#73 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2023-05-23 06:19 PM | Reply

"You continue to ignore that the law wasn't explicitly expanded to K-12."

I made it very clear that I support the K-3 thing but oppose the expansion.

#74 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-05-23 06:19 PM | Reply

After K-3 the original legislation said age appropriate. Once it got expanded to 4-12 the age appropriate thing no longer is in play.

#75 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-05-23 06:22 PM | Reply

"I made it very clear that I support the K-3 thing but oppose the expansion."

Not really.

You never said your State should have it.
You never said it should be enacted at the Federal level.
You're completely silent on the active threat in the other 49 States which only Florida has addressed.

This isn't an issue you believe in.

#76 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-05-23 06:23 PM | Reply

"How come no one focuses on them?"

What do you think the 'war on terror' is about?

#77 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-05-23 06:24 PM | Reply

It's truly amazing how many things get falsely attributed to me. It's like some of you are Pavlovian dogs. You see "Posted by: Bellringer" and immediately start assigning positions to me that I've never taken.

#78 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-05-23 06:26 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

"How come no one focuses on them?"

What do you think the 'war on terror' is about?

#77 | Posted by BellRinger

Republicans electing america's second worst modern president, before they elected the worst modern president

#79 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2023-05-23 06:37 PM | Reply

" You see "Posted by: Bellringer" and immediately start assigning positions to me that I've never taken"

More likely you posted drunk, and now don't remember.

#80 | Posted by Danforth at 2023-05-23 07:08 PM | Reply

After K-3 the original legislation said age appropriate. Once it got expanded to 4-12 the age appropriate thing no longer is in play.

#75 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Jeff you're hopeless.

As has been explained to you ad nauseum, the original law extended to K-12.

In fact, the current "expansion" is simply the Fl BoE interpretation of the law. No new law was passed. the Fl BoE interprets the law so it extends to K-12.

I am sure you will rejoinder with a non-sequitur and another lie

#81 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-05-23 07:19 PM | Reply

What do you think the 'war on terror' is about?

#77 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

The war on terror was sold as a war on extremist muslims and all their supporters and safe havens.

The equivalent group regarding 1/6 would be the insurrectionists including those who used violence and those that walked in walked around and walked out.

Including this woman: lawandcrime.com

see jeff, this woman is the type of person who walked in, walked around and walked out.

#82 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-05-23 07:23 PM | Reply

#78 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

You see jeff, that is the problem with being a lying PoS, you have to remember all of your lies and it takes a lot of memory to remember all of the lies that you have told. In a way you are to be pitied for the struggle you face keeping track of your lies.

That problem is compounded when your philosophy is mean spirited nihilism, because your position (and the lies it fosters) is subject to change on a dime to encompass the worst of human motivations.

#83 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-05-23 07:27 PM | Reply

#81 I said I supported the law as it was originally passed and expose the expansion. How pedantic are you going to try to be?

#84 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-05-23 08:09 PM | Reply

"More likely you posted drunk,"

I don't drunk blog THAT often.

#85 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-05-23 08:09 PM | Reply

Douchey,

It's obvious that you get clobbered in a straight up debate and that's because your use of logic is scant, your arguments are non-linear and you get hyper-emotional when challenged.

This is why you falsely assign positions to me.

#86 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-05-23 08:11 PM | Reply

#84 oppose the expansion

#87 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-05-23 08:12 PM | Reply

#81 I said I supported the law as it was originally passed and expose the expansion. How pedantic are you going to try to be?

#84 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

see, I told you would reply with a non sequitur and a lie.

You are a rare bird who has delusions of mediocrity.

#88 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-05-23 08:34 PM | Reply

That's not a lie, nimrod. I said the same thing. If I got a word or two different the second time around is the best you've got then just cut your losses and go home. This is ridiculous.

#89 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-05-23 08:56 PM | Reply

#84 oppose the expansion

#87 | Posted by BellRinger

Yeah you oppose it so hard that you punish republicans by voting for them.

#90 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2023-05-23 09:06 PM | Reply

#90 I am not a single issue voter and I am realistic enough to know that there are no unicorns in politics. So, I vote big picture. On policy the GOP much more aligns with my views than the Democrat Party. It's not even close. Does that mean I support ALL of their policies or ALL of the things some of them do? Of course not. I criticize them when I disagree with them or think a Republican did or said something stupid. In some cases, Trump specifically, I will just vote 3rd party.

#91 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-05-23 09:10 PM | Reply

So, I vote big picture. On policy the GOP much more aligns with my views than the Democrat Party

You're so deeply ingrained with right-wing -------- you can't even post citing a political party that actually exists.

#92 | Posted by YAV at 2023-05-23 09:21 PM | Reply

#92 Sometimes I truncate the "ic" just to irritate hyper-emotional lefties such as yourself.

#93 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-05-23 09:27 PM | Reply

#91 | Posted by BellRinger

So even when a republican attempted a fascist coup, you wont try your best to keep them out of office, you'll just throw your vote away.

Nearly your entire party is trump's delusional fascist cult now. What have dems done that is so much worse than republicans starting war based on lies or attempting to end democracy, so that it's NOT EVEN CLOSE for you? Giving poor people healthcare? Not being mean enough to trans people?

#94 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2023-05-23 09:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#92 Sometimes I truncate the "ic" just to irritate hyper-emotional lefties such as yourself.

So your post trying to appeal as reasonable was a lie, or you blew up your claim of being "reasonable" by being a snarking asshat, or you got caught with your confirmation bias showing.

#95 | Posted by YAV at 2023-05-23 09:49 PM | Reply

You're proving my point, Yav.

#96 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-05-23 10:39 PM | Reply

Well articulated. Interested in the specific alias' response. Considering how articulate the questions were offered, this alias will not hold its breath waiting for a legitimate response.

Oh well.

#97 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2023-05-23 11:16 PM | Reply

You're proving my point, Yav.

{yawn}

#98 | Posted by YAV at 2023-05-24 08:21 AM | Reply

"Sometimes I truncate the "ic" just to irritate hyper-emotional lefties such as yourself."

Proving once again what a trolling "d..k" some maga maroons can be. ( I truncated the "ic" just to irritate maga maroons such as yourself).

#99 | Posted by donnerboy at 2023-05-24 10:23 AM | Reply