Mark Meadows Flipping on Donald Trump Is 'Game Over' -- Legal Expert

Thursday, May 25, 2023

While sharing a CNN link on Twitter, Goodman tweeted: "If he's cooperating, it's game over." Meadows has long been thought of as a potential key witness in the federal probe looking into Trump's actions in and around January 6 and the former president's attempts to overturn the 2020 Election.

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"If he's cooperating, it's game over."

If he's cooperating, he's terrified of going to prison himself.

#1 | Posted by Zed at 2023-05-25 12:16 PM | Reply

There are plenty of co-conspirators to go around. But just because the Emperor with no clothes listened to his sycophants tell him otherwise didn't mean mirrors are wrong. But Tchum,p like most narcissists, only believes the praise his suck-ups lay on him. Does telling a narcissist what they want to hear make Meadows a co-conspirator?

#2 | Posted by Augustine at 2023-05-25 10:19 PM | Reply

Does telling a narcissist what they want to hear make Meadows a co-conspirator?

#2 | POSTED BY AUGUSTINE

Yes. The "was that wrong?" defense is getting kinda old. These are all adults and ignorance of the law is no excuse.

#3 | Posted by donnerboy at 2023-05-25 10:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Does telling a narcissist what they want to hear make Meadows a co-conspirator?
#2 | POSTED BY AUGUSTINE

In psychological terms, such a person is known as an enabler. Does that equate to a co-conspirator in legal terms? Don't know. Seems like it could/should.

#4 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2023-05-25 10:44 PM | Reply

Hi Gal & Donner, agree with you both. But go back to the childhood story of the King With No Clothes. Sure every child thinks that the kid who told the emperor he was naked was heroic. But it also showed how many adults and powerful were afraid to tell the truth to power.

Now, in Meadows case, history WILL show he was complicit, and perhaps even a co-conspirator. But isn't it better to give Meadows immunity and for the real kingpin to get the jab?

#5 | Posted by Augustine at 2023-05-25 11:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Sure every child thinks that the kid who told the emperor he was naked was heroic."

Except that never works in real life. Nobody treats you like a hero when you point out their mistake.

#6 | Posted by Danforth at 2023-05-25 11:14 PM | Reply

If Mark Meadows really does flip on Trump fat Donnie is f*****

#7 | Posted by Tor at 2023-05-25 11:38 PM | Reply

For what it's worth:

Meadowes' chief aide, Cassidy Hutchinson, testified that Meadows tried to talk Trump down on January 6. When she asked her boss why he didn't do more, Meadows replied "He [Trump] thinks he's doing right."

I'm just saying, if Meadows tried his best and failed, (as in running into a brick wall) how can he be a co-conspirator?

#8 | Posted by Twinpac at 2023-05-26 04:38 AM | Reply

Maybe if I was Meadows I would have "slipped a "mickey" into Trump's Diet Coke, waited for him to pass out and

#1 called 911

#2 called the Vice President to act as pro tem

#9 | Posted by Twinpac at 2023-05-26 06:49 AM | Reply

IMHO, If Meadows coordinated with Proud Boys and the Oaf Keepers, et al, to bring violence to bear on January 6th, he is for certain a CO conspirator.

#10 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2023-05-26 09:02 AM | Reply

"I'm just saying, if Meadows tried his best and failed, (as in running into a brick wall) how can he be a co-conspirator?"

Depends on what he did before and after this alleged attack of conscience occurred. Did he continue to do as he was ordered in spite of his reservations? If he thought the president was doing something illegal, did he try to bring this to anybody else's attention?

#11 | Posted by Hagbard_celine at 2023-05-26 09:16 AM | Reply

HAGBARD

Apparently the Vice President made an effort. At least he tried to call the Pentagon AND the National Guard and they both flipped him off. The same thing happened with Pelosi and the Mayor of D.C.

Nobody would budge without orders from Trump.

Finally, the Maryland Nation Guard showed up . . . after it was all over.

It was hours before Trump showed and told the insurrections how special they were, but they really needed to go home.

I'm not saying there are things we don't know but you tell me, what Meadows was supposed to do in the face of all that.

#12 | Posted by Twinpac at 2023-05-26 09:37 AM | Reply

"Apparently the Vice President made an effort. At least he tried to call the Pentagon AND the National Guard and they both flipped him off. The same thing happened with Pelosi and the Mayor of D.C. Nobody would budge without orders from Trump."

Meadows should have gone to the news then. But no, he just continued to do his job. I'm not addressing Pelosi because this is about Meadows.

#13 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2023-05-26 09:50 AM | Reply

HAGBARD

The "news" was already there. The place was swarming with news coverage.

#14 | Posted by Twinpac at 2023-05-26 11:20 AM | Reply

"The "news" was already there. The place was swarming with news coverage."

If he had quit and went straight to the press that would have been significant enough for me to consider his current defense sympathetically. He didn't, he continued to participate.

#15 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2023-05-26 12:29 PM | Reply

I'm just saying, if Meadows tried his best and failed, (as in running into a brick wall) how can he be a co-conspirator?
#8 | POSTED BY TWINPAC

IF he tried his best. That's a big IF. And then there is what you do after a crime is committed and you know all about it because you were involved in it.

Normally one would eagerly assist law enforcement or investigators if one "did their best" and can prove it.

#16 | Posted by donnerboy at 2023-05-26 12:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#6 | Posted by Danforth

In circles of power with narcissists and sociopaths I agree. If you work for me you get praise.

#17 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2023-05-26 01:19 PM | Reply

DONNER @ #16

"Normally one would eagerly assist law enforcement or investigators if one "did their best" and can prove it."

Normally, yes. But in Trump's administration, nothing was normal. Meadows didn't have the authority to speak for the President who was yucking it up in his dining room enjoying the show on TV.

Apparently, neither did anybody else have the authority to usurp the President.

As for "doing his best" I recall Meadows saying that he approached the President in the Oval Office so many times, with the same results, that it was useless to continuing asking.

#18 | Posted by Twinpac at 2023-05-27 05:28 AM | Reply

Why are you defending Mark Meadows? What benefit exists in minimizing his culpability?

#19 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2023-05-27 09:17 AM | Reply

HAGBARD

Innocent until proven guilty. Remember that?

I just don't see any evidence that Meadows was a co-conspirator. And nobody has testified anything to implicate him in January 6. If something turns up differently, I'll blast him out of the water.

Right now, my impression is he's talking (BIG TIME) to Jack Smith and trying to avoid being sucked in as one of Trump's scapegoats.

When this J-6 case goes to trial, you can bet that Trump will scapegoat everybody he can think of to get himself off the hook.

#20 | Posted by Twinpac at 2023-05-27 10:56 AM | Reply

"I just don't see any evidence that Meadows was a co-conspirator."

That doesn't even come close to being believable. Mark Meadows was in the room at every stage. He was the person tasked with executing the expression of Presidential will. How TF do you think a chief of staff is not directly involved at the highest level? Especially given he didn't quit his job and run straight to the press?

#21 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2023-05-27 12:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

HAGBARD

A lot of people were in the room, including attorneys. Why didn't they quit their jobs and run straight to the press, some of whom are targets of Jack Smith's investigation right now.

I don't see Meadows name on that list. Maybe that's because he's a WITNESS . . . not a target.

The bottom line is I'm not going to rush to judgment and that's final.

#22 | Posted by Twinpac at 2023-05-27 02:35 PM | Reply