David Charles Grusch is a former intelligence official and whistleblower who testified in the UAP hearings in Congress. He is 36 years old and a decorated former combat officer in Afghanistan. He is a veteran of the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA) and the National Reconnaissance Office (NRO). From 2019-2021, he served as the reconnaissance office's representative to the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force. From late 2021 to July 2022, he was the NGA's co-lead for UAP analysis and its representative to the task force. Grusch left the government on April 7, 2023, in order to advance government accountability through public awareness. He remains well-supported within intelligence circles, and numerous sources have vouched for his credibility. Grusch has made several bombshell claims, including the assertion that the U.S. government has retrieved craft and bodies of non-human origin. He also claims that there has been a government cover-up going back nearly a century.

He testified to Congress today that: "In 2019, the UAP taskforce director asked me to identify all special access programs and controlled access programs, also known as SAPs and CAPs -- we needed to satisfy our congressionally mandated mission, and we directly reported at the time to [Secretary of Defense]. At the time, due to my extensive executive-level intelligence support duties, I was cleared to literally all relevant compartments, in a position of complete trust, both in my military and civilian capacities. I was informed, in the course of my official duties, of a multi-decade UAP crash retrieval and reverse-engineering program. To which I was denied access to additional read-on when I requested it. I made the decision based on the data I had collected to report this information to my superiors and multiple inspectors general -- and, in effect, becoming a whistleblower. As you know, I've suffered retaliation for my decision, but I'm hopeful my actions will ultimately lead to a positive outcome of increased transparency."

Commander David Fravor, a former Navy pilot, testified that he, along with Lt. Cmdr. Alex Dietrich, witnessed an unidentified aerial phenomenon (UAP) while flying over the Pacific Ocean in November 2004. During their training exercise, Fravor and Dietrich were diverted to investigate the anomalous object and saw a "little white Tic-Tac-looking object" moving above the whitewater area. Fravor described the object as having "no predictable movement, no predictable trajectory." The object was also reported to have been able to accelerate and maneuver in ways that were beyond the capabilities of known aircraft.

"...The tic-tac object we engaged in 2004 was far superior to anything we had at that time, have today, or looking to develop in the next ten years. If we, in fact, have programs that possess this technology, it needs to have oversight from those people that the citizens of this great country elected into office to represent what is best for the United States and best for the citizens. Thank you."

Fravor's testimony is significant because it provides firsthand accounts of UAP sightings by military personnel, which adds credibility to the phenomenon.

Ryan Graves is a former Navy F/A-18F pilot and T-45C Goshawk instructor pilot. He is also the Executive Director of Americans for Safe Aerospace. Graves testified at the UAP hearings in Congress on July 26, 2023:

"After upgrades were made to our jets' radar systems, we began detecting unknown objects operating in our airspace. At first, we assumed they were radar errors, but soon we began to correlate the radar track with multiple onboard sensors, including infrared systems and eventually through visual [identification]. During a training mission in Warning Area - Whiskey 72, ten miles off the coast of Virginia Beach, two F-18 Superhornets were split by a UAP. The object, described as a dark-grey or black cube inside of a clear sphere came within 50 feet of the lead aircraft and was estimated to be between five and fifteen feet in diameter. The mission commander terminated the flight immediately and returned to base. Our squadron submitted a safety report, but there was no official acknowledgment of the incident and no further mechanism to report the sightings. Soon, these encounters became so frequent that the aircrew would discuss the risk of UAP as part of their regular pre-flight [briefings]. Recognizing the need for action and answers, I founded [the group] Americans for Safe Aerospace. The organization has since become a haven for UAP witnesses who were previously unspoken due to the absence of a safe intake process. More than 30 witnesses have come forward and almost 5,000 Americans have joined us in the fight for transparency at safeaerospace.org. The majority of witnesses are commercial pilots at major airlines. Often, they are veterans with decades of flying experience. Pilots are reporting UAPs at altitudes that appear above them at 40,000 feet, [and] potentially in low-Earth orbit or in the grey zone below the Karman line -- making unexplainable maneuvers like right-hand turns and retrograde orbits or J-hooks. Sometimes, these reports are reoccurring with numerous recent sightings above Hawaii and in the Northern Atlantic. Other veterans are also coming forward to us to report UAP encounters in our airspace and oceans. The most compelling involve observations of UAP by multiple witnesses and sensor systems. I believe these accounts are only scratching the surface and more [pilots and witnesses] will share their experiences once it's safe to do so. In closing, I recognize the skepticism surrounding this topic. If everyone could see the sensor data I witnessed, our national conversation would change. I urge us to put aside stigma and address the security and safety issue this topic represents. If UAP are foreign drones, it [poses] an urgent national security problem. If it is something else, it's an issue for science. In either case, unidentified objects are a concern for flight safety. The American people deserve to know what is happening in our skies -- it is long overdue. Thank you."

Is there evidence these UAPs pose a threat to our operations?
#8 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

I suppose the thought process is that anything that is unaccounted for (i.e., unidentified) in training areas would pose a risk just as wayward commercial flights entering training spaces unexpectedly would pose risks.

Also:

John Kirby, the coordinator for Strategic Communications at the National Security Council, made [comments] on Monday in response to a reporter who asked about UAP (unidentified anomalous phenomena) transparency.

"Some of these phenomena, we know, have already had an impact on our training ranges for " you know, when pilots are out trying to do training in the air and they see these things, they're not sure what they are, and it can have an impact on their ability to perfect their skills," Kirby said.

So there's also a risk that these things could impact pilots' training.

#12 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Why are you so averse to having a conversation about this? What's with the unnecessary attacks?

We now they've been here for a long time and don't seem to care about us. Their intentions do not seem to pose any problem.
#13 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

They certainly care about us. What makes you think they don't? Because they're not shooting our aircraft out of the sky?

That's ridiculous and I truly hope you know it.

Or is that what you mean...
#22 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

I mean:

There have been witnesses who have testified to the fact that UAPs have appeared over nuclear missile silos in the United States:

- Former U.S. Air Force personnel reportedly told the Pentagon about their encounters with UFOs back in the 1960s. The officers say the 60s-era UFOs supposedly turned off nuclear warheads.
- Luis Elizondo, former director of the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP), said UAPs have been observed at U.S. nuclear sites as well as at sites all over the globe.

#23 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Your initial scrutiny was primarily aimed at the term "risk."

This is the particular issue I was tackling. It is immaterial whether you or I assign any risk status to them. What truly matters is the perception of the military or the Pentagon. If anything, they undeniably view them as a risk, even if it's merely a risk that could cast doubt on the military's authority, given the conspicuous lack of absolute control over U.S. airspace.

These unidentified objects have been entering and exiting U.S. airspace with impunity.

As for being a threat, the military's assessment likely concludes that they do not pose one... at least for now. And you, above all, understand that the military tends to classify scenarios involving most anything as harmless until they prove otherwise.

Of all aspects to underscore in this scenario, why is your attention seemingly anchored on the notions of risk and threat? Don't you find the mere acknowledgment by the government that these crafts exist, and that observers over the years aren't deluded or simply witnessing common atmospheric phenomena, to be of any significance?

And to your point about Japan's perception of America's nuclear weapons: The Japanese have a decent and practical understanding of America's intent in terms of international relations. There's not a human on this planet who has an understanding of what is controlling these craft, let alone their intent.

Intergalactic visitors, interdimensional tourists, time travelers studying what was happening before "the big event"?

Apples and oranges, you're looking to compare.

That's a far cry from a dozen spacecraft with bodies inside.
#5 | POSTED BY LEGALLYYOURDEAD

Witness at UFO Hearing Testifies Under Oath Non-Human' Bodies Have Been Recovered by Gov't From Crashed Crafts

Mace asked Grusch if he believes "our government has made contact with intelligent extraterrestrials," to which he replied that was something he can't discuss in "a public setting."

Mace then asked whether he believes "we have the bodies of the pilots who piloted" crashed crafts that are in possession of the government.

"As I've stated publicly already in my NewsNation interview, Biologics came with some of these recoveries. Yeah," said Grusch.

Mace then asked if those biologics were "human or non-human."

#28 | POSTED BY ZED

If true, he's risking a lot.

Oh well.

#30 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

What makes you think I'm afraid? I'm just explaining certain thought processes. I don't think they are hostile, even though there have been one or two reports that they have been. Even if true, it's just not enough to move the needle for me in the general direction of hostility.

I can also understand the line of thinking that they're biding their time for some reason we can't even fathom. If it took light years for them to get here, maybe they're playing the long game. I don't know; I also never claimed to have all the answers. I just have an understanding of different reasonings, one of which -- the one you provide here -- I absolutely understand. But, again, it doesn't matter what I think. What matters is what does the military think. And they, of course, will think that anything they can't catch or kill will be inherently a threat, and they'd be taking a risk not considering it as such.

If these are truly aliens, it would be highly unwise to try and fight them. By being here, they have already demonstrated technology beyond our capabilities.
#34 | POSTED BY BBQ

Absolutely agree.

Grusch, the whistleblower, said some of the craft were "football field size" and told le Parisien, a French newspaper, that the US had possession of a "bell-like craft" which Benito Mussolini's government had recovered in northern Italy in 1933. The potential tie to the Axis Powers?

The existence of Hitler's Bell, also known as Die Glocke, is a subject of debate and speculation. While there are claims and conspiracy theories surrounding its existence, there is limited concrete evidence to support its actual existence. Here is an overview of the available information:

Conspiracy Theories and Claims:
Some conspiracy theories suggest that Hitler's Bell was a top-secret Nazi project aimed at developing advanced technologies, including anti-gravity propulsion systems or time-travel capabilities.
According to these theories, Die Glocke was allegedly developed by Nazi scientists and was intended to be a revolutionary weapon to turn the tide of World War II.
The conspiracy theories often link Die Glocke to UFO sightings and crashes, such as the Kecksburg incident in Pennsylvania.

Lack of Concrete Evidence:
There is a lack of verifiable evidence to support the existence of Hitler's Bell. The available information is largely based on speculation, rumors, and unverified accounts.
The scientific community generally dismisses the claims of Nazi UFOs and advanced technologies as unfounded and lacking credible evidence.
The majority of historians believe that Hitler died by suicide in his Berlin bunker in 1945, and there is no conclusive evidence linking him to the development of advanced UFO-like technologies.

Historical Context:
During World War II, Nazi Germany did have an interest in developing advanced aircraft and weaponry, including experimental projects such as the Horten flying wing and the V-2 rocket.

However, the specific existence and capabilities of Hitler's Bell remain unproven and are considered speculative.

Which is why I say they're not a threat. They're not hostile.
#37 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

I get it. But you don't seem to 'get' why the military considers them a threat, which is curious.

Doesn't mean they're right.
#42 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Never said they did. In fact, you called me something akin to a scared robin when you should have been referring to the military as such. Time for a retraction, wouldn't you say?

*Never said they're (right).

#45 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

I recognize the guy, but not that context.

go ahead keep looking into these alien space ships.
#43 | POSTED BY TOR

Been doing that for the better part of 30 years. Certainly don't need your permission to continue. LOL

It sure reads like you planted the seed of fear of the unknown and are watering it.
#47 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

It's the truth and it's the perspective of the military, explaining THEIR fear.

I do not fear this phenomenon. Telling you were unable to grasp that from my other posts. Do you spend a significant of your time paying attention and discussing things that you fear? If so, I guess we're not on the same page with that.

#50 | POSTED BY TOR

It's so weird how people with your perspective consistently bring up Elvis when this topic is raised. So stale.

Holy ------- ---- how hard is this?
#53 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Please point out where I agreed with the military. That should be really ------- simple. Yet here you are scrambling to take my words out of context.

Its all tabloid fodder.
#55 | POSTED BY TOR

You have to admit it's unprecedented tabloid fodder.

occum's razor dictates there's a much simpler answer than aliens.
#59 | POSTED BY TOR

What's your answer? I'm leaning toward interdimensional drones.

#62 | POSTED BY TRES_FLECHAS

We can walk and chew gum at the same time, apparently, unlike you.

Where do you think a sizable portion of the missing billions of dollars ended up? If the whistleblower's testimony is true, there's a damn good chance a significant portion of that missing money went into these craft retrieval and reverse engineering programs that are currently lacking congressional oversight.

But this is your concern.......
#63 | POSTED BY TRES_FLECHAS

It's part of the conversation. If you were actually paying attention, you wouldn't make a fool out of yourself like you just did here.

Whoops!

Congress is hanging on the words of a loon who is trying to get a book deal.
#64 | POSTED BY TRES_FLECHAS

Three individuals testified, each with far more credibility than you have. Again, context you'd know if you were actually paying attention. You probably ignored the first few posts on this very thread.

Keep your head in the sand; you clearly enjoy your willful ignorance.

Swallow it.

A con artist GS-15 who supervised top level programs and went to the IG for whistleblower purposes?
If he's a con artist then you should likely cheer on the IG to discover fraud, waste, and abuse of government funds as part of their work on this matter
#65 | POSTED BY GONOLES92

Exactly this.

Show me the verifiable, reliable peer reviewed scientific evidence.
#72 | POSTED BY MODER8

Can't do that without the unprecedented steps like those taken yesterday. Has the taboo been broken for you? Because there are only two legitimate scientists I know of that have taken on legitimate scientific investigation of this phenomenon. Most scientists refuse to even consider investigating for fear of ostracization in their fields' communities.

IOW, more hearings with whistleblowers and testimony in front of congress is necessary before these communities will allow scientists to actually investigate.

See how that works?

#80 | POSTED BY MODER8

Way to dodge a perfectly relevant question. Unless you've acquiesced to my point presented in #73, of course, and just don't want to admit it. LOL

#75 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

This would be a good time to start paying attention again, considering the unprecedented congressional hearing that took place yesterday.

You got a reversed-engineered saucer? Trot it out.
#76 | POSTED BY ZED

No patience, eh? Can't have a conversation about the topic without tangible proof?

Okay, go back to your nap. We'll wake you when the conversation is up to your standard. But it would be appreciated if you acknowledged how unprecedented this step is within the overall conversation.

The slow drip of disclosure could very well be a well-thought-out strategy. Here are some possible reasons as to why:

1. Avoiding Panic: A sudden reveal that UAPs are extraterrestrial visitors could cause widespread panic and fear among the public. By slowly disclosing information about UAPs, society can become more accustomed to the idea of their existence and be better prepared to handle the implications of their potential origins.

2. National Security: The U.S. government is responsible for protecting national security interests, and disclosing sensitive information about UAPs could compromise these interests. By slowly disclosing information, the government can carefully manage the release of information to minimize any potential risks.
3. Scientific Advancement: By slowly disclosing information about UAPs, scientists, and researchers can have more time to study and analyze the phenomena, which could lead to significant scientific advancements. A slow drip of disclosure could also encourage more scientists to study the phenomena and contribute to our understanding of the universe.
4. Public Acceptance: By slowly disclosing information about UAPs, society can become more accepting of the idea that we are not alone in the universe. This could lead to a greater appreciation for the diversity of life in the universe and a more open-minded approach to scientific discovery.

Overall, a slow drip of disclosure about the UAP topic benefits society because it allows for a more measured and thoughtful approach to understanding the phenomena. It also allows for greater scientific advancement and public acceptance of the idea that we are not alone in the universe.

Y'all demanding immediate disclosure could be playing with fire.

There has yet to be a disgruntled scientist who took alien Tech home with him.
#88 | POSTED BY TOR

Bob Lazar has entered the chat. LOL

Well, you see, ladies and gentlemen, this whole idea of aliens, UFOs, or as the buzz-word-loving bigwigs at the Pentagon now call them - UAPs, being slowly disclosed is a real kicker. Let's think about it. We can't even handle our neighbor's dog pooping on our lawn without calling the homeowner's association. Now imagine someone comes on the six o'clock news and says, "Folks, guess what, aliens are real, they've been visiting us since 1930, and they think our reality TV shows are high art!" You think toilet paper disappears fast during a pandemic? Wait till you see the run on aluminum foil for homemade hats!

And let's not forget about the wonderful world of science. These folks have spent their lives studying, researching, theorizing, and whatnot, only to find out that some gray-skinned guys from another galaxy already have the tech they're busting their brains to invent! Can you imagine? It's like spending your whole life trying to invent the perfect burger, then some alien just strolls in with a plate of interstellar filet mignon. It's a tough blow to the ego, folks! So, drip-feed those poor scientists the truth, give them time to update their resumes, maybe get a gig as a consultant on a sci-fi flick.

And you know what's the funniest part? The great irony of this grand cosmic circus? We've spent centuries arguing about whether we're alone in the universe, when we can't even agree on pineapple on pizza! Our species has mastered the art of disagreeing. We could probably start a fight in an empty room. So, I tell you, when the slow disclosure finally hits the point of "Yes, extraterrestrials are real, and they've been around for a while," someone, somewhere will still insist, "Yeah, but are they REALLY real?" Maybe the government isn't so worried about mass panic or scientific revolutions. Maybe they're just trying to avoid the cosmic-level Twitter flame war that would inevitably ensue. Because believe me, folks, the real unidentified flying objects then would be the insults hurled around on social media!

evidence that he's not just a weirdo.
#93 | POSTED BY TOR

I threw it out there as a joke. Calmate, chingon.

The notion that an alien species, capable of interstellar space travel, would be playing hide 'n' seek in our atmosphere, is completely absurd.
#95 | POSTED BY ANGRYDAD

See SNOOFY, this is emblematic of fear.

I'm going to guess that object is being obstructed by something like rings but there is a hole in them.
#98 | POSTED BY TOR

Or maybe a Dyson sphere.

#99 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

At least it wasn't another stale Elvis reference. LOL

Fear of what, you reckon?
#103 | POSTED BY ANGRYDAD

"Them," of course.

Don't bother Earth Muse for some people belief that aliens have visited Earth is their religion.
#111 | POSTED BY TOR

Who exactly are you referring to?

It may not be as difficult to traverse space and time as we think it is right now.
#149 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

Our understanding of the universe and its operations is relatively limited. It has been hypothesized that if you can manipulate space, you can also manipulate time to a degree.

Einstein's theory of general relativity presents a four-dimensional space-time fabric in which objects with mass or energy cause a distortion. This distortion creates what we perceive as gravity. If one could create a craft capable of significantly warping this space-time fabric, it could theoretically create a shortcut between two points. This is often illustrated as a sheet of paper: if you draw two points on one side of the paper and then fold the paper over, the two points are now much closer together.

This theoretical shortcut is commonly referred to as a "wormhole." If a craft could create and stabilize a wormhole, it could jump between vast distances instantaneously, seemingly bypassing the speed of light limit established by Einstein's theory of special relativity.

Another concept related to manipulating time and space is the idea of a "warp drive," which again is purely theoretical. Mexican physicist Miguel Alcubierre first proposed the concept, and it involves a spacecraft creating a bubble of space-time that contracts space in front of it and expands space behind it. Inside this bubble, the spacecraft would be stationary relative to the space immediately around it but could effectively move faster than light relative to the space outside the bubble.

As fascinating as they are, both of these concepts face significant challenges. Creating and stabilizing wormholes or a warp drive would require a type of exotic matter with negative energy density or pressure, something that we're not sure even exists. Additionally, the amounts of energy required would likely be astronomically high, far beyond anything currently achievable.

A Type II civilization on the Kardashev scale can harness and control the total energy output of its host star (the human civilization is estimated to be 0.7 on this scale). This includes all the radiation the star emits and could potentially involve constructions like a Dyson Sphere, a hypothetical megastructure completely encapsulating a star to capture its energy output.

Possessing such a vast amount of energy would mean a Type II civilization has made significant technological advancements beyond our current understanding. With the power equivalent to the output of an entire star, they might theoretically have the resources necessary to experiment with the extreme energy requirements associated with manipulating space-time, such as for creating wormholes or a warp drive.

Wormholes, if they can exist, are predicted to be incredibly unstable, collapsing instantly unless held open by some form of "exotic" matter or energy with negative density or pressure. While this is purely theoretical, and such matter or energy has not been definitively proven to exist, a Type II civilization might have the technological sophistication to either discover or create it.

The concept of a warp drive involves warping space-time in such a way that space behind a spacecraft expands while space in front of it contracts, allowing the craft to traverse vast distances quickly. While not violating Einstein's theory of relativity, this concept would require a similar level of technological sophistication and understanding of physics as would be necessary for stabilizing wormholes.

The abilities of a Type II civilization to experiment with these concepts could potentially extend to exploring parallel universes, if such universes exist, as their high-energy physics might allow them to probe dimensions beyond our own.

Wasn't there an aussie kid with autism who 20 years ago hacked into the pentagon's computer network looking for evidence of aliens and after checking it top to bottom found nothing?
#154 | POSTED BY TOR

Don't know about an Aussie kid, but Gary McKinnon (Scottish) was accused in 2002 of perpetrating the "biggest military computer hack of all time",[2] although McKinnon himself states that he was merely looking for evidence of free energy suppression and a cover-up of UFO activity and other technologies potentially useful to the public. On 16 October 2012, after a series of legal proceedings in Britain, then Home Secretary Theresa May blocked extradition to the United States.

McKinnon has admitted in many public statements that he obtained unauthorized access to computer systems in the United States including those mentioned in the United States indictment. He states his motivation, drawn from a statement made before the Washington Press Club on 9 May 2001 by the Disclosure Project, was to find evidence of UFOs, antigravity technology, and the suppression of "free energy", all of which he states to have proven through his actions.[36][37]

In an interview televised on the BBC's Click programme,[38] he stated of the Disclosure Project that "they are some very credible, relied-upon people, all saying yes, there is UFO technology, there's anti-gravity, there's free energy, and it's extraterrestrial in origin and [they've] captured spacecraft and reverse engineered it."

He said he investigated a NASA photographic expert's claim that at the Johnson Space Center's Building 8, images were regularly cleaned of evidence of UFO craft, and confirmed this, comparing the raw originals with the "processed" images. He stated to have viewed a detailed image of "something not man-made" and "cigar shaped" floating above the northern hemisphere, and assuming his viewing would be undisrupted owing to the hour, he did not think of capturing the image because he was "bedazzled", and therefore did not think of securing it with the screen capture function in the software at the point when his connection was interrupted.[39]

#158 | POSTED BY MODER8

The James Webb Space Telescope (JWST) has made several recent discoveries about the early universe, challenging prevailing models and providing new insights into the formation of galaxies and stars. Here are some of the most recent discoveries made by the JWST:

I very distinctly remember teenager who was on the autistic spectrum and in Australia. The guy you brought up is interesting of course but he doesn't seem to claim to have gotten any proof of aliens from his hacking.
#160 | POSTED BY TOR

No, he didn't obtain any proof, which is clearly laid out in #157. He did claim to see proof without making copies of said proof.

Worse, there is no indication that an autistic teenager from Australia hacked US government computers in search of evidence of UFOs, other than Gary McKinnon, who is from the UK. My search results only mention Gary McKinnon as the individual who hacked into US government computers in search of evidence of UFOs. McKinnon was diagnosed with Asperger's syndrome, a form of autism, and his lawyers argued that he was at risk of suicide if extradited to the US. The case of Gary McKinnon is a notable example of a hacker searching for evidence of UFOs and extraterrestrial life, but there is no mention of any other individuals, including any autistic teenagers from Australia, who have done so in the available search results.

Maybe your search results will be more successful. Maybe not. We don't know until you put in some effort.

#162 | POSTED BY TOR

So with that said, and now that you know the actual context of his story, are you still comfortable acknowledging his story as a means to back your perspective -- as you seemed to attempt in your #154?

Letter sent to Speaker McCarthy from Burchett, Gaetz, Luna, and Moskowitz requesting a select committee on UAPs.

Speaker McCarthy:

Yesterday, under oath and before the House Oversight and Accountability Committee, Mr David Grusch, an Air Force veteran and 14-year intelligence officer, testified that the Pentagon has been keeping Congress in the dark concerning "Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena" or UAPs. Historically UAPs have been called by other names - "unidentified flying objects" or UFOs in particular - but despite the changing alphabet soup, our concern and the concern of our constituents remain constant.

Mr. Speaker, we ask that you immediately establish a Select Committee, outside the jurisdiction of any standing committee, and with subpoena authority, to go about the task of collecting information from the Pentagon and elsewhere for the benefit of the public and to discharge constitutional, legislative and oversight roles.

This issue is much bigger than the news cycle: it represents a confluence of concerning governmental actions that indicates a lack of forthrightness on the part of the Pentagon and the intelligence community. No governmental program, no matter how sensitive, can be outside the view of Congress. And yet, the Executive Branch routinely redacts and entirely withholds information in other domains that we are entitled to, and is doing so here.

By establishing a Select Committee to investigate the United States government's responses to UAPs, the 118th Congress will have an opportunity to work through more significant issues of government oversight (including lack of budget transparency, overclassification, and unwillingness to respond to Congressional oversight), on a discrete issue that is readily understandable by the public, and which is of grave concern to our nation.

Demonstrates you have minds of your own.
#165 | POSTED BY MIRANDA7

So glad you learned something that broke through your bias.

Aliens traveling millions of lightyears with vastly superior technology somehow manage to crash on Earth more per capita than our own airline industry?
#167 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

Can you be more specific with the data you're questioning?

Rep. Nancy Mace (R-SC) joined Steve Bannon his far-right podcast on Friday and offered her take on the recent House hearing in which a witness told her the U.S. has recovered "non-human" bodies from UAPs (Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena).

"The guy basically answered your question by saying there was what, a nonbiologic entity, non-human biologic, that was the driver of the alien craft, did he not?" Bannon asked Mace.

"Right. And I was speechless when I asked that question. And then how do you come back from that? What do you what do you ask or say when somebody says that. It's one thing for him to go on and do an interview in the media, but this is a former intelligence officer, a retired colonel, and someone who under oath has to answer our questions," Mace replied, referring to David Grusch's testimony, adding:

"So he's made these statements, defining statements, defining moments in the history of Congress under oath. And I was I was speechless. I didn't know, I didn't even know what to ask at that point. But I was like human or non-human, I guess, is the next logical question. And he answered it. But it's very important. Number one, we're getting we're getting that list of names and agencies from him. I think that's really important as a next step on what private contractors have been involved in."

"And it's not about little green men," Mace replied, adding:

"That's not what this is about. This is about the government. And you can't trust the government or institutions if they're willing to hide information from you. You deserve the right to know what assets we have. The Congress also we have the right to know, the people have the right to know. And this is a much bigger issue than little green men. This is about the misappropriation of your tax dollars are funding. Where is it going? Who's paying for it? How much is it and whose pocket is it in? This is about technology. This is about national security. This is about, you know, is non-human? What does that mean? Are we that advanced with AI?"

#172 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Just how do you suppose we get to the point where we get to see actual verifiable Smoking Tentacle other than the current approach?

At this point, claims aren't enough. We need tangible evidence.
#174 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Enough for what?

Aliens traveling millions of lightyears with vastly superior technology somehow manage to crash on Earth more per capita than our own airline industry?
#167 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

The number of airplane crashes in the United States varies from year to year. In 2021, there were 1,225 accidents involving a U.S. registered civilian aircraft, and the number of civil aviation deaths increased from 349 in 2020 to 376 in 2021. The National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) has records of every reportable accident since 2008, and according to their database, there were over 13,000 accidents with at least one issue pertaining to personnel. The FAA also provides statistics on the safety record of U.S. airlines performing scheduled services worldwide, from 2000 to present, as recorded by NTSB. In 2020, there were 10 accidents and 0 fatalities.

There are also several websites that provide general statistics on airplane crashes. According to flyfright.com, between 2015 and 2020, commercial US air carriers had a total of 176 total accidents and 111 total injuries. Another website, thehivelaw.com, reports that there are 1,268 plane crashes per year in the US and 4,876 plane crashes per year globally.

Grusch has suggested that the US government has retrieved at least 12 UAP craft that had crashed. Of the total of 12,618 sightings reported to Project Blue Book, 701 remained "unidentified," which is approximately 5.6% of the total sightings. Assuming 5.6% were actually NHI-controlled craft, it's more than likely that less than 12 of those crashed and were recovered, since Project Blue Book ended in 1969.

Doesn't really mean anything, but there's also been rumors that the government devised a means of bringing these craft down. That was not, however, part of the whistleblower's testimony. Simple speculation.

Words aren't enough to prove it's real.
#177 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Did someone suggest they should be?

#181 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

I wasn't aware we were discussing other contexts.